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"India far better side than Pakistan in Test cricket" : Saurav Ganguly

Napa said:
Pakistan's performance in Aus and NZ will answer a lot of questions.
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It certainly won't prove that India is 'far better' than Pakistan, just as Pakistan's performance in England didn't prove that they're a 'far better' team than India (overall).
 
Napa said:
The point was that if playing in a Test makes Yasir a better bowler then he should simply bowl as if he is bowling in a Test and not an ODI. Can't do worse than 8-0-60-0.

In Tests compared to ODIs the average runs scored by batsmen increase whereas their strike rate goes down. So Yasir is supposed to get at least a few wickets in an ODI while conceding 60 runs if he is really a threat as a bowler.
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:facepalm:

Test and ODIs are vastly different, as a spinner in test, you want to flight the ball and spin it, in ODIs you'd want to bowl flatter and more straight. You don't need to be smart to know that different formats require different strategies:facepalm:

So by saying this you're saying that Yasir is not a good test bowler?? Joke of the century:))
 
Each side will blow their horn .... nothing new here .... just a way to get your name in the print !!!
 
What a clown! Probably still bitter that he was on the receiving end against Pakistan so many times during his career.

I have zero respect for this guy. PAKISTAN ZINDABAD! GH! FDI!
 
Very surgical kind of comment from gangluly. why don't you play Pakistan and find out. no point beating your chest behind closed doors.

Maybe he's forgotten about all those rib bones of his Akthar broke.
 
All Ganguly did was express an opinion.And he's right .. a lot of people around the world were suprised when Pakistan became no.1 after the England series.I know I was.
 
Think Ganguly is being too emotional here and letting the recent political tension between India and Pakistan clout his feelings and judgment. Granted Pakistan isn't exactly the best test team in the world irrespective of ranking but neither is India too be honest. In fact both India and Pakistan don't even deserve the top 3 ranking in test cricket. Both team's are very suspect generally in conditions outside the subcontinent i.e. Australia, England, South Africa, New Zealand e.t.c.

Pakistan benefited from flat pitches in England this series, there was not a single green top and still we lost 2 test matches, which i feel is not really ideal. But there is no way that India is better than Pakistan in test cricket. Not a chance, both teams are pretty even in test cricket in my view.
 
Seems like Dada got patriotic. I'm sure he could not have said that Pakistan are a better team, especially in this situation, but could have said both are top teams or India are better or sth like that.

Anyway Pakistan are a better and more experienced team. India might win the low scoring matches (greentops and rank turners) but Pakistan will win on standard pitches because they apply themselves for a longer time. They play proper old school cricket and do none of this throwing the wicket away stuff. All of their batsmen play attritional cricket better than anyone else, might not be attractive but super effective. Only Pujara can do that in our team. After the experienced men in Younis and Misbah retire, then it's up for grabs.
 
Being an Indian and an avid cricket fan who follows every country ...i would say Pakistan is better test team at the moment.... May be after you Is and mishbah gone that's a different story.... Dada has only seen limited overs team.... so his outlook is limited...
 
Napa said:
It is unfair, but life isn't fair :(

Anyway, if the Pakistani batting succumbs to Indian bowling consistently in LOIs, and if Yasir gets hammered, takes no wickets and his captain doesn't have the confidence for him to complete his quota (8-0-40-0), then one would expect that changing the format would not make a great difference.
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Changing the format wouldn't make a difference huh? I'm gonna say changing the formats has made an incredible difference .. a difference that means yasir shah has the chance to become one of the fastest to a 100 wickets .. so that's another flawed argument.. . So changing the formats does make a big difference ..
 
On the dustbowls of India/UAE - I would say it is 50:50.

Ashwin and Jadeja will be world class in such conditions but we are ATG players of spin too.

On flat pitches - I think we will have an advantage but on a green top I think the likes of Vijay, Kohli, Rahane etc. will fair better.
 
No way dada....getting wins in won backyard by making 'akhada' (no sporting gentleman's spirit) and getting beaten black and blue everywhere else cannot make you better than Pakistan test team...Pakistan test team is far mor better than your pathetic test team...they can draw test everywhere if not win...you cannot do that...
 
Napa said:
Pakistan's performance in Aus and NZ will answer a lot of questions.
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No, not really. Pakistan has already proved it is better than India or Australia since they played pretty well for THREE out of four test matches. India got smashed in the literal sense while Australia held on before England brushed them away.

