specially the era where tendulkar never had a test 100 away from home during the 90s and had to score against Zimbabwe Kenya Srilanka to keep his average relevant
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specially the era where tendulkar never had a test 100 away from home during the 90s and had to score against Zimbabwe Kenya Srilanka to keep his average relevant
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Remind us of your England Tour. (Here we are actually comparing the test sides).The captain should whisper in his ear "this is a test, a test, test....."
After that game, they were also 83 all out against India in an LOI.
You haven't faced any spinners of the quality of Ashwin and Jadeja.
A lot less ego compared to what was on view on being handed the #1 ranking due to rained out matches
It's completely illogical to compare teams across formats.
You are using a T20 match as a base to compare Pakistan's and India's test side.
If you take a look at both the teams that played against each other in the Asia cup match only 3 Pakistani players that featured in that team are in the test squad (27%), while India had 5 players that featured in the Asia cup match and which also feature in their current test squad (55%).
If 73% of Pakistan's test squad didn't feature in that Asia cup match, how could you compare the sides.
The same goes for India, none of the fast bowlers that played in that match feature in India's squad along with most of the middle and lower order batsman.
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What happened in 2012 in Australia? When we tour now we can compare the results with how you did on your recent tour.
At the end of the day,
<b>Ganguly's team got a thrashing by Pakistan almost every time</b>. So he has bitter memories.
Not surprised over bitter statements too.
There is a literal flood of made up stuff here.
To wit, there were 2 series between Pakistan and India which were played where Ganguly captained at least 2 games. The first series in Pakistan (2003/4), India won. The second series in India (2004/5) was a draw.
If you count the number of number of matches with Ganguly as captain, the record is even with 2 wins for each and one draw.
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I guess we will have be content with the rankings instead. Do well in NZ and Aus, and you will get the #1 ranking back.
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As an Indian, he has the right to argue that India is probably better than Pakistan but to bring it the adjective "far better" takes away any modicum of rationality and credibility.
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India and Pakistan simply play a lot in some period and then don't play much. SL insists on playing ODI rather than test due to revenue. That's why I recall having too much Ind-SL matches a while back. I think now BCCI doesn't need the vote of SL that much so non-stop ODI matches stopped.
Aus, Eng & SA playing a lot in India is expected here due to being top marketable teams. NZ looks a weird case to me here to be honest. Not sure how come they played so much in India.
I don't think that it's a coincidence, but I don't think it's exactly planned for rating/rankings as well. Otherwise Indians should have avoided playing non-stop away tours in one stretch. I think it's pretty much driven by money and politics. Just my reading of situation here. Anyway, I am just a fan and don't know much about all these things.
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Thats simply not true ... Pak refused to tour India in 1993 and despite that India toured Pak in 1997 for 3 ODI's.
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There is a lot of rubbish being spouted in the thread. India didn't shy away from playing Pakistan in the 90s. That is a view lacking in knowledge of the history and geopolitics between the two countries. India played Sri Lanka more than many other countries and it had the best win loss record in the 2000s amongst all teams.
On topic, India have got a very good top 5 in Vijay, Rahul, Pujara, Kohli and Rahane. However when it comes to a test series between India and Pakistan, my bet will be on their Pakistani counterparts outscoring them in a bilateral series. The Pakistani batsmen have an appetite for huge scores, have more experience and a better batting depth. Indian batsmen don't make big centuries and I don't remember the last time India scored more than 400 at home. Ultimately Pakistan might win the hypothetical series due to better temperament and experience. It's funny because I don't think there is a huge gap in the bowling department like it used to be in the past but Pakistan are better in the batting department simply because their batsmen apply themselves longer with a better concentration.
On topic, India have got a very good top 5 in Vijay, Rahul, Pujara, Kohli and Rahane. However when it comes to a test series between India and Pakistan, my bet will be on their Pakistani counterparts outscoring them in a bilateral series. The Pakistani batsmen have an appetite for huge scores, have more experience and a better batting depth. Indian batsmen don't make big centuries and I don't remember the last time India scored more than 400 at home. Ultimately Pakistan might win the hypothetical series due to better temperament and experience. It's funny because I don't think there is a huge gap in the bowling department like it used to be in the past but Pakistan are better in the batting department simply because their batsmen apply themselves longer with a better concentration.
