India should aim not just to beat but to humiliate England this summer

[Bhaijaan]

Issued in Public Interest

Dear Bhaijanites,

Yesterday our beloved team lost an important test match and in the course also lost the test series in England.

It is a heart breaking moment for Indian cricket and for the most genuine lovers of test cricket in India for whom any test defeat is worse than losing an LOI tournament final.

I know my you are heart broken, devastated and probably cried yourselves to sleep last night.

I wanted to give you this moment of introspection and solitude.

Please remember however that hope is the biggest weapon there is.

Let us be big hearted men.

We will overcome this.

Let us be gracious in defeat and give the English the respect they deserve for outplaying us to arguably their finest test series win in the modern era.

The sun will rise again.

We will win again.

Stay strong.

Well done England. You fought hard and you came out on top. Credit to you. But we will continue to fight and we will come back hard at you in the 5th test playing for pride.

Until then let us be good men.

Cheers.

With love from your Bhaijaan.

 

[Xoib]

Issued in Public Interest

Dear Bhaijanites,

Yesterday our beloved team lost an important test match and in the course also lost the test series in England.

It is a heart breaking moment for Indian cricket and for the most genuine lovers of test cricket in India for whom any test defeat is worse than losing an LOI tournament final.

I know my you are heart broken, devastated and probably cried yourselves to sleep last night.

I wanted to give you this moment of introspection and solitude.

Please remember however that hope is the biggest weapon there is.

Let us be big hearted men.

We will overcome this.

Let us be gracious in defeat and give the English the respect they deserve for outplaying us to arguably their finest test series win in the modern era.

The sun will rise again.

We will win again.

Stay strong.

Well done England. You fought hard and you came out on top. Credit to you. But we will continue to fight and we will come back hard at you in the 5th test playing for pride.

Until then let us be good men.

Cheers.

With love from your Bhaijaan.

England finest win in modern era if by modern we mean this decade then the 2011 Ashes series win in Australia and away win vs India in 2012 are head and shoulders their best heck their destruction of World # 1 India in 2011 is their finest at home this decade this series is a standard home series win for them probably as cherished as the series win vs SA last year at home

 

[kuskash]

Only humiliated one here is India I love to see their fans sitting there in silence when Indian wickets are going down. Now win the last one as well England that will complete another miserable tour for England after they lost to RSA.

Good to see you happy in third party’s defeat by second party.

 

[Robert]

England finest win in modern era if by modern we mean this decade then the 2011 Ashes series win in Australia and away win vs India in 2012 are head and shoulders their best heck their destruction of World # 1 India in 2011 is their finest at home this decade this series is a standard home series win for them probably as cherished as the series win vs SA last year at home

I concur. I would also go back to the come-from-behind win in SL in 2000, the win in SA in 2004 and of course the titanic Ashes duel in 2005.

But thanks for the generosity [MENTION=65183]freelance_cricketer[/MENTION].

 

[kuskash]

I dunno where to put this, but Indian media is absolutely destroying their cricket team right now. Careers finishing left, right and centre

I think it’s much needed. Overhaul is needed. I was surprised despite one man show especially in batting how close they came of winning couple of matches. Only if few batsmen showed up, it would be a fantastic series for Indian brothers.

 

[Pakhs]

I think it’s much needed. Overhaul is needed. I was surprised despite one man show especially in batting how close they came of winning couple of matches. Only if few batsmen showed up, it would be a fantastic series for Indian brothers.

They came close only because England was equally bad! Its a big chance missed by India.

 

[Slim]

Good to see you happy in third party’s defeat by second party.

Dont know about him but sad to see you being so SALTY over a third party's loss over a second party as you claimed recently that you are not an indian.

 

[kuskash]

Dont know about him but sad to see you being so SALTY over a third party's loss over a second party as you claimed recently that you are not an indian.

Not at all bro. I feel happy when any Asian team does well against SENA regardless be it Ind, Pak, SL, Bang. Because I consider it as a big achievement for Asian players. It is not nice to just troll, troll and troll that's why I replied in such tone. But I think this is how it works on forums.

 

[Slim]

Not at all bro. I feel happy when any Asian team does well against SENA regardless be it Ind, Pak, SL, Bang. Because I consider it as a big achievement for Asian players. It is not nice to just troll, troll and troll that's why I replied in such tone. But I think this is how it works on forums.