Also, looking at the Australian test team right now and the manner of test cricket Down Under in the recent past, I wouldn't be surprised if Pakistan ends up drawing/winning that series too. The Aussie bowling attack without Starc is downright pathetic.
 
Xeeebon said:
No way dada....getting wins in won backyard by making 'akhada' (no sporting gentleman's spirit) and getting beaten black and blue everywhere else cannot make you better than Pakistan test team...Pakistan test team is far mor better than your pathetic test team...they can draw test everywhere if not win...you cannot do that...
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In the last 1 year -

Won 2-1 in SL
Won 2-0 in WI

:danish
 
Usman Chadda said:
No, not really. Pakistan has already proved it is better than India or Australia since they played pretty well for THREE out of four test matches. India got smashed in the literal sense while Australia held on before England brushed them away.

Also, looking at the Australian test team right now and the manner of test cricket Down Under in the recent past, I wouldn't be surprised if Pakistan ends up drawing/winning that series too. The Aussie bowling attack without Starc is downright pathetic.
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Hazlewood, Cummins, Pattinson, Lyon say HI
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
Hazlewood, Cummins, Pattinson, Lyon say HI
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When was the last time you saw Cummins and Pattinson bowl? Lyon and Hazelwood are decent, but nothing special. Starc and the more-than-usual bounce in the Aussie wickets are the only factors which might overwhelm Pakistan to be honest.
 
At the end of the day,

Ganguly's team got a thrashing by Pakistan almost every time. So he has bitter memories.

Not surprised over bitter statements too. :srini
 
msb314 said:
On the dustbowls of India/UAE - I would say it is 50:50.

Ashwin and Jadeja will be world class in such conditions but we are ATG players of spin too.

On flat pitches - I think we will have an advantage but on a green top I think the likes of Vijay, Kohli, Rahane etc. will fair better.
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Same way they did in England? :))
 
msb314 said:
On the dustbowls of India/UAE - I would say it is 50:50.

Ashwin and Jadeja will be world class in such conditions but we are ATG players of spin too.

On flat pitches - I think we will have an advantage but on a green top I think the likes of Vijay, Kohli, Rahane etc. will fair better.
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WhenSultansBowled said:
Same way they did in England? :))
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That clown kohli averages 13 in England after 10 innings. Gul, Ajmal, and amir have better averages than him...
 
Mr Ganguly, instead of talking...play Pakistan. That is the only way to prove who is better.
 
Hawkeye said:
Ganguly's team got a thrashing by Pakistan almost every time. So he has bitter memories.
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Surprising to be honest. How many tests India and Pakistan played when Ganguly captained the side? What was his record?
 
Usman Chadda said:
No, not really. Pakistan has already proved it is better than India or Australia since they played pretty well for THREE out of four test matches. India got smashed in the literal sense while Australia held on before England brushed them away.
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Though you may like to think so, the entire cricketing Test world doesn't revolve around how a team does in England.

It is called "#1 Test Ranking" and not "#1 Test Ranking of Visiting Team's Performance in England" for a reason.
 
troodon said:
India has been touring non-stop Australia/England/SA/NZ/WI for a while now. After a long gap we are having a home stretch.
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That is what makes India's #1 position impressive is that it has mostly been playing abroad. The older home matches (beyond 2 years) are given only 50% weight. As India has home series coming up, it should be able to get a firm grip on the #1 position.
 
in_cutter said:
Mr Ganguly, instead of talking...play Pakistan. That is the only way to prove who is better.
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Exactly! Until then ICC ratings decide who is # 1. If you compare all 3 departments, it's India all the way. I would rate Pakistani batting slightly higher than INDIA (thanks to Misbah and YK).

Batting - Pak > INDIA
Bowling - Pak < INDIA
Fielding - Pak < INDIA
Tail - Pak < INDIA
 
When did indias bowling become better than Pakistan lol. Also your team can't even catch in the slips.

Is that another surgical strike from you.
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
Same way they did in England? :))
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Don't let the flat pitches during our 2-2 draw fool you.

The Oval pitch was a featherbed as was Lord's and Edgabaston (where we still lost).

The only slight movement was experienced at Old Trafford where we got demolished.
 
