I am talking of World Cup or ICC Trophy final. 200 run defeat will always haunt you!! As that Sikh guy on the famous yourube.com video said "mircha ta buath laganiya, saadh ta bauth pena!" We smashed you to pieces when Dhoni and your golden boy Kohli were both playing! What is the overall record again??
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I am talking of World Cup or ICC Trophy final. 200 run defeat will always haunt you!! As that Sikh guy on the famous yourube.com video said "mircha ta buath laganiya, saadh ta bauth pena!" We smashed you to pieces when Dhoni and your golden boy Kohli were both playing! What is the overall record again??
But you only won the WC once after defeating us some years back. You also defeated us in 1992 when we won the trophy! It was not our fault that it rained besides the second time you won it was in home conditions, remember that advantage. We have defeated you more times in both one day and tests face to face and you still are perhaps the only side never to have produced a genuine fast bowler. This is why you are always envious of our speedsters. I still recall Lala hammering you making that kid cry in the Asia Cup some years back! The fact that you had a second rate side in the 1980's is not our problem, we still use to hammer you like a nail in the wall! How about the BCCI birthday or something when we put you in your place, afterwards or before the event your Sunil Dutt was handing out shawls. lolz!
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Question should be IND PAK WC streak vs record in finals
This is for all Indians who claimed that Pakistan has won useless matches
they have got thrashed in most finals by Pakistan
In fact thanks to India Pakistan has won most tournament finals than any other team in history.
This is for all Indians who claimed that Pakistan has won useless matches
they have got thrashed in most finals by Pakistan
In fact thanks to India Pakistan has won most tournament finals than any other team in history.
Good job, congrats on most won matches
You got the message, eventually. Damn right we won more then you have!
I am not Indian brother and no, you have not won more than us, please make a note of this.
If you are not Indian then who is "us"?? Here it is in plain English, we have won more.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/pakvi...ummary.html?class=2;id=6;id=7;type=headtohead
Australian living in USA, precisely in NJ. As I said congrats to you but why so much arrogance to the point to post a link to convince me or anyone. If you have won more then enjoy and chill. Why unnecessary show off?
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So 11-0 streak in the WC is not haunting but CT loss will haunt Indians for next 25 yrs
who are you fooling here. Go tell folks who broke TVs in Pak that CT final win is bigger than WC games.speaking of haunting ... here enjoy the haunting read by you fellow Pakistan fans:
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...most-heartbreaking-painful-defeats-in-cricket
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...s-given-not-out-in-2011-World-Cup-Saeed-Ajmal
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I can see Kohli breaking this streak. Maybe not in next years World Cup, but definitely in one of the T20 World Cups coming up in 2020 and 2021.
So 11-0 streak in the WC is not haunting but CT loss will haunt Indians for next 25 yrs
Talking about FINALS if you had cared to read my previous comments. I will say it again you have never defeated Pak in a 50 over WC or CT final
Has 200 runs defeat got to your head coz you seem upset! What happened to Sehwag and co together and that man who was singing songs at the border one day prior to the epic humiliation dished out to you last year! Next day he was crying on TV!!
)))I posted Saeed Anwar's 194. Should I post Miandad's last ball six as well that ended Chetan Sharma's career! I can play the same game as well!
For some reason I am reminded of that bilateral series these teams used to play every year in Canada and, at least for the years I used to watch it, how Pakistan would always humiliate India. Strange that it never happened in the Word Cup games.
I posted Saeed Anwar's 194. Should I post Miandad's last ball six as well that ended Chetan Sharma's career! I can play the same game as well!
Go ahead two can easily play this game
That's a major ICC ODI tournament and you said India never won a final against Pak. 7 countries played it and I proved you wrong. As far as CT win, did anyone deny that Pak smashed India? No one did.
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Talking about FINALS if you had cared to read my previous comments. I will say it again you have never defeated Pak in a 50 over WC or CT final
http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8533/game/65731/india-vs-pakistan-final-bh-world-champ-1984-85
We won against you in finals of a 50 over world finals, won in T20 finals, we won against you in group matches of CT.
