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India’s SA tour: ‘Still 12 internationals’

Cape Town – A delicate game of diplomacy continues over the important matter of exactly when India’s headline, all-formats cricket tour of South Africa will begin this summer.

The Boxing Day Test – at least if it were to be one between those protagonists specifically – is already out of the question due to India’s tight home scheduling against other foes in the immediate lead-up to their SA safari.

As for the traditional, money-spinning New Year Test at Newlands, which will now be the first of the series, it remains a bit of a toss-up as to when, precisely it will begin over the prime holiday period.

The smart bet at this point, based on information available to Sport24, is that the clash will still begin some time within the customary January 2-6 ( or occasionally 3-7) window for it, just not necessarily at its more traditional outset.

While it will undoubtedly irk Capetonians, in particular, that the glamour fixture remains shrouded in some uncertainty from a start-out point of view, perhaps the best, most philosophical approach for cricket purists to take over the tour as an overall entity is that India will still be spending almost eight weeks in the country and tackling the Proteas generously in all three formats.

Haroon Lorgat, CEO of Cricket South Africa, confirmed to this writer in an interview: “It is still a full tour - there will be no slashing.

“The actual content is not in doubt; it is just the (start) date and timing that is the (lingering issue). It is four, five and three.”

By that, Lorgat means four Test matches between the teams presently ranked first (India) and second on the global ladder, plus five one-day internationals and three Twenty20 games involving some of the most appealing individual names in limited-overs cricket.

That is a lucrative total of 12 encounters, which amounts to more than on any prior Indian visit to South Africa.

The closest previous tally was 11 on the 1992/93 tour, the only prior occasion in six Indian visits when four longest-format matches have been played (there were also seven ODIs then).

It is also a major step up, in volume-of-matches terms, from the last, controversy-plagued tour here in 2013/14, when India’s BCCI controlling body, which had frosty relations at the time with CSA, curtailed the roster to merely two Tests and three ODIs.

Lorgat says the current impasse, restricted only to when the Indians will actually open combat with the Proteas, is no signal of any residual tension between the administrations.

“No, it’s not that … look, this is not the first or second time only that there have been issues with setting out or confirming fixtures with BCCI.

“Some of it one can understand - even if we don’t necessarily agree with it because we shouldn’t be running business in that fashion - but look at the various challenges they’ve got: it’s not something that is top priority for them.

“What has complicated their lives is Sri Lanka being brought into their roster which finishes very late in December. They only confirmed that a week or two ago, and now they are turning their attention to our fixtures.

“They have indicated (as is already known – Sport24) they can’t do a Boxing Day Test because their last game against Sri Lanka finishes somewhere between December 20 and 23. Then they want a couple of days at home for their players - because they are coming for an eight-week tour.

“It’s very difficult to have your players end a series today and be on a plane tomorrow, as it were.”

But are CSA still fighting our corner spiritedly for preservation of the New Year Test in as orthodox a starting frame as possible?

“Absolutely, we really are going to great lengths to show how important and traditional that Test match is,” says Lorgat.

“It will be a big disappointment for us if it doesn’t begin on the 2nd or 3rd. In the climate currently, where we are trying to promote and even save Test cricket, it (endangering the traditional start) is not the best thing to do.

“This is not a fixture you should be tampering with, because it is one that works. People look forward to that event. It is a sought-after date.

“It is not just the fans in stadium: that match gets watched all over the world … we know that from the distribution of our (broadcasting) rights.

“But the BCCI needs to also deliver their own fixtures, and I guess they’ll take the view that they do what is best for them first.

“It is difficult to know when (the itinerary will be publicly announced). If we were happy to start around the 6th or 7th it would probably be signed off already. But we are trying to demonstrate how important it is for us to start as close to the 2nd as possible.

“It’s not just about local people … foreign visitors are in there (Cape Town) during that first week of January; they stay for the first couple of days the Test match is on. Most people return to work around the 7th, 8th or 9th.”

http://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/indias-sa-tour-still-12-internationals-20170829
 
Cricket South Africa president Chris Nenzani has said they are frustrated that dates for India’s summer tour have yet to be confirmed.

India were scheduled to tour South Africa at the end of the year with the first test starting on December 26 but with the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) having scheduled a return series against Sri Lanka that could run into mid-December they will not arrive in time for the Boxing Day test.

The BCCI have yet to confirm dates for the inbound Sri Lanka tour and the South Africa tour.

“Obviously it is frustrating and it is a matter we need to engage‚” Nenzani said.

“It is an issue that we need to put finality to because the issue of scheduling and putting schedules together comes naturally. We’ve agreed on content and the issue is now how do we fit in that content.

“It’s a very frustrating experience but we’re always hopeful that we can find something workable.

“If you don’t have a centrally controlled Future Tours Programme‚ these issues are going to come up. But if the International Cricket Council promotes test cricket‚ you have to give everybody a fair chance and also their place in the sun.”

CSA declared a net loss of R158.8-million for the 2016/17 financial year in what is their third year of their four-year cycle at Saturday’s Annual General Meeting in Kempton Park.

