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"India under Virat Kohli reminds me of Pakistan under Imran Khan" : Sanjay Manjrekar

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Former India cricketer Sanjay Manjrekar on Monday said Virat Kohli’s side reminded him of the Pakistan team under Imran Khan for their strong-self and ability to win matches from jaws of defeat.

“India under Virat in NZ reminds me of Pakistan under Imran. Strong self belief as a team. Pakistan under Imran found different ways of winning matches, often from losing positions. That only happens when the self belief is strong,” Manjrekar tweeted.

The cricketer turned commentator expressed his opinion after India completed a rare 5-0 whitewash with a seven-run victory over New Zealand in the final T20 International in Mount Maunganui on Sunday.

Manjrekar also lauded K.L. Rahul, now also shouldering wicket-keeping duty, for his impressive showing in recent times.

“Find of the T20 series in NZ for me is the batsman keeper K L Rahul. Absolutely brilliant!

“Samson & Pant... the next batting brigade of India obviously have the skill & the power game they just need to infuse a small dose of Virat’s batting ‘smarts’ (mind) into their game,” Manjrekar wrote.

The victory at the Bay Oval saw India stretch their record for most successive T20I wins.

This was their eighth win in a row, bettering the previous three instances when they won seven successive matches.

Kohli is the most successful Test captain in Indian cricket history, winning 11 consecutive series at home and are on top of the ICC rankings.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...ahul-india-vs-new-zealand/article30725246.ece
 
Kohli’s India is vastly superior in terms of personnel, and Kohli is also a better player and captain than Imran.

This is the greatest Asian team of all time.
 
I think IK's team was much more ruthless. They regularly thrashed their arch rivals and completely dominated them.

That team also had several ATGs.
 
Don't think Gaustam Gambhir will appreciate this comparison :))
 
I think IK's team was much more ruthless. They regularly thrashed their arch rivals and completely dominated them.

That team also had several ATGs.

Quite the opposite. IK’s team didn’t win enough but avoided defeats better.
 
Kohli’s India is vastly superior in terms of personnel, and Kohli is also a better player and captain than Imran.

This is the greatest Asian team of all time.

It was a different era then, so it’s impossible to compare. Did you even watch cricket back then? Are you old enough?

Imran was a great player and leader maybe one of the best ever. He took a team and turned the players into superstars, he wasn’t given them.

Also with the bat Imran averaged over 50 and less than 20 with the ball in his final 10 years as a player which shows his class.

Also Mamoon on a side note (not relating to this post), I read nearly every comment of yours is anti Pakistan. Are you Indian?
 
Imran won two global tournaments (Nehru Cup in 1989 and WC in 1992), apart from from being great in test cricket( drew 3 test series with the GOAT WI). Let Kohli win a global tournament first, then we can talk.
 
Quite the opposite. IK’s team didn’t win enough but avoided defeats better.

They could have won more global tournaments. Plus more Test series too.

Kohlis team doesn't even come close to those achievements.

Imran won two global tournaments (Nehru Cup in 1989 and WC in 1992), apart from from being great in test cricket( drew 3 test series with the GOAT WI). Let Kohli win a global tournament first, then we can talk.

That's true. Meaningless bilateral series don't mean that much though they still do.

This team hasn't achieved a lot yet. Probably won't as other teams also can win global tournaments.
 
It was a different era then, so it’s impossible to compare. Did you even watch cricket back then? Are you old enough?

Imran was a great player and leader maybe one of the best ever. He took a team and turned the players into superstars, he wasn’t given them.

Also with the bat Imran averaged over 50 and less than 20 with the ball in his final 10 years as a player which shows his class.

Also Mamoon on a side note (not relating to this post), I read nearly every comment of yours is anti Pakistan. Are you Indian?

Unfortunately, I am a Pakistani.

Also unfortunately, I am not old enough to remember the Imran era because I started watching cricket in the late 90’s.

That is why I do value the opinion of older people, because there are some things that you only learn with experience.

However, there is enough information available for people to make up their own minds and not just rely on the anecdotes of others, since they are often loaded with bias.

I also feel that people use this line of argument very selectively.

I firmly believe that Kohli is a greater player and captain than Imran. Firstly, Imran’s average of 50 with the bat in the last 10 years of his career is inflated and not an accurate measure of his batting capability.

