Yep.
To be precise,since 2007 T20 WC win,India have been the most successful side across formats.
In tests,SA edges India but overall it is easily India
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Yep.
To be precise,since 2007 T20 WC win,India have been the most successful side across formats.
In tests,SA edges India but overall it is easily India
First you said we have never beaten you in finals of any world tournament. After we mentioned this world championship win, you added this new 30 yrs filter. Now you have this new excuse that you could not understand what I wrote. Nice try.
What is wrong in wining WC at home ? Those world cups are not counted just like our 85 world championship tournament due to 30 yr filter? ICC gave India and Australia different type of WC when they won WC at home? Winning WC at home is easy? Don’t tell that to Eng. what happened to your great 90s team when they played WC at home.
What does Anwar’s 194 in random kitply Cup have to do with our discussion? And also about Lala.)
I did not know about 1886 so thanks for telling me about that!
Your grammar is not very good which is why I did not understand however why do you not want to talk about the overall record
As I said Indian people say they hate talking about past results so why ggo back 30 years when we can last year Winning WC at home means advantage of playing in home conditions and home crowd, that is why it does not have the same respect as winning on mutual territory. We know what a third class team you are when playing abroad
You talk about 1986 yet ask what has Anwar's 194 go to do with the debate!!!)) What is funny about Lala?
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We are talking out about one off games and how variables can affecf the outcome hence the best team doesn’t always win.
I’m not going to agree with you that there is no such thing as home advantage. Sorry.
I’m not going to agree with you that there is no such thing as home advantage. Sorry.
No one denied that. Jokes aside how does it feel to not able to beat your arch rivals even once in World cups?
I just want to know that feeling
Does not feel bad now at all. It is ancient history, buried in the past. This is a totally honest answer coz I never live in the past
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Its actual worse for Teams winning the Toss in WC Matches
So teams winning the toss have won 185 times and lost 204 times
Link for WC Matches :
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...n;template=results;toss=1;trophy=12;type=team
I’m very surprised with the stats. I guess the stats don’t take into account all variables.. If a minnow won the toss against Australia then the impact would have been less or captains making the wrong decision... agree?
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No. It actually further drops to 81% if we exclude all minnows.
Link:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...8;template=results;toss=1;trophy=12;type=team
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It’s funny how you disregard anything that doesn’t go with your view. Open your mind up, stats aren’t everything ��
We are talking about 5 games and how different variables can affect an outcome of a game. Winning the toss and home advantage being two.
In a one off game, given the choice everyone (apart from your mate [MENTION=146272]Savage[/MENTION]) would take winning toss and playing at home.
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I did not know about 1886 so thanks for telling me about that!
Overall I get the feeling that I am chatting with 15 yr old kid. That’s fine. I will educate you about cricket, in return you can teach me grammar.
Did you read the title of the thread before telling me not to talk about past records? It’s about WC streak vs bilateral record. WC streak started back in 91. Last game was played in 2016.
You keep repeating one off CT final win and overall head to head. Which WC game we had last year?
You didn’t answer why your great team could not win the World Cup played at home in 96? Why home teams have lost 80% of the times if WC at home would give them advantage? I am sure I won’t get any answer for these questions.
)Which third class team you are talking about? One that was thrashed 5-0 by NZ recently in ODIs? One that has not won any test match in Australia for nearly 25 yrs. won no test series in England for the last 22 yrs. whitewashed recently in SA and NZ in Test series?
Still don’t understand what you are blabbering about Anwar and Afridi.
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I also gave you valid reasons.
Why do the stats not agree with you if this is such an obvious no-brainer ?
Do you want to know the real reason for Pakistan losing soo many WC matches? The single biggest reason is that your batsmen cannot chase even modest totals . Eg: 1992, 1999, 2011, 2007(Twice). Nothing to do with Winning the toss or home advantage.
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Lol at your excuse. What happened to the centurion game in 2003? How did we chase the huge target against your world best fast bowlers? How about t20 games where your team had to bat first and got out for modest scores?
