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India must learn from Pakistani batsmen's temperament

BlackShadow said:
Pakistan's Day 1 tuk tuk is the reason Australia won't be able to chase this. People were critical then, but that batting approach has saved Pakistan the game.
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And perhaps also the reason Pakistan won't get Australia all out. Australia were never going to chase this, but they can easily draw it now.
 
Its good we are not learning from Pak batsman, Win / Loss is part of game, but it should be entertaining which this game was not i feel. Boring Test Match.
 
India would have scored 600 in the first innings and would have won by an innings.
 
It seems negative batting costed this match. 15-20 extra overs would have been enough.
 
Ozeirk said:
Indianhero are you in the ground to judge the difficulty level of the pitch?
Australia did not take the new ball when it was due and it made it difficult to score runs freely. Despite that Pakistan has done well to stamp their dominance on the Australian attack, this will set the tone for the rest of the series.
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What Australian Attack? Plus you conveniently forgot that Warner Smith and Maxwell were not playing this game and if it was for them then this result would have been in favour of Australia 🇦🇺
 
Buffet said:
It seems negative batting costed this match. 15-20 extra overs would have been enough.
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Come on a buffet. If 150 overs weren’t enough then who are we to make assumptions?

Fact is both Pakistan and Australia showed remarkable temperament in this test which the current Indian test team seems so incapable of.

Can you imagine India drawing this test from the same situation?
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Come on a buffet. If 150 overs weren’t enough then who are we to make assumptions?

Fact is both Pakistan and Australia showed remarkable temperament in this test which the current Indian test team seems so incapable of.

Can you imagine India drawing this test from the same situation?
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india would have won
 
Indian players need to learn nothing from Pakistan. Not even in the bowling department anymore.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Come on a buffet. If 150 overs weren’t enough then who are we to make assumptions?

Fact is both Pakistan and Australia showed remarkable temperament in this test which the current Indian test team seems so incapable of.

Can you imagine India drawing this test from the same situation?
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I tend to agree that 140 overs should have been enough to bowl out opposition in 4th inning. I also don't see current Indian team lasting 140 overs to save a match.

I don't recall any Aus team in past doing it for 140 overs. Some one can dig up stats, I am just going by what I remember. It was an special effort from Aus team without having their two main batsmen.
 
If Indian batsmen hate winning the test and want to learn how to draw a winning test, learn from Pakistan.
 
Buffet said:
I tend to agree that 140 overs should have been enough to bowl out opposition in 4th inning. I also don't see current Indian team lasting 140 overs to save a match.

I don't recall any Aus team in past doing it for 140 overs. Some one can dig up stats, I am just going by what I remember. It was an special effort from Aus team without having their two main batsmen.
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We are on same page bro.

I really wish to see this side of Indian batting. In 4th winning they simply don't show the nerves and temperament to bat out long. Is it a mental issue or ability?
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Time for Pakistani(UAE) curators to learn from Indian ones? :inti
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Most UAE curators are Indians. But it's a mystery why don't get to see their art of making exciting Day 5 Test matches. ICC should look into banning UAE pitches for being boring and unsuitable for Test cricket.
 
Even in the australian innings, Usman khawaja showed the most temperament . Looks like it's natural in Pakistani genes or something :inti
 
freelance_cricketer said:
We are on same page bro.

I really wish to see this side of Indian batting. In 4th winning they simply don't show the nerves and temperament to bat out long. Is it a mental issue or ability?
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You do have to play less shots and check your natural instinct. I would say it's more mental than anything else. Individually, Indian players have done it time to time, but collectively I don't recall them doing it in recent years.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
We are on same page bro.

I really wish to see this side of Indian batting. In 4th winning they simply don't show the nerves and temperament to bat out long. Is it a mental issue or ability?
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But Pakistan didn't do it in fourth innings. What's so special about Pakistan batting for ~160 overs in first innings in this game?

India can dead bat endlessly on day 1 and 2. In fact, in the last game India declared after batting for 150 overs. India batted for 180+ overs against England when Jayant Yadav made a century. And then 190+ overs when Karun Nair made a triple century. ~180 overs twice against SL November last year.
 
Here is a question. How many pakistani batsman in the test side average 50 plus? Or even late 40’s?

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If anything, we need to learn from the Aussie bats. The dead batting shouldn’t be done in the 1st innings. 3rf or 4th innings makes sense.
 
