India is no superpower

[KingKhanWC]

In relation to the posts in the Justin Justin Trudeau thread and reading posts from Indians over the years, it seems Indians actually believe their nation is some sort of superpower.

India is a big country with a very large population of over 1.3 billion and is on course to over take China very soon as the most populated country on the planet.

India's national wealth is only due to it's large population.

India has not seat on the UNSC and never will.

1/3 of the worlds poor reside in India.

India claims Pakistan (much smaller nation) causes trouble for them but has no means of stopping Pakistan. Having much bigger armed forces hasn't helped them much esp since Pakistan became a nuclear power.

India will not become a superpower, says Ramachandra Guha, renowned historian and author of India after Gandhi: The History of the World's Largest Democracy.

Taking the lead in a special report by the London School of Economics, Mr Guha outlines seven reasons to support his thesis.

The challenges which will hold India back, he writes, are the Maoist insurgency, the "insidious presence" of the Hindu right wing, degradation of the "once liberal and upright" centre, the increasing gap between the rich and the poor, trivialisation of media, the sustainability of "present patterns of resource consumption" and the instability and policy incoherence caused by multi-party governments.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-17350650

My request to Indian friends is, please get with reality so we can have a sensible discussion. There is no shame is accepting the truth your nation is one of many third world nations who has a very long way to go before you become a developed superpower. Thanks

 

[akki]

We know what we were before all invasions,we know what we are,where we have reached again just after around 70 years having been ruled around thousand of years from mughals to british.,and we certainy know where we will be after some time.
Dear pakitanis we dnt care about you , so stop caring about us either.....
From BRICS to every world submit india is a member of ,except UN which we will be in that too just a matter of couple of years.
I dnt have time to post many links which says otherwise which you posted.so chill

 

[KingKhanWC]

We know what we were before all invasions,we know what we are,where we have reached again just after around 70 years having been ruled around thousand of years from mughals to british.,and we certainy know where we will be after some time.
Dear pakitanis we dnt care about you , so stop caring about us either.....
From BRICS to every world submit india is a member of ,except UN which we will be in that too just a matter of couple of years.
I dnt have time to post many links which says otherwise which you posted.so chill

You will be one the UNSC in two years? Please explain why you believe this. South Africa and Brazil also BRICS members but they dont have grand delusions of being a superpower.

You post proves the thread.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Agree with the OP.

The reality is that certain goals must be met in order to be a superpower.

Let's take Global respect and Military clout as examples. There's not a single country in the world that respects India for what it is other than an opportunity to make money. Then there's military clout. India can never be a superpower in this respect, still kept at bay from Pakistan, despite all the claims of wars won etc, and even when India had the upper hand - as they woefully claim - couldn't finish the job. Then of course it takes a handful of people to flummox the mental security and status quo of India.

As the OP has pointed out, the only nations in contention of being superpowers are the nations on the permanent UN security council.

In before any one says Pakistan will never become a superpower - well Pakistan never claims, pretends, or aspires to be a superpower.

 

[akki]

You will be one the UNSC in two years? Please explain why you believe this. South Africa and Brazil also BRICS members but they dont have grand delusions of being a superpower.

You post proves the thread.

We would have got seat in unsc if your these days master china had no itching problem. Otherwise everything else was not much issue...but we are 100 percent sure we will be in UNSC in couple of years.

 

[hafeezrocks]

India has a handful of rich people among Hundreds of Millions living under extreme poverty.

Indians are the most desperate immigrants who want to leave their country and settle abroad, along with Philipinos. Tells a lot about the situation back home.

 

[KingKhanWC]

We would have got seat in unsc if your these days master china had no itching problem. Otherwise everything else was not much issue...but we are 100 percent sure we will be in UNSC in couple of years.

You're saying China stopped you. What will have changed in two years?

 

[akki]

Agree with the OP.

The reality is that certain goals must be met in order to be a superpower.

Let's take Global respect and Military clout as examples. There's not a single country in the world that respects India for what it is other than an opportunity to make money. Then there's military clout. India can never be a superpower in this respect, still kept at bay from Pakistan, despite all the claims of wars won etc, and even when India had the upper hand - as they woefully claim - couldn't finish the job. Then of course it takes a handful of people to flummox the mental security and status quo of India.

As the OP has pointed out, the only nations in contention of being superpowers are the nations on the permanent UN security council.

In before any one says Pakistan will never become a superpower - well Pakistan never claims, pretends, or aspires to be a superpower.

India never started a war against pakistan. It doesnt mean we are weak to any extent. You call modi a most pagal insan still he never took those decisions which your samajhdhar leaders took in past many times. If india doesnt have those points to be superpower then india does also not have any those point which says why india cannot be superpower....