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Exactly! In 1992 they failed to chase 216 and in 1999 they failed to chase 225 ... and then he blames the toss ... lol
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They CHOSE not to chase but if they wanted to ....well they could win soccer world cup with their cricket team
Overall I get the feeling that I am chatting with 15 yr old kid. That’s fine. I will educate you about cricket, in return you can teach me grammar.
Did you read the title of the thread before telling me not to talk about past records? It’s about WC streak vs bilateral record. WC streak started back in 91. Last game was played in 2016.
You keep repeating one off CT final win and overall head to head. Which WC game we had last year?
You didn’t answer why your great team could not win the World Cup played at home in 96? Why home teams have lost 80% of the times if WC at home would give them advantage? I am sure I won’t get any answer for these questions.
Which third class team you are talking about? One that was thrashed 5-0 by NZ recently in ODIs? One that has not won any test match in Australia for nearly 25 yrs. won no test series in England for the last 22 yrs. whitewashed recently in SA and NZ in Test series?
Still don’t understand what you are blabbering about Anwar and Afridi.
You don't need to educate me at all instead just look at this http://stats.espncricinfo.com/pakvi...ml?class=2;id=6;id=7;type=headtohead:))):))):))) There is nothing you can do to undo this, can you?? You need glasses, the threead is WC versus overall bilateral record
The point is that we won the last time the two met so why you going back 30 years when Indian people hate talking about the past!?
Well, Pak did not win the 1996 WC for the same reason that India did not win the 1987 one that was also played in the subcontinent. However, this does not mean that playing at home does not give the hosts a big advantage. This is why India always wants every tournament to be played in India!!
))You are not that good away from home at all. A few decent performances does not undermine your historic under achievement, does it? So " One that has not won any test match in Australia for nearly 25 yrs. won no test series in England for the last 22 yrs" you agree with me it seems??
My grammar makes perfect sense, yours is inept and lacking. I keep mentioning Anwar and Lala coz you are going back to 1986 or something!
I will not let you pick and choose previous matches to suit your agenda
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Let's get real.
Toss does not determine success and is just a psychological thing.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India–Pakistan_cricket_rivalry
Test ODI T20I
Matches 59 129 8
Won by Pakistan 12 73 1
Won by India 9 52 6
Draw/Tie/No result 38 4 1
Mircha ta bauth laganiya, saadh tha bauth pena!!
Test ODI T20I
Matches 59 129 8
Won by Pakistan 12 73 1
Won by India 9 52 6
Draw/Tie/No result 38 4 1
Mircha ta bauth laganiya, saadh tha bauth pena!!You don't need to educate me at all instead just look at this http://stats.espncricinfo.com/pakvi...ml?class=2;id=6;id=7;type=headtohead:))):))):))) There is nothing you can do to undo this, can you?? You need glasses, the threead is WC versus overall bilateral record
Well, Pak did not win the 1996 WC for the same reason that India did not win the 1987 one that was also played in the subcontinent. However, this does not mean that playing at home does not give the hosts a big advantage. This is why India always wants every tournament to be played in India!!
You are not that good away from home at all. A few decent performances does not undermine your historic under achievement, does it? So " One that has not won any test match in Australia for nearly 25 yrs. won no test series in England for the last 22 yrs" you agree with me it seems??
My grammar makes perfect sense, yours is inept and lacking. I keep mentioning Anwar and Lala coz you are going back to 1986 or something!
Again you are not checking the record before writing and exposing your ignorant side of yourself. India won several test matches in Australia in last 25 yrs and also won a test series in 2007 in eng. I was talking about your beloved team. You didn’t even know about that. That’s why I said I have to teach you a lot about cricket.
Just because your team won the last game, yours is the better? What logic is that? Who won the last WC game then? If you are so particular about recent games, who won more games in last 3 yrs or 5 yrs or even 2 yrs?
