India is no superpower

[R3verse Swing]

I understand what a straw man means very well. And the accepted term is "straw man" not "Strawman".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

The straw man here is you claiming that Indian posters have been posting that India is a superpower.

There we have it, reduced to a pedantic and grammar argument. Even though the guy above used the term "Straw men".

Nothing to see here folks.

Just remember, the banking system would not exist without Indians, and all tech used by NASA is Indian, and Tesla owes it's existence to Indian automobile exports.

Brilliant!

 

[Napa]

I never suggested India is an econmic power. Show me.

What??? You have serious comprehension issues. I never said you suggested India is an econmic [sic] power. I referred to you writing "it seems Indians actually believe their nation is some sort of superpower".

 

[R3verse Swing]

What??? You have serious comprehension issues. I never said you suggested India is an econmic [sic] power. I referred to you writing "it seems Indians actually believe their nation is some sort of superpower".

Drum roll please.

You are the one continuously saying India is an economic superpower because you apparently like creating straw men and knocking them down. Also, number of Indians below poverty line is about 260 million and on its way down.

You know what the say about lies. Say 1 lie, you need another 100 lies to protect it.

 

[Napa]

There we have it, reduced to a pedantic and grammar argument. Even though the guy above used the term "Straw men".

Plural of straw man in straw men. I should start charging for English lessons.

Just remember, the banking system would not exist without Indians, and all tech used by NASA is Indian, and Tesla owes it's existence to Indian automobile exports.

Straw men.

 

[Napa]

Drum roll please.

You know what the say about lies. Say 1 lie, you need another 100 lies to protect it.

You are being silly now. The context makes it clear that I meant "You are the one continuously saying Indians say that India is an economic superpower".

 

[KingKhanWC]

What??? You have serious comprehension issues. I never said you suggested India is an econmic [sic] power. I referred to you writing "it seems Indians actually believe their nation is some sort of superpower".

lol.

You wrote

"You are the one continuously saying India is an economic superpower"

My comprehnsion would suggest this means, me saying(writing on here) India is an economic superpower which I never have.

You messed up as you did with regards India being safe for women so accept it and move on.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Plural of straw man in straw men. I should start charging for English lessons.



Straw men.

So I was right, your best defence is pedantry.

You need a refund on your English lessons. Will you accept INR?

 

[R3verse Swing]

You are being silly now. The context makes it clear that I meant "You are the one continuously saying Indians say that India is an economic superpower".

Ohhhh. So now it's about context when you have been arguing on the basis of pedantry.

How deep is that hole?

 

[Syed1]

[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] shared some stats a few days ago. It was sometime around 1 immigrant for every 30 Pakistanis and 1 immigrant for every 90 Indians.

There is a limit to how many immigrants a country allows in, more Indians are applying and moving abroad than any other nation which is a FACT.

 

[R3verse Swing]

There is a limit to how many immigrants a country allows in, more Indians are applying and moving abroad than any other nation which is a FACT.

This is a fact. This is why Modi was begging Theresa may to lift the quota on Indian immigrants to the UK.

Link from FINANCIAL TIMES: (behind Pay wall)

Immigration dominates Theresa May’s trade mission to India

https://www.ft.com/content/35094156-a4d4-11e6-8898-79a99e2a4de6

Theresa May’s first major trade mission as prime minister was dominated by the topic of immigration as the outlines of a post-Brexit trade deal with India remained barely visible.

The British prime minister and Narendra Modi, her Indian counterpart, exchanged warm words as they appeared alongside one another at both a technology conference and then at a lengthy meeting — for 90 minutes without advisers — at Hyderabad House.

Hanging over Mrs May’s three-day trip, however, has been the thorny issue of immigration, with India wanting a more flexible visa system as part of an eventual trade deal with Britain. On this the UK prime minister has not shown much appetite for giving way, as the vote for Brexit was driven to a large degree by concerns about the number of migrants coming to Britain.

She announced some limited measures to help wealthy Indians get special treatment at the point of entering the UK. But the prime minister told Mr Modi that further concessions were contingent on India taking action on the thousands of Indians who are thought to have overstayed their visas in Britain.

Downing Street wants India to make greater use of biometric data, for example, to make sure such people return to their homeland promptly.

“The UK will consider further improvements to our visa offer if at the same time we can step up the speed and volume of returns of Indians with no right to remain in the UK,” Mrs May said during a press conference.

Even then, it emerged later that the “improvements” to the UK’s system would only be to the service provided and not to the criteria around applications.

In theory the UK cannot strike new trade deals until it has left the EU, expected to be at some point after the spring of 2019. Yet ministers are keen to tour the world drumming up support for future agreements with key allies such as Australia, Canada and India.

For the past nine years India has struggled to agree a trade deal with the EU, in part because of Delhi’s demand for 80,000 work visas. The issue is returning, with Britain being told repeatedly by Indian ministers and business leaders that a relaxation in visa laws for business people, students and tourists alike could be crucial to striking a new Anglo-Indian deal.

Let the above sink in.

 

[OoparCut]

Software is not the same as IT staff.

And stop lying about SWIFT program.



https://www.swift.com/about-us/history

Come back with evidence instead of lies. We get it, easier to dupe Indians in India, with lies for the sake of a pretentious image. Outside of India, game over.