 

[akki]

You're saying China stopped you. What will have changed in two years?

Yapp will be changed. Very large amount of hard work going on. Many countries openly supported india for unsc membership even some muslim countries. China will have to as well i am sure...

 

[KingKhanWC]

Agree with the OP.

The reality is that certain goals must be met in order to be a superpower.

Let's take Global respect and Military clout as examples. There's not a single country in the world that respects India for what it is other than an opportunity to make money. Then there's military clout. India can never be a superpower in this respect, still kept at bay from Pakistan, despite all the claims of wars won etc, and even when India had the upper hand - as they woefully claim - couldn't finish the job. Then of course it takes a handful of people to flummox the mental security and status quo of India.

As the OP has pointed out, the only nations in contention of being superpowers are the nations on the permanent UN security council.

In before any one says Pakistan will never become a superpower - well Pakistan never claims, pretends, or aspires to be a superpower.

Pakistanis are in touch with reality and are able to criticise their nation when the need arises. You will rarely see an Indian criticise their nation and instead they somehow taking the world by storm.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yapp will be changed. Very large amount of hard work going on. Many countries openly supported india for unsc membership even some muslim countries. China will have to as well i am sure...

Do you have any details of this hard work? What can you show me to say India is all set for a seat at the security council? You must know something nobody else knows, so please share.

 

[akki]

Pakistanis are in touch with reality and are able to criticise their nation when the need arises. You will rarely see an Indian criticise their nation and instead they somehow taking the world by storm.

Difference is one country is member of FATB and other country was praying to benot on watchlist. There are hell lot of land and sea difference between us ,how we are supposed to behave the same way?

 

[Varun]

Pakistanis are in touch with reality and are able to criticise their nation when the need arises. You will rarely see an Indian criticise their nation and instead they somehow taking the world by storm.

This is a feature on PakPassion, I admit. You get a certain kind of Indian poster here - me included. Other places online and offline will get you yet different ones. You can't use one group to generalize us all.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Difference is one country is member of FATB and other country was praying to benot on watchlist. There are hell lot of land and sea difference between us ,how we are supposed to behave the same way?

Dp you mean the FATF?

Luxembourg is also a member lol

 

[akki]

Pakistanis are in touch with reality and are able to criticise their nation when the need arises. You will rarely see an Indian criticise their nation and instead they somehow taking the world by storm.

We also criticize our country alot. You have no idea.

 

[DeadBall]

Typical identity crisis post. At least most of these Indians were born and still live in India trying to better it.

 

[Pakistanian]

Typical identity crisis post. At least most of these Indians were born and still live in India trying to better it.

Actually a lot of them don't.

 

[DeadBall]

Actually a lot of them don't.

Don't what.

 

[Pakistanian]

Don't what.

Just don't

 

[DeadBall]

Just don't

Just don't call you out on your hypocrisy? Ok.

 

[Pakistanian]

Just don't call you out on your hypocrisy? Ok.

They just don't.

 

[DeadBall]

They just don't.

You are a self proclaimed first generation ABCD, what are you whining about.

 

[Slog]

Don't think Indians seriously believe they are a superpower either

There are many problems with India and in a nutshell they are a third world country with several social problems and economic inequality

But on a macro level their economy is doing well and as a country they are going in the right direction generally speaking.

So there's nothing wrong with Indians taking pride in that

As Pakistanis we'd be better served to try to better our own country than have an attitude of 'Hey, we are in a dump but so are you'

 

[DeadBall]

Don't think Indians seriously believe they are a superpower either

There are many problems with India and in a nutshell they are a third world country with several social problems and economic inequality

But on a macro level their economy is doing well and as a country they are going in the right direction generally speaking.

So there's nothing wrong with Indians taking pride in that

As Pakistanis we'd be better served to try to better our own country than have an attitude of 'Hey, we are in a dump but so are you'

But then we would not be Pakistanis. We like to compare ourselves with the worst and then just use the cop out that at least we are better than them.

 

[akki]

Don't think Indians seriously believe they are a superpower either

There are many problems with India and in a nutshell they are a third world country with several social problems and economic inequality

But on a macro level their economy is doing well and as a country they are going in the right direction generally speaking.

So there's nothing wrong with Indians taking pride in that

As Pakistanis we'd be better served to try to better our own country than have an attitude of 'Hey, we are in a dump but so are you'

This i fully agree.

 

[KingKhanWC]

This i fully agree.

Im still waiting for some information as to why you believe India will be a member of the UNSC in a couple of years?