Crafty_Indian said:
By catching, I hope you are meaning slip catching which is obviously better coz u still have misbah and yk manning them. But that again it is not by much. But then again u guys will feel the drop in standard on that front as well once these greats retire like we felt.
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What is this silliness about wait till so and so retires...Pak team is made up of 11 players and YK and Misbah are part of the same team, it is not as if only those two score every run and also claim all the wickets as well and the team wins!

Since they are part of a team and that team is much better...see your England record vs ours in last 5 years or even heck when we toured in 2010, despite all that horrific side stuff, we still managed to win two tests despite no YK or even Misbah!
 
msb314 said:
Don't let the flat pitches during our 2-2 draw fool you.

The Oval pitch was a featherbed as was Lord's and Edgabaston (where we still lost).

The only slight movement was experienced at Old Trafford where we got demolished.
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oh chacha when india played there, England was amassing 500-600 and india was embarrassed by an innings in almost all games. DON'T downplay what we have achieved....you bharat lover.
 
GrandMaster said:
Exactly! Until then ICC ratings decide who is # 1. If you compare all 3 departments, it's India all the way. I would rate Pakistani batting slightly higher than INDIA (thanks to Misbah and YK).

Batting - Pak > INDIA
Bowling - Pak < INDIA
Fielding - Pak < INDIA
Tail - Pak < INDIA
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So apparently the bowling super power that is headed by ishant sharma and a fielding unit that was compared to donkeys is better than Pakistan. Lejundary comment.
 
LowKiiSavage said:
So apparently the bowling super power that is headed by ishant sharma and a fielding unit that was compared to donkeys is better than Pakistan. Lejundary comment.
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Lol.. it's hard to accept the fact so I totally understand. India is doing much better with "trundlers" than so called 140+ kmph sprayguns. With regards to fielding, there is no point in discussing. Just ask your very own Mohammed Aamir, he would have some good "worthy words" for his teammates.
 
Totally agree with Ganguly here. I don't see anything wrong in his statement and have no idea why some of my friends got offended after hearing dad's opinion.



India is far ahead of Pakistan as fat as test cricket is concerned. Those who r talking about india's performance against England should keep in mind that barring the last England tour Pakistan haven't played a single test outside Asia in last 5/6 years.


That's the only reason they r sitting at no 2.
 
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Yanna_Rascala said:
oh chacha when india played there, England was amassing 500-600 and india was embarrassed by an innings in almost all games. DON'T downplay what we have achieved....you bharat lover.
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Celebrating a 2-2 draw is not the end all be all.

Lord's was won thanks to Yasir's effort whilst Oval was won thanks to YK.

In between - we were poor at OT and Edgabaston.

2-2 is commendable considering we suffered heavy losses in our 2006 and 2010 tour and our batting showed up in 3 out of the 4 tests this time.

However, we are still circumspect in green swinging conditions (regardless of how India played in 2014).
 
Xeeebon said:
SL=SC
WI=Similar SC

India can win there not outside SC...that's what I was referring...
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What? We've won in Australia, South Africa, Newzealand..... and everywhere else in the world.

The only reason we've suffered in that England tour is because our team was going through some rebuilding phase back then.

We've thrashed England in England in the past and will thrash them in future too. India is undisputedly the most successful test team from Asia.....
 
Pakistani test team is slightly ahead of India at this point but as someone said once YK & Misbah goes it will be a bottomless drop. Don't blame Ganguly...obviously he can't ever say Pakistan is better.
 
I think Guptill is a better test batter than anyone in India or Pakistan. His technique and ability to play the moving ball is top class.
 
Don't agree with that but unfortunately we wont get to see India vs Pakistan.
And India have an advantage playing in India, I think England will still give them problems though when they tour later in the year.
 
ahmedzee said:
Ofcourse he can't say Pakistan is better. He is an indian and Bengal cricket chief.
Though he never stated why. Beating England in 2 tests in England is no joke. India has never achieved that, i.e. beating England in 2 tests of a series in England. Pakistan has done that twice before this.
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India did that in 1986.
 
Prince_ said:
Totally agree with Ganguly here. I don't see anything wrong in his statement and have no idea why some of my friends got offended after hearing dad's opinion.



India is far ahead of Pakistan as fat as test cricket is concerned. Those who r talking about india's performance against England should keep in mind that barring the last England tour Pakistan haven't played a single test outside Asia in last 5/6 years.