My Uncle personally worked on the Swift Project via Tata - which is an Indian company in case you didn't know. He's an IIT Bombay graduate. He still works for Swift today. But you don't have to take my word for it. I could care less if you believe it or not.

And its nice that you side-stepped my question about "software on the decline". Do you know how many billions flow into India via its IT industry every year?

 

[R3verse Swing]

My Uncle personally worked on the Swift Project via Tata - which is an Indian company in case you didn't know. He's an IIT Bombay graduate. He still works for Swift today. But you don't have to take my word for it. I could care less if you believe it or not.

And its nice that you side-stepped my question about "software on the decline". Do you know how many billions flow into India via its IT industry every year?

Nice story bro.

You are correct, I am not going to take your word for it.

Software from India is on the decline, the fact you have your uncle to show the contrary, speaks volumes.

If my Uncle had 4 wheels then he would be a bus!

 

[OoparCut]

This is a fact. This is why Modi was begging Theresa may to lift the quota on Indian immigrants to the UK.

Link from FINANCIAL TIMES: (behind Pay wall)

Immigration dominates Theresa May’s trade mission to India

https://www.ft.com/content/35094156-a4d4-11e6-8898-79a99e2a4de6



Let the above sink in.

Yeah, the Government of India has leverage to demand better access for its labor force into the heart of UK. So that its citizens don't have to die on the shores of Libya or Greece.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1387268

The Foreign Office (FO) Spokesperson Dr Mohammad Faisal on Sunday said a total of 33 Pakistanis were on board a ship that sank near Libya last week, according to a rescued Pakistani eyewitness.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1386440

The Pakistani ambassador to Greece wrote a letter to the Foreign Office (FO) earlier this month, detailing the dire state of Pakistani human trafficking victims in Greece and seeking urgent attention of the government to curtail the crisis-like situation, it emerged on Wednesday.
Pakistani illegal immigrants end up in detention centres in Greece, while some apply for an asylum. Jobless and penniless, they are then "trapped by criminals", who promise them access to other EU countries. But many of them perish on the way, Qaiser wrote.

The ambassador revealed that the human trafficking victims often resort to various crimes, while Pakistani teenaged boys and middleaged women "have become sex workers and look for clients every evening in public places".

Let that sink in.

 

[OoparCut]

Nice story bro.

You are correct, I am not going to take your word for it.

Software from India is on the decline, the fact you have your uncle to show the contrary, speaks volumes.

If my Uncle had 4 wheels then he would be a bus!

Its all a "story" bro. India sucks bro. Indians speak "bad English", and can't do anything with computers bro.

No point in dealing with facts to the intentionally blind and deaf bro. It would be like reading the Holy Quran to a buffalo bro.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Yeah, the Government of India has leverage to demand better access for its labor force into the heart of UK. So that its citizens don't have to die on the shores of Libya or Greece.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1387268



https://www.dawn.com/news/1386440



Let that sink in.

Paraphrasing my words means everything to me. It only proves how easy Indians are duped and tow the line.

Libya and Greece are irrelevant, what is relevant is your inability to cite evidence. Alas! Lies do not have evidence.

Next.

 

[R3verse Swing]

My Uncle’s middle name was Armstrong. Ergo, Pakistanis were the first on the moon. No folks it is true, my uncle told me so!

He he - oh, and ha!

 

[OoparCut]

Paraphrasing my words means everything to me. It only proves how easy Indians are duped and tow the line.

Libya and Greece are irrelevant, what is relevant is your inability to cite evidence. Alas! Lies do not have evidence.

Next.

LOL. Evidence? Which military Jernail appointed you a judge to review evidence? Carry on trolling bro.

 

[OoparCut]

Hey, your Uncle said so, so must be true.

Naah. Indians don't know anything about software, all of them only work at call centers.

Keep the envy flowing, its entertaining! This entire thread is such a lol-worthy example of chest-beating jealousy. Whatever helps you cry yourself to sleep at night.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Naah. Indians don't know anything about software, all of them only work at call centers.

Keep the envy flowing, its entertaining! This entire thread is such a lol-worthy example of chest-beating jealousy. Whatever helps you cry yourself to sleep at night.

Spot on. Call centres. Far cry from writing software. SWIFT. What a hoot!

India is not the envy of the world.

But hey, the only chest thumping is your uncle's story, which at best is Jackanory.

Best!

 

[cricketjoshila]

Sure but first explain a few things, I start with just two.

In the next few decades India's population is estimated to surpass China's, to around 1.5 billion. This will mean 500 million people just in one nation will be living in poverty, this will be more than double the population of Pakistan. With this in mind, how can you continously say India is an economic superpower? Do the lives of these people mean nothing?

Why is India struggling to get a seat at the UNSC, if you are such a powerful nation?

India's below poverty line population was 21% couple of years back and decreasing so that 500mn figure makes no sense. India is projected to be a 5tn plus economy and world's 3rd largest around this time next decade.

Fertility rate in India is 2.3 . Just above the 2.1 replacement level fertility.

So in 10yrs an avg Indian will be having more money than he is having today.

Germany Japan India are all trying for UNSC seats and none have succeded. Doesnt mean they are not powerful countries.