You have not won even a bowl out against us in World cups.. gotta live with these taunts till you break it
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Judging by Indian reactions here, obviously first game of the CT. Doesn't matter Pakistan won the final by literally whipping the poor eleven players unfortunate enough to play for India that day, India did aswell as Pakistan with a 1-1 aggregate in the tournament.
Also, India won their first game through a good performance. Pakistan won the Champions Trophy final by 180 runs with a fluke.
Why are we fighting over this? The case is very simple.
You're on a Pak forum - here, most of the people will chest thump over the non-World Cup record, except some who bother to think.
Similarly, if you go to an IND forum, people will blindly chest-thump over the World Cup dominance.
Reality is, the dominance in World Cup holds far more weight, and in percentage terms, it is 100% dominance, without even a SINGLE win for PAK.
The success rate is 100%, that statistical figure alone is enough. Let alone the importance of the stage.
HOWEVER.
This does not mean IND team of yesteryears was better than Pakistan's. Pak team was brilliant and far more better.
Things only started to change in Mid-2000s. And as of now, the difference is being reduced again.
You're on a Pak forum - here, most of the people will chest thump over the non-World Cup record, except some who bother to think.
Similarly, if you go to an IND forum, people will blindly chest-thump over the World Cup dominance.
Reality is, the dominance in World Cup holds far more weight, and in percentage terms, it is 100% dominance, without even a SINGLE win for PAK.
The success rate is 100%, that statistical figure alone is enough. Let alone the importance of the stage.
HOWEVER.
This does not mean IND team of yesteryears was better than Pakistan's. Pak team was brilliant and far more better.
Things only started to change in Mid-2000s. And as of now, the difference is being reduced again.
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Dominance in bilateral shows a team's consistency to dominate its opposition and it being a better team quality wise.
Dominance in WC shows a team's mental ability to punch above the weight to topple their opposition on the biggest stage.
One can say that Pakistani team has been qualitatively better than India but has been mentally weaker.
Dominance in WC shows a team's mental ability to punch above the weight to topple their opposition on the biggest stage.
One can say that Pakistani team has been qualitatively better than India but has been mentally weaker.
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A question to all numpties who are saying that only WC wins matter...
Do batsman’s/bowlers stats only count in WC matches?
H2H shows dominance over a longer duration. A little like how most football clubs value winning there respective league over any other tournemounts. I appreciate Cricket is slightly different and WC wins are big but they are one off games and most times a coin flip(luck)
Do batsman’s/bowlers stats only count in WC matches?
H2H shows dominance over a longer duration. A little like how most football clubs value winning there respective league over any other tournemounts. I appreciate Cricket is slightly different and WC wins are big but they are one off games and most times a coin flip(luck)
You mean 11 -0 is luck and 70 -50 is not luck? I repeat it again ,we would love to win a match on 16june 2019 for which whole world has started to do preparation while we are ok if we loss few jamodis odis in between.,which we will not loss as well because we are n.o 1 odi and n.o 1 test team in the world but that 's not the point.
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You didn’t answer my question.
Do a Batsman/Bowlers stats only count in WC matches? Also how many of those WC games were held in India and how many in Pakistan?
Tests: (Pakistan 12; India 9)
ODIs: (Pakistan 73; India 52)
T20Is: (India 6; Pakistan 1)
Overall Pakistan has been more dominant, India have been good in the last few years but they well never be regarded as a great team because they’ve run away from proving it playing a series against Pakistan and winning.
Do a Batsman/Bowlers stats only count in WC matches? Also how many of those WC games were held in India and how many in Pakistan?
Tests: (Pakistan 12; India 9)
ODIs: (Pakistan 73; India 52)
T20Is: (India 6; Pakistan 1)
Overall Pakistan has been more dominant, India have been good in the last few years but they well never be regarded as a great team because they’ve run away from proving it playing a series against Pakistan and winning.
Are we talking about stats or wins .World cup wins dude..not something like limca shimca kitley cups...okkk...Why are tou talking about stats. Stats shows india is 11-0 win against pakistan in all world cup games from the start of earth till now. And its not like you have won 70-0 in bilateral then also we cud have given it a thought.
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Obviously, bilateral performances matter a lot. However, tournaments are far more significant and carry far more value.
That is why with your username, you have decided to pay homage to the three captains who have trophies for Pakistan, and not the captains who have won numerous bilateral matches and series.