You are talking about anwars 194 played in 90s and afridis in early 2000s, how kohli’s 175 in Dhaka 2012 and 100 in Australia in 2015 WC. sachin’s 2003 to get your greattttt fast bowlers retired?
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Even with that WC streak India is still far behind Pakistan in terms of head to head record.
Who denied it? And you forgot to add CT win.
Lets stick to the Indo-Pak debate which is what this thread is about. I do not know why you are foolishly getting Australia involved. You need to read properly before you start typing your nonsense. I know India have won Tests down under but you have not done so a series. That is what I am telling you
One minute you are talking of Indo-Pak matches then you get Australia and NZ involved to conceal your shame it seems. Again you are talking off old matches, when I do that you complain of the very thing Why go back 5 or 10 years instead of the whole record?? Naturally, the last contest is the most recent one giving us the latest bragging rights so deal with it! So that is why I say that the last match is the most important one.
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That is what is hurting them no ends! You can tell by their reaction
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LOL .. Asia cup, Kitply cup, bubbaloo cup, Sharjah cup happen/ used to happen every year/ once in 2 years in round robin format. WC happen once in 4 years.
Asia cup, Kitply cup, bubbaloo cup, Sharjah cup -> Atp 500, 1000 masters
CT -> W T F
WC -> Grand slam majors (Wimbledon/ French/ US/ AO)
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You love stats, right? Well have a look at these.....
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=won;team=7;template=results;toss=1;type=team
I’m not sure why it’s only showing it for 60 games but it clearly shows in Pakistan vs India games the toss is important!
You can change the goalpost again if you want but you can’t change the fact you’ve lost this debate. I agree Pakistan are terrible at chasing, the same way India are probably up there with the best when it comes to chasing. But at the same time, if you give pakistan a decent score to defend they seldom lose. Hence the toss being important in these games!
Well done on 2003 it was the year of upsets and you guys overachieved. Strange results happen in sports like the Centurion. TBF 2007 was similar, we lost to another minnow Ireland.
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Also have a look at India’s record when winning the toss... 1.24 is an advantage, if you add in playing at home the ratio is 1.65 which is a significant advantage!!
I had respect for you until this. Manipulating the stats like your team does pitches....
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=won;team=6;template=results;toss=1;type=team
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when will you ever learn?
You are having issue not because India won more tosses or 3 out of 11 WC matches took place in India but because your team lost all of those 11 WC matches.You probably don't even care that your biggest win against India came after losing the toss.(CT Final which was also by big margin)
You consistently bringing Home/Toss Advantage is only showing your Coping Mechanism and with due respect it is not worthwhile discussing.
And Btw,The stats your brought up is actually supporting India (NOT PAKISTAN).
Pakistan's W/L ratio is better when they have actually lost the Toss as compared to winning the Toss against India.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=won;team=7;template=results;toss=2;type=team
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Consistancy
Thanks for the complement 
Shows the strength of my argument that I don’t need to keep movinv goalpost to win this debate.20 over games and 50 overs are 2 separate formats and not once have I discussed them as one.
In the 6 games India have had an advantage by 1.65 in 2 of the games and 1.24 in the other 4 games. This, before a single ball was bowled. Compare it to football and it’s like playing 11 vs 10.
Your last Line shows how much of a joke you are... Pakistan’s record of win/loss ratio is 1.407 when losing the toss and 1.400 when we win the toss. 0.007 is MARGINAL!!
I’m not a fan of stats because there there too many variables in the game for them to make sense but it has been destroying you and your friend at your own game #statgeeks
India have a high W/L ratio even when they lose the toss .... it only proves that toss is immaterial.
Link:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=won;team=6;template=results;toss=2;type=team
You have not answered my question on Home advantage - Why hasnt any team won the WC at home before 2011 ? Why did it take India three attempts ( 1987,1996, 2011) to win a Worldcup at home ?
See post by [MENTION=146753]Send1983[/MENTION] above. Pakistan have a similar record when they lose toss also . This further proves that toss is immaterial.