 

[sjahmed23]

Don't think Indians seriously believe they are a superpower either

There are many problems with India and in a nutshell they are a third world country with several social problems and economic inequality

But on a macro level their economy is doing well and as a country they are going in the right direction generally speaking.

So there's nothing wrong with Indians taking pride in that

As Pakistanis we'd be better served to try to better our own country than have an attitude of 'Hey, we are in a dump but so are you'

We Pakistanis are too cynical to improve our situation. Everything is because of corruption to our eyes and too difficult to solve.

 

[Oxfordchamp]

Yeah but Canada is way better than India yet Indians here are acting like India's better and Canada is mooching off of them :

It's not a matter of India better or if Canada is better....it's purely a matter of India's global influence and outlook and vice versa..All the top nations acknowledge India's rise as an economic superpower and stable democracy...that's why every leader of all top countries visit India and in turn roll out red carpet for India s leaders.. This includes USA Canada Germany Britain France Russia Japan Australia China etc...when was the last time any of these visited pakistan...

 

[PakLFC]

Militarily, India is no superpower at all. They do have powerful soft power and are better then Pak at diplomacy. With massive poverty and incredibly overpopulated it's priority should be feeding it's people and resolving border disputes with Pak and China. Funny thing is that many Indian's compare their country to Europe, America and Canada True, they have many billionaires and lots of reserves as well only that such things never benefit their downtrodden.

 

[R3verse Swing]

It's not a matter of India better or if Canada is better....it's purely a matter of India's global influence and outlook and vice versa..All the top nations acknowledge India's rise as an economic superpower and stable democracy...that's why every leader of all top countries visit India and in turn roll out red carpet for India s leaders.. This includes USA Canada Germany Britain France Russia Japan Australia China etc...when was the last time any of these visited pakistan...

Modi visited Pakistan in 2015.

 

[akki]

Im still waiting for some information as to why you believe India will be a member of the UNSC in a couple of years?

Just recently iranian president fully supported india bjd for UN. USA went out of his way for india membership in UN. Many countries supported. Its all hard work and diplomacy . Except china no other country has any issue.i am sure it will be tackled .

 

[Tusker]

India claims Pakistan (much smaller nation) causes trouble for them but has no means of stopping Pakistan.

And then people here wonder why the world looks at Pakistan differently when this sort of brazen shameless rogue mentality is widespread amongst pakistanis

 

[big_gamer007]

Which Indian here claims India is a superpower? Can you name those posters?
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

 

[big_gamer007]

Militarily, India is no superpower at all. They do have powerful soft power and are better then Pak at diplomacy. With massive poverty and incredibly overpopulated it's priority should be feeding it's people and resolving border disputes with Pak and China. Funny thing is that many Indian's compare their country to Europe, America and Canada True, they have many billionaires and lots of reserves as well only that such things never benefit their downtrodden.

You have mellowed down quite considerably.. What happened?

 

[big_gamer007]

Don't think Indians seriously believe they are a superpower either

There are many problems with India and in a nutshell they are a third world country with several social problems and economic inequality

But on a macro level their economy is doing well and as a country they are going in the right direction generally speaking.

So there's nothing wrong with Indians taking pride in that

As Pakistanis we'd be better served to try to better our own country than have an attitude of 'Hey, we are in a dump but so are you'

Mate you would be surprised so called educated Indians with nationalistic jingoism actually believe we are a superpower.. We have our fair share of morons..

At the end of the day We might become a military superpower though not as good as NATO because we still lack technological development and rely on other countries for defence deals.. However we would never be able to achieve the standard of living in developed countries, because of the size of our population and concentration of wealth and corrupt/power culture we will always have substandard standard of living at best..

The day our country can match the standard of living if west I’ll be proud.. Till then it’s just a continuous effort to improve.. I don’t think it will ever happen but let’s see..

 

[English August]

Strawman argument.

India isn't a superpower. Yet.

But that doesn't mean Canada is. Neither does it mean Canada is important to India. Neither does it mean JT isn't an idiot.

 

[big_gamer007]

Strawman argument.

India isn't a superpower. Yet.

But that doesn't mean Canada is. Neither does it mean Canada is important to India. Neither does it mean JT isn't an idiot.

You use JT thread as a launching pad to start this idiotic thread. Waste of space.

I would rather our country be like Canada in terms of standard of living than be some pseudo super power with 1/3rd of the population not being able to afford 3 meals a day.. What exactly does being such a superpower achieve?

You see Indians leaving their homes to go to Canada how many do you see in reverse direction?

Anyways I agree with your point that The thread was just started to troll and demean Indians.