You do realize the word SENA is used exclusively by indian posters and it was started just recently as well. Not surprised to see you disowning your own country. Typical.

 

[kuskash]

You do realize the word SENA is used exclusively by indian posters and it was started just recently as well. Not surprised to see you disowning your own country. Typical.

To be honest, I did not know the word SENA is copyrighted. Just thought it would be easier to write in short form which is understood here rather than typing more.

 

[Artaxerxes]

India missed a golden opportunity to win a test series in England.On paper Indian batting looked very strong but it proved to be worse than the brittle England batting.Indians also lack aggression.

 

[PakLFC]

Good to see you happy in third party’s defeat by second party.

I am happy because India has again proved they are nothing away from home. That is why the BCCI always wants to play at home.

 

[James]

Still a good win for England - but this is nowhere near the 2010 Ashes, winning in India in 2012 and winning in South Africa in 2016.

Three amazing away wins, that were all a lot to do with the great and now departing Alastair Cook incidentally enough.

 

[Ab Fan]

Looks like 4-1 on the corner.

Nevermind, we have got analysts who will give us a clear indication of how this series has went through and what the actual result should have been.

Btw, in England, this decade:-

the scorecard is:-

England 10-2 India

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Looks like 4-1 on the corner.

Nevermind, we have got analysts who will give us a clear indication of how this series has went through and what the actual result should have been.

Btw, in England, this decade:-

the scorecard is:-

England 10-2 India

You are not doing justice. This team is the best touring team in last 15-20 years. If you are concerned about stats, then Windies tour is in the pipe. We thrash every team at home.

 

[CricVet]

You are not doing justice. This team is the best touring INDIAN team in last 15-20 years. If you are concerned about stats, then Windies tour is in the pipe. We thrash every team at home.

Fixed.

 

[Ab Fan]

You are not doing justice. This team is the best touring team in last 15-20 years. If you are concerned about stats, then Windies tour is in the pipe. We thrash every team at home.

The best touring team was taken to cleaners when they toured SA and the series was done and dusted in the first two tests itself.

The best touring team was again smashed when they toured England and right now we are playing a dead rubber in England after already losing the ODI and test series. Never mind, India did won the gully-danda format of the game.

The best touring team is now expected to humiliate Australia in Australia as there is no Smith and Warner in the XI. It is to be seen what kind of humiliation Kohli and co serves to Australia in Australia's den.

This is a legendary team at home, never- mind but I am not sure if this team could have defeated Australia of 2000-01 at home either. Do this Indian team has in them to turn on the table the way VVS and Dravid did it in that series or could Ashwin deliver back-to-wall performance considering the several instances when he has failed to do so?

 

[happydavy]

You are not doing justice. This team is the best touring team in last 15-20 years. If you are concerned about stats, then Windies tour is in the pipe. We thrash every team at home.

I thot we went to England to play against england. How come all of a sudden we are now competing against our own past teams?

 

[Ab Fan]

I thot we went to England to play against england. How come all of a sudden we are now competing against our own past teams?

Because some including Shastri think this is the best touring Indian side in last 15-20 years.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Because some including Shastri think this is the best touring Indian side in last 15-20 years.

Bro you read my post but, you missed something.

S A R C A S M

 

[Ab Fan]

Bro you read my post but, you missed something.

S A R C A S M

No, I didnt missed that. I am well aware of this and all your threads as well. I wasn't referring it to you at all.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

No, I didnt missed that. I am well aware of this and all your threads as well. I wasn't referring it to you at all.

I see, you were replying to [MENTION=147130]happydavy[/MENTION] post which he quoted for me. So, I thought u were referring to me by "some". Cool

 

[Ab Fan]

I see, you were replying to [MENTION=147130]happydavy[/MENTION] post which he quoted for me. So, I thought u were referring to me by "some". Cool

No, there are more posters as well, lol. I agree I made it a bit confusing, never mind.

 

[PakLFC]

It is humiliating only that it's the other way round to what the thread starter had hoped for. It will teach him a lesson of never speaking to soon! England ne toh Bharat ke chakkay chudadiye!!!

 

[InziFans]

It is humiliating only that it's the other way round to what the thread starter had hoped for. It will teach him a lesson of never speaking to soon! England ne toh Bharat ke chakkay chudadiye!!!