Link: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=won;team=7;template=results;toss=2;type=team
I think the reason for confusion is that you don't realize that a team can win a match whether or not they win the toss.
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And finally this stat should prove to you how well India do after losing the toss in ICC Events: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=results;toss=2;trophy=12;trophy=44;type=team
Nearly a 1:2 W/L ratio
And finally this stat should prove to you how well India do after losing the toss in ICC Events: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=results;toss=2;trophy=12;trophy=44;type=team
Nearly a 1:2 W/L ratio
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Stop manipulating stats to prove a point....
India V Pakistan at home when winning the toss:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=won;team=6;template=results;toss=1;type=team
India V Pakistan at home when loss the toss:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=won;team=6;template=results;toss=2;type=team
The answer to your question about India not winning at home prior to 2011 is simple. They were a small team with a few decent players that could win one off games but not tournaments. They tried gaining advantage by hosting to negate how poor they were back then they could in order to compete.
Here is Ind vs Pak away ( in Pak) : http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=won;team=6;template=results;toss=2;type=team
So according to your theory India do better in Pakistan when they lose the toss when compared to playing in India ? And this makes sense to you ?
if they were a small team ... How did they win the 1983 WC and the 1985 B&H Trophy ?
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I hate stats because they can be manipulated to prove a point and you need to stop doing because I can do the same.... we are talking about Pakistan vs India so stick to that please!
India V Pakistan at home when winning the toss:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=won;team=6;template=results;toss=1;type=team
India V Pakistan at home when loss the toss:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=won;team=6;template=results;toss=2;type=team
The answer to your question about India not winning at home prior to 2011 is simple. They were a small team with a few decent players that could win one off games but not tournaments. They tried gaining advantage by hosting to negate how poor they were as a team. In 2011 the team was stronger and after 2 attempts they mastered the art of doctoring pitches (Jadega/Ashwin spinning it more than Warne)
I agree both teams can win regardless of the outcome of the toss but my point is that winning is an advantage. What you don’t understand is that not every team capitalises!
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Between 87 and 2002...
Even at our weakest we’ve still got a positive win loss ratio in ODI. At our weakest we’ve managed to win a couple of world events and go deep in tournaments.
That was not a compliment.It further enforces that you have some serious comprehension issues.And yes You've been consistent in making a fool of yourself.
This thread is about 11-0 streak.It doesn't matter whether you were discussing about T20s or not.
I must say good job for finally finding stat which support you.But there are various other stats(which are even more relevant) that says otherwise and I'm sure you have already seen.
WOW I'm still surprised how someone can be this stupid.
First,you brought this stat http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=won;team=7;template=results;toss=1;type=team
To which I replied with stat http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=won;team=7;template=results;toss=2;type=team
In which world this stat makes me look like a joke and how exactly your stats proved your point about Toss advantage.
OH so you feel 0.007 is marginal.But what about this stat
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=won;template=results;toss=1;type=team
Here the difference is 0.007(mind large sample size) But you don't find anything marginal in this.
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We lost the 2006 CT at home and the 2016 T20 WC too whats ... the excuse for that ?
As did India - Won the 2002 CT and went to S/F in 87 and 96 WC and the finals of the 2000 CT but its hilarious to see you claiming that the 80s team.
You were the one that started the Toss theory .... why are you now crying when the stats dont support your theory ? Once I proved to you how remarkably even the distribution is for the overall W/L ratio for all teams when they won the toss ... you started to add more filters one by one and EVERY time you got proven wrong or your theory couldnt be validated consistently. That should tell you how wrong your theory is.
for example does the Toss only come into picture in Ind vs Pak games and that too only in India ? Make some logically sound and sensible posts if you want to be taken seriously.
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Look at the sample size of this an the advantage by winning the toss and playing at home!
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=won;template=results;toss=1;type=team
If there is no advantage in winning the toss then why do it? Dew factor, DL, Scoreboard pressure and playing under lights... Have all these things been made up?
Why have home series and away series?