Would you say that Imran in the last 10 years of his Test career was as good a batsman as Miandad, Inzamam, Yousuf and Younis who all averaged 50? Certainly not.

The rate at which Kohli wins Test matches is absolutely incredible. You can downplay him because of different eras, but remember - if Test matches are more result oriented today,

it not only means that Tests were harder to win in Imran’s era, but also harder to lose.

But what makes Kohli such a great Test captain is that not only does he wins matches at an incomparable rate to Imran, his rate of losing matches is almost identical to that of Imran.

Misbah also won more than Imran, but he also lost more, and it is clear that he was nowhere near the captain Imran was.

Furthermore, Imran benefited from playing in the pre-social media and Internet era. In those times, cricketers were not micro-analyzed.

Imran got away with losing a Test to Sri Lanka in 1986 (who only won 2 Tests in that decade), but if Kohli were to lose a Test to Bangladesh today, he would be grilled for the rest of his career.

People who claim that Imran was the better captain because he played in a different era, well my question is - what does Kohli have to do in today’s era to be considered a better captain?

He is winning matches at a ridiculous rate and is almost certain to overtake G. Smith as the most prolific Test captain in history by number of wins. In addition, his performance as a batsman during his captaincy has been extraordinary.

What makes Kohli so special is that he still has 5-6 years left in him. Even if he retires today, he will go down as one of the top 10 players in history. However, by the time he is 36-37 and ready to call it a day, he will surely be ranked among the top 3 batsmen and captains of all time.

In Limited Overs, Imran has a better legacy as captain because of the World Cup. Unless Kohli wins the 2023 World Cup which will most probably be his last as captain, he will remain an inferior ODI captain.

However, there is often a small margin between winning or losing a World Cup. Every champion needs some luck. Kohli’s India haven’t had that luck so far, but Imran’s Pakistan did in 1992.

Imran is one of the greatest players and captain in history. Certainly the best in Pakistan’s history.

However, Kohli has done enough in his career so far to be considered better both as a player and as a Test captain, and I firmly believe that his team would beat Imran’s team in both Tests and ODIs.

As far as turning players into superstars is concerned, we need to understand that no captain has a magic wand.

If a player doesn’t have the ability to be a superstar a captain cannot do anything.

Like all great captains including Kohli, Imran was lucky to have amazing talents like Wasim, Waqar, Inzamam etc. whom he polished. However, you cannot polish **** or players who do not have elite potential.

Imran couldn’t convert players like Ijaz Ahmed into Inzamam, Saleem Jaffer into Wasim and Aqib Javed into Waqar. It is not that he didn’t work hard with them or didn’t give him the same advice he gave to Wasim and Waqar. It is just that they didn’t have the talent to be as good.

Similarly, Kohli couldn’t have turned Dinda into Bumrah either.

Imran like other previous of his generation benefit greatly from the fact that their records and achievements are not scrutinized and belittled like modern players, and this is the social media and Internet effect. Modern players like Kohli don’t have that luxury.

For example, Imran’s innings in the 1992 semifinal against New Zealand was as bad as Misbah’s Mohali innings. However, Miandad and especially Inzamam played blinders to save the day.

For Misbah, had Afridi, Umar or Razzaq played similar knocks, he would not be criticized for it for the rest of his career.

Furthermore, during Imran’s innings in the semifinal, there would be a meltdown on PP and Twitter, people would be calling him tuk tuk and selfish and what not.

But since it happened in 1992 when there was no PP and Twitter, and Pakistan ended up winning the World Cup, no one considers that innings as a potentially match-losing one, but that is what it was before Inzamam and Miandad rescued Pakistan.

I am not anti-Pakistan. It’s just that I think we have been rubbish for far too long, I hate our cricket culture, I hate the way we play the game, I hate the way our ex-players, analysts and fans observe the game, I hate the way we celebrate inconsistency and romanticize it as unpredictability and cornered tigers mentality.

If I were a neutral, Pakistan would have been the last team that I would have supported. Unfortunately, I have deep love for the game and I was born in Pakistan and this is where I grew up, so I have no choice but to support the team even if I don’t want to.

The problem is that people don’t care to listen to my point of view and call it hatred. This is not hatred from my perspective. Unfortunately, some people only quote me so that they can get into needless arguments, and I try to resist the provocation but not always successfully.