 

[English August]

Indians are the most desperate immigrants who want to leave their country and settle abroad, along with Philipinos. Tells a lot about the situation back home.

You do know that on a per capita basis, more Pakistanis have emigrated out of their country than Indians? For Pakistan, it's 3.05%, for India it is 2.17%.

I don't what does this say about "situation back home", but you're welcome.

Oops.

 

[iHammad]

Why are we so obsessed with India? Who cares if they are a superpower or not? How does that benefit Pakistan?

Let's focus on our own country first.

 

[PakLFC]

You have mellowed down quite considerably.. What happened?

I am always mellow. Just a misunderstood angel

 

[IAJ]

Just recently iranian president fully supported india bjd for UN. USA went out of his way for india membership in UN. Many countries supported. Its all hard work and diplomacy . Except china no other country has any issue.i am sure it will be tackled .

I have read many posts here in past where Indians say they don’t care about what UN says about Kashmir issue, so why this urgency for the permanent seat? Seems like double standard to me.

Anyways I think muslims should be more worried than indians for not having a seat in UNSC, not a single coyntry and this shows where muslims stand as a «unity» and what other countries think of us.

India could have got a Seat there but then the preassure would have been on the other nations to include Pakistan which they don’t want and to give a Seat to Pakistan would mean they have give to India as well and China would never want that.

In international politics Pak and Ind can not be seperated. An example is when Malala got the Nobel peace prize. But since this prize has alot of value internationally they also had to give it to an Indian, otherwise US would not have been happy. The Indian guy had surely done very good things in his country but not many here in Norway even knew who he was. They were really surprised.

 

[Rinnegan Sasuke]

Who cares? Pointless discussion.

 

[akki]

I have read many posts here in past where Indians say they don’t care about what UN says about Kashmir issue, so why this urgency for the permanent seat? Seems like double standard to me.

Anyways I think muslims should be more worried than indians for not having a seat in UNSC, not a single coyntry and this shows where muslims stand as a «unity» and what other countries think of us.

India could have got a Seat there but then the preassure would have been on the other nations to include Pakistan which they don’t want and to give a Seat to Pakistan would mean they have give to India as well and China would never want that.

In international politics Pak and Ind can not be seperated. An example is when Malala got the Nobel peace prize. But since this prize has alot of value internationally they also had to give it to an Indian, otherwise US would not have been happy. The Indian guy had surely done very good things in his country but not many here in Norway even knew who he was. They were really surprised.

Dude leave everything ,just dnt include india and pakistan in the same sentence,i am sure many pakistanis wont like it and neither any indians.
If it was not china india wud have got oermannet membership in UN. All countries support india for that wheras for pakistan ,it was only china and that too was saying if you want to include india then include pakistan as well.
India deaperately wants to be in UN and pakistan desperately wants india to be not at there...because pakistan never have had any chance there.
There is one more sumit where i guess china is not included whereas india and other big nations included ? I am not able to recall that forum??

 

[jagatk]

I have read many posts here in past where Indians say they don’t care about what UN says about Kashmir issue, so why this urgency for the permanent seat? Seems like double standard to me.

Anyways I think muslims should be more worried than indians for not having a seat in UNSC, not a single coyntry and this shows where muslims stand as a «unity» and what other countries think of us.

India could have got a Seat there but then the preassure would have been on the other nations to include Pakistan which they don’t want and to give a Seat to Pakistan would mean they have give to India as well and China would never want that.

In international politics Pak and Ind can not be seperated. An example is when Malala got the Nobel peace prize. But since this prize has alot of value internationally they also had to give it to an Indian, otherwise US would not have been happy. The Indian guy had surely done very good things in his country but not many here in Norway even knew who he was. They were really surprised.

I think you are confusing NSG membership with UNSC, no one in this world including China has ever said or acted in any way to suggest that Pakistan will ever get a UNSC Permanent Seat. On the other hand China is the one and only issue with india getting into UNSC, If modi gets another term NSG membership will be sorted out before that is done.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Just recently iranian president fully supported india bjd for UN. USA went out of his way for india membership in UN. Many countries supported. Its all hard work and diplomacy . Except china no other country has any issue.i am sure it will be tackled .

Pakistan and India are already members of the UN. I think you mean UNSC where members are included on a 2 year basis, barring the PUNSC which has 5 permanent members.

Not sure how Iran President can help when Iran's own request was denied. Plus China would veto any vote on India wanting to join the PUNSC.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I have read many posts here in past where Indians say they don’t care about what UN says about Kashmir issue, so why this urgency for the permanent seat? Seems like double standard to me.