Pakistan's superior H2H record shows that over the course of the history of both teams, Pakistan were largely the better team. However, Pakistan have less to show for their superiority because (a) they have lost to India in World Cups every single time and b) it has one less World Cup than India.
Even though Pakistan was the better team in the 80s and 90s, they could not make it count. We really should have won more than one World Cup in the 90s and the 87 World Cup was there for the taking as well.
India's World Cup superiority would not have been a big deal if it was let's say 7-4 or even 8-3; however, the fact that they have beaten us literally every single time in World Cups since 1992 gives them the bragging rights that our dominance in bilateral encounters cannot make up for.
Secondly, India does not need to play Pakistan to be a considered a great team. Pakistan is not the gold standard of cricket - we have been a mediocre outfit for pretty much throughout this decade, save for a few Test series in front of the empty stadiums of the UAE.
In fact, it is our great fortune that we have only played one ODI series with India in the 2010 era - if Pakistan vs India would have been a regular thing in this era, our superior H2H record would have been dented severely.
India are the best all-format team in the world at the moment. They are not invincible, but they will beat most teams in most conditions across formats. Pakistan are far behind and they do not have to play us to validate their superiority.
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- This last bit is hypothetical, we beat them in CT final and they beat us in the group stage. Based on your theory no weak teams should play weak teams and strong, strong. Sport has never been a foregone conclusion!
Also you’ve used we/our suggesting your from Pakistan. If that’s the case then support us and not waste your time debating for India!
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It is a "what if", but you also need to look at things logically. Pakistan's record against the top teams in ODIs has been embarrassing for years, and India has been a top team for much of this decade. It is only logical to assume that had we played regular bilateral cricket in this decade, they would have won more than us, even if we entertain the possibility that we would have raised our game against them.
I agree that the World Cup defeats that resulted in our elimination hurt more than the ones that didn't affect our prospects of winning the tournament. However, we cannot disregard the other defeats because our 100% losing record against them in World Cups is very, very embarrassing.
Pakistan vs India is the most hyped up encounter in World Cups, and to see us fall short every single time is very disappointing. Of course I would love to win a World Cup rather than beat India, but I really think we have to end the streak as soon as possible because it is becoming a joke now.
As I said earlier, if Pakistan would have had the unbeaten streak in World Cup and India would have had a better record in bilateral cricket, no Pakistani fan would have swapped the World Cup streak for the superior record in bilateral cricket.
If Pakistan would have won more (or equal) number of World Cups relative to India, the World Cup losing streak would not sting much. However, not only have India thrashed us every single time in World Cups, they have also won it two times compared to us (once).
Hence, their 100% dominance over us in World Cups and two World Cup trophies make our 73-51 record largely irrelevant.
2 World Cups, 51 wins, 100% winning record in World Cups is a lot better than:
1 World Cup, 73 wins, 100% losing record in World Cups.
I would happily trade our +21 record in bilateral cricket for an additional World Cup trophy and a perfect record in World Cup H2H matches, and I am sure so would every other Pakistani irrespective of whether they admit or not.
If it was the other way round, we would have never traded a World Cup trophy and a perfect record in World cup matches for 20 odd wins in Sharjah, Kitply, Cherry Blossom, Pepsi, Boom Boom gum matches etc.
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No need to apologize - your formatting is fine, and welcome to the forum.
A weaker team can beat a stronger team in one off games, but over the course of 5-6 matches, the better team usually prevails.
There is a reason why Pakistan have lost over 80% of its bilateral series against the top sides in this decade, and the results of most of those series were a foregone conclusion before a ball was bowled.
For the same reasons, a few of us knew that we will lose the series in NZ and not carry the so-called Champions Trophy momentum, because NZ are simply a better ODI team at the moment. We can beat them once or twice, but we will not win a 5 match series against them.
India, England, New Zealand, South Africa, Australia (though debatable minus Smith/Warner) will all beat Pakistan in a bilateral series. However, it does not mean we cannot win a match against them every now and then.
I support Pakistan but I prefer to be realistic. I make no bones about the fact the India have been a comfortably superior side for years now, and I do not see that changing in the future. They have left Pakistan cricket behind at all levels, and they do not need to play against us to prove their worth.