 

[cricketjoshila]

My Uncle personally worked on the Swift Project via Tata - which is an Indian company in case you didn't know. He's an IIT Bombay graduate. He still works for Swift today. But you don't have to take my word for it. I could care less if you believe it or not.

And its nice that you side-stepped my question about "software on the decline". Do you know how many billions flow into India via its IT industry every year?

TCS signed deals worth 6bn USD in last few months.

https://m.timesofindia.com/business...racts-in-a-month/amp_articleshow/62532002.cms


A salty guy wishing death to indian software industry wont make it the fact. The burn is real for these people. So let them have their dose of burnol. Thats all they can do.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Aunty ji in da house.

Indian source, is best known as sauce.

No one wished death on Indian's software industry. Can you spell insecure and ignorance?

 

[KingKhanWC]

India's below poverty line population was 21% couple of years back and decreasing so that 500mn figure makes no sense. India is projected to be a 5tn plus economy and world's 3rd largest around this time next decade.

Fertility rate in India is 2.3 . Just above the 2.1 replacement level fertility.

So in 10yrs an avg Indian will be having more money than he is having today.

Germany Japan India are all trying for UNSC seats and none have succeded. Doesnt mean they are not powerful countries.

This is more accurate.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-dobbs-/india-poverty-myths_b_5429858.html

Japan and Germany are much smaller nations compared to India. They both have strong economies but little geo-political influence as both tend to stay netural in world affairs.

 

[cricketjoshila]

LOL. Evidence? Which military Jernail appointed you a judge to review evidence? Carry on trolling bro.

Hundreds of Pakistanis are claiming refugee status some even trying to pass themselves as syrians to enter Europe.


http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...going-as-refugees-to-Greece-(and-then-Europe)

It was discussed here on PP. But the salty guy may have not been allowed here then.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...-migrants-registered-70-countries-Hungary/amp

 

[R3verse Swing]

This is more accurate.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-dobbs-/india-poverty-myths_b_5429858.html

Japan and Germany are much smaller nations compared to India. They both have strong economies but little geo-political influence as both tend to stay netural in world affairs.

Yup, 680 Million live in poverty in India, and this is just a conservative estimate.

And here's how they lower the poverty number, they simply lower the price of survival. From $1.90, to $1.50 - wipes out 200 Million from poverty. Reduce this to 1$, and you have a much lower level of poverty. Begs the question, what can be bought for a 1$ and at what standards. Certainly no where near the non existent middle class.

India has a hole where its middle class should be

Hold your elephants. The Indian middle class conjured up by the marketers and consultants scarcely exists. Firms peddling anything much beyond soap, matches and phone-credit are targeting a minuscule slice of the population (see article). The top 1% of Indian adults, a rich enclave of 8m inhabitants making at least $20,000 a year, equates to roughly Hong Kong in terms of population and average income. The next 9% is akin to central Europe, in the middle of the global wealth pack. The next 40% of India’s population neatly mirrors its combined South Asian poor neighbours, Bangladesh and Pakistan. The remaining half-billion or so are on a par with the most destitute bits of Africa. To be sure, global companies take the markets of central Europe seriously. Plenty of fortunes have been made there. But they are no China.

Centre parting

Worse, the chances of India developing a middle class to match the Middle Kingdom’s are being throttled by growing inequality. The top 1% of earners pocketed nearly a third of all the extra income generated by economic growth between 1980 and 2014, according to new research from economists including Thomas Piketty. The well-off are ten times richer now than in 1980; those at the median have not even doubled their income. India has done a good job at getting those earning below $2 a day (at purchasing-power parity) to $3, but it has not matched other countries’ records in getting those on $3 a day to earning $5, those at $5 a day to $10, and so on. Middle earners in countries at India’s stage of development usually take more of the gains from growth. Eight in ten Indians cite inequality as a big problem, on a par with corruption.

https://www.economist.com/news/lead...dia-has-hole-where-its-middle-class-should-be

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is more accurate.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-dobbs-/india-poverty-myths_b_5429858.html

Japan and Germany are much smaller nations compared to India. They both have strong economies but little geo-political influence as both tend to stay netural in world affairs.

MGI doesnt get to create new guidelines and so called a new cricteria of "empowerment line" and then ask countries to adhere to it.

The MGI can devise whatever new crictetia they want its their academic issue.

There are global standards set by global credible agencies to determine the poverty line and India follows that.

Wonder why mckinsey didnt do this for other countries but it did suggest that by 2022 only around 1% of Indias population will be below the "empowerment line".
I will take that prediction even if it comes true by 2025


https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/m.timesofindia.com/india/India-can-lift-580-million-people-above-empowerment-line-McKinsey/amp_articleshow/31349831.cms

Seems everyone thinks India has a bright future ahead.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is more accurate.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-dobbs-/india-poverty-myths_b_5429858.html

Japan and Germany are much smaller nations compared to India. They both have strong economies but little geo-political influence as both tend to stay netural in world affairs.

Japan and Germany have little influence. Lol. They have far more influence than most countries. You have no idea. Then again you probably think nukes are the only means of influence. Lol

 

[R3verse Swing]

Japan and Germany have little influence. Lol. They have far more influence than most countries. You have no idea. Then again you probably think nukes are the only means of influence. Lol

Good lord.

Japan does NOT have nuclear weapons.

What Japan has is a surplus in trade, same as Germany.