Anyways I think muslims should be more worried than indians for not having a seat in UNSC, not a single coyntry and this shows where muslims stand as a «unity» and what other countries think of us.

India could have got a Seat there but then the preassure would have been on the other nations to include Pakistan which they don’t want and to give a Seat to Pakistan would mean they have give to India as well and China would never want that.

In international politics Pak and Ind can not be seperated. An example is when Malala got the Nobel peace prize. But since this prize has alot of value internationally they also had to give it to an Indian, otherwise US would not have been happy. The Indian guy had surely done very good things in his country but not many here in Norway even knew who he was. They were really surprised.

Why will there be pressure on nations to give Pakistan a seat? Who will put that pressure? Which countries will support Pakistan? Except China and Turkey no one else seems to be supporting Pakistan.


Its laughable to say Kailash Satyarthi got Nobel prize because of hyphenation of India and pakistan. The de hyphenation has been done for more than a decade ago.

 

[indipper]

Who cares about a seat, its the 1/3rd poor people who need to have a better if in order for India to become a super power. Few rich people dont make one a superpower.


And as for Pakistanis, Imagine the power you had if you were still united with sub-continent. This is why you were made by the enemies at first place.

 

[Lonewarrior]

for those who think that india will get PUNSC, mark my words. India wont get it. not now and not in couple of years. P5 is the power which no member want to share it with the 6th new member.
and if any country deserve the 6th Seat is Germany or Japan. not India.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Typical identity crisis post. At least most of these Indians were born and still live in India trying to better it.

Would be nice if we had more home based Pakistanis posting here with a similar attitude I suppose.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Funny thing is that many Indian's compare their country to Europe, America and Canada .

What in the world are you on about ? No sane Indian would compare living conditions in India to any of the countries you mentioned................

 

[jusarrived]

India has a handful of rich people among Hundreds of Millions living under extreme poverty.

Indians are the most desperate immigrants who want to leave their country and settle abroad, along with Philipinos. Tells a lot about the situation back home.

India has just twice the number of people living abroad in comparison to Pakistan , considering our population is 7 times more ..you know whos desperate ?

 

[Test champion]

India isn't superpower yet but on the right path of becoming super power near 2035 . China desperately want to superpower tag but like Russia they don't get it because of USA .

 

[hussain123]

What was the need to create a thread about it?obviously india ain't a superpower and will take it another 3 4 decades to even be in the reckoning.even china with its 12.3 trillion economy(in nominal terms) isn't one.

 

[Syed1]

Even China doesn't think of itself as a superpower and it is atleast 25-30 years ahead of India.

 

[jagatk]

Even China doesn't think of itself as a superpower and it is atleast 25-30 years ahead of India.

India doesn't either, sadly trying to show how India is a failed poor country seems to be the only enjoyable pastime for a few on here.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Don't think anyone thinks that India will be a superpower except a few who like to chest thump with rhetoric. We don't have the resources or the industrial capacity to be one. However, we certainly can be a strong regional power and that's all the Indian state aspires to be really.

 

[Slog]

India has just twice the number of people living abroad in comparison to Pakistan , considering our population is 7 times more ..you know whos desperate ?

Highly doubt that statistic.

In North American alone it's almost 9-10 times.

Also if you start including Indian origin or multiple generations then it would be even higher

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Highly doubt that statistic.

In North American alone it's almost 9-10 times.

Also if you start including Indian origin or multiple generations then it would be even higher

Indians have been in a lot of countries for multiple generations. There's a lot of them in Africa and the Caribbean for instance. But that was in the past when Indian wasn't a super power, might be different now.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Indians have been in a lot of countries for multiple generations. There's a lot of them in Africa and the Caribbean for instance. But that was in the past when Indian wasn't a super power, might be different now.

Technically they are not Indian as the lose their citizenship and right to vote in India.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Technically they are not Indian as the lose their citizenship and right to vote in India.

I hope they don't own any restaurants then, would hate to see them pretending to sell authentic Indian food.

 

[Napa]

Don't think Indians seriously believe they are a superpower either

Is there a single post by an Indian poster saying India is a superpower?

This thread is funny. First something is made up by the OP. Then arguments are offered against the made up stuff, again by the OP.

An accurate assessment would be that India is probably the 8th ranked economy (behind the US, Germany, China, Japan, France, England and Italy) taking into account total GDP, level of technology, success of high tech industries like pharma, software, auto manufacturing, space etc. It headed towards becoming the third ranked economy in a couple of decades if the current rate of progress continues, though there are many pitfalls ahead.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Is there a single post by an Indian poster saying India is a superpower?