With India and Australia being the incoming tourists in the forthcoming 2017-18 summer‚ CSA is expected to recoup these losses as there will not be a reduction of matches in the India series‚ as was the case in the 2013-14 truncated tour when only two tests and three one day internationals took place.

CSA chief executive Haroon Lorgat said there will not be a Boxing Day test against India but the traditional New Year’s test will take place.

Lorgat said it was a case of finding a date that would be as close as possible to the traditional starting date of January 2 or 3.

“There will be a New Year’s test but it’s the starting date that is the issue. That’s what the board is currently discussing at the moment‚” Lorgat said.

“We want to go back to India and try to appeal to them to respect the start date that we would like. Let us engage with them and let’s see how they respond but this is something that we believe is important is to retain the test match starting date‚ especially in the view of the current climate where we want to promote test cricket.”

“We should have had finality a while back because we want to have the dates announced and want to get the promotion out of the way. It is the Freedom Trophy that we’re talking about and how many people actually know about the Mandela-Ghandi series.

“There’s lots that should have been done by now but this is the reality of the pressures of the calendar. The content is not an issue‚ it’s just about getting the dates locked in to schedule the content.”

https://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/c...ted-that-india-have-not-confirmed-test-dates/
 
Cricket South Africa president Chris Nenzani has said they are frustrated that dates for India’s summer tour have yet to be confirmed.

India were scheduled to tour South Africa at the end of the year with the first test starting on December 26 but with the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) having scheduled a return series against Sri Lanka that could run into mid-December they will not arrive in time for the Boxing Day test.

The BCCI have yet to confirm dates for the inbound Sri Lanka tour and the South Africa tour.

“Obviously it is frustrating and it is a matter we need to engage‚” Nenzani said.

“It is an issue that we need to put finality to because the issue of scheduling and putting schedules together comes naturally. We’ve agreed on content and the issue is now how do we fit in that content.

“It’s a very frustrating experience but we’re always hopeful that we can find something workable.

“If you don’t have a centrally controlled Future Tours Programme‚ these issues are going to come up. But if the International Cricket Council promotes test cricket‚ you have to give everybody a fair chance and also their place in the sun.”

CSA declared a net loss of R158.8-million for the 2016/17 financial year in what is their third year of their four-year cycle at Saturday’s Annual General Meeting in Kempton Park.

With India and Australia being the incoming tourists in the forthcoming 2017-18 summer‚ CSA is expected to recoup these losses as there will not be a reduction of matches in the India series‚ as was the case in the 2013-14 truncated tour when only two tests and three one day internationals took place.

CSA chief executive Haroon Lorgat said there will not be a Boxing Day test against India but the traditional New Year’s test will take place.

Lorgat said it was a case of finding a date that would be as close as possible to the traditional starting date of January 2 or 3.

“There will be a New Year’s test but it’s the starting date that is the issue. That’s what the board is currently discussing at the moment‚” Lorgat said.

“We want to go back to India and try to appeal to them to respect the start date that we would like. Let us engage with them and let’s see how they respond but this is something that we believe is important is to retain the test match starting date‚ especially in the view of the current climate where we want to promote test cricket.”

“We should have had finality a while back because we want to have the dates announced and want to get the promotion out of the way. It is the Freedom Trophy that we’re talking about and how many people actually know about the Mandela-Ghandi series.

“There’s lots that should have been done by now but this is the reality of the pressures of the calendar. The content is not an issue‚ it’s just about getting the dates locked in to schedule the content.”

https://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/c...ted-that-india-have-not-confirmed-test-dates/

This shows how incompetent PCB is. SA are getting frustrated that a schedule for a series a few months away still hasn't been released whereas PCB are in no rush to announce the schedule for a series that starts this month. So unprofessional
 
Lesson for Lorgat and Proteas Board. If you act with hostility towards the board whose team's tour is the only way you can take your budgets from losses to profit, you will only live to regret it.
 
Their pitches were bowler friendly. Kohli and co will avoid those to keep padding their stats.
 
Their pitches were bowler friendly. Kohli and co will avoid those to keep padding their stats.
Yeah. Now i know why Dale steyn and philander has good stats.

Its because of padding of wickets in bowler friendly conditions. Thanks for clearing for us
 
No way the first test is going to start on 2/3. bcci has already indicated it's players would require at least 10 days to get acclimatised to SA and rightly so. India shouldn't be going in blindly straight to such and important series.
There should atleast be two warmup matches.
So assuming India will reach SA by 26th December, I assume the start date to be around 6th or 7th.
 
Yeah. Now i know why Dale steyn and philander has good stats.

Its because of padding of wickets in bowler friendly conditions. Thanks for clearing for us

Dale's been doing it everywhere, even in India.
 
Cramped SA series awaits Team India

With the Indian and South African cricket boards agreeing to allot just 45 days for the bilateral series, a cramped schedule involving four Tests, five One Day Internationals and three Twenty20 International matches is awaiting Team India from first week of 2018.

According to a top BCCI official, the two boards (Board of Control for Cricket in India and Cricket South Africa) are expected to finalise the dates in next two days and the delay in this regard has only been because of cramped schedule.