Pakistan has been reducing to a middling cricket nation like Sri Lanka and New Zealand. We no longer have the clout that India, Australia, England and to an extent South Africa has.
Do I wish things get better? Of course. However, I will not pretend that things are okay just because I want them to be okay.
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In this post you contradicting yourself. The post is about h2h vs WC wins.
Based on this this you value the h2h over one off WC wins?
I’m actually confused because your changing the narrative to make it favourable to India!
Best quote of the week!
[MENTION=146791]Ik92yk09sa17[/MENTION] bilaterals have some meaning when the highest-stage record is not such woeful. 100%, complete dominance, without a SINGLE win over SO MANY matches.
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The funny part is no Indian denying CT final loss was shocking but they want us to keep crying for that loss for the next 25 years bco we lost by huge margin..on some thread one great poster gone to extent sayng even if India win the next World cup ths CT loss will still haunt Indians...he expect us to take REVANGE by defeating Pakistan in ICC tournament final...
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Sir, I am not contradicting myself. I am simply replying to your point.
I said:
To which you replied:
To which I replied:
My point is that winning in World Cups hold far more significance than winning in bilateral series that have little context in the grand scheme of things.
However, the only reason why we still hold a +21 lead in bilateral records is because we have only played one series with them in this decade.
Considering how poor we have been against the top sides, it is pretty obvious that had we played India regularly in this period, they would have bridged the gap considerably as far as the H2H record is concerned.
Furthermore, India has won more World Cups than us. Their two World Cups + their 100% record against Pakistan in World Cups more than make up for their inferior H2H record in bilateral cricket.
Deep down, every Pakistani would happily trade the +21 bilateral lead for a second World Cup trophy and a 100% record against India in World Cups.
It is disappointing, but yet not surprising that were are unwilling to accept the truth because of our ego.
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This is all based on opinion, ultimately you have yours and me mine and in the whole I disagree with yours.
The only thing I agree with you in is that’d I’d swap the H2H record for another World Cup, the 100% record doesn’t mean anything. It will soon go and then there will be nothing more to talk about.
The rest of what you’re saying is based on theory which sport consistently disproves. India might be in a better state currently but that doesn’t mean they would definitely bridge the gap. An example; Man City have dominated the premiership but they’ve lost 3 out the 4 games they’ve played against Liverpool.
Using the same logic why are you gloating about the H2H record then ? It is nowhere near as 100% onesided as the WC H2H record. It never was even in the past.
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You’ve got me wrong, I haven’t gloated once. You might be using the wrong word, maybe?
I have an opinion and if you don’t agree then that’s cool.
H2H shows who’s been better over a period of time(since the start of both playing Cricket) WC wins are one off games that can be decided by a flip of a coin.
Also people including t20 win to the 11 need to be educated, might be wrong but India have had home advantage atleast twice out of the six wins. More than in any sport, home advantage in cricket pretty much guarantees a team a victory.
If you guys hold no value in H2H stats then stick to watching WC’s only.
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Bilateral series wins over world cup group matches but yes certainly world cup knockout matches over bilaterals. I so wish we had won 1996 wc quarterfinal and 2011 wc semi final. Actually 1996 wc quarter final is my oldest cricket memory, Jadeja spanking Waqar for 40 runs in last 2 overs and then stupidity from Amir Sohail.
Nope
WC wins are not one off which can be decided by the flip of a coin.If that was the case,Pakistan would've won atleast 4-5 WC matches out of the 11.
No poster here is saying that bilateral matches are irrelevant but there value is nowhere near when compared to WC matches.
That's the only point which you are still not getting.
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Why is the value nowhere near? Out of the 6 wins India only went on win 1 World Cup and in the same period Pakistan have won 1 aswell. Apart from bragging rights, what else have India gained by these wins?
This is your opinion and I understand it. However I support and enjoy every moment we win regardless of the occasion and we’ve been blesssed to have that moment more often then India.
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India has the superior record against Pakistan in World Cups.
However, those victories have kicked Pakistan out of the tournament only twice (96’ and 11’).
Pakistan has the superior bilateral record with their last series win in India.
Indo-PAK rivalry is defined not by records but moments and the memories they inspire. These moments define the future between the two.