This thread is funny. First something is made up by the OP. Then arguments are offered against the made up stuff, again by the OP.

An accurate assessment would be that India is probably the 8th ranked economy (behind the US, Germany, China, Japan, France, England and Italy) taking into account total GDP, level of technology, success of high tech industries like pharma, software, auto manufacturing, space etc. It headed towards becoming the third ranked economy in a couple of decades if the current rate of progress continues, though there are many pitfalls ahead.

Oh please, leave it out. The way some Indian posters on PP post, and based on anecdotal evidence, Indians like to believe the world revolves around them. Since when? The past 10 years?

You yourself are guilty of this bravado and incessant boasting and gloating in the post above. You talk about GDP? I got news for you. India’s GDP may stand at a nominal 6.3%, but you FAIL to mention India’s inflation with doesn’t eat, but munches, through nominal GDP at the tune of around 5%. So in terms of value all India has to show for it is a meagre growth of 1%. This is on par with Pakistan (after factoring in inflation).

Software is on the decline, I can vouch for this. Auto manufacturing may benefit India, but not the rest of the world unlike other superpowers. Who buys Indian cars abroad as an example? Tech? Gove me some example of Indian tech used worldwide. Can you?

As for Space? Why aim for Mars when India has bigger problems at home. Don’t you think money is better spent on tackling the 800 MILLION who live below the breadline and education line? But no landing on Mars is an achievement?

Your post is precisely why Indians believe they are on the verge of being a superpower, when in reality, India is anything but. The real sadness is you do not even realise.

 

[OoparCut]

Software is on the decline, I can vouch for this. .

LoL. You can "vouch" for this? Do you have any idea how many billions flow into India every year from IT?

Btw, anytime there is a banking transaction anywhere in the world using SWIFT, its using software written by Indians. That's an example of tech for you. The greenvy is entertaining, keep it flowing!

 

[R3verse Swing]

LoL. You can "vouch" for this? Do you have any idea how many billions flow into India every year from IT?

Btw, anytime there is a banking transaction anywhere in the world using SWIFT, its using software written by Indians. That's an example of tech for you. The greenvy is entertaining, keep it flowing!

Software is not the same as IT staff.

And stop lying about SWIFT program.

SWIFT was founded in Brussels in 1973 under the leadership of its inaugural CEO Carl Reuterskiöld (1973–1983) and was supported by 239 banks in fifteen countries. It started to establish common standards for financial transactions and a shared data processing system and worldwide communications network designed by Logica.[5] Fundamental operating procedures, rules for liability, etc., were established in 1975 and the first message was sent in 1977. SWIFT's first United States operating center was inaugurated by Governor John N. Dalton of Virginia in 1979.[6]

https://www.swift.com/about-us/history

Come back with evidence instead of lies. We get it, easier to dupe Indians in India, with lies for the sake of a pretentious image. Outside of India, game over.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Oh please, leave it out. The way some Indian posters on PP post, and based on anecdotal evidence, Indians like to believe the world revolves around them. Since when? The past 10 years?

You yourself are guilty of this bravado and incessant boasting and gloating in the post above. You talk about GDP? I got news for you. India’s GDP may stand at a nominal 6.3%, but you FAIL to mention India’s inflation with doesn’t eat, but munches, through nominal GDP at the tune of around 5%. So in terms of value all India has to show for it is a meagre growth of 1%. This is on par with Pakistan (after factoring in inflation).

Software is on the decline, I can vouch for this. Auto manufacturing may benefit India, but not the rest of the world unlike other superpowers. Who buys Indian cars abroad as an example? Tech? Gove me some example of Indian tech used worldwide. Can you?

As for Space? Why aim for Mars when India has bigger problems at home. Don’t you think money is better spent on tackling the 800 MILLION who live below the breadline and education line? But no landing on Mars is an achievement?

Your post is precisely why Indians believe they are on the verge of being a superpower, when in reality, India is anything but. The real sadness is you do not even realise.

Nail on the head. I really dont understand why so many Indians get so defensive when they themselves reguarly claim their nation is some sort of great power.

The point of this thread was to inform them, no sane discussion can take place when you are not in touch with reality.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Canada will stop uranium exports to India.

Software is on decline.

India should not spend on space programme.

800mn live below breadline. Lol.

GDP growth is only 1% or equal to Pakistan.

All this is true, because a certain PPer of Pakistan origin says so.

Well he better keep his sadness and his advise for our western neighbourhood, atleast help them get back full regular international cricket by major test teams.
[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION]

The lies are beyond ridiculous.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Highly doubt that statistic.