I agree on some pitches it doesn’t make a difference and sometimes the captain makes the wrong decision but in whole playing at home and winning the toss are an advantage!
Classing 20 overs and 50 overs as one is not something I will ever agree on. India are absolutely WHACK at it considering how much money they’ve invested in IPL. Given the structure they have and exposure they’ve been able to give to players coming through they should be winning a lot more of these tournaments. For us to even win one shows the natural potential we have in our country
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=won;template=results;toss=1;type=team
If there is no advantage in winning the toss then why do it? Dew factor, DL, Scoreboard pressure and playing under lights... Have all these things been made up?
Why have home series and away series?
I agree on some pitches it doesn’t make a difference and sometimes the captain makes the wrong decision but in whole playing at home and winning the toss are an advantage!
Classing 20 overs and 50 overs as one is not something I will ever agree on. India are absolutely WHACK at it considering how much money they’ve invested in IPL. Given the structure they have and exposure they’ve been able to give to players coming through they should be winning a lot more of these tournaments. For us to even win one shows the natural potential we have in our country
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so after reading this thread I understand Pakistan lost all WC matches Vs India due to toss.. So it'll be good if they abandon next WC match Vs India if they didn't win the toss. Why waste the time.
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My point is simple, WC cup matches are a rarity, 6 in total over 25 years and in those one off games India have done well but they had an advantage to start with. The advantage isn’t difinitive but it is still an advantage, we might win the toss and lose but in that case we would have lost with the advantage.
I don’t watch India apart from when they play Pakistan so I can’t comment on why they lost previous games when winning the toss. As CT trophy is concerned, they should have batted first so poor decision making from Kholi.
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Let me give you more relevant stats
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...n;template=results;toss=1;trophy=12;type=team
As we are discussing about WCs.
Nothing surprising in the stats that you've mentioned.You need to understand that there is huge difference between Subcontinent conditions and outside Subcontinent Conditons.Teams like Australia and England might struggle in India.But you cannot use this excuse for Pakistan as the conditions used in India are pretty much similiar to pakistan and vice versa.Similarly You cannot excuse Australia for not winning series in South Africa.There were many fans who were calling Australian favourites for recent series in SA and Australia success in SA was one of the main reason.
There is a reason why Pakistan have been so successful in India and India have been so successful in Pakistan.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=won;team=7;template=results;type=team
Pakistan had the best chance of breaking the streak in Mohali but they blew it.It's not just me,many pakistan fans were saying that Mohali was best chance of breaking the streak.Similarly Pakistan's best chance of beating India in T20 WC was undoubtedly in Kolkata(2016).India were there for the taking but they blew it again.
IMO Those were the two matches where they had the best chance of beating India in a WC but they just weren't good enough.
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If you had the following option: allow India to win once every four years (as long as we don't get knocked out of WC, coz that hurts) and in return we get to win 90% of the matches that we play in between.
Will you take it?
Will you take it?
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We can keep playing tennis with stats... the win ratio is over 1.7 when winning the toss and playing at home...
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...n;template=results;toss=1;trophy=12;type=team
If there is no advantage in winning the toss then why do it? Dew factor, DL, Scoreboard pressure and playing under lights... Have all these things been made up?
If there is no advantage at home then why not just play at neutral venues? Why didn’t India do a 50/50 distribution of tickets? Are you saying people that go watch the games have zero impact?
Dillisional if you don’t think it makes a difference
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Aslong it doesn’t stop us from progressing than ofcourse I would. Pakistan vs India has value regardless of it’s a World Cup game, winning 90% of those games would be amazing..
Mate why are you making a fool of yourself again and again.
Home team W/L ratio when they have actually lost the toss is 3.615.That is more than double of Win ratio(1.7) when they won the toss.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...n;template=results;toss=2;trophy=12;type=team
If you still think winning the toss in WC helps the team to win a match,Then I dare you to explain these WC stats and embarrass yourself further
1 http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...n;template=results;toss=1;trophy=12;type=team
2 http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...8;template=results;toss=1;trophy=12;type=team
I still don't understand Why would any Pakistan fan would try to denigrate those 3 WC matches in India when they have also lost 3 WC matches in South Africa along with 2 WC matches in Australia,1 in England,1 each in Srilanka and Bangladesh.