That's the only reason they r sitting at no 2.
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What happened when India played those matches there? Lost? Won how many? That's right 1..

Pakistan just crossed that total cume of victories that India had in the whole year away from home, in just one series..

So by that logic there is 1) Pakistan, 50,000 feet of nothingness, and then a 2) Indian Test Match side..
 
Not only that Pakistani batsmen on average did better than Indians on English pitches.. here are the stats for you

M. Vijay - 40.20 Sami Aslam - 55.56
S. Dhawan - 20.33 Shan Masood - 17.75
Pujara - 22.20 Azhar Ali - 42.14
V. Kohli - 13.40 Younis Khan - 48.57
A. Rahane - 33.22 Misbah ul Haq - 40.28
M.S Dhoni - 34.90 Asad Shafiq - 39.14
R. Jadeja - 22.20 Sarfaraz Ahmed - 32.16

G. Gambhir - 6.25 Mohammad Hafeez - 17.00
 
Bilal7 said:
Honestly. Always thought Dada was a decent, intelligent man but he seems messed up in the head after this little tidbit.

Pakistan have better batsmen, better bowlers and a better captain than India does. The fielding of both teams is probably on equal footing at as well. Pakistan just won two tests in England and would have won another if not for a single, poor day. If anything, Pakistan is far better than India in test cricket.
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Better batsman and skipper agreed,but better bowlers!!!!! None of the Pakistani bowlers including Yasir will get into the Indian team ATM,your batting in tests is better than India,agreed but bowling?it is a bit stretched (Yasir may be a better bowler but he will not make the team because of his poor batting and fielding skills compared to Jadeja)
overall right now Pakistan is a better test team ,however the second worst bowling line up in the world after Sri Lanka easily
 
joly said:
Better batsman and skipper agreed,but better bowlers!!!!! None of the Pakistani bowlers including Yasir will get into the Indian team ATM,your batting in tests is better than India,agreed but bowling?it is a bit stretched (Yasir may be a better bowler but he will not make the team because of his poor batting and fielding skills compared to Jadeja)
overall right now Pakistan is a better test team ,however the second worst bowling line up in the world after Sri Lanka easily
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What a silly statement. How can you use batting and fielding to rate Jadeja's bowling over Shah's? Yasir Shah is a better bowler than anyone that India have. Amir and Riaz are better pacers than Bhuvi and Shami. The only Indian bowler who will get into the Pakistani team is Ashwin. Sohail Khan is just as good as any pacer than India have.

After South Africa and maybe England, Pakistan have the best bowling attack in the world.
 
India is only good at home. Abroad every one gives you a spanking, Saurav! What you on about??
 
Only a fool or a rabid patriot would say that India is better than Pakistan in tests. I repeat, we have better bowlers, betters batsmen, a better captain and keeper-batsman, more experience and equally good fielding.

There is nothing in this format in which India has an edge over Pakistan. Absolutely nothing.
 
With the possibility that Amir, Sami, Babar and one of Usama Mir or Zafar Gohar will all be playing in our next test, we even have a more youthful team.
 
waleed88 said:
Not only that Pakistani batsmen on averaging age did better than Indians on English pitches.. here are the stats for you

M. Vijay - 40.20 Sami Aslam - 55.56
S. Dhawan - 20.33 Shan Masood - 17.75
Pujara - 22.20 Azhar Ali - 42.14
V. Kohli - 13.40 Younis Khan - 48.57
A. Rahane - 33.22 Misbah ul Haq - 40.28
M.S Dhoni - 34.90 Asad Shafiq - 39.14
R. Jadeja - 22.20 Sarfaraz Ahmed - 32.16

G. Gambhir - 6.25 Mohammad Hafeez - 17.00
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What time period are these averages from?

Indian averages in your list are too low, for example Kohli averages at least 30 in the last 2 series
 
waleed88 said:
Not only that Pakistani batsmen on average did better than Indians on English pitches.. here are the stats for you

M. Vijay - 40.20 Sami Aslam - 55.56
S. Dhawan - 20.33 Shan Masood - 17.75
Pujara - 22.20 Azhar Ali - 42.14
V. Kohli - 13.40 Younis Khan - 48.57
A. Rahane - 33.22 Misbah ul Haq - 40.28
M.S Dhoni - 34.90 Asad Shafiq - 39.14
R. Jadeja - 22.20 Sarfaraz Ahmed - 32.16

G. Gambhir - 6.25 Mohammad Hafeez - 17.00
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I see that your stats are only for India's last visit to England. Yes, India did poorly in that series, but all great teams do poorly sometime.