As per the Future Tours and Programmes, India were supposed to be in South Africa by the third week of December and play four Tests including the Boxing Day and New Year apart from five ODIs and three T20s. But with BCCI being adamant to spoil SA's party, India's home season was stretched till December 24, thus forcing CSA to look for either hosting Pakistan or Zimbabwe for an one-off Test to continue their long tradition.

Despite the snub, the CSA kept hoping that at least the New Year Test featuring India can begin as per schedule.

However, BCCI has indicated to the hosts that their team will arrive only after spending a couple of days at home.

As per the information available with DNA, Virat Kohli & Co will arrive in SA by December 28. However, BCCI now demands that a practice match is needed before the actual series starts and that in all possibility will rule out playing New Year Test in Cape Town.

Instead, the first Test is likely to begin only by January 6 and the tour is likely to finish by the end of February third week as India also have quadrangular T20 series to be played in Sri Lanka as part of their Independence Day celebrations.

The request from the Indian team management also stems that at least three to four days rest is needed between the Tests. However, the ODIs and T20s might be cramped to honour the commitments between the two boards.

http://www.dnaindia.com/sports/report-cramped-sa-series-awaits-team-india-2546925
 
Cape Town - Cricket South Africa (CSA) chief executive Haroon Lorgat confirmed that the Proteas will play on Boxing Day - but stopped short of saying who the opponents will be or what format will be played.

The Proteas were initially slated to play India in the traditional Boxing Day Test but that tour has been pushed back with the first Test now set to start on January 5 or 6.

Zimbabwe are rumoured to be lined up as potential opponents for a Boxing Day Test, but could also play ODIs or T20Is over the festive period.

"We will have content for Boxing Day, but we're not yet in a position to announce that. We need to secure it first," Lorgat told reporters.

"First prize is a Test match. We would love Boxing Day and New Year to remain as Test content.

"I know in the past there have been one-day matches and there has been discussion internally to consider one-dayers, but personally I would love to see a Test match played."

Lorgat also said that CSA is close to finalising the fixtures for the India tour.

CSA is still hoping to stick to the four-match Test series that was on the original schedule, but all will be revealed in due course.

"We are pretty close to closing off with India. I'm hoping we can make some announcements towards the latter half of this week," said Lorgat.

"It's less than ideal - we would have loved that schedule to have been announced a long time back but it is what it is."

http://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/Proteas/lorgat-proteas-will-play-on-boxing-day-20170919
 
Finally will get to see how India really are once they away from Home/Asian comforts in test cricket, India should be looking to be competitive at least in test matches.
 
Finally will get to see how India really are once they away from Home/Asian comforts in test cricket, India should be looking to be competitive at least in test matches.
They were competitive in every series since 2007 in south Africa
 
Yes, yes. Another home series against Sri Lanka is exactly what the world needs. Don't you guys get tired of that stuff?
 
Yes, yes. Another home series against Sri Lanka is exactly what the world needs. Don't you guys get tired of that stuff?

Last home series against Lanka were back in 2009/10. During the same period they will visit Pakistan(UAE) for the 3rd time.

But but but India is inviting SL to boost rankings(even whitewashing them earns India hardly any points)

Lahori Logic :misbah
 
Yes, yes. Another home series against Sri Lanka is exactly what the world needs. Don't you guys get tired of that stuff?

BCCI is the worst thing to happen to Indian cricket from a fan's perspective. Money scrounging politicians trying to hold the game to ransom to satisfy their petty agendas and fill their coffers a bit more. We could have easily been having the start of the challenging Ind-SA away series from November itself, but no.. let's shove in some pointless bilateral cricket in between and another full fledged series against SL at this very juncture, because obviously fans haven't already had enough of home cricket in the past 2 years. Sigh.
 
BCCI is the worst thing to happen to Indian cricket from a fan's perspective. Money scrounging politicians trying to hold the game to ransom to satisfy their petty agendas and fill their coffers a bit more. We could have easily been having the start of the challenging Ind-SA away series from November itself, but no.. let's shove in some pointless bilateral cricket in between and another full fledged series against SL at this very juncture, because obviously fans haven't already had enough of home cricket in the past 2 years. Sigh.

Talk about yourself. Majority of fans are happy with BCCI.
 
You're happy with a home series with today's SL team being given preference to the originally scheduled SA away series? Great taste in cricket you got there..

Dude stop twisting words. First of all, India was asked by Sri Lankan board to reschedule their home series from Mid Feb to November/December, as SL are hosting tri series in March next year.

Secondly, just because of one series im not gonna blame BCCI. They have been doing tremendous job in promoting game and also helping young cricketers. BCCI is also only board to look after former cricketers.

They may not be perfect but they are certainly better than what you making them out to be.

Lastly, stop talking on behalf of us Indian fans.
 
SA favorite but this will be a very good chance for India against slightly weakened SA side
 
Dude stop twisting words. First of all, India was asked by Sri Lankan board to reschedule their home series from Mid Feb to November/December, as SL are hosting tri series in March next year.

Secondly, just because of one series im not gonna blame BCCI. They have been doing tremendous job in promoting game and also helping young cricketers. BCCI is also only board to look after former cricketers.

They may not be perfect but they are certainly better than what you making them out to be.

Lastly, stop talking on behalf of us Indian fans.