In North American alone it's almost 9-10 times.

Also if you start including Indian origin or multiple generations then it would be even higher

[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] shared some stats a few days ago. It was sometime around 1 immigrant for every 30 Pakistanis and 1 immigrant for every 90 Indians.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Nail on the head. I really dont understand why so many Indians get so defensive when they themselves reguarly claim their nation is some sort of great power.

The point of this thread was to inform them, no sane discussion can take place when you are not in touch with reality.

Yea you should get in touch with reality.

 

[BreadPakoda]

[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] shared some stats a few days ago. It was sometime around 1 immigrant for every 30 Pakistanis and 1 immigrant for every 90 Indians.

is around*
bah I'm sleepy

 

[Napa]

Oh please, leave it out. The way some Indian posters on PP post, and based on anecdotal evidence, Indians like to believe the world revolves around them. Since when? The past 10 years?

Not having found one Indian poster saying India is a superpower, you now change it to "Indians like to believe the world revolves around them". Again, you are making up a straw man.

You yourself are guilty of this bravado and incessant boasting and gloating in the post above.

Everything I said is factual. Saying India is currently the 8th ranked economy is quite objective, though others may fairly rank it as high as the 5th or 6th.

You talk about GDP? I got news for you. India’s GDP may stand at a nominal 6.3%, but you FAIL to mention India’s inflation with doesn’t eat, but munches, through nominal GDP at the tune of around 5%. So in terms of value all India has to show for it is a meagre growth of 1%. This is on par with Pakistan (after factoring in inflation).

Again delusional data. The real (and not nominal) growth rate averages 6% to 7%. Nobody who seriously understands economics talks about nominal growth rates.

Software is on the decline, I can vouch for this.

Unfortunately your "vouching" for anything doesn't have any value. TCS market cap is about $100B, and newcomer Cognizant is around $50B. Mistaking cyclical downturns for "decline" doesn't make you smart.

Auto manufacturing may benefit India, but not the rest of the world unlike other superpowers. Who buys Indian cars abroad as an example?

India exported $14.5B of automobiles in 2014. Number would be certainly higher in 2017.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry_in_India#Exports

Tech? Gove me some example of Indian tech used worldwide. Can you?

Lots of pharma, auto and software exports. Note, I said India has high-tech industries, I did not say anything about where the tech was produced. It could be by foreigners, by expat Indians, domestically...

As for Space? Why aim for Mars when India has bigger problems at home. Don’t you think money is better spent on tackling the 800 MILLION who live below the breadline and education line? But no landing on Mars is an achievement?

More delusional false data from you. The percentage of Indians below the poverty line is 21% and not 61% as you write. Also technological advancement has an important role to play in reducing poverty.

Your post is precisely why Indians believe they are on the verge of being a superpower, when in reality, India is anything but. The real sadness is you do not even realise.

I said India is about the 8th ranked economy. If you think that means "superpower" that is your choice.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yea you should get in touch with reality.

Sure but first explain a few things, I start with just two.

In the next few decades India's population is estimated to surpass China's, to around 1.5 billion. This will mean 500 million people just in one nation will be living in poverty, this will be more than double the population of Pakistan. With this in mind, how can you continously say India is an economic superpower? Do the lives of these people mean nothing?

Why is India struggling to get a seat at the UNSC, if you are such a powerful nation?

 

[Napa]

Canada will stop uranium exports to India.

Software is on decline.

India should not spend on space programme.

800mn live below breadline. Lol.

GDP growth is only 1% or equal to Pakistan.

All this is true, because a certain PPer of Pakistan origin says so.

Well he better keep his sadness and his advise for our western neighbourhood, atleast help them get back full regular international cricket by major test teams.

[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION]

The lies are beyond ridiculous.

Yes, quite absurd. See my reply in previous post

 

[R3verse Swing]

Nail on the head. I really dont understand why so many Indians get so defensive when they themselves reguarly claim their nation is some sort of great power.

The point of this thread was to inform them, no sane discussion can take place when you are not in touch with reality.

The media within India lies and takes advantage of the uneducated and insecure in India through cheap media for the sake of maintaining a fake image, and votes. It's the DailyMail/DailyStar on steroids. This thinking then seeps through on forums and social media worldwide. You have Indians claiming Canada is reaping handsome rewards by selling India Uranium, which is not the case in accordance to the world nuclear organisation as an example. You have a non-existent Middle Class in India according to IMF/Bloomberg/Economist despite a so called economic boom (1% a year is not an economic boom). Then you have political lies, such as India will join the PUNSC despite China vetoing it!