We will see their temperament in SA when they are facing full strength of Steyn, Rabada, Philander and Lungi. :uakmal
 
West Indian tailenders have done some amazing stonewalling. Better than some top teams. Temperament alone won’t get you anywhere in testing condition. Pujara has a far superior temperament. He would have batted for 2 days on these track.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Even in the australian innings, Usman khawaja showed the most temperament . Looks like it's natural in Pakistani genes or something :inti
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Given that 11 real Pakistanis in the game did not show the same temperament, I would attribute it more to Khwaja's Aussie upbringing.
 
It seems like Indian batsmen are in a hurry.

This is just the 2nd day. They should aim to bat as long as possible and ensure they get to chase smallest score possible.
 
Looks like the suggestion is not off the mark. The way Indians are batting, they can learn a thing or two from Azhar and Haris.
 
Shandarchowka said:
Looks like the suggestion is not off the mark. The way Indians are batting, they can learn a thing or two from Azhar and Haris.
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Yes all batsmen around the world should scoop a ball to long-off after not being able to score runs on patta after playing 100 balls.

Youngsta beauty! :azhar
 
BlackShadow said:
Pakistan's Day 1 tuk tuk is the reason Australia won't be able to chase this. People were critical then, but that batting approach has saved Pakistan the game.
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I agree. Imagine Pakistan AO for 350 odd runs scoring at over 3 RPO.

Teams are losing more today than they did in past because playing fast has ensured there are hardly any draws. A drawn test is an essential part of the game IMO.
 
Tempremeant isn't dead batting every single ball. Tempremeant is batting for a period of time , seeing off the good balls and making sure any looses balls are put away.

Most great test batsmen were able to bat for long periods but still maintain a healthy strike rate. Without even watching Sunil bat I am almost certain that he would have put loose balls away and still show a strong defence .

Indian batsmen don't need to learn from Pakistan batsmen. We need to learn from Indian batsmen.
 
Boom or bust mentality costing India. They needed to extend lead to 100-150 runs by displaying good technique and patience today.

Failed terribly.
 
lol.

This a classic f_c thread! How did anyone fall for the bait? :srini
 
Bhaijaan's posts and threads are so
subtle that it becomes difficult to see whether he is trolling or he is genuinely stating it.
 
What a sarcastic thread!!!!!! Our batting is one of the worst but don't need to insult us by making this type of thread.
 
Lol, looking at this thread right now is quite amazing (pak 77/5 batting first at abu dhabi) :akhtar
 
Incredible show of patience and technique once again.

This is why Pakistan can draw/win test matches which India end up losing.
 
Shafiq so far has has played at an SR of 32. That too playing in the UAE. If anyone wants to command this performance then go ahead.
 
Hitman said:
Sorry, it's Sohail.
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He has a test hundred to his name and helped his team to a good 1st inning total that could help them win the test match. Anyone having problem with this should stick to T20 tamasha as is suitable for 12 years olds who do not understand real cricket i.e., tets cricket.
 
KL Rahul can learn from this. He needs to grind out because most of the times I see him he tries to dominate opposition and end up costing his wicket.

Pujara and Kohli are doing fine. Don't need to learn anything from here.
 
You want to destroy proper indian batsmen then go ahead and follow out incompetent batsmen. Brainless tuk tuking shouldn't be praised, there were no demons in the pitch and a healthy SR should have been maintained.
 
In My opinion Indian batting could have done with this kind of batting in England where Pakistan just looked to put 350 on board at all cost! on these kind of tracks they will be allright and probably do better than Pakistan batting against this NZ bowling line up.
 
Eggs on the face of all people who were being ignorant about his approach and were crying. Harris, Ali, Bobby have won this test for Pakistan with their patient approach.
 
Another great display of temperament by my dearest young batsmen of Pakistan!
 
A fantastic display in the art of test batting by Azhar and Shafiq. If Indian batsmen had even an ounce of their ability we would have been favourites in Australia. :(
 
Another great display of temperament from a Pakistani batsman,this time it was Babar
Don't think any Indian batsman is capable of playing such knock on the 5th day in Asia
Surviving for 114 balls shows his quality
 
Great display of temperament by King Kohli and Che Pujara.

India playing like Pakistan.

Calm like a monk and solid like a rock.
 
MenInG said:
Attritional cricket is what Tests are about
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A good batsman can play in many ways, but a great batsman stamps his authority against the opposition and puts them on the backfoot. Despite his team 2 down early down.

This is what Kohli has done here.
 
Gabbar Singh said:
They took your advice seriously FC.
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My dear friend Gabbar,

No they didn’t.

Till Day 2, Session 1 one could make sense of what India was trying to do and justify the batting approach.

India needed to hit the next gear from session 2 onwards and they didn’t. They failed to accelerate when ge team needed and that’s just poor batting.