He has already started a similar thread for the Oz tour xD

 

[James]

The Indian bowlers have given a strong account of themselves, but the batsmen have largely been rubbish from what I can see.

4-1 although a bit harsh is probably a fair result.

 

[Hasan123]

Legendary thread.

 

[Ab Fan]

In the end, Bhaijaan is always right.

4-1 humiliation as predicted by our Bhaijaan.

 

[Robert]

Well done two India’s two centurions for taking it deep after the horror of 2-3.

Pant - what amazing skills!

 

[bujhee kom]

Certain mongs will still state that India outplayed England. Bar 1 fluke spell by HP leading to a win, they got gaped.

 

[Realromeo]

Never be cocky lol. Thanks to our bowlers for saving our face and avoiding another 5-0 whitewash. Pant's inning should put an end to Ms Dhoni's career in ODI and T20. Good fight by Rahul.

 

[bujhee kom]

Scotland defeat has initiated the humiliating summer for England.

Tougher times lie ahead. India will be bringing it. They will come hard at England and wikk take them by surprise.

India sure got taken.

 

[Ted123]

Issued in Public Interest

Dear Bhaijanites,

Yesterday our beloved team lost an important test match and in the course also lost the test series in England.

It is a heart breaking moment for Indian cricket and for the most genuine lovers of test cricket in India for whom any test defeat is worse than losing an LOI tournament final.

I know my you are heart broken, devastated and probably cried yourselves to sleep last night.

I wanted to give you this moment of introspection and solitude.

Please remember however that hope is the biggest weapon there is.

Let us be big hearted men.

We will overcome this.

Let us be gracious in defeat and give the English the respect they deserve for outplaying us to arguably their finest test series win in the modern era.

The sun will rise again.

We will win again.

Stay strong.

Well done England. You fought hard and you came out on top. Credit to you. But we will continue to fight and we will come back hard at you in the 5th test playing for pride.

Until then let us be good men.

Cheers.

With love from your Bhaijaan.

Quite generous after the big claims. But the result was not really worth describing it as "competitive".

 

[The lone Ranger]

Quite generous after the big claims. But the result was not really worth describing it as "competitive".

It was competitive as the differences were just 30, 60 and 100 runs in three games especially when the home team won all 5 tosses.

Btw there's absolutely no reason to bump this thread right now! So much obsession with India?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Can we do this time?

 

[Manunited18]

The Indian top order is weak, Gill and rohit will be walking wickets here for a start

 

[Kaka4pope]

Great chance for India this, last time out their bowlers looked good but were often cited as bowling too short a length, I’m sure they will rectify this time around. Between Bumrah, Shami, Siraj, Ishant + the others who performed in Oz, there’s every chance they can keep England to lower totals.

Fancy England to perform similar restrictions on India but with two tests in London, India’s spinner could get a lot of joy.

Be interesting to see what India do, reckon they’re strong enough to go with Pant at 6 giving room for bowling all rounder at 7 - Pandya/Jadeja plus Ashwin at 8 makes for a solid lower order.

5 tests packed together I think works for these two sides, because of the bench strengths, India have the better depth though, even overseas.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

What about Khaleel Ahmed?

 

[Bilal7]

What about Khaleel Ahmed?

I don't know. Haven't seen him bowl recently. Is he good?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I don't know. Haven't seen him bowl recently. Is he good?

Started as a 140k+ bowler but soon became a trundler. Currently he is average.

 

[Ab Fan]

Bumrah, Ishant and Siraj is the attack to go for in England conditions.

Shami and Bhuvi(if he is fit) should be other two options as we will play 6 tests in England this summer and may need to follow rotation policy.

Both Ashwin and Jadeja should play.

 

[Amjid Javed]

India should win 5-0 as they have won in Australia and winning a test series in england in last decade is much easier.

Only thing that will stop india is if england win the toss in games.

 

[Manunited18]

Mohammad Shami in England

27 wickets at an average of 47

Ishant Sharma in England

43 wickets averaging 33


Please take your cringeworthy bigotry elsewhere........

As a neutral definitely see shami a better all round bowler than sharma

 

[sindhiboy]

What about Khaleel Ahmed?

Might as well make shabaz nadeem the spinner

 

[Rajdeep]

India should open with Rahul who is potentially 50+ avg test batsman.

Pujara should be replaced with Gill at 3.