Pakistan have always been strong team in India.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=won;team=7;template=results;type=team
Perhaps that's one of the reason why those 3 WC wins at Home were extra special for an Indian fan.Those 3 wins were more memorable than some of our other Big match(WCs) wins against Pakistan.At the same time,Pak fans should be disappointed their team failed to win those WC matches in India where their team has top record.
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I’m getting bored of this, we can keep going back and forth with stats to back our points. Stats don’t mean everything as they don’t take into account all permutations. The only reason I posted them is to show you and your pal how they can be used them to back our points.
Me and you obviously watch two different games. I watch Cricket and you stats.
I value the h2h over WC because it shows domination over a longer period of time. WC is great but it only comes around every 4 years and the winner in one off match isn’t always the better team as CT showed.
When you play a series the variables even themselves out and the winner more worthy. This isn’t even debatable but I’m sure you can find a stat to disprove this!
I watch and value cricket all year round and if you started doing the same then you’d understand. Anyway keep watching stats, hope they keep you entertained as your next fix of Cricket in June 2019
Ofcourse Stats don't mean everything.Similarly Toss or Home advantage don't mean everything.There are various other variable like Rain,Favourite venue etc which are not just limited to WCs but also bilateral matches.I must say It was a good decision that you didn't tried to explain those stats which I asked.
Anyway,Although your WC record couldn't be more embarrassing but your H2H is still something which you guys should be proud of.
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If home conditions offer such huge advantages why did it take 35 yrs for a home team anywhere in the World to win a WC? can you clearly answer that question without dodging it ?
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Sure we have lost a couple of crucial wc matches against India and no one is denying that but you always use the head to head record to see how well the two teams have fared against each other
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Comparing the hurt I've felt losing the world cup matches vs the enjoyment I've got winning the other bilaterals I've had to sadly go for WC > Bilaterals.
I think the main factor is the fact that we haven't even won a single match in the biggest stage of them all. That's what makes India seem like a bogey team for us despite our overall superior record against them. If we won the 2019 World Cup game things will start to shift towards our favour as we can claim we've broken the hoodoo.
A more interesting and related question is whether Indian and Pakistani fans would swap their relative teams' records. I would guess that the 2 World Cup wins (and the World Championship 1985 Final) would play a significant role there which backs my point up.
I think the main factor is the fact that we haven't even won a single match in the biggest stage of them all. That's what makes India seem like a bogey team for us despite our overall superior record against them. If we won the 2019 World Cup game things will start to shift towards our favour as we can claim we've broken the hoodoo.
A more interesting and related question is whether Indian and Pakistani fans would swap their relative teams' records. I would guess that the 2 World Cup wins (and the World Championship 1985 Final) would play a significant role there which backs my point up.
But bhai you dnt win 90 percent in between na. ...its 70-50. How it is 90 percent ? Between thank your stars as players like sehwag and kohli ,rohit dnt get much to olay against you guys....otherwise i am sure india is far superior odi team.
There is a reason india is n.o 1 odi and n.o 1 test team in world.
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Winning a one off game and winning a tournament are two seperates things. In a one off game slight advantages can influence the outcome however to win a tournament the team needs to be strong and have luck on its side.
India winning the World Cup at home was a big achievement. India basically wiped out all the team outside of the subcontinent by the pitches they made, affectively making it an Asia Cup. Try denying that the pitches made Jadeja look like Shane Warne.