Last Indian visit to Australia, the averages of the top 3 Indian batsmen were Kohli 86.50, Pujara 60.25, and Rahane 57.00

Last Pakistan visit to Australia, the averages of the top 3 Pakistani batsmen were Butt 46.66, Manzoor 38.50, and Malik 38.50. YK did not play and Misbah had an average of 25.33.

So in England we have: A. Rahane - 33.22 Misbah ul Haq - 40.28 and in Australia we have A. Rahane - 57.60 Misbah ul Haq - 25.33

The above is just an example of how considering only one series can give misleading numbers.
 
Napa said:
I see that your stats are only for India's last visit to England. Yes, India did poorly in that series, but all great teams do poorly sometime.

Last Indian visit to Australia, the averages of the top 3 Indian batsmen were Kohli 86.50, Pujara 60.25, and Rahane 57.00

Last Pakistan visit to Australia, the averages of the top 3 Pakistani batsmen were Butt 46.66, Manzoor 38.50, and Malik 38.50. YK did not play and Misbah had an average of 25.33.

So in England we have: A. Rahane - 33.22 Misbah ul Haq - 40.28 and in Australia we have A. Rahane - 57.60 Misbah ul Haq - 25.33

The above is just an example of how considering only one series can give misleading numbers.
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Pakistan last visited Australia in 2010. Pulling stats from 6 years ago?
 
Napa said:
I see that your stats are only for India's last visit to England. Yes, India did poorly in that series, but all great teams do poorly sometime.

Last Indian visit to Australia, the averages of the top 3 Indian batsmen were Kohli 86.50, Pujara 60.25, and Rahane 57.00

Last Pakistan visit to Australia, the averages of the top 3 Pakistani batsmen were Butt 46.66, Manzoor 38.50, and Malik 38.50. YK did not play and Misbah had an average of 25.33.

So in England we have: A. Rahane - 33.22 Misbah ul Haq - 40.28 and in Australia we have A. Rahane - 57.60 Misbah ul Haq - 25.33

The above is just an example of how considering only one series can give misleading numbers.
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This is the most recent example so the comparison is with the current side not with a 2009 visiting batsman vis a vis a Rahane playing in a 2014.. that is comparing apples and oranges..
 
Napa said:
What time period are these averages from?

Indian averages in your list are too low, for example Kohli averages at least 30 in the last 2 series
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Comparing India 2014 vs Pakistan 2016 tour to England.. further stats are awaiting upcoming series but so far comparison shows this side is much better than the Indian side that visited England in 2014
 
waleed88 said:
This is the most recent example so the comparison is with the current side not with a 2009 visiting batsman vis a vis a Rahane playing in a 2014.. that is comparing apples and oranges..
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Yes, I don't think these comparisons of a single series played in a particular country mean much. My intention was to show how you can get different results by comparing different series. It was not to show that the stats from Australia are meaningful. [MENTION=139975]The_Odd_One[/MENTION]

Also, Pakistani bowlers are better than Indian bowlers in English conditions. However Test cricket in played in many different conditions and not just one particular condition.
 
I don't think so. India accumulate their rankings by playing selective teams.
during the 90's they avoided Pakistan at all costs. When the likes of Akram, W. Younis retired they were happy to host Pakistan.
In the 2000's when Lanka were at their peak Murali, Vass, Sanga, Mahela, Attapatu, Samaraweera, Dilshan etc. they avoided them. I think they met twice in that decade. I stand corrected.
How many games did SA play in India compared to Pakistan & Sri Lanka combined?
As soon as those players were gone or on their last legs they did tour.
As soon as Misbah and YK retire there will be an impromptu tour of UAE or India hosting Pakistan.
India will win and be hailed as kings of Asia, a total joke.
Imagine Australia; South Africa, England avoiding each other, they'd also go twenty years without defeat. Especially SA & Australia, playing Asian teams @home will be nothing for these two formidable dominant sides.