Worlds 2nd best all rounder after stokes i.e Pandya should play ahead of Jadeja as 2 spinners is not required in Eng.

KL Rahul
Rohit
Gill
Kohli
Rahane
Pant
Pandya
Ashwin
Shami
Bumrah
Ishant

 

[Mesozoic]

As a neutral definitely see shami a better all round bowler than sharma

Tough to say. Ishant has been much better in England, better in Australia, New Zealand and West Indies as well.

Shami is brilliant at home and has done well in South Africa.

 

[Ab Fan]

As a neutral definitely see shami a better all round bowler than sharma

Shami is better in Asia, Ishant is better in SENA.

 

[Bilal7]

Tough to say. Ishant has been much better in England, better in Australia, New Zealand and West Indies as well.

Shami is brilliant at home and has done well in South Africa.

Shami is miles ahead of where Ishant was after playing a similar number of test matches. India won't need to carry him for 70 matches if order for Shami to become a decent bowler. He's already a good bowler and has room to improve. Sharma will only degrade from here on out, his purple patch is close to being over.

Shami and Siraj need to be backed. Ishant can carry the drinks. Both will end up as far superior pacers than Ishant "the meme before memes" Sharma.

 

[Mesozoic]

Shami is miles ahead of where Ishant was after playing a similar number of test matches. India won't need to carry him for 70 matches if order for Shami to become a decent bowler. He's already a good bowler and has room to improve. Sharma will only degrade from here on out, his purple patch is close to being over.

Why are you jumping around goalposts?

You clearly said "Shami is better than Sharma" and now that I've shown you the mirror, you are back to giving useless reasoning of "when they played same number of Tests"...

Why bother to give out stupid statements if you have no clue?

 

[Bilal7]

Why are you jumping around goalposts?

You clearly said "Shami is better than Sharma" and now that I've shown you the mirror, you are back to giving useless reasoning of "when they played same number of Tests"...

Why bother to give out stupid statements if you have no clue?

You have no one but yourself to blame for your poor comprehension. Shami is a better bowler than Sharma and he is far better than Ishant was when he was on 50 tests.

Sharma may have better stats in England but that is because he's played 100 tests and India invested a lot in his mediocre bowler. I hope they give Shami a few chances in England and he solidifies himself as one of the starters, alongside Siraj and Bumrah.

 

[Mesozoic]

You have no one but yourself to blame for your poor comprehension. Shami is a better bowler than Sharma and he is far better than Ishant was when he was on 50 tests.

Sharma may have better stats in England but that is because he's played 100 tests and India invested a lot in his mediocre bowler. I hope they give Shami a few chances in England and he solidifies himself as one of the starters, alongside Siraj and Bumrah.

Dude make up your mind first or else you're only embarrassing yourselves further...

Stats and performances suggest that Ishant has been a much better bowler than Shami in England, better in Australia, New Zealand and in the West Indies. It doesn't matter how many tests he's played or how much backing he got.... At the end of the day, bottom line is that Ishant is a better bowler than Shami away from home. Shami has been given enough opportunities in 2014 and 2018 but he has done nothing but proven himself to be inferior to Ishant. So, I'll say it again... please take your bigoted and honestly disgusting vitriol elsewhere.

 

[street cricketer]

Ishant Sharma is criminally underrated by Indian fans, let alone by fans of other sides who probably don't follow Indian cricket as closely.

In the last 3 years, these are the stats of the top bowlers in world cricket:

Pat Cummins:

118 wickets at 19.89, SR - 44.7

James Anderson:

91 wickets at 21.07, SR - 51.1

Jasprit Bumrah:

69 wickets at 21.47, SR - 49.3

Mohammed Shami:

70 wickets at 25.51, SR - 48


AND

Ishant Sharma:

69 wickets at 19.84, SR - 42

Ishant Sharma after his county stint with Gillespie has become a different beast and his strength is the length he bowls. I saw a stat that he has bowled the most balls in the 6m length compared to all bowlers that either traps the batsman lbw or bowls him, while enticing the batsman to drive.

Yet how many Indian fans think of Ishant as the spearhead of the Indian attack. I saw some posts in some Indian forums leaving Ishant out of the XI for the tests in England. I was like what are these guys smoking...