India last toured Pakistan for a Test Series in 1989 and has never toured Pakistan till then until 2004
Pak must've refused India but that was the days of alot of in-politics in the Pakistan side and administration.. however Indians as shown in the Asian Test Championship, would've struggled to win against India even in home conditions.. India refused to play Pakistan until they visited Pak in 2004, 15 years after they previously visited
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Prove it buddy. Let's have an India Pak series. We can even have it in your backyard
Good ... so how does this translate into India avoided playing Pakistan ? Looks opposite to me.
That was one test .... just few weeks earlier we drew a Test series 1-1 remember ?
Once again we visited in 1997 (When we could have simply refused to visit altogether since Pak did not honor their previous commitment in 1993 ) ... And your board did not want to play tests. Not BCCI's problem.
And between 1999 and 2004 the 2 W's were past their Prime anyhow and there was a small matter of Kargil War. Let me know if you want me to explain the Politics side of it and how it started.
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Vijay, Pujara and to an extent, Rahane are the only solid players of spin in the Indian team. Whereas Younis, Misbah and Sarfaraz are notorious for completely dismantling almost any spinner that is put in front of them.
Considering that both teams rely on their spinners to give them wickets, that is where the game will be won.
Pakistan also has better players, man to man. A combined team would be:
1) Vijay.
2) Azhar.
3) Shafiq.
4) Younis.
5) Misbah (c).
6) Rahane.
7) Sarfaraz (wk).
8) Ashwin.
9) Shah.
10) Amir.
11) Riaz.
12) Shami.
The only points of contention would be Shafiq over Pujara and Riaz/Amir over Shami. However, even then Pakistan would have more players.
Considering that both teams rely on their spinners to give them wickets, that is where the game will be won.
Pakistan also has better players, man to man. A combined team would be:
1) Vijay.
2) Azhar.
3) Shafiq.
4) Younis.
5) Misbah (c).
6) Rahane.
7) Sarfaraz (wk).
8) Ashwin.
9) Shah.
10) Amir.
11) Riaz.
12) Shami.
The only points of contention would be Shafiq over Pujara and Riaz/Amir over Shami. However, even then Pakistan would have more players.
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Can't believe some people are actually arguing that India were at par with Pakistan pre-2005.
I like how your media has a justification for everything, you people can believe anything from Surgical strikes to Terrorist havens.. I have complete faith that a team like India and your legendary board had some sort of issue playing against Pakistan, and brought anything from political reasons to Pak refusing to play because of any other reason as the explanation you have been made to believe all this time..
I genuinely believe that the 194 Saeed Anwar smashed against your team in Chennai was enough for them to prevent a home visit to Pakistan.. Indians have always been afraid to face Pakistan, as per numerous interviews by your commentators like Kumble,Manjrekar,Mongia and others, they had a mental block against Pakistan which prevented them from playing their natural game
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Buddy, I know you're quite pumped up. But atleast state true facts to support your argument.
I might be mistaken, I know I am error prone in these debates specially regarding statistics, but I remember reading one of MMHS's post regarding Tendulkar in the 90s.. he was talking about ODIs or test 100's away from home (not subcontinent).. but there is definite stat about Tendulkar not scoring 100's away from subcontinent in either of these two formats.. in foreign conditions like England/SouthAfrica/Australia, while playing for India mind you not county
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Tendulkar had 9 100s away from Asia in the 90s at venues like Sydney, Perth, Manchester, Birmingham, Wellington, Port of Spain, etc. He averaged 52 in that time period away from Asia in test cricket. It is in ODI cricket he had a poor record in the 90s and only improved it in the next decade.
Ok thanks for that info... my bad!!!!
DID I quote any Indian media OR talk about Surgical strikes Or Terrorist haven ? But do tell us what your own media has to say about where Osama was found.
We toured Pak within 6 months AFTER that 194
.... and we played most matches against pak in the 90s. Again no Indian media used just stats from Cricinfo.
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India is better because its players are young and yet to reach their peak, while Pakistan is being carried by Younis and Misbah who might not be in the team after a year.
DID I quote any Indian media OR talk about Surgical strikes Or Terrorist haven ? But do tell us what your own media has to say about where Osama was found.
We toured Pak within 6 months AFTER that 194
When was the last test series played vs Pakistan in Pakistan? Yea touring for 3 ODIs is not the same thing lol.. anything to justify your action haha
I can't believe it either that people think the two teams were at the same level pre-2005.