It's nothing but greed from the BCCI. They want the home series money so bad and so quick that they'll compromise the team's performance in a difficult away tour by not only taking away any scope of arranging a reasonable amount of practice matches to get acclimatise to the conditions in SA but also risk burning out the team in a full fledged series barely a week before they fly to SA. This is another away tour disaster in the making right here all thanks to the managerial acumen of the BCCI.
 
SA favorite but this will be a very good chance for India against slightly weakened SA side

Yes it is best chance for india to win. Last time around with a new team nothing much was expected but tbey competed prettg well.
This time around the teams are pretty balanced in terms of experience and overall squad. India qlso possess quality fast bowlers to take advantage of green mambas should they be presented to us as a reward for the rank turners we presented them with. Indian batsmen are capable enough to score decent totals on such pitches to give bowlers something substantial to protect.
Also indian batsmen now are experienced enough to not throw away match like they did in 2nd test against sa in their previous tour. It should be a highly interesting series with both teams having good chance to win. A posaible return of devillers and fit and in form steyn may tilt the balance towards sa a bit though.
 
CSA and BCCI announce India tour itinerary

CRICKET SOUTH AFRICA (CSA) and the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) today announced the itinerary for India’s tour of South Africa. It will consist of three Sunfoil Test matches, six Momentum One-Day Internationals and three KFC T20 International matches.

India arrives in South Africa on 28 December and their tour will start with a two-day practice match at Boland Park on December 30 and 31. The first Test match is at PPC Newlands starting on January 5.

The specific dates and venues for all the remaining fixtures will be confirmed shortly.

CSA also announced plans to host the first ever 4-day Day/Night Test match to be played at St. George’s Park against Zimbabwe starting on Boxing Day.

“We have now finalised the fixtures for a very busy home summer of international cricket,” commented CSA Chief Executive Haroon Lorgat. “The Mahatma Gandhi-Nelson Mandela Test series starts at Newlands on Friday, January 5 and will be a series to be watched as the number 1 and 2 best ranked teams in the world challenge for the Freedom Trophy.

“The time constraints faced by India have forced us to reduce the Test matches to three while increasing white ball cricket to six ODIs and three T20I matches.

“To ensure we do not disappoint our loyal fans over the traditional Boxing Day period and to take advantage of our brand-new lights at St George’s Park, we will host Zimbabwe in the first ever 4-day D/N Test match to be played. The Test status of the match is subject to ICC approval.

"This will give us a total of 10 home Test matches this summer against Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, India and Australia, making this our busiest home Test season ever.

“The extensive revamping of our international grounds are on schedule and the D/N Test match promises to be a world-class experience for the players and fans.

“The Proteas are currently ranked No. 1 and India No. 3 in ODI cricket, so fans will have the chance to see great cricket in the limited overs format too,” concluded Mr. Lorgat.
 
Will be a fun series. 4 tests would have been nicer.

6odis will also be fun. Will get to see more of Abdv-Kohli battle.
 
Would have been good for Indian test team if LOI series taken place first.
 
Re-scheduling part of PAK with SL, Two tests in SA for Pakistan, later start for Gandhi/Nelson series [great name] and this dream seems sillier by the word.

It's not like SL don't have the space in their calendar to modify the schedule. And SA need the money anyway.

Anyway, now impossible.
 
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Yes it is best chance for india to win. Last time around with a new team nothing much was expected but tbey competed prettg well.
This time around the teams are pretty balanced in terms of experience and overall squad. India qlso possess quality fast bowlers to take advantage of green mambas should they be presented to us as a reward for the rank turners we presented them with. Indian batsmen are capable enough to score decent totals on such pitches to give bowlers something substantial to protect.
Also indian batsmen now are experienced enough to not throw away match like they did in 2nd test against sa in their previous tour. It should be a highly interesting series with both teams having good chance to win. A posaible return of devillers and fit and in form steyn may tilt the balance towards sa a bit though.

I have left any hope I had for Steyn. But the attack of Morkel/ Philander/ Rabada/ Maharaj is as good as you would see now a days. And ABDV has a very good track record against India.

The only worry is schedule is too packed. And so bowlers from both teams might not get enough recovery time.
 
I have left any hope I had for Steyn. But the attack of Morkel/ Philander/ Rabada/ Maharaj is as good as you would see now a days. And ABDV has a very good track record against India.

The only worry is schedule is too packed. And so bowlers from both teams might not get enough recovery time.

The bowling attack was similar last time too. Rabada may become a future great but he is not there yet and it would be difficult for him to produce spell like steyn did in 2nd match of the series. I do not see maharaj playing too much of role. On helpful wickets both teams bowlers will do good but when the wickets flatten out whivh generally happens on green pitches the winner will be decided. Rest issue will be there especially for indians after coming from a home series against sl.
 
It's nothing but greed from the BCCI. They want the home series money so bad and so quick that they'll compromise the team's performance in a difficult away tour by not only taking away any scope of arranging a reasonable amount of practice matches to get acclimatise to the conditions in SA but also risk burning out the team in a full fledged series barely a week before they fly to SA. This is another away tour disaster in the making right here all thanks to the managerial acumen of the BCCI.

we appreciate your concern for our team but we got this. :salute

So, BCCI hosting SL after 8 years is greed and CSA hosting India after 4 years isn't?