India had the wood on Pakistan until Miandad’s six, than regained that wood in the 07’ T20 WC Final and have now lost it again in the 17’ CT Final.
It’s a matter of what decade you watch cricket that determines who the better team is.
However, those victories have kicked Pakistan out of the tournament only twice (96’ and 11’).
Pakistan has the superior bilateral record with their last series win in India.
Indo-PAK rivalry is defined not by records but moments and the memories they inspire. These moments define the future between the two.
India had the wood on Pakistan until Miandad’s six, than regained that wood in the 07’ T20 WC Final and have now lost it again in the 17’ CT Final.
It’s a matter of what decade you watch cricket that determines who the better team is.
Bro I know it hurts but it is what it is.There is a reason why AB devilliers(who was by far the best player in the world) and his teammates cried after losing the WC semi match against NZ.
I Still remember almost every single thing about that WC 2003 clash with Pakistan.The hype arouund that match was unreal.The atmosphere was completely different which you can never ever find in Ind-Pak Bilateral match.
If someone ask me to choose between That WC 2003 match(it was not knockout match) or that India series win(4-1 I think) where Yuvi and Dhoni dominated.I will pick that WC win every single time without thinking twice.And I'm not lying just to prove my point.
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Cool story bro... I can’t respect a fan that is able to support his team with a flick of a switch.
I’m sure you could have heard a pin drop the last time Pakistan toured India.
The odd's of a coin toss going in favor of India 6 out of 6 times in 50 ovr WC ( and then 5 out of 5 times in T20Is) are soo small that it is statistically negligible. 1 / ( 2^ 11 ) = 0.0004882.
Also having an opinion is one thing but backing that up with facts and proper logic is quite another. If winning these big matches was lottery and ofcourse a lesser achievement then you would be having the same sort of delirium after bilateral series win just like you did after CT 2017. Here facts dont agree with your opinion.
Also no home team had ever won the WC at home till India did it in 2011. Again a case of facts not agreeing with you.
So basically you have nothing relevant to add.Good
And I've always been Fan of my team.ALWAYS
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Lol why are you taking it so literally? But as you have, in how many of these six games did India win the toss?
You’re an idiot if you don’t believe playing at home is an advantage? There is a reason why the term ‘home advantage’ is used. Check India’s record at home vs away and you will find the ‘facts’
In 2011 India manipulated the pitches to suit them, Australia learnt and done the same. This will be the trend going forward...
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Good. I’m glad I’ve made you realise
All jokes aside, I get what you mean but it doesn’t change my opinion on it.
Since the First IND-PAK WC match in 1992WC,
India won 13 matches and lost 17 against Pakistan at HOME
At the same time
India won 11 matches and lost 8 matches against Pakistan in Pakistan
Your Home advantage point can't get any weaker.
It was not me who compared a WC match outcome to the outcome of a coin toss ... it was you. And I proceeded to show you using simple mathematics how horribly wrong you were. The logic is if WC matches can be decided by the flip of a coin like you claimed then the chances of India winning in 6 out of 6 tries plus 5 out of 5 in T20Is is sooo far away from the actual outcome (100% Success ) that it makes no sense to use that excuse.
So the reason why before 2011 no other team was able to Win a WC at home is .... ? And calm down I can quite easily outgun you in throwing insults. Its very easy.
so what kind of pitches did India get for their matches in 2011 according to you ? Can you describe that in simple words ?
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good post.. you are speaking realistically.. much appreciated brother..
ps but please be optimistic.. things will change for sure IA..
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The Mamoon guy may sound a bit harsh towards pakistan but he is actually speaking sense.. he is being realistic that INDIA is actually far better than Pakistan in recent times.. but we are improving and we'll get there IA..
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Oh these stats are great. It’s all a myth, Pakistan and India should both be winning series in England and Australia.
I give up
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He does talk some sense, they are very good and the structure they have in place is scary if you support anyone but India.
The sense was lost when he implied that Pakistan would have just have let them win had we played games in the last 5-6 years. It’s never that conclusive in sport.
Play us, beat us, shut us up
But Indian people often say we don't live in the past!! Why go back over 30 years when we can talk about the last Indo-Pak meeting!!!