Please, PLEASE, do your homework! You are embarrassing yourself. Surplus in trade is what makes Japan and Germany powerful!

Honestly, the born of today!

 

[KingKhanWC]

MGI doesnt get to create new guidelines and so called a new cricteria of "empowerment line" and then ask countries to adhere to it.

The MGI can devise whatever new crictetia they want its their academic issue.

There are global standards set by global credible agencies to determine the poverty line and India follows that.

Wonder why mckinsey didnt do this for other countries but it did suggest that by 2022 only around 1% of Indias population will be below the "empowerment line".
I will take that prediction even if it comes true by 2025


https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/m.ti...nt-line-McKinsey/amp_articleshow/31349831.cms

Seems everyone thinks India has a bright future ahead.

What is a bright future?

The evidence has been provide also on post 86 but if you as an Indian are confident poverty will reduce in the next few years then we will wait and see.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Japan and Germany have little influence. Lol. They have far more influence than most countries. You have no idea. Then again you probably think nukes are the only means of influence. Lol

They are economic powerhouses but have little influence in dicating global or regional foriegn policies. They like to remain neutral on most occasions.

India used to have influence over the Maldives now China has taken over this country.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Good lord.

Japan does NOT have nuclear weapons.

What Japan has is a surplus in trade, same as Germany.

Please, PLEASE, do your homework! You are embarrassing yourself. Surplus in trade is what makes Japan and Germany powerful!

Honestly, the born of today!

When did i say Japan has nukes? Lol.

Read and read and read again.

But knowing you, you probably never do that, thats why you lie and then get caught.

Lol at Japan and Germany only having trade surpluses as their only power lol.

 

[R3verse Swing]

When did i say Japan has nukes? Lol.

Read and read and read again.

But knowing you, you probably never do that, thats why you lie and then get caught.

Lol at Japan and Germany only having trade surpluses as their only power lol.

Oh my god.

Who said Japan and Germany ONLY have a surplus?

Get a grip.

 

[R3verse Swing]

India used to have influence over the Maldives now China has taken over this country.

Ouch!

 

[cricketjoshila]

What is a bright future?

The evidence has been provide also on post 86 but if you as an Indian are confident poverty will reduce in the next few years then we will wait and see.

Mckinsey the same reference you used predicts that only 1% of Indias people may be below poverty line by 2022.

We have reduced it to 212% and going down. Thats not my stat but based on world bank cricteria.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Reduce living standards to 1$, and you have almost wiped out world poverty. Reduce it to 50 cents, and there's near zero poverty in India.

Now, take a look at INR vs USD, it has weakened in the last 5 years. From 55 to 65.

The penny dropped yet?

Maths does not lie.

 

[cricketjoshila]

They are economic powerhouses but have little influence in dicating global or regional foriegn policies. They like to remain neutral on most occasions.

India used to have influence over the Maldives now China has taken over this country.

The opposition is fighting a pitched battle and Maldives is under emergency, judges are being arrested, lawmakers incacerated thats how desperate the Chinese supporting Maldivian president is. He is having to fight to keep his place let alone get China a big influence. All this without India stepping in, despite the Maldivian opposition asking India to intervene, even militarily.

They have a lot of influence in regional policies. They are hardly neutral. For eg. Japan is known for its very anti chinese stance.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Mckinsey the same reference you used predicts that only 1% of Indias people may be below poverty line by 2022.

We have reduced it to 212% and going down. Thats not my stat but based on world bank cricteria.

That will be 22% and not 212%.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Ouch!

It's a bit of an embarrasment for India who thinks its a big power.

In 1988 Indian military helped it's puppet but since then has been losing its grip on the islands. Maldives cancelled a $500M contract with an Indian company and also signed a free trade deal with China. The previous leader of the Maldives has now called on India to interverne militiarly again but India has no power to do so agianst China now.

 

[R3verse Swing]

It's a bit of an embarrasment for India who thinks its a big power.

In 1988 Indian military helped it's puppet but since then has been losing its grip on the islands. Maldives cancelled a $500M contract with an Indian company and also signed a free trade deal with China. The previous leader of the Maldives has now called on India to interverne militiarly again but India has no power to do so agianst China now.

So we have a good idea who really is a super power.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's a bit of an embarrasment for India who thinks its a big power.

In 1988 Indian military helped it's puppet but since then has been losing its grip on the islands. Maldives cancelled a $500M contract with an Indian company and also signed a free trade deal with China. The previous leader of the Maldives has now called on India to interverne militiarly again but India has no power to do so agianst China now.

Lol. Is china interfering militarily in Maldives? Lol.

Did India interfere militarily in SL to remove Rajapakse?

Few months back India did interfere on behalf of Bhutan and China had to step back.

 

[OoparCut]

Lol. Is china interfering militarily in Maldives? Lol.

Did India interfere militarily in SL to remove Rajapakse?

Few months back India did interfere on behalf of Bhutan and China had to step back.

Why are you indulging the delusional children? All they can do is crow about how China is stronk now.

India doesn't need to intervene militarily in Maldives to get a friendly government in place. The current dictator is slowly but surely digging his own grave. All India has to do is wait and watch.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Lol. Is china interfering militarily in Maldives? Lol.

Did India interfere militarily in SL to remove Rajapakse?

Few months back India did interfere on behalf of Bhutan and China had to step back.