Indian people are just the sorest losers and ungraceful in defeat. In 1999 WC India had been eliminated from the tournament by the time they played Pak yet their people and media were talking it up as if it was war. After defeating Pak in a meaningless encounter they were dancing on the streets as if it was the greatest thing ever. When Pak wins a tournament no matter how small it is then it becomes irrelevant to them because they lost
In 1986's Austral Asia Cup in Sharjah that Pak won thanks to Miandad's last ball sixer five teams participated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austral-Asia_Cup
In 1989's Nehru Cup played in India with six participants Pak again defeated India on the way to winning the tournament
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehru_Cup_(cricket) So when India wins a dead rubber match it means everything to them but when Pak wins a tournament defeating them on the way it means nothing!
This is how the neighbour thinks!
In 1986's Austral Asia Cup in Sharjah that Pak won thanks to Miandad's last ball sixer five teams participated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austral-Asia_Cup
In 1989's Nehru Cup played in India with six participants Pak again defeated India on the way to winning the tournament
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehru_Cup_(cricket) So when India wins a dead rubber match it means everything to them but when Pak wins a tournament defeating them on the way it means nothing! This is how the neighbour thinks!
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2 CT wins as well along with 2 WCs and 1 world championship.
By the way Pak also won the second edition of the Austral Asia Cup in 1990 with six teams including India taking part. It was played in Sharjah and Bangladesh. Pak also won the third edition as well defeating India in the final in the UAE. That time 5 or 6 teams taking part in a tournament made it a major one. Just that when you lose it hurts so much that it is best to downplay it
No point in taking part in a tournament then saying it means nothing coz you didn't win it! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austral-Asia_Cup
No point in taking part in a tournament then saying it means nothing coz you didn't win it! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austral-Asia_Cup
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By the way Pak also won the second edition of the Austral Asia Cup in 1990 with six teams including India taking part. It was played in Sharjah and Bangladesh. Pak also won the third edition as well defeating India in the final in the UAE. That time 5 or 6 teams taking part in a tournament made it a major one. Just that when you lose it hurts so much that it is best to downplay it
Indian cricketers/fans just go on holiday for 4 years. Apparently in India, Cricket is only played at World Cups, all the games played are a different sport.
Indians only care about the runs Sachin scored in the World Cup and they don’t rate Dravid/Ganguly because they didn’t win a World Cup. The true hero of Indian Cricket is Sreesanth
Please post the scorecard of the match where Jadeja was looking like Warne in 2011 WC.
By the way Pak also won the second edition of the Austral Asia Cup in 1990 with six teams including India taking part. It was played in Sharjah and Bangladesh. Pak also won the third edition as well defeating India in the final in the UAE. That time 5 or 6 teams taking part in a tournament made it a major one. Just that when you lose it hurts so much that it is best to downplay it
Pak is the best cricket team
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Some of our bilateral wins have been in meangliness games. Let's be honest hardly any WC games are meangliness unless both teams have qualified in a group stage.
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96 and 2011 were the only knockout wc matches, the rest were in the group stages
I doubt [MENTION=146791]Ik92yk09sa17[/MENTION] will ever answer the question so let me answer my own question .... Jadeja never bowled a single ball in the WC2011. Reason - He was never even selected in the 15 man Indian squad for WC 2011. Kinda hard to bowl like Warne when you arent even in the squad. Therefore as I said earlier its one thing to have an opinion but entirely different story when it comes to backing that up with proper facts.
Links to WC2011 Squads:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Cricket_World_Cup_squads#India
http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc_cricket_worldcup2011/content/squad/497114.html
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The most important stat for me is test H2H followed by ODI WC record. I rate test cricket as the greatest format, so the 12-9 is the clincher. While WC streak and overall bilateral record cancel each other out (let's be honest most bilaterals and non ICC tournaments are meaningless), India has always been lagging behind in the ultimate format. Not just that we won 2 tests in Pakistan (both in the same series) while they have won 5 in India (that too coming in 4 different decades-50s, 80s, 90s, 00s). As an Indian I have no problem in admitting that Pak has the most impressive record in our rivalry.
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Thank your lucky stars that BBCI found lame excuses during the 90s so your players did not have to face the two Ws at their peak.
Normally I find you quite a balanced poster, but you were very wide off the mark on this one.