Well i always knew logic and common sense isn't your forte but my bad i expected some common sense from you.:facepalm:
 
we appreciate your concern for our team but we got this. :salute

So, BCCI hosting SL after 8 years is greed and CSA hosting India after 4 years isn't?

Well i always knew logic and common sense isn't your forte but my bad i expected some common sense from you.:facepalm:

BCCI hosting SL at exactly this time period when an important away tour is due doesn't sound suspicious to you? Especially when they could have easily pushed the SL series to a more opportune time in 2018-19? Now India is going with 2 days of match practice and unnecessary fatigue from a full fledged series which could have easily been avoided.
 
BCCI hosting SL at exactly this time period when an important away tour is due doesn't sound suspicious to you? Especially when they could have easily pushed the SL series to a more opportune time in 2018-19? Now India is going with 2 days of match practice and unnecessary fatigue from a full fledged series which could have easily been avoided.

2018-19 Aus tour followed by NZ tour. Then Asian' Pointless' Tournament followed by IPL.

So, there wasn't an open window available to post pone SL tour. I do agree Indian team need atleast 1 four day game to get climatised to conditions but it is what is. Id swap SL tour with Asia cup but our neighbours would lose their sleep over it and call conspiracy :misbah

Yknow each home games for India generate revenue that is needed for domestic circuit. We already getting cut in ICC revenue so we need to generate other mode of income.
 
2018-19 Aus tour followed by NZ tour. Then Asian' Pointless' Tournament followed by IPL.

So, there wasn't an open window available to post pone SL tour. I do agree Indian team need atleast 1 four day game to get climatised to conditions but it is what is. Id swap SL tour with Asia cup but our neighbours would lose their sleep over it and call conspiracy :misbah

Yknow each home games for India generate revenue that is needed for domestic circuit. We already getting cut in ICC revenue so we need to generate other mode of income.

As I said, it's all about the money. They've almost destroyed Indian teams chances in the SA tour even before the tour has begun.
 
As I said, it's all about the money. They've almost destroyed Indian teams chances in the SA tour even before the tour has begun.

Again why so much concern for my team?

We Indian fans are totally relaxed and fancy ourself this time around. Like i said thanks for your concern but we are fine.
 
Again why so much concern for my team?

We Indian fans are totally relaxed and fancy ourself this time around. Like i said thanks for your concern but we are fine.

Because I want to be an Indian fan again as well, but BCCI is making it pretty difficult for me to be so by their politics. It's not even team India anymore tbh, more like team BCCI and it's cronies.
 
Because I want to be an Indian fan again as well, but BCCI is making it pretty difficult for me to be so by their politics. It's not even team India anymore tbh, more like team BCCI and it's cronies.
Haha indian fan again? For a non indian fan u r concern for anything related to indian cricket is mind boggling.

Atlast u accepted u r not an indian fan.

Bingo
 
Because I want to be an Indian fan again as well, but BCCI is making it pretty difficult for me to be so by their politics. It's not even team India anymore tbh, more like team BCCI and it's cronies.

We have 1 billion plus fans. Im sure BCCI/Team India can live without you not supporting them. :misbah

BCCI is only sport organisation in India that actually makes respectable income from it. Just look at Hockey, that game is well and truly dead in India except maybe Punjab and few other region.

So, again thank you for your concern but we are doing pretty well without your support.

#BleedBlue. :salute
 
Because I want to be an Indian fan again as well, but BCCI is making it pretty difficult for me to be so by their politics. It's not even team India anymore tbh, more like team BCCI and it's cronies.

BCCI has to take care of Indian cricket as a whole and not your individual wants.
 
Haha indian fan again? For a non indian fan u r concern for anything related to indian cricket is mind boggling.

Atlast u accepted u r not an indian fan.

Bingo

Of course I'm not. I lost faith in Indian cricket the moment Kohli played his politics to get Kumble kicked for his boy toy Shastri. I've come to realise that politics has superseded cricketing matters as far as Team India is concerned. But that doesn't mean that I once wasn't a fan of the Indian cricket team, of course I was. Definitely not of today's Team BCCI , that's for sure.
 
Of course I'm not. I lost faith in Indian cricket the moment Kohli played his politics to get Kumble kicked for his boy toy Shastri. I've come to realise that politics has superseded cricketing matters as far as Team India is concerned. But that doesn't mean that I once wasn't a fan of the Indian cricket team, of course I was. Definitely not of today's Team BCCI , that's for sure.

If you think politics influences Indian cricket, then you have no idea what it was like with Raj Singh Durgarpur back in the 1980s and 1990s.
 
As for cricketing discussions, it's because I, above anything else am a cricket fan, why would it change now? Of course I'll engage myself more with Indian discussions since I've seen all the politicking happening up and close like the Kumble fiasco, the judgement of revered names like Ganguly and Laxman being undermined in selection procedures only for Shastri to get his cronies into the coaching staff, blatant favouritism like Rohit being preferred over Pujara in Tests for quite a a while.. amongst other factors. I'll admit, my faith in Indian cricket is at an all time low and his recent SA series stuff is just one more nail in the coffin.
 