Outside of India, their media lies are torpedoed. I mean right above one guy claims SWIFT software was the brainchild of Indians, but the official SWIFT website says otherwise. No, the World is lying, not India!

 

[Napa]

Sure but first explain a few things, I start with just two.

In the next few decades India's population is estimated to surpass China's, to around 1.5 billion. This will mean 500 million people just in one nation will be living in poverty, this will be more than double the population of Pakistan. With this in mind, how can you continously say India is an economic superpower? Do the lives of these people mean nothing?

You are the one continuously saying India is an economic superpower because you apparently like creating straw men and knocking them down. Also, number of Indians below poverty line is about 260 million and on its way down.

Why is India struggling to get a seat at the UNSC, if you are such a powerful nation?

Figure it out yourself. Same reason Germany and Japan are not getting one.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Not having found one Indian poster saying India is a superpower, you now change it to "Indians like to believe the world revolves around them". Again, you are making up a straw man.





More delusional false data from you. The percentage of Indians below the poverty line is 21% and not 61% as you write. Also technological advancement has an important role to play in reducing poverty.



I said India is about the 8th ranked economy. If you think that means "superpower" that is your choice.

India accounted for the largest number of people living below international poverty line in 2013, with 30 per cent of its population under the $1.90-a- day poverty measure, the World Bank said.

https://www.businesstoday.in/curren...low-poverty-line-world-bank/story/238085.html

You are exactly the kind of poster the thread is aimed at. It counts for nothing being the 8th ranked economy when the ground reality is the massive number of people in poverty. A nation would rather be 30th ranked economy but have the majority of it's population having good living standards.

Plenty of posters like yourself keep making such claims regarding India being a powerful nation, the word 'superpower' doesnt have to used, just semantics.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Not having found one Indian poster saying India is a superpower, you now change it to "Indians like to believe the world revolves around them". Again, you are making up a straw man.



Everything I said is factual. Saying India is currently the 8th ranked economy is quite objective, though others may fairly rank it as high as the 5th or 6th.



Again delusional data. The real (and not nominal) growth rate averages 6% to 7%. Nobody who seriously understands economics talks about nominal growth rates.



Unfortunately your "vouching" for anything doesn't have any value. TCS market cap is about $100B, and newcomer Cognizant is around $50B. Mistaking cyclical downturns for "decline" doesn't make you smart.



India exported $14.5B of automobiles in 2014. Number would be certainly higher in 2017.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry_in_India#Exports



Lots of pharma, auto and software exports. Note, I said India has high-tech industries, I did not say anything about where the tech was produced. It could be by foreigners, by expat Indians, domestically...



More delusional false data from you. The percentage of Indians below the poverty line is 21% and not 61% as you write. Also technological advancement has an important role to play in reducing poverty.



I said India is about the 8th ranked economy. If you think that means "superpower" that is your choice.

Not a shred of evidence. Mere fallacious and unverified claims. But look! Must be true cos an Indian said so! Let's take your poverty claim. The Empowerment Line reveals that 56 percent of Indians, some 680 million, lack the means to meet their basic needs.

Next please.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You are the one continuously saying India is an economic superpower because you apparently like creating straw men and knocking them down. Also, number of Indians below poverty line is about 260 million and on its way down.



Figure it out yourself. Same reason Germany and Japan are not getting one.

I never suggested India is an econmic power. Show me.

260 million is a small number for you? China has reduced its poverty but there is no signs of Inida doing so which is one of the reasons people believe China will become a superpower (if it isn't already) and India wont.

 

[R3verse Swing]

You are the one continuously saying India is an economic superpower because you apparently like creating straw men and knocking them down. Also, number of Indians below poverty line is about 260 million and on its way down.

Figure it out yourself. Same reason Germany and Japan are not getting one.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-dobbs-/india-poverty-myths_b_5429858.html

https://www.businesstoday.in/curren...low-poverty-line-world-bank/story/238085.html

Don't use the term Strawman when you do not know what it means.

 

[Napa]

https://www.businesstoday.in/curren...low-poverty-line-world-bank/story/238085.html

You are exactly the kind of poster the thread is aimed at.

Unlike you, I am not delusional. I would never post any numbers without the backing of an authoratative source:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/in.html

 

[Napa]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-dobbs-/india-poverty-myths_b_5429858.html

https://www.businesstoday.in/curren...low-poverty-line-world-bank/story/238085.html

Don't use the term Strawman when you do not know what it means.

I understand what a straw man means very well. And the accepted term is "straw man" not "Strawman".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

The straw man here is you claiming that Indian posters have been posting that India is a superpower.