 

[Manunited18]

Put it this way as a England fan I would be happy not to see shami in the Indian line up, genuine pace, skiddy, excellent skill set.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Ishant Sharma is criminally underrated by Indian fans, let alone by fans of other sides who probably don't follow Indian cricket as closely.

In the last 3 years, these are the stats of the top bowlers in world cricket:

Pat Cummins:

118 wickets at 19.89, SR - 44.7

James Anderson:

91 wickets at 21.07, SR - 51.1

Jasprit Bumrah:

69 wickets at 21.47, SR - 49.3

Mohammed Shami:

70 wickets at 25.51, SR - 48


AND

Ishant Sharma:

69 wickets at 19.84, SR - 42

Ishant Sharma after his county stint with Gillespie has become a different beast and his strength is the length he bowls. I saw a stat that he has bowled the most balls in the 6m length compared to all bowlers that either traps the batsman lbw or bowls him, while enticing the batsman to drive.

Yet how many Indian fans think of Ishant as the spearhead of the Indian attack. I saw some posts in some Indian forums leaving Ishant out of the XI for the tests in England. I was like what are these guys smoking...

Classic "ghar ki murghi dal brabar". At one hand people calling Jimmy an atg because of his improvement from start of his career and on the other downplaying Ishant's

Ishant getting disrespected by fools.

Any bowler ever would be happy to have these stats.

 

[street cricketer]

Ishant and Shami are fundamentally two different types of bowlers. Reducing the discussion to the religion of the bowlers lowers the quality of the cricketing discussion massively and makes it a mockery, something you expect in the facebook comments section and not in a good cricketing forum.

Ishant is a genuine swing bowler who also seams the ball. His seam position is perfect for the inswinger and he probably has the best inswinger in the game along with Boult. His wrist position though doesn't allow him to get outswing, he can at best make the ball hold its line. His another strength is his great accuracy, particularly in his lengths where he bowls the 6m length enticing the batsman forward. His tall height means he can generate good bounce off the good length area, which is an important attribute for a fast bowler. All these qualities contribute to his recent success outside asia. His drawback is that he often bowls in the 130-135k mark, with the occasional 135k+ and so can become ineffective on flat tracks even if he doesn't leak runs.

Shami is an out and out seam bowler, his seam position is the best I have seen from any bowler in cricket. He bowls with an upright seam and you rarely see the seam wobble even a bit. He doesn't try to swing the ball and generally bowls slightly short of length. He often bowls in the 135-140k mark and occasionally going above 140k+. His quicker pace means he will be good for flatter tracks and the skiddy nature of his bowling means he will be extremely dangerous on low bounce wickets you see in the subcontinent but because of his shorter height and skiddy nature of his bowling, he doesn't generate as much bounce from a good length, and so he has to shorten his length to generate the desired bounce which makes him beat the bat of the batsman many times, but too short to actually get the edge. It's part of the reason why he has struggled in conditions with lateral movement (particularly in English conditions) as you need to bowl fuller to get the edge when there is movement in the air or off the surface.

Overall, I would prefer Shami in Asia and Ishant outside asia. The flatter the conditions, better suited is Shami and the more life there is in the wicket and conditions (in terms of seam and swing movement off the wicket and in the air), better suited is Ishant. Although both bowlers can do a good job vice versa too.

 

[street cricketer]

Classic "ghar ki murghi dal brabar". At one hand people calling Jimmy an atg because of his improvement from start of his career and on the other downplaying Ishant's

Ishant getting disrespected by fools.

Any bowler ever would be happy to have these stats.

One thing I didn't point out is that Ishant has to bowl a lot in largely unhelpful conditions for fast bowling in the subcontinent when compared to Anderson or Cummins in England and Australia.

So that makes it even more impressive that he has a better average and strike rate than both of them.

 

[K4Kohli]

We need shardul Thakur as one of the bowling allrounder at 7 or 8 or 9. I would go with this

Gill/Rahul
Rohit
Pujara
Virat
Rahane/Rahul
Pant
Hardik/Shardul
Ashwin/Jadeja
3 of (Bumrah,Siraj,Shami,Ishanth)

 

[Oxfordchamp]

India will start as favorites given their bowling strength as per Sky cricket analysts.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Another chance to humiliate England.

 

[MenInG]

Another chance to humiliate England.

Or get humiliated!

 

[shamaan]

This series is evenly balanced 2-2

 

[Ozeirk]

Interesting thread