You are right, I did not know about 1985 coz I as not born then! You can't deny last years coz it is a fact but you need a reminder of over all Pak-Bharat results.http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8533/game/65731/india-vs-pakistan-final-bh-world-champ-1984-85
We won against you in finals of a 50 over world finals, won in T20 finals, we won against you in group matches of CT.
You have not won even a bowl out against us in World cups.. gotta live with these taunts till you break it
But we have one more matches overall that is a painful FACT for you. Do you deny that?? I ddare you too do so! We beat you more often then you have us in Tests as well
. I know it is hard to accceppt but that is the truth for you. It bites like an Alsatian!!
We beat you by 200 runs last year to win the tournament!No one can deny Pak won more bilaterals and one CT. No one can deny India won 11-0 and they have also won two CTs and one more WC. Both teams are strong. Plz do not fight. Try to improve further and start winning in AUS/NZ/SA consistently. Good luck to both.
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Answer the question with an answer then I will be happy to answer yours.
If you ask sensible questions then yes ... otherwise you will get rhetorical responses. Can you defend your illogical opinions about home as advantage and coin flip ?
But Indian people often say we don't live in the past!! Why go back over 30 years when we can talk about the last Indo-Pak meeting!!!
After you got exposed now 85 world championships win is not counted as that is 30 yrs ago. Lol. Keep pushing the goal post. Btw we have won 1 more WC and CT than your team. Still no answer for that yet.
What’s the excuse you have, we have achieved a lot more than your team in LOI? Excuse is 83 WC not counted as that was more than 30 yrs ago?
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Illogical? Ok.
Coming from the guy who doesn’t believe winning the toss or playing at home is an advantage.
5 out 6 coin tosses and 33% of the games played at home. Flip that in Pakistan’s favour and the outcome could have been different.
Not enough games have been played in WC to allow it to even out, hence the h2h is a truer reflection of who has been the more dominant team overall.
You don’t have to respond, debate it with yourself and hopefully you’ll see sense.
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I think you are conflating a few different things - WC trophies, overall H2H, WC H2H, etc. Clearly, 2 WC trophies is better than 1, so India is clearly ahead there. And it's also obvious that winning a world cup requires much from either team than just defeating the other. We have clearly shown this in 92, and had another shot in 99, and India in 2011 had to do much more than just beat us to win the WC.
Therefore, this WC H2H is nothing more than a cool talking point (I agree, if Pakistan was up 10-0 or whatever, I'd be brandishing it too). It is a subset of the overall H2H, and as mentioned above, in itself does not amount to WC success unless you are the type of fan who shows up to WC only to beat your arch rival.
It comes down to: 2 WCs and -19 H2H deficit vs. 1 WC and +19 H2H superiority. Fans can debate what they would prefer, and arguments can be made both ways. All I know is if Pakistan wins another world, despite losing to India, the story will be 2 WCs each and a +18 H2H record. At that point as an Indian fan, all you are left with is the 10-0/11-0 sliver of a stat.
All of this is comparing two teams against each other. True aggregate prowess of a team requires broader analysis, W/L ratio, etc. Pretty sure Pakistan has a better record against all teams than India does.
After you got exposed now 85 world championships win is not counted as that is 30 yrs ago. Lol. Keep pushing the goal post. Btw we have won 1 more WC and CT than your team. Still no answer for that yet.
What’s the excuse you have, we have achieved a lot more than your team in LOI? Excuse is 83 WC not counted as that was more than 30 yrs ago?
"Exposed"? What exposed and 85 championship win?? I am having trouble in understanding your sentences
I said you are talking of ancient times when Indian people say we don't like living in the past?
Oh okay, congrats for winning the second WC in home conditions
We tanked you in England, Anwar scored 194 in India and Lala hammed you in Dubai. Shall I go back as well about 47 years? Where are your fast bowlers???Tosses do not affect the outcome of the match. India have lost the toss 3 times and have still won the match. Whereas they lost in CT despite winning the toss.
Overall in the history of ODIs W/L ratio for teams winning the Toss is remarkably pretty even (1923 Wins vs 1909 losses )
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=won;template=results;toss=1;type=team
"Exposed"? What exposed and 85 championship win?? I am having trouble in understanding your sentences
First you said we have never beaten you in finals of any world tournament. After we mentioned this world championship win, you added this new 30 yrs filter. Now you have this new excuse that you could not understand what I wrote. Nice try.