China didn't need to. India did in 1988 with Operation Cactus and now the calls for India to do so again have been ignored by the Indians. Maldives is a major embarrasment for India, again it's no shame on you so stop denying such realities.

 

[cricketjoshila]

China didn't need to. India did in 1988 with Operation Cactus and now the calls for India to do so again have been ignored by the Indians. Maldives is a major embarrasment for India, again it's no shame on you so stop denying such realities.

India did Operation Cactus at the request of then sitting president of Maldives and Maldivian govt. Here its the opposition that is asking for help. Two very different scenario.

The present president has declared emergency, arrested judges and opposition leaders and fighting his own people. He is digging a hole. People are starting to hate him and protestors are clashing with his armed personnels.He may removed by his own people and India can then become angel investors rebuilding a small nation

Or

Let it reach a stage where it seen as a "humanatarian issue" Then military intervention may be an option.Like 1971.

Oh btw unlike our western neighbour who think Afghanistan is a vassal state or a colony or their playground, we in India have no such feelings for any of our neighbours. We have proven our strength and resolve in Doklam, we will do it again if need be.

 

[DeadBall]

Operation Cactus is a cool name for an operation. The operation naming guy should get a promotion.

 

[Napa]

Naah. Indians don't know anything about software, all of them only work at call centers.

An Indian friend who works in a senior development job in Google (at a tender age of 38) said something interesting recently. Engineering projects in Google mostly have Hindi/Sanskrit names? Why? Because, Google engineering is dominated by Indians, and they are not shy about that fact.

Google is the absolute world leader when it comes to software.

 

[Napa]

Now, take a look at INR vs USD, it has weakened in the last 5 years. From 55 to 65.

Given that you were previously comparing Pakistan to India (post #62), currency rates should be the last thing you want to talk about.

 

[Napa]

You messed up as you did with regards India being safe for women so accept it and move on.

Unlike you, I am not delusional, so I form opinions about issues (such as safety of women in India) based data from the real world.

 

[cricketjoshila]

An Indian friend who works in a senior development job in Google (at a tender age of 38) said something interesting recently. Engineering projects in Google mostly have Hindi/Sanskrit names? Why? Because, Google engineering is dominated by Indians, and they are not shy about that fact.

Google is the absolute world leader when it comes to software.

Remind me what Sundar Pichai does at google? Does google compensate him to the tune of almost 200mn usd a year to be a call center guy?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Given that you were previously comparing Pakistan to India (post #62), currency rates should be the last thing you want to talk about.

Not to forget India has amassed a Forex reserve in excess of 400bn usd. Also a usd to inr value in 60 to 65 range helps keep the exports competitive. One of the reasons why china keeps their currency artificially depressed.

USD also has appreciated againist all currencies in last few years.

But i think this much financials and economics will be too much for some.

 

[English August]

You talk about GDP? I got news for you. India’s GDP may stand at a nominal 6.3%, but you FAIL to mention India’s inflation with doesn’t eat, but munches, through nominal GDP at the tune of around 5%. So in terms of value all India has to show for it is a meagre growth of 1%. This is on par with Pakistan (after factoring in inflation).

Someone please bookmark this post for the sake for posterity. This paragraph should be mandatory reading for all students of Economics.





NOT!

It should be mandatory reading for the comedy school!!!!

Pure gold!

 

[Napa]

To my post:

Again delusional data. The real (and not nominal) growth rate averages 6% to 7%. Nobody who seriously understands economics talks about nominal growth rates.

Unfortunately your "vouching" for anything doesn't have any value. TCS market cap is about $100B, and newcomer Cognizant is around $50B. Mistaking cyclical downturns for "decline" doesn't make you smart.

India exported $14.5B of automobiles in 2014. Number would be certainly higher in 2017.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry_in_India#Exports

Lots of pharma, auto and software exports.

came the reply:

Not a shred of evidence. Mere fallacious and unverified claims. But look! Must be true cos an Indian said so!

Stuff that I made up just for fun, or must be a lie because and Indian said it:

1) India's real growth rate is around 6% to 7% in recent years.

(World Bank is similarly deluded: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?cid=GPD_30&locations=IN)

2) TCS market cap is about $100 B.

(Yahoo Finance is similarly deluded: https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/TCS.BO?p=TCS.BO)

3) Sun Pharma, Lupin, Dr. Reddy's Lab, Cipla etc. don't really exist, I just made up stuff.

4) The auto industry in India doesn't really manufacture 25 million vehicles, just stuff I dreamt up.

5) There is "Not a shred of evidence" that the world exists. It is all "Mere fallacious and unverified claims". We all live in The Matrix.

[MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION] [MENTION=2099]Cricket[/MENTION]joshila [MENTION=136571]akki[/MENTION] [MENTION=142736]English August[/MENTION] [MENTION=146617]OoparCut[/MENTION]

 

[PakLFC]

What in the world are you on about ? No sane Indian would compare living conditions in India to any of the countries you mentioned................

Many who say "India is a superpower" do think that way. The weird thing is they really believe in it!

 

[akki]

Many who say "India is a superpower" do think that way. The weird thing is they really believe in it!