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As for cricketing discussions, it's because I, above anything else am a cricket fan, why would it change now? Of course I'll engage myself more with Indian discussions since I've seen all the politicking happening up and close like the Kumble fiasco, the judgement of revered names like Ganguly and Laxman being undermined in selection procedures only for Shastri to get his cronies into the coaching staff, blatant favouritism like Rohit being preferred over Pujara in Tests for quite a a while.. amongst other factors. I'll admit, my faith in Indian cricket is at an all time low and his recent SA series stuff is just one more nail in the coffin.

Coming to cricket: You're free man and in free country. You can support any team/player you may like. I do agree there is politics behind the door but that is not something out of the ordinary. In our part of world it is to be expected.
The only thing id say is, when you only highlight negatives and ignore the good things, it will only make you very bitter and no amount of positive growth will satisfy you.

Try to see it more netural and maybe you might find things different.

Also, I feel Kohli and players should be given the coach they feel right. Its them who will be working with coach. I just dont want us to ever have Greg Chappell like saga in India cricket ever. That time was the worst phase of Indian cricket.
 
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If you think politics influences Indian cricket, then you have no idea what it was like with Raj Singh Durgarpur back in the 1980s and 1990s.

Napa sir you are breaking your head here.You should be wise enough to know what he is running after. Bash Indian team.Thats all he is doing.No matter how weak his arguments are.
 
Last home series against Lanka were back in 2009/10. During the same period they will visit Pakistan(UAE) for the 3rd time.

But but but India is inviting SL to boost rankings(even whitewashing them earns India hardly any points)

Lahori Logic :misbah

Perhaps you're right about this one. How many series against Sri Lanka has India played since that home series back in 2010? Pakistan has been playing Sri Lanka too much as well but unlike you, I am not happy seeing our players bully them and pad up their stats. Give me a series away to England or South Africa in exchange, any day of the week.

BCCI is the worst thing to happen to Indian cricket from a fan's perspective. Money scrounging politicians trying to hold the game to ransom to satisfy their petty agendas and fill their coffers a bit more. We could have easily been having the start of the challenging Ind-SA away series from November itself, but no.. let's shove in some pointless bilateral cricket in between and another full fledged series against SL at this very juncture, because obviously fans haven't already had enough of home cricket in the past 2 years. Sigh.

Indian fans like you are rare but a treat to converse with. The majority of your countrymen tie their own honor with how much money the BCCI makes however, which means that the corrupt organization can continue to make their millions and laugh as poverty-stricken but IPL-obsessed Indians cheer them on, when they should be questioning them instead.

I am very annoyed at the PCB giving up the Boxing Day test match in South Africa for a silly LO series in New Zealand.
 
Coming to cricket: You're free man and in free country. You can support any team/player you may like. I do agree there is politics behind the door but that is not something out of the ordinary. In our part of world it is to be expected.
The only thing id say is, when you only highlight negatives and ignore the good things, it will only make you very bitter and no amount of positive growth will satisfy you.

Try to see it more netural and maybe you might find things different.

Also, I feel Kohli and players should be given the coach they feel right. Its them who will be working with coach. I just dont want us to ever have Greg Chappell like saga in India cricket ever. That time was the worst phase of Indian cricket.

Last I checked, he cannot support Pakistan in this "free country". Don't make such false statements if you don't want people to call you out on them.
 
Perhaps you're right about this one. How many series against Sri Lanka has India played since that home series back in 2010? Pakistan has been playing Sri Lanka too much as well but unlike you, I am not happy seeing our players bully them and pad up their stats. Give me a series away to England or South Africa in exchange, any day of the week.



Indian fans like you are rare but a treat to converse with. The majority of your countrymen tie their own honor with how much money the BCCI makes however, which means that the corrupt organization can continue to make their millions and laugh as poverty-stricken but IPL-obsessed Indians cheer them on, when they should be questioning them instead.

I am very annoyed at the PCB giving up the Boxing Day test match in South Africa for a silly LO series in New Zealand.

The poster already said he is not a Indian fan.
 
The poster already said he is not a Indian fan.

I've said that I'm an Indian citizen who doesn't happen to be a fan of the Indian Cricket Team at the moment due to the excessive politics at play in Indian cricket. You can keep supporting Team BCCI but don't expect other sane people to call out BCCI on it's politics. You do know that any moderator can easily check my IP and prove that I'm Indian right? Stay obsessed with my nationality lol.
 
Indian fans like you are rare but a treat to converse with. The majority of your countrymen tie their own honor with how much money the BCCI makes however, which means that the corrupt organization can continue to make their millions and laugh as poverty-stricken but IPL-obsessed Indians cheer them on, when they should be questioning them instead.

I am very annoyed at the PCB giving up the Boxing Day test match in South Africa for a silly LO series in New Zealand.

Absolutely, it puzzles me why a significant portion of Indian fans seem to consider BCCI as some sort of a pride symbol. At the end of the day it's a sports body whose duty is to work for the best interests of Indian cricket, and this rescheduling of SL series to exactly this window obviously isn't doing that. Not only has it severely hampered any scope of acclimatising to the overseas conditions in SA by ensuring proper practice, it has put unnecessary burden by making them play another full fledged series before it. But leave it to the BCCI worshippers to see everything right with this.