After all India beat Pakistan in a Test series in Pakistan 2003/4!!!
You can find all the Tests played by India and Pakistan in the following links:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/team/series_results.html?class=1;id=6;type=team
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/team/series_results.html?class=1;id=7;type=team
you quietly skipped the media question. I wonder why.
We played 3 ODI's because YOUR OWN board scheduled just 3. So you are going to still claim that we were afraid ( due to Anwar 194 ) to play Pakistan because we played in however many matches your board wanted and remember we could have just refused because it was not our turn to tour.
BTW we played a lot of ODI's in neutral venues between 97-99 which BCCI could have easily avoided if they were so afraid of your team.
you quietly skipped the media question. I wonder why.
We played 3 ODI's because YOUR OWN board scheduled just 3. So you are going to still claim that we were afraid ( due to Anwar 194 ) to play Pakistan because we played in however many matches your board wanted and remember we could have just refused because it was not our turn to tour.
BTW we played a lot of ODI's in neutral venues between 97-99 which BCCI could have easily avoided if they were so afraid of your team.
Oh and you are talking as you people are so compliant that your board had no say in making that decision, I like the innocence of Indian supporters here
they like to blame everything on Pakistan you quietly skipped the media question. I wonder why.
We played 3 ODI's because YOUR OWN board scheduled just 3. So you are going to still claim that we were afraid ( due to Anwar 194 ) to play Pakistan because we played in however many matches your board wanted and remember we could have just refused because it was not our turn to tour.
BTW we played a lot of ODI's in neutral venues between 97-99 which BCCI could have easily avoided if they were so afraid of your team.
Neutral venues had the profit divided, whereas your board has had a stringent policy from early 90s to not give benefit to the Pakistan cricket board of a home series vs India.. which according to them helps Pakistan plan attacks against India.. Bigger market and Bigger TV networking and media made sure of that never happening for a home series for Pakistan
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Pakistan is already a better team than India.
In NZ, India lost in their last tour, Pakistan drew.
In England, India lost in their last tour, Pakistan drew
In Australia, India lost in their last tour, so the bar is pretty low already
You are picking and choosing, for example not mentioning home performance against NZ. That is why the rankings are objective and you are not.
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Ironically there was no "politics" when the IPL and Indian players played there.
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i don't buy into this line of thinking.
Why tour Australia, England, SA and NZ but not tour India?
A test series with India is still lucrative, more than SA, NZ combined. A full tour would reap rewards.
And why have the non Asian sides played more in India? There's something sinister here, i refuse to believe it's a mere coincidence. NZ haven't been competitive except the last few years, yet have played more than Sri Lanka and Pakistan in India.
It's nice to hide behind "political interference", yet Sri Lankan players have played in IPL, despite links of genocide which have nothing to do with cricket.
The IPL was played in the UAE however when India were suppose to tour, the BCCI murmured about "spot fixing" being prominent in the UAE and whatnot. Which is ironic.
I don't by into these illogical excuses about the government, they can smooth talk them when they so please and hide behind them the next.
Again I see that you are very consciously avoiding important points ? You are avoiding responding about what your media talks about Terrorists situation (Osama caught in your country) , You are avoiding talking about Pakistan refusing to tour India in 1993 and how that is never considered as Pak being afraid of India but on the other hand not only do you expect India India to tour in 1997 when they have no obligations to do so due to Pakistan's refusal in 93 but you are quick to blame India for the short nature of the series and most importantly you are NEVER going to take back your comment about Anwar 194 being the cause of this business about being "afraid" ... Victim mentality by any chance ?
But your theory for us not playing Pak was because we were afraid of playing you, so now you are saying as long as there was profit to be made BCCI wasnt afraid of playing Pak ?
My theory is based on facts as mentioned before of your interviews from former players of the 90s era who admitted being afraid of playing Pakistan.
My second point was regarding the fact that India was a bigger market for cricket as it has always been, and you had been televising matches on Star sports and ESPN, whereas Pakistan only had broadacasting rights of PTV, the joint profit would be of an 80-20 ratio to the home side, and since bigger media corporations would not be involved in a home match for Pakistan (media corporations didn't want to profit Pakistan cricket as it has been a stance of your board for a very long time) there would be no home series that captured the same imagination that a series with India would.. an ODI series was a short series to make amends, however India has been reluctant to visit the test side of Pakistan since 1989 for 'obvious reasons', as the magnanimous Tendulkar will be exposed and other players from your side barely Internationa level..