What is wrong in wining WC at home ? Those world cups are not counted just like our 85 world championship tournament due to 30 yr filter? ICC gave India and Australia different type of WC when they won WC at home? Winning WC at home is easy? Don’t tell that to Eng. what happened to your great 90s team when they played WC at home.
What does Anwar’s 194 in random kitply Cup have to do with our discussion? And also about Lala.
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Thanks! Very interesting, I didn’t expect that.
I’m not sure if it will significantly change but can you send me the link of what it is in World Cup matches only?
I think I have an explanation.
Its actual worse for Teams winning the Toss in WC Matches
So teams winning the toss have won 185 times and lost 204 times
Link for WC Matches :
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...n;template=results;toss=1;trophy=12;type=team
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But we have one more matches overall that is a painful FACT for you. Do you deny that?? I ddare you too do so! We beat you more often then you have us in Tests as well
No one denied that. Jokes aside how does it feel to not able to beat your arch rivals even once in World cups?
I just want to know that feeling
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Well Anwar's 194 record is broken and current record is 264 in ODI's.
Kumble's 10 fer against you folks still stands tall , you can't better it but at least try to equal that
PS: Before you bring DRS availability now, guess how Anwar made that score? With 4 legs...
Kumble's 10 fer against you folks still stands tall , you can't better it but at least try to equal that
PS: Before you bring DRS availability now, guess how Anwar made that score? With 4 legs...
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I have always preferred grand slams over atp tours.
Oh these stats are great. It’s all a myth, Pakistan and India should both be winning series in England and Australia.
I give up ����*
Judging by your stubbornness to continue fight against the obvious,I'll try to discuss your "Home advantage" point further in most simplest manner possible.
NO. Subcontinent sides have badly struggled in England and Australia.
You know why?Because stats clearly prove it.You can check if you want.
If Subcontinent sides were continously winning series against England and Australia.Then I would've agreed to your statement.
Unfortunately that's not the case as proven by stats.
On more relevant topic
India has W/L ratio of 1.375 against pakistan in Pakistan over a substantial period of time(1992-2018).
Whereas India has W/L ratio of 0.764 against Pakistan in India over a substantial Period of time(1992-2018).And it also include those WC matches.
It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that your "Home advantage" point is weak.
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I think what he mean is that India doctored Pitches only when India played against Pakistan in a WC match.
But India didn't bother to doctor pitches during Bilateral series in India.
Atleast he realises that India value WC wins against Pakistan over any Bilateral series wins.
Apologies for Incorrect stats
Here is correct stat for ODIs
India has W/L ratio of 1.500 against pakistan in Pakistan over a substantial period of time(1992-2018).
Whereas India has W/L ratio of 0.615 against Pakistan in India over a substantial Period of time(1992-2018).And it also include those 2 WC wins.
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Would sacrifice some of our bilateral wins for a couple of more wins in the WC against India.
I'm sure most on this forum would rather have won the 2011 WC semi then have won the 2012 series in India.
I'm sure most on this forum would rather have won the 2011 WC semi then have won the 2012 series in India.
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I remember that Eng has a dominant record against Pakistan so your statement can't be true. I just checked and I guess it's time to update some views including mine.
India has a better W/L than Pakistan vs,
SL
WI
Eng
NZ
Aus
SA
In short, India has better W/L than Pakistan against pretty much every single big boys in history.
Some one can correct me if I am reading the stats wrong, but I didn't expect this myself. I thought Pakistan will have better W/L against some countries. Also, difference in W/L is not large in some cases so it may be result of India doing well in the last 10-15 years.
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you're Right.That Can't be possible.
India vs NON MINNOWS
India's W/L ratio is 0.969 across 816 matches.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=won;team=6;template=results;type=team
Pakistan vs NON MINNOWS
Pakistan W/L ratio is 0.945 across 771 matches.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...orderby=won;team=7;template=results;type=team
I'm surprised to see that India have performed better than Pakistan against Non-Minnows.
Last 10 to 15 yrs we have made a considerable difference to our net w/l undoing all the debacles from the previous ERAs
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