It's not just that, many fans act boastful of the most asinine stuff concerning Indian cricket like IPL's brand value, Kohli's annual income, the fact that mediocre cricketers are making millions in IPL etc etc, stuff which doesn't even have any cricketing connotations. Why should an Indian cricket fan act boastful of Virat Kohli's income lol? It's sort of embarrassing really, social media is full of these cretins and they really get on my nerves as well. Hope some maturity dawns on a few Indian fans one day.
 
3 tests is fine. Anything less though is just ridiculous. I expect India to compete in this series. Hopefully De Villiers will be back in this series as South Africa missed a batsman of his caliber in the England SA series
 
Absolutely, it puzzles me why a significant portion of Indian fans seem to consider BCCI as some sort of a pride symbol. At the end of the day it's a sports body whose duty is to work for the best interests of Indian cricket, and this rescheduling of SL series to exactly this window obviously isn't doing that. Not only has it severely hampered any scope of acclimatising to the overseas conditions in SA by ensuring proper practice, it has put unnecessary burden by making them play another full fledged series before it. But leave it to the BCCI worshippers to see everything right with this.

It's not just that, many fans act boastful of the most asinine stuff concerning Indian cricket like IPL's brand value, Kohli's annual income, the fact that mediocre cricketers are making millions in IPL etc etc, stuff which doesn't even have any cricketing connotations. Why should an Indian cricket fan act boastful of Virat Kohli's income lol? It's sort of embarrassing really, social media is full of these cretins and they really get on my nerves as well. Hope some maturity dawns on a few Indian fans one day.

When you are free to like whatever you want and dislike the other things so are others. And whatever you feel like you are no one to judge someone's maturity level based on rubbush facts and other things you consider true.
 
Last I checked, he cannot support Pakistan in this "free country". Don't make such false statements if you don't want people to call you out on them.

I have seen some section of Muslim fans in parts of Mumbai supporting Pakistan(most have roots in Pakistan). Its not something out of the ordinary not atleast in Mumbai. But you maybe right that in most parts of country it is considered blashphemy supporting Pakistan due to history between two countries.

As far as ur previous comment on me being happy seeing India plays Sri Lanka, well i dont really care who India plays in bilateral. My reaction to bilaterals series is pretty much same whether its Sri Lanka or Australia. Most of NRI fans only care about IPL and ICC events, rest of the time its 'Meh'

I will be visiting India for 2021 Champions trophy and 2023 Worldcup. Id never make a trip for meaningless bilaterals that will be forgotton in no time.

You should've know by now that most Indian fans aren't into boring test series or meaningless bilatetals Odis. Even ongoing Odis against Aussies isn't really garnering interest perhaps due to Australia have sent 2nd string attack.
 
Among all things written here, no one has even given a look at the original FTP (link below) drafted in 2014 and supposed to last till 2019 .. This FTP says that SRL was supposed to tour SAF first and play the boxing day and new year test and India was only supposed to tour SAF in the 2nd week of JAN after playing PAK at home ... India basically just replaced the PAK series with SRL whom the selfish and greedy SAF rejected. However, Mr. Lorgat and CSA never took approval of BCCI to prepone the tour and announced the schedule which was rejected by BCCI and very rightly so.

http://p.imgci.com/db/DOWNLOAD/0000/0045/ftp_2015_2019.pdf
 
This may be Indias best chance to win a series in SA.
The seamers Bhuvi,Shami,Bumrah and to an extent UmeshYadav look like a better bowling unit compared to past Indian teams.
If the batters can manage to post decent targets...then India have chance to win either ODI or test series.
 
Jasprit Bumrah earns call-up for SA Tests

New Delhi - India's national selectors on Monday handed a maiden Test spot to promising fast bowler Jasprit Bumrah in a 17-member squad for the upcoming tour of South Africa.

Bumrah, 23, was rewarded with a place in the Indian Test squad after taking 52 wickets from 28 one-day internationals (ODI).

The No 3 ODI bowler would boost India's pace quartet of Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Mohammed Shami, Ishant Sharma and Umesh Yadav on seamer friendly tracks in South Africa.

Dashing all-rounder Hardik Pandya returned to the squad after opting out of the ongoing three-Test series against Sri Lanka over workload worries.

Pandya, 24, has become a key member of the Virat Kohli-led side since making his limited-overs debut last year. He has played in 30 of India's last 33 matches.

Wicketkeeper Parthiv Patel also earned a recall, having last played against England in December last year.

India will play three Tests, six one-dayers and three T20 matches during the tour of South Africa which will kick off with a warm-up game in Paarl on December 30.

Selectors meanwhile rested star batsman Kohli for the three-match Twenty20 series against Sri Lanka starting on December 20, keeping in mind the gruelling tour of South Africa.