Pakistan are brilliant with their test match batting. This is the same nation which pulled of a world record chase of 250 runs in 2 sessions on Day 5. They are the nation which hit hit fastest test century. They know when to accelerate and when to defend. India is clueless. When they have to defend they are unable and when they have to accelerate like today they seemed clueless.
 
Fantastic batting from Pakistan. They smell a win here and they’re doing it right. Already 100 ahead now. This batting line up knows when to cease the opportunity.

India would have been 100/7 here.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Fantastic batting from Pakistan. They smell a win here and they’re doing it right. Already 100 ahead now. This batting line up knows when to cease the opportunity.

India would have been 100/7 here.
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Lmao bro whenever you speak you are a curse hahaha. Look at Pak score now 102-6
 
India at present is facing a bowling attack consisting of Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood, Lyon which is a stronger attack than Rabada, Steyn,Olivier and Maharaj. The total scored in one innings by India is more than what Pakistan will score in their two innings.
 
Some fantastic temperament shown by Bobby and Shan. Indian batsmen need to learn from these two on how to bat in SENA
 
Let's first learn to give priority to international cricket from Pakistan before we learn from their batsmen's temperament. :inti
 
Ab Fan said:
A classic display of test batting indeed. Ofcourse, gully danda format fans who have grown up watching Suresh Raina hack it over fine leg for a six won't understand such beautiful display of test cricket with really tight defence from the two batters. Almost a Boycott-esque defense against the fast and ferocious Lillee.

The modern era players, in general, clearly lack a tight defence in their game which we got to watch from older era players and that is what we are getting to see from these two Pakistan batters as well.

Truly, test cricket was so beautiful back in old eras and it is refreshing to watch these two reminiscing the older memories for our older era fans.
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Spot on.
 
india plays bounce better
pakistam play swing better due to county experience.


excellent batting by pakistan
Abaoslutely brilliant stuff.

Fantastic water right defense. Shah masood? what the he'll happened to him in australia? dude is really talented judging by today's performances.
 
And also Bhaijaan for the thread.

Only if India would have shown that level of patience and temperament, we won't have got whitewashed in NZ.
 
tyron_woodley said:
india plays bounce better
pakistam play swing better due to county experience.


excellent batting by pakistan
Abaoslutely brilliant stuff.

Fantastic water right defense. Shah masood? what the he'll happened to him in australia? dude is really talented judging by today's performances.
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You forgot the toss? :inti
 
tyron_woodley said:
india plays bounce better
pakistam play swing better due to county experience.


excellent batting by pakistan
Abaoslutely brilliant stuff.

Fantastic water right defense. Shah masood? what the he'll happened to him in australia? dude is really talented judging by today's performances.
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The batters failed in NZ against bounce. Kohli, Shaw, Rahane, Vihari looked out of sorts when consistently tested, though the bounce was obviously spungy.
 
I was about to open a discusss like this today. Whoever beat me to it, thank you so much. Kudos to OP.

Pakistani batsmen focus on survival technique and get rewarded for it in England.

Indian batsmen focus too much on looking good for the photographs and get out.
 
OldWarHorse said:
The batters failed in NZ against bounce. Kohli, Shaw, Rahane, Vihari looked out of sorts when consistently tested, though the bounce was obviously spungy.
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they don't fail vs cummins, starc and hazelwood though? they smashed them.

The new guy Kyle was an unknown factor and that clearly played in n.z's favour. He had his novelty performance. India will work him out next time.
 
You cannot change their technique but you can remind them about test match batting basics. Showing patience, putting a price on your wicket, trusting your defence etc.
 
Sham Masood, take a bow brother this is one of the most heroic effort by a visiting test opener at this venue.

I wish Shikhar Dhawan could do this but he has to be a trail blazing Jatt and throw his wicket away cheaply
 
Local.Dada said:
Pakistan’s Murali Vijay
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Murali was going through a run like this. So sad hd couldn't keep his place, definitely can't say he was not given ample opportunities.

It's not that we don't have batting talent but like me and many posters have pointed out, Indian batsmen find it hard to curb their attacking instincts where ball moves a bit outside subcontinent.
 
No need to learn from anyone.
All Asian teams are in same state at overseas. Stop over hype everything
 
Unfortunately, Pakistani batsmen learnt from the way Indian batsmen have been batting in England instead.
 
Another foot-in-mouth thread. It is even worse that after a very decent 1st innings lead, we lost inside 4 days. Test match is all about patience and you cant blame it onluck
 
There are about 20-30 batsmen in Ranji cricket who are comfortably better than Azhar and Shafiq.
 
I can assure India do not need to learn anything about batting from Pakistan.
 
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