Such was the denial you people lived in that by 2000 you had started a sportsman of a millenium campaign on ESPN Star Sportsto promote Tendulkar and voted compared to the likes of
Muhammad Ali, Michael Jordan, Rod Lever, Jack Nicklus, Pele, Babe Rooth, Carl Lewis, Lance Armstrong..
Now if a country's media is teaching this to their people its obvious playing against a Pakistan team in full form would be very difficult to accept for their people.. specially considering the tensions of the 90s regarding the Kashmir issue and the Babri Masjid incident before that.. Or for the people to accept that a country 7 times smaller at size is so much better than a country of 1 billion people..
The outrage of home crowd behaviors is well known, throwing stones at visiting teams has been a known tradition of Indian Hospitality
Regarding Osama Bin Laden, we gave Afghanis safe haven since the 80s when they were termed the brave Mujahideen of the 80s to rid of us of the communist empire of USSR, these same people had billions of assets and trade with the Bush empire, in terms of oil trade.. America was a part of that confusion where Osama became the villain, I'm pretty sure a few people in Pakistan also were a part of the confusion who gave him safe haven in Abbotabad..
However our country is not one of those that makes a known Mukti Bani, or a terrorist who tried to separate an existing part of a country, into their PM, so our standards are not that low
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Playing Indians is lucrative and that's why Pakistan has been trying to play against India in the last 4-5 years in UAE. But touring India is not lucrative for Pakistan. Touring sides don't make money. Host makes money. BCCI even enticed Pakistan to play in India 3 ODIs some time back and then refused to tour UAE. Pakistan would have made money if those 3 ODIs were played in Pakistan or UAE. They didn't make any money by playing it in India.
So Pakistan touring Aus, SA , Eng or India is not going to make money for Pakistan. Pakistan makes money by having those teams come and play in UAE/Pakistan. In fact, test series is not that much lucrative to host and Pakistan makes more by having ODI/T-20 as host.
That's why you will always see teams like Zim hosting India for ODI series and not the other way around. Just my take on things and I may be off target here.
Lets take it one point at a time and I will get to the rest of your post in time ...
Can you post links to these interviews by Indian players where they say they were afraid to Play Pakistan? And Do you really think BCCI listens to such players ? Even if you do find these interviews how are you going to Explain the fact that India played max ODIs vs Pak in 1990's as compared to 80s or any other decade ?
Here is the stat : http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...erby=decade;team=6;template=results;type=team
And here is another stat that clearly shows you that India played most matches vs Pak than any other country in the 90's
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...1990;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team
Neutral grounds with equal revenue.. NOT a HOME Series
I thought your team was a big sher team that killed everyone everywhere no ? So are you trying to tell me that India were ONLY afraid of playing IN Pakistan ? Everywhere else we werent afraid ? That makes a lot of sense
) If so then the reason why we didn't tour was because Pakistan didn't tour India in 1993. Your problem completely. And Iam pretty sure you will never answer that question.
BTW we toured Pak in 1989 just 2 months before 1990 started. Were we not afraid of touring then ?
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Damn! Ganguly knows how to stir the pot, doesn't he?
I thought your team was a big sher team that killed everyone everywhere no ? So are you trying to tell me that India were ONLY afraid of playing IN Pakistan ? Everywhere else we werent afraid ? That makes a lot of sense
If so then the reason why we didn't tour was because Pakistan didn't tour India in 1993. Your problem completely. And Iam pretty sure you will never answer that question.
BTW we toured Pak in 1989 just 2 months before 1990 started. Were we not afraid of touring then ?
What Happened in 1989 might be a reason for not touring again..
See let me clear this out to you, the visiting team always has reservations touring a side.. You are probably the first guy telling me that Pakistan didnot want to host a country against them, and too India which wasn't a formidable side..
It would be a win:win for our cricket..
Let me give you examples.. England was refusing to visit Bangladesh because of security reasons, it was a the visinting time that had a say in touring the guy, now Pakistan not hosting a series, because PCB refusing to play with India, who would profit Pakistn both ways by playing in India, monetarily and reputation wise.. I frankly think thats the bs people like you have grown up to believe..