India's Test squad for South Africa:

Virat Kohli (captain), Murali Vijay, K. L. Rahul, Shikhar Dhawan, Cheteshwar Pujara, Ajinkya Rahane, Rohit Sharma, Wriddhiman Saha, Ravichandran Ashwin, Ravindra Jadeja, Parthiv Patel, Hardik Pandya, Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Mohammad Shami, Ishant Sharma, Umesh Yadav, Jasprit Bumrah

http://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/bumrah-earns-maiden-test-call-up-for-proteas-tour-20171204
 
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Dropping Kuldeep, the selectors apparently didn;t see the Kolkata test when the world number 1 & 2 spinners didn;t bowl 10 overs between them :facepalm:

Kohli doesn;t seem to have too much faith in him, this could be bad for his future development, real bad!
 
Like the squad and happy for Bumrah. He will be useful if SA rolls out a flat pitch where BK will be rendered ineffective.

Sad to see the exclusion of Kuldeep Yadav. I doubt Ashwin and Jaddu will be useful in SA. Benefit of the doubt goes to Ashwin and Jaddu as their recent performances in India and WI/SL have been stellar. In case these 2 fail in the 1st Test, Kuldeep could have been played. This is the only selection I did not like.

Rahane is walking on Thin Ice. But he might succeed as Spinners will be ineffective in SA. He can still play pacers well. But Maharaj might be licking his chops considering how bad Rahane is against spin.
 
Dropping Kuldeep, the selectors apparently didn;t see the Kolkata test when the world number 1 & 2 spinners didn;t bowl 10 overs between them :facepalm:

Kohli doesn;t seem to have too much faith in him, this could be bad for his future development, real bad!

Agreed. Kuldeep does not depend on the pitch much. His variations are enough to get wickets. Ash and jaddu might not play together if it is a green pitch. Only 1 would play. Ash might get the first nod. If he fails, then Jaddu will be given the chance.
 
Not that i anticipated any victory , but this team will surely come back with tails between their legs. I almost pray for an Demolition of Ashwin by SA. Enough of this nonsense. My wish is for the ousting of Ashwin and Rahane by the end of series.
 
Kuldeep dropped?

No wonder meritocracy is not a criteria for selection in Indian cricket. The guy won you the freaking series against Australia by his great bowling in the greenest track of the series at Dharamsala and this is how he gets rewarded. Funnily, he was replacing the master batsman Kohli who had batted worse than a tailender in that series. Politics wins once again.
 
Kuldeep probably wouldn't have played 1st test but he still should've been in the squad.
 
What sadistic pleasure people get from wanting other teams to lose, Indian team peforming good or otherwise, I want test cricket to flourish. As long as Kohli and the Indian team wants it, it will not die in India. Trying and losing is better than surrendering. And Ganguly started trying, dhoni just lost (overseas tests, due to many reasons). Hope Kohli wins it. I don't mind kohli getting ducks in all innings if the Indian team wins SA and Aus. Such is my wish. I want India to perform well.
 
Kuldeep should have been kept.Bumrah was not needed in tests.

I think Bumrah is like a backup. Just in case, if SA roll out flat tracks, the likes of BK and Ishant will be useless. With Bumrah is is a better bowler on flat tracks than Ishant and BK. Also Bumrah can clean up the tail which Ishant and BK will struggle.

If it is a green pitch, then India should play
1) BK
2) Shami
3) Ishant
4)Yadav
5) Ashwin/Jaddu

If it is a Flat track, then India should play
1) Shami
2) Bumrah
3) Ishant
4) Ashwin
5) Jaddu
 
Did you guys really expect India would go with 3 spinners for South Africa tour? Seriously? We should give Ashwin (or Jadeja) one full series before writing them off. Ashwin hasn't played much away apart from Australia, where he was decent last time around. Bowled well in England in the only test he played in 2014. Hope Kohli doesn't make the same mistake Dhoni did and play Ashwin for the first two tests in SA.
 
I am surprised Kuldeep Yadav has been dropped. He seems like a good bowler every time I see him play.
 
Ind have a great chance to beat a Saffer team on the wane. India have Kohli in form and full of confidence and the pace bowlers look as good as they ever have for Ind. The crucial thing will be if they come under pressure from Amla counter atracking and their ability to stick to their basics. I cant wait for the series.
 
Did you guys really expect India would go with 3 spinners for South Africa tour? Seriously? We should give Ashwin (or Jadeja) one full series before writing them off. Ashwin hasn't played much away apart from Australia, where he was decent last time around. Bowled well in England in the only test he played in 2014. Hope Kohli doesn't make the same mistake Dhoni did and play Ashwin for the first two tests in SA.

Should go horses for courses.

No point in emotions.

Our spinners may be a good choice in certain pitches and not in other pitches.

If it's a pukka green track that will remain green, its safer to go with jaddu than Ash. If its gonna flatten out, safer to go with 2 spinners & 3 pacers than 4 pacers....

horses for courses.
 
Dropping kuldeep is a mistake. Having a chinaman as an option would have been great.
He could have easily been selected over Parthiv who is pretty much a useless selection.
 
Our test batting is better than our odi lineup at least which is just top 3 .Lets see what they do vs steyn,rabada and philander.We will also see if ashwin indeed can be an ATG.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] do you think India will win this series?
 
So:

Tests: 2-1 India

ODIs: 4-2 SA

T20I: 2-1 SA

If this happens, we Indians will be over the moon celebrating by lifting Mamoon bhai on our shoulders.

:P

I would love to see India prevailing in all three formats to be honest.
 
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