Nobody believes that trust me. But yeah indians do have many many things to be proud of and to be shameful of as well. And most importantly india is on right path

 

[PakLFC]

Nobody believes that trust me. But yeah indians do have many many things to be proud of and to be shameful of as well. And most importantly india is on right path

Most countries have both pro's and con's. You may find it hard to believe but Pak is no where like what you guy's think as well.

 

[cricketjoshila]

To my post:



came the reply:



Stuff that I made up just for fun, or must be a lie because and Indian said it:

1) India's real growth rate is around 6% to 7% in recent years.

(World Bank is similarly deluded: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?cid=GPD_30&locations=IN)

2) TCS market cap is about $100 B.

(Yahoo Finance is similarly deluded: https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/TCS.BO?p=TCS.BO)

3) Sun Pharma, Lupin, Dr. Reddy's Lab, Cipla etc. don't really exist, I just made up stuff.

4) The auto industry in India doesn't really manufacture 25 million vehicles, just stuff I dreamt up.

5) There is "Not a shred of evidence" that the world exists. It is all "Mere fallacious and unverified claims". We all live in The Matrix.

[MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION] [MENTION=2099]Cricket[/MENTION]joshila [MENTION=136571]akki[/MENTION] [MENTION=142736]English August[/MENTION] [MENTION=146617]OoparCut[/MENTION]

I wonder if he lives in denial or thinks whatever he will say people will just accept it.

I am waiting for him to now predict doom of Indian economy.

 

[Slog]

[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] shared some stats a few days ago. It was sometime around 1 immigrant for every 30 Pakistanis and 1 immigrant for every 90 Indians.

thats a pointless stat

theres limits to immigration.

besides. my reply to the post was in terms of the immigrant network already present which India has significantly greater

 

[DW44]

It's still a great power and, as such, has more than enough weight to throw around for a country like Pakistan. It's amusing when BritPaks chest thump on our behalf as if we're in any way comparable to India. The two countries are almost exactly the same in terms of development indicators but when you have a billion people, even at a per capita GDP of $1800 you're quite the handful to deal with because of the sheer size of your economy and consumer market. India is basically Pakistan on steroids but the chest thumpers often overlook the steroids part.

 

[Snak3eye5]

To my post:



came the reply:



Stuff that I made up just for fun, or must be a lie because and Indian said it:

1) India's real growth rate is around 6% to 7% in recent years.

(World Bank is similarly deluded: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?cid=GPD_30&locations=IN)

2) TCS market cap is about $100 B.

(Yahoo Finance is similarly deluded: https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/TCS.BO?p=TCS.BO)

3) Sun Pharma, Lupin, Dr. Reddy's Lab, Cipla etc. don't really exist, I just made up stuff.

4) The auto industry in India doesn't really manufacture 25 million vehicles, just stuff I dreamt up.

5) There is "Not a shred of evidence" that the world exists. It is all "Mere fallacious and unverified claims". We all live in The Matrix.

[MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION] [MENTION=2099]Cricket[/MENTION]joshila [MENTION=136571]akki[/MENTION] [MENTION=142736]English August[/MENTION] [MENTION=146617]OoparCut[/MENTION]

Tata motors company is a billion dollar car manufacturer. Anyways I only found out recently that Tata motors bought Jaguar from ford quite a while back. That to me was quite fascinating !! . I always thought of Jaguar in the same vein as rolls Royce or a Benz.

 

[jusarrived]

Highly doubt that statistic.

In North American alone it's almost 9-10 times.

Also if you start including Indian origin or multiple generations then it would be even higher

its only in NA where Indians are considerably higher in number , a large majority of migrants from SC are in ME where the numbers are very close and even in UK its pretty close ( even if you count Indians who moved from Africa ) . So overall the ratio is not more than 1 : 2 to 2.5

 

[Slog]

its only in NA where Indians are considerably higher in number , a large majority of migrants from SC are in ME where the numbers are very close and even in UK its pretty close ( even if you count Indians who moved from Africa ) . So overall the ratio is not more than 1 : 2 to 2.5

Not true.

In UK they are likely close but in middle east its around 1:3.5+

Overall it must be around 1: 5 or so

 

[Tusker]

To my post:



came the reply:



Stuff that I made up just for fun, or must be a lie because and Indian said it:

1) India's real growth rate is around 6% to 7% in recent years.

(World Bank is similarly deluded: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?cid=GPD_30&locations=IN)

2) TCS market cap is about $100 B.

(Yahoo Finance is similarly deluded: https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/TCS.BO?p=TCS.BO)

3) Sun Pharma, Lupin, Dr. Reddy's Lab, Cipla etc. don't really exist, I just made up stuff.

4) The auto industry in India doesn't really manufacture 25 million vehicles, just stuff I dreamt up.

5) There is "Not a shred of evidence" that the world exists. It is all "Mere fallacious and unverified claims". We all live in The Matrix.

[MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION] [MENTION=2099]Cricket[/MENTION]joshila [MENTION=136571]akki[/MENTION] [MENTION=142736]English August[/MENTION] [MENTION=146617]OoparCut[/MENTION]

Be aware that you are dealing with a specimen that actually believes that Minorities have better rights in Pakistan than they do in India. He actually had the cheek to point out the one Hindu CJ in Pakistan to "Prove" his point.