See I don't hate Indians but there is a clear mentality from India to 'blame everything on Pakistan', evenn spy pigeons
Pakistan was also initially mulling over going to India during t20 world cup 2016, all visiting sides have a say in touring a side.. they make sure their needs are met.. luckily for India.. they always made sure their visits to Pakistan were short, citing any sort of excuse that would get them to not play against PK in home conditions, in short they wanted us to field our A team if they wanted us to play them
Even though [MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION] likes to blame everything on Pakistan, we have been more than willing to play India, anywhere, anytime, even in their home grounds.. as a visiting team we have stayed true to our word, and impressed all countries and people alike with our cricket in the 90s.. but Indians sadly never had the guts to reciprocate that sort of bravado shown by our TEAM, specially while playing against Pakistan in Home conditions
Even though [MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION] likes to blame everything on Pakistan, we have been more than willing to play India, anywhere, anytime, even in their home grounds.. as a visiting team we have stayed true to our word, and impressed all countries and people alike with our cricket in the 90s.. but Indians sadly never had the guts to reciprocate that sort of bravado shown by our TEAM, specially while playing against Pakistan in Home conditions
Why because we drew the Test series ?
Except ofcourse Pakistan ... Right ? Because your doodh sey dhuli team and PCB never did anything wrong and always played by the rules .. Correct ?
Never said that. What I did say is you cant expect other teams to tour you when you refuse to tour them? Your refusal to explain why Pak failed to tour India in 1993 tells everything I need to know.
Let me give you examples.. England was refusing to visit Bangladesh because of security reasons, it was a the visinting time that had a say in touring the guy, now Pakistan not hosting a series, because PCB refusing to play with India, who would profit Pakistn both ways by playing in India, monetarily and reputation wise.. I frankly think thats the bs people like you have grown up to believe..
See I don't hate Indians but there is a clear mentality from India to 'blame everything on Pakistan', evenn spy pigeons
Cant understand what you are saying here but First of all you need to decide on the reason why India feared playing Pakistan.
Was it
1. Monetary reasons or
2. Cricketing reasons.
Pick one but Seems like you don't know the difference.
Like in 1993 when you refused to Tour India but that still somehow makes you a brave sher but India is a meek buzdil chicken ? Some awesome logic.
Why because we drew the Test series ?
Except ofcourse Pakistan ... Right ? Because your doodh sey dhuli team and PCB never did anything wrong and always played by the rules .. Correct ?
Never said that. What I did say is you cant expect other teams to tour you when you refuse to tour them? Your refusal to explain why Pak failed to tour India in 1993 tells everything I need to know.
Cant understand what you are saying here but First of all you need to decide on the reason why India feared playing Pakistan.
Was it
1. Monetary reasons or
2. Cricketing reasons.
Pick one but Seems like you don't know the difference.
Like in 1993 when you refused to Tour India but that still somehow makes you a brave sher but India is a meek buzdil chicken ? Some awesome logic.
Yea every question that you put to me the answer has already been giving, so its a cycle we are going in again and again.. it has to be every reason except India being afraid of Pakistan which your players have admitted themselves..
when did you answer reasons for Pak not touring India in 1993? . Let me know the post # where you answered this question.
so its a cycle we are going in again and again.. it has to be every reason except India being afraid of Pakistan which your players have admitted themselves..
Can you provide links to these interviews ?
No I don't have any links, why? Because it was on tensports and I couldn't find anything on it..
You should try tweeting @therealPCB on twitter, only these people can give you a satisfactory answer because I've tried but you cannot get off your high bubble to understand.. I for one am tired of this nonsense and don't have time talking about this.. frankly its gotten repetitive and I am pretty sure I got my message across
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Because there isnt any such interview. No self respecting Intl cricketer that represent his country would say things that you are imagining in your mind. If they did that the public fury would be pretty nasty and they would have to carry that shame for the rest of their lives.
lol run away when cornered that sounds pretty familiar.
what high bubble? You are the one that is hurling petty peurile accusations without an iota of credible evidence and we are supposed to just accept what you are saying as facts ? Sounds like a very mature and reasonable discussion.
Come back here when you find any credible evidence to back up your khayali pulaav theories. As it stands the circumstantial evidence (Ind playing most cricket vs Pak in 90s ) is squarely against your theory of India being afraid of Pakistan .
Heck you cant even decide properly if it was monetary reasons or Cricketing reasons for your claims. Tells us how much you know about this subject which is nothing.
do you even have a logical reasoning for expecting Ind to tour when Pak refused to tour ? atleast try and answer that. Evidence ki baat door.