There's a reason why winning in Australia is not even compared to India. They play everyone without any fear or favour.
 
soso_killer said:
I don't think so. India accumulate their rankings by playing selective teams.
during the 90's they avoided Pakistan at all costs. When the likes of Akram, W. Younis retired they were happy to host Pakistan.
In the 2000's when Lanka were at their peak Murali, Vass, Sanga, Mahela, Attapatu, Samaraweera, Dilshan etc. they avoided them. I think they met twice in that decade. I stand corrected.
How many games did SA play in India compared to Pakistan & Sri Lanka combined?
As soon as those players were gone or on their last legs they did tour.
As soon as Misbah and YK retire there will be an impromptu tour of UAE or India hosting Pakistan.
India will win and be hailed as kings of Asia, a total joke.
Imagine Australia; South Africa, England avoiding each other, they'd also go twenty years without defeat. Especially SA & Australia, playing Asian teams @home will be nothing for these two formidable dominant sides.

There's a reason why winning in Australia is not even compared to India. They play everyone without any fear or favour.
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Bold portion is wrong. Pakistan avoided playing in 90s and Indians avoided playing in later decades. Having said that Wasim/Waqar didn't avoid India in 90s. It was simply politics.
 
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I don't think so. India accumulate their rankings by playing selective teams.
during the 90's they avoided Pakistan at all costs. When the likes of Akram, W. Younis retired they were happy to host Pakistan.
<b>In the 2000's when Lanka were at their peak Murali, Vass, Sanga, Mahela, Attapatu, Samaraweera, Dilshan etc. they avoided them. I think they met twice in that decade.</b> I stand corrected.
How many games did SA play in India compared to Pakistan & Sri Lanka combined?
As soon as those players were gone or on their last legs they did tour.
As soon as Misbah and YK retire there will be an impromptu tour of UAE or India hosting Pakistan.
India will win and be hailed as kings of Asia, a total joke.
Imagine Australia; South Africa, England avoiding each other, they'd also go twenty years without defeat. Especially SA & Australia, playing Asian teams @home will be nothing for these two formidable dominant sides.

There's a reason why winning in Australia is not even compared to India. They play everyone without any fear or favour.
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You should really check the records before posting. It is not hard to do, for example just Google "India Sri Lanka Tests" and the top match is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Test_cricket_matches_played_between_India_and_Sri_Lanka

In the 2000s, India and SL played 4 series, and India led 6-4. If you included the 2010 series, the record in favor of India is 7-5.
 
soso_killer said:
How many games did SA play in India compared to Pakistan & Sri Lanka combined?
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In the last 20 years in Aus by number of tests ( top 3 teams are Eng, Ind and WI )

  1. Eng - 25
  3. India - 19
  5. WI - 19

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  6. NZ - 15
  8. SA - 15
  10. Pak - 9
  12. SL - 7
  14. BD - 2
  16. ZIM - 2



In the last 20 years in Aus by number of tests ( top 3 teams are Aus, SA and Eng )

  1. Aus - 21
  2. SA - 16
  3. Eng - 12

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  4. NZ - 12
  5. Pak - 9
  6. SL - 9
  7. WI - 8
  8. Zim - 4


So SA has played total 16 games in India. SL + Pak has played 18 games total in India.

WI has played too many games in Aus in the last 20 years despite being in continuous decline. I think it's due to legacy. SA has played similar amount in Ind and Aus. Pak and SL have also played similar amount in Ind and Aus. Ind and Aus have played a lot with each other despite being poor in other country conditions.
 
Since the Indians are now # 1, he can probably say that. Real issue should be settled on field only and not in print !!
 
Ganguly is a clown. Let India play away from home and see how good they are. Indians suffer from memory problems and forget how embarrassing their performances are on non dead tracks. When it comes to away games, Pakistan is still a far better team. India batsman are great on dead tracks, therefore, they are rigging the game to stay home for the next year.
 
Buffet said:
In the last 20 years in Aus by number of tests ( top 3 teams are Eng, Ind and WI )

  1. Eng - 25
  3. India - 19
  5. WI - 19

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  6. NZ - 15
  8. SA - 15
  10. Pak - 9
  12. SL - 7
  14. BD - 2
  16. ZIM - 2



In the last 20 years in Aus by number of tests ( top 3 teams are Aus, SA and Eng )

  1. Aus - 21
  2. SA - 16
  3. Eng - 12

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  4. NZ - 12
  5. Pak - 9
  6. SL - 9
  7. WI - 8
  8. Zim - 4


So SA has played total 16 games in India. SL + Pak has played 18 games total in India.