 

[Ocelot]

India, being the artificial entity and geographical expression it is, needs to rally behind such concepts of 'Rising shining superpower' to give it a modicum of unity, softening the deep fissures in their society and keep their Union going. It needs to have external enemies like Pakistan and China to unite their diverse ethnic population behind a cause.

Unfortunately for Pakistan, which was at one point growing economically faster than Japan, its shortsighted leaders decided to engage in useless wars which halted Pakistan's economic growth. If its leaders didn't engage in such disastrous policies, Pakistan would already have been an economically developed nation by now and these chest thumping Indians, who now question the raison d'etre of Pak would have buzzed off forever.

 

[English August]

I wonder if he lives in denial or thinks whatever he will say people will just accept it.

I am waiting for him to now predict doom of Indian economy.

[ Most of the ] Pakistanis on this thread are massively frustrated by the turn of events at the FATF. This thread was a way to divert attention and make straw man arguments. They didn't expect their Chinese friends to do this to them.

 

[www787]

[ Most of the ] Pakistanis on this thread are massively frustrated by the turn of events at the FATF. This thread was a way to divert attention and make straw man arguments. They didn't expect their Chinese friends to do this to them.

Honestly, this weak defensive comment with no correlation to the topic shows more frustration to the facts then anything else.

 

[English August]

Honestly, this weak defensive comment with no correlation to the topic shows more frustration to the facts then anything else.

Co-relation to the topic? How many times have people pointed out that Indians don't really call themselves a superpower, so the topic of the thread itself is a non-subject?

It's like picking a random person on the street and asking him to prove that he's not a murderer. There needs to be prima facie case before you get into an argument.

Pakistanis are just making stuff up. But hey, this is a public forum, write whatever you feel like, but don't expect people to take you seriously.

 

[Napa]

Unfortunately for Pakistan, which was at one point growing economically faster than Japan

Ignoring the fluff in the rest of the post, I am constrained to point out that Pakistan (5.7%, 2016) is still growing faster than Japan (1%, 2016).

Nawaz is one underappreciated dude, feel bad for him.

 

[www787]

Co-relation to the topic? How many times have people pointed out that Indians don't really call themselves a superpower, so the topic of the thread itself is a non-subject?

It's like picking a random person on the street and asking him to prove that he's not a murderer. There needs to be prima facie case before you get into an argument.

Pakistanis are just making stuff up. But hey, this is a public forum, write whatever you feel like, but don't expect people to take you seriously.

Your frustration is clearly showing in every post, to point out that was a weak defense with no corelation to the topic.

India probably don't but this thread was made for those who do. And if you do not fall under that category then you do not have to respond.

What India does tho, maybe out of frustration, try to compare to Pakistan, especially when a Pakistani point out something obvious.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Honestly, this weak defensive comment with no correlation to the topic shows more frustration to the facts then anything else.

Spot on.

Lack of Indian substantive and relative posts is more revealing.

At the end of the day, Indians may pretend they don't want to be a superpower in public, but privately they do. Otherwise there's no need for chest thumping, boasting and gloating - on the world stage/in public.

Of course there is nothing wrong with aspirations, but it's better to live in reality than false hope.

 

[English August]

Ignoring the fluff in the rest of the post, I am constrained to point out that Pakistan (5.7%, 2016) is still growing faster than Japan (1%, 2016).

Nawaz is one underappreciated dude, feel bad for him.

Ouch. You shouldn't hit them where it hurts!

They're already upset with the Chinese bewaafai.

 

[www787]

Ouch. You shouldn't hit them where it hurts!

They're already upset with the Chinese bewaafai.

How? elaborate, and if you can't then it shows another form of frustration in which trying to portray something that isn't relative to the topic.

Napa point out the fact, which can be discussed but how does it hurt any Pakistani, on the contrary it shows decline of Japan, somewhat enemy of China.

 

[jagatk]

Your frustration is clearly showing in every post, to point out that was a weak defense with no corelation to the topic.

India probably don't but this thread was made for those who do. And if you do not fall under that category then you do not have to respond.

What India does tho, maybe out of frustration, try to compare to Pakistan, especially when a Pakistani point out something obvious.

Actually this thread was created by a guy who wants everyone to believe that india thinks it is a super power and thus laugh at it. No Indian in this or any other thread said India is a super power but trolls need to create stuff to have a life so we this thread.

 

[Ocelot]

Ignoring the fluff in the rest of the post, I am constrained to point out that Pakistan (5.7%, 2016) is still growing faster than Japan (1%, 2016).

Nawaz is one underappreciated dude, feel bad for him.

My point was about the Japan's economic miracle as both countries have their "Golden sixties", a trend which persisted in Japan but was lost in Pakistan due to 65 war. Pakistan at one stage was touted as the economic model for the developing world to follow. Your country only woke up to economic liberalization in 90s, when Manmohan Singh became finance minister. And yes, it maybe 'fluff' to you but the rest of my post is spot on as well.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Spot on.

Lack of Indian substantive and relative posts is more revealing.

At the end of the day, Indians may pretend they don't want to be a superpower in public, but privately they do. Otherwise there's no need for chest thumping, boasting and gloating - on the world stage/in public.

Of course there is nothing wrong with aspirations, but it's better to live in reality than false hope.