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By the way Pak also won the second edition of the Austral Asia Cup in 1990 with six teams including India taking part. It was played in Sharjah and Bangladesh. Pak also won the third edition as well defeating India in the final in the UAE. That time 5 or 6 teams taking part in a tournament made it a major one. Just that when you lose it hurts so much that it is best to downplay it
but india won way more Asia cups? lol.
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importance of cups ranked;
WC
champions trophy
precursor champions trophy
Asia cup/Australasia cup - tournament involving atleast 4 teams.
huge gap
******** tri series
******** bilaterals
in tests, pakistan has the advantage but india dint get to play pakistan post 06.
pakistam were superior to india from 1987 to about 2001. india had the upper hand briefly during the 1993- 1995 phase. India have been better overall post 2002. pakistan won the Anne do series vs an older squad on the decline but a win is a win.
Had they played more bilaterals post 2011, I believe india would have closed the gap to about a 10 ish game difference. I don't see india decimating pakistan consistently as pakistan will always be a great side.
WC
champions trophy
precursor champions trophy
Asia cup/Australasia cup - tournament involving atleast 4 teams.
huge gap
******** tri series
******** bilaterals
in tests, pakistan has the advantage but india dint get to play pakistan post 06.
pakistam were superior to india from 1987 to about 2001. india had the upper hand briefly during the 1993- 1995 phase. India have been better overall post 2002. pakistan won the Anne do series vs an older squad on the decline but a win is a win.
Had they played more bilaterals post 2011, I believe india would have closed the gap to about a 10 ish game difference. I don't see india decimating pakistan consistently as pakistan will always be a great side.
Lol..I was. But again who'd expect Sarfi to win the toss and chase
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World Cups are played to win the World Cup, not count how many times you beat Pakistan. This "world cup streak" that Indians love to use is just indicative of the overall Pakistan-obsession in India...everything from federal elections to world cups seem to revolve around Pakistan.
Every other team plays the world cup to WIN the world cup, that's the ultimate prize. It appears beat Pakistan in the world cup is all that matters to Indians.
They can't bare the fact Pakistan owns them in overall ODIs and Tests
In Urdu it's referred to as "Choti Choti Khushiyan" or little bouts of happiness.
Every other team plays the world cup to WIN the world cup, that's the ultimate prize. It appears beat Pakistan in the world cup is all that matters to Indians.
They can't bare the fact Pakistan owns them in overall ODIs and Tests
In Urdu it's referred to as "Choti Choti Khushiyan" or little bouts of happiness.
I always feel with WCs wins dont matter unless you win the whole thing, I always feel the same way in any tournament sport. As soon as your team win a game you start thinking about the next one and so on and the further you go in the tournament the more important the win becomes as if you lose all wins become useless.
Tournament sport only a win matter however you win. If you don't win move on to the next one. Slightly off topic but cricket should be played in two formats one the current WC and one league cricket.
Tournament sport only a win matter however you win. If you don't win move on to the next one. Slightly off topic but cricket should be played in two formats one the current WC and one league cricket.
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Pakistan surely would love this "Choti Choti Khushiyan" atleast once
Wouldnt it?
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Pakistan surely would love this "Choti Choti Khushiyan" atleast once
Beating India anytime would be fun. We've done it 72 times already.
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it's 73 - 55 boys. not 70 50.
18 games difference.
india would have closed that gap to about 10 had both teams regularly played bilaterals post 2012. who cares anyway.
bilaterals Don't mean anything. it's all about testing and finding your team combination. same applies to tri series.
tournaments matter. ICC tournaments, champions trophy, Asia cup, other cups involving 4 or more teams.
18 games difference.
india would have closed that gap to about 10 had both teams regularly played bilaterals post 2012. who cares anyway.
bilaterals Don't mean anything. it's all about testing and finding your team combination. same applies to tri series.
tournaments matter. ICC tournaments, champions trophy, Asia cup, other cups involving 4 or more teams.
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