WI has played too many games in Aus in the last 20 years despite being in continuous decline. I think it's due to legacy. SA has played similar amount in Ind and Aus. Pak and SL have also played similar amount in Ind and Aus. Ind and Aus have played a lot with each other despite being poor in other country conditions.
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proves my point SA has played almost double the matches than Pakistan AND Sri Lanka in India.
What's interesting the likes of Australia, SA, NZ & Eng have played more than their Asian counterparts.
Coincidence?
 
Hawkeye said:
At the end of the day,

Ganguly's team got a thrashing by Pakistan almost every time. So he has bitter memories.

Not surprised over bitter statements too. :srini
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Azhar's team used to get thrashed by Pak.

I don't remember Ganguly's team getting thrashed by Pak.

What is Dada's record against Pak?
 
waleed88 said:
Comparing India 2014 vs Pakistan 2016 tour to England.. further stats are awaiting upcoming series but so far comparison shows this side is much better than the Indian side that visited England in 2014
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Let your batsmen play in Aus and then talk.

Right now, all Pak's claim is that they won 1 more Test in England than India.

Better India's record of 2-0 loss in 4 Test series and then you can claim the bragging rights.

Or better India's record against SA 1-0 loss and then you can claim the bragging rights.
 
troodon said:
Let your batsmen play in Aus and then talk.

Right now, all Pak's claim is that they won 1 more Test in England than India.

Better India's record of 2-0 loss in 4 Test series and then you can claim the bragging rights.

Or better India's record against SA 1-0 loss and then you can claim the bragging rights.
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You have won 1/9 tests in 2 trips and most of the games were innings defeats. We won 3/9 and could have won even more if it were not for fixing or that one session in edgbaston.

Also we won our first test in England in 1949 where it took you 39 years to win a test. Yeah talk nah.
 
troodon said:
Let your batsmen play in Aus and then talk.

Right now, all Pak's claim is that they won 1 more Test in England than India.

Better India's record of 2-0 loss in 4 Test series and then you can claim the bragging rights.

Or better India's record against SA 1-0 loss and then you can claim the bragging rights.
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1 more test won compared to the 2014 India's side, and 1 more test won more than the entire foreign tours conducted by India in 2014 to give them an ideal preparation to defend their World Cup in 2015, and they could'nt even do that either :))

Also a moment of silence for all the greats of Indian cricket that went to the 2012 but came back empty with 9-0 loss in Australia and England, Harsha and Shastri were left chew on the insane amount of hype they created on the tours.. the commentary team's dissing each others panels was more interesting than the test series itself
 
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Yanna_Rascala said:
You have won 1/9 tests in 2 trips and most of the games were innings defeats. We won 3/9 and could have won even more if it were not for fixing or that one session in edgbaston.

Also we won our first test in England in 1949 where it took you 39 years to win a test. Yeah talk nah.
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So you are going back to 1948 :facepalm:

Ganguly is talking about the current test team. Not the ones from the past.

Could've, should've.... :))
 
waleed88 said:
1 more test won compared to the 2014 India's side, and 1 more test won more than the entire foreign tours conducted by India in 2014 to give them an ideal preparation to defend their World Cup in 2015, and they could'nt even do that either :))

Also a moment of silence for all the greats of Indian cricket that went to the 2012 but came back empty with 9-0 loss in Australia and England, Harsha and Shastri were left chew on the insane amount of hype they created on the tours.. the commentary team's dissing each others panels was more interesting than the test series itself
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Your teams also got annihilated in Aus and SA when they last toured. At least India managed a few draws there. Drew 2 out of 4 in Aus and 1 out of 2 in SA.

What did Pak do when they toured those countries the last time?
 
troodon said:
Your teams also got annihilated in Aus and SA when they last toured. At least India managed a few draws there. Drew 2 out of 4 in Aus and 1 out of 2 in SA.

What did Pak do when they toured those countries the last time?
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Indians have been flat track bullies for a decade now and you are bringing up stories to back your claim from matches more than a decade ago :)) historically we have been a better touring side than India away from home specially in 80's and 90's but I don't wanna bring back stories of the past now and prefer staying relevant, everyone knew you were just a little above minnows back then, and never even had the guts to face our team from the time because you knew you would get annhilated
 
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