Indeed. I have always been a supporter of Indian progress, if only for the reason it will probably keep Pakistan on it's toes if only for the keeping up with the Jones' factor. At the moment though, it still doesn't look much different to Pakistan, and while that's the case, chest thumping just looks somewhat desperate.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Indeed. I have always been a supporter of Indian progress, if only for the reason it will probably keep Pakistan on it's toes if only for the keeping up with the Jones' factor. At the moment though, it still doesn't look much different to Pakistan, and while that's the case, chest thumping just looks somewhat desperate.

Yup. What's worse than chest thumping are golden nuggets like 'come back when Pakistan host international Test cricket'. It's as if such defensive/irrelevant responses buy enough time to Google up answer.

Like you say, take the Indian economic growth out of the equation and there is nothing to chest thump about. Indian progression in the economy is undeniable, but the sooner Indians realise their economic growth is down to quantity and not quality, the sooner they will realise that they do not meet the prerequisites for world superpower let alone come close. Respect and Military come first.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It's still a great power and, as such, has more than enough weight to throw around for a country like Pakistan. It's amusing when BritPaks chest thump on our behalf as if we're in any way comparable to India. The two countries are almost exactly the same in terms of development indicators but when you have a billion people, even at a per capita GDP of $1800 you're quite the handful to deal with because of the sheer size of your economy and consumer market. India is basically Pakistan on steroids but the chest thumpers often overlook the steroids part.

Speaking for myself, I'm not chest thumping on your behalf, can't speak for anyone else. I'm commenting as a first world citizen giving a view from the western hemisphere. You can't improve standards if you don't acknowledge the problems, that applies to Pakistan as well as India.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Co-relation to the topic? How many times have people pointed out that Indians don't really call themselves a superpower, so the topic of the thread itself is a non-subject?

It's like picking a random person on the street and asking him to prove that he's not a murderer. There needs to be prima facie case before you get into an argument.

Pakistanis are just making stuff up. But hey, this is a public forum, write whatever you feel like, but don't expect people to take you seriously.

This post is proof that Indians do consider themselves as an upcoming Superpower. If they didn't there wouldn't be any need for Chest Thumping. In the same way, Indians claimed Canada is not relevant, yet that particular thread yielded over 400 posts.

If they didn't care, why would they respond? [Rhetorical meaning no need to answer it].

 

[Napa]

This thread has meandered along the following lines:

KingKhan/ReverseSwing/SnakeEyes: ABC

Me/CricketJosh/EnglishAug/Tusker: ABC is wrong, here is the data

KingKhan/ReverseSwing/SnakeEyes: (ignoring previous posts) DEF

Me/CricketJosh/EnglishAug/Tusker: DEF is wrong, here is the data

KingKhan/ReverseSwing/SnakeEyes: (ignoring previous posts) GHI

Me/CricketJosh/EnglishAug/Tusker: GHI is wrong, here is the data

KingKhan/ReverseSwing/SnakeEyes: (ignoring previous posts) JKL

Me/CricketJosh/EnglishAug/Tusker: JKL is wrong, here is the data

KingKhan/ReverseSwing/SnakeEyes: (ignoring previous posts) MNO

and so on and so forth...

 

[R3verse Swing]

This thread has meandered along the following lines:

KingKhan/ReverseSwing/SnakeEyes: ABC

Me/CricketJosh/EnglishAug/Tusker: ABC is wrong, here is the data

KingKhan/ReverseSwing/SnakeEyes: (ignoring previous posts) DEF

Me/CricketJosh/EnglishAug/Tusker: DEF is wrong, here is the data

KingKhan/ReverseSwing/SnakeEyes: (ignoring previous posts) GHI

Me/CricketJosh/EnglishAug/Tusker: GHI is wrong, here is the data

KingKhan/ReverseSwing/SnakeEyes: (ignoring previous posts) JKL

Me/CricketJosh/EnglishAug/Tusker: JKL is wrong, here is the data

KingKhan/ReverseSwing/SnakeEyes: (ignoring previous posts) MNO

and so on and so forth...

But why care for responses when you claim Indians do not consider themselves to be an upcoming superpower?

Plus points made by Indian posters have been throughly refuted, excepted for Uncle ji's evidence. Can't compete with that. Was a blinder. More like a yorker.

 

[Sidilicious]

This thread has meandered along the following lines:

KingKhan/ReverseSwing/SnakeEyes: ABC

Me/CricketJosh/EnglishAug/Tusker: ABC is wrong, here is the data

KingKhan/ReverseSwing/SnakeEyes: (ignoring previous posts) DEF

Me/CricketJosh/EnglishAug/Tusker: DEF is wrong, here is the data

KingKhan/ReverseSwing/SnakeEyes: (ignoring previous posts) GHI

Me/CricketJosh/EnglishAug/Tusker: GHI is wrong, here is the data

KingKhan/ReverseSwing/SnakeEyes: (ignoring previous posts) JKL

Me/CricketJosh/EnglishAug/Tusker: JKL is wrong, here is the data

KingKhan/ReverseSwing/SnakeEyes: (ignoring previous posts) MNO

and so on and so forth...

SnakeEyes is Indian!!! Came as a shock to me!

On topic, not sure what is the point of this thread.

 

[Napa]

SnakeEyes is Indian!!! Came as a shock to me!

On topic, not sure what is the point of this thread.

This thread is yet another troll bait thrown out and swallowed... obviously too much time to waste