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just make accusations without reasoning logic evidence ... and others must accept that it is a fact ... mast logic hai bhai ... wah ji wah ...
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Actually, you have made multiple claims and called them 'facts' and have done nothing to prove them.
He has only asked for evidence and you've failed to provide them.
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Dada playing mind games . In all honesty, we were never a great test team in cricket and historically our W/L is only better than SL and NZ. I'd say from early 2001 to 2011 was the only time in history we were, without a shadow of doubt, the better test team.
. In all honesty, we were never a great test team in cricket and historically our W/L is only better than SL and NZ. I'd say from early 2001 to 2011 was the only time in history we were, without a shadow of doubt, the better test team.I don't have evidence but I have heard Manjrekar say it with my own ears saying this.. this was back in 2005-06 on ten sports India Pakistan series, now what I can I do if there is no proof of that video
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Neither team deserves no 1.
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Not a logical comment from saurav
That being said one drawn series has gone over the heads of lot of Pak fans (typical Asian trait I suppose). Need to come back to earth. When is Australian tour happening ?
That being said one drawn series has gone over the heads of lot of Pak fans (typical Asian trait I suppose). Need to come back to earth. When is Australian tour happening ?
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I would say Pakistan is slightly better than India, only because they recently drew the test series in ENG while India did poor there over the last few series....
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You had me fooled for a moment
If they are whitewashed against Aus again, then Pakistan will lose that cushion they gained against Pakistan.
In fact, given how this is one of the weakest Aus teams in a couple of decades, anything worse than 1-0 loss to Pakistan, and they will lose those brownie points they earned against England.
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Cushion Pak gained against ENG you mean!!!!,, This will be a very interesting series, Pakistan on paper have the talent to finally win a test series in Aus but do they have the maturity ? that's the question here. It will be quite an exciting series, Australia is at their weakest and I am looking forward to see how Babar would play here.....
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Guys, Please stick to the topic here. Any posts derailing the thread would be deleted.
Thanks
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Apart from Sarfraz, not a single Pakistani player is better than his Indian counterpart.
You could make a case for Azhar being better than one of their openers.
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Maybe, but Vijay is class too. Rahul is far better than Sami/Sharjeel.
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Agreed with Dada..
3 months after Ganguly made his statement, we now have the results of 3 series played by Pakistan and 2 played by India to make a more objective assessment.
Pakistan has lost 5-0 in NZ/Aus beating only WI at home, while still losing 1 Test to them. India has beaten NZ/Eng 7-0-1 at home.
Pakistani batting exceeded expectations in the second innings of the first Test in Aus, but has proven to be very fragile otherwise in NZ/Aus. That too against one of the weakest Australian attacks ever.
India's ICC Test rating is now 120, and Pakistan 97. At this point it would be fair to say that Ganguly has been vindicated and his critics proved wrong.
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Australia's attack weak? Are you awake, mate?
Australia's attack is second only to South Africa.
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No point comparing away record of one team with home record of another in the same period. Tables will turn again when india is going to tour abroad and pakistan is going to play at home.
I only gave slight edge to Pakistan over India because of younis and misbah. Once they retire India will be a better team because Pakistan will have to build a new team around azhar ali and asad shafiq.
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1st Test second innings: Amir 48, Riaz 30, Shah 33 (run out). This is either a weak Aus bowling attack or the Pakistani tail has really good batsmen.
And India would never ever, ever never have lost a Test to WI at home. They comprehensively thrashed WI away.
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Hindsight is always a good thing. Everything looks rosy at home. It did for Pakistan as well. I would be the happiest if we manage to win/draw a series outside asia.
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To be fair the Pakistani tail showed in-characteristic grit.
Tail couldn't do much after the Gabba test.
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Other than SA whose bowling attack is clearly no 1, there is no clear distinction between rest of the the units.. England, Australia and India all can be classified as no 2 but they all are highly dependent on conditions.
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Yeah so is Saffers for now mate,will know next when they tour Asia if it doesn't depend on "conditions".
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That is exactly my point.
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SA have never had any troubles in Asia and looking at their current stocks, i don't see why they would
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Australia is a clear standout.
India have one world class pacer and two excellent spinners.
England's attack is overaged and on a steady decline.
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Wouldn't put South Africa ahead too. A sign of a great team is dominance at home and great performances away. Yes away performances are very important but you can tell you're the best if you get beat at home.
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