If people present their opinions respectfully and in a civil manner like you, and don’t aim to provoke me, I am more than willing to give my perspective.

Whether people agree or not is not the point and it is not my intention to make everyone agree with me. I just give my perspective but people have a problem with it.
 
In terms of accomplishments as a captain, Kohli is the greatest Asian captain for Tests.

In ODIs however, Dhoni is still the GOAT followed by Imran.
 
Imran Khan is quite overrated in Pakistan. Imran team was never a ruthless team. They mostly huffed and puffed in global tournaments (1992) and got lucky. Infact 1992 should be considered as a fluke because Pakistan never deserved to win it. In contrast, Pakistan 2009 team was a quality team and thoroughly deserved the title.

Kohli team is light years ahead of Imran team on professionalism, ruthlessness and attitude. In tests, Kohli team is creating the legacy and should be completed once we play the test championship final in 2021 and staying no.1 for 5 consecutive years.
In ODI and T20, Kohli team has played just two big tournaments and reached final and semifinal in both. Not a bad record but the standard are very high for this Indian team. Also, there are three tournaments under Kohli still to go at a minimum. We will compare it once Kohli tenure gets completed.
 
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Kohli must be over the moon to be compared to the greatest cricketer Asia has ever produced
 
In terms of accomplishments as a captain, Kohli is the greatest Asian captain for Tests.

In ODIs however, Dhoni is still the GOAT followed by Imran.

Totally missed Kapil paaji, up there with Dhoni, perhaps even better.
 
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Imran Khan is quite overrated here and understandably being a pakistan forum. Imran team was never a ruthless team. They mostly huffed and puffed in global tournaments (1992) and got lucky. Infact 1992 should be considered as a fluke because Pakistan never deserved to win it. In contrast, Pakistan 2009 team was a quality team and thoroughly deserved the title.

Kohli team is light years ahead of Imran team on professionalism, ruthlessness and attitude. In tests, Kohli team is creating the legacy and should be completed once we play the test championship final in 2021 and staying no.1 for 5 consecutive years.
In ODI and T20, Kohli team has played just two big tournaments and reached final and semifinal in both. Not a bad record but the standard are very high for this Indian team. Also, there are three tournaments under Kohli still to go at a minimum. We will compare it once Kohli tenure gets completed.

Different eras , professionalism advances with time and everything else
 
In terms of accomplishments as a captain, Kohli is the greatest Asian captain for Tests.

In ODIs however, Dhoni is still the GOAT followed by Imran.

As a all round cricketer imran is comfortably the best fro. Asia
 
Imran Khan is quite overrated here and understandably being a pakistan forum. Imran team was never a ruthless team. They mostly huffed and puffed in global tournaments (1992) and got lucky. Infact 1992 should be considered as a fluke because Pakistan never deserved to win it. In contrast, Pakistan 2009 team was a quality team and thoroughly deserved the title.

Kohli team is light years ahead of Imran team on professionalism, ruthlessness and attitude. In tests, Kohli team is creating the legacy and should be completed once we play the test championship final in 2021 and staying no.1 for 5 consecutive years.
In ODI and T20, Kohli team has played just two big tournaments and reached final and semifinal in both. Not a bad record but the standard are very high for this Indian team. Also, there are three tournaments under Kohli still to go at a minimum. We will compare it once Kohli tenure gets completed.

hahaha, thats why Ian Chappell, Geoffery Boycott, Harsha Bhogle etc. consider Imran to be the greatest captain from Asia. He needs no other validation. His only competition is Clive Lloyd.
 
As a all round cricketer imran is comfortably the best fro. Asia

Kapil Dev has more runs, more wkts and also won ODI Worldcup. What make you believe Imran is greatest cricketer from Asia.

Like I say before, IK is quite overrated here. He did amazingly good but there were many other cricketers in his era who did equally good.
 
hahaha, thats why Ian Chappell, Geoffery Boycott, Harsha Bhogle etc. consider Imran to be the greatest captain from Asia. He needs no other validation. His only competition is Clive Lloyd.

He is considered great leader, what Imran achieved as Captain has already been surpassed by Dhoni, and it's not even close.

Kohli is already the GOAT Test captain from Asia, and while his LOI cabinet may be empty right now, no Asian team has dominated Cricket as much as Kohli's India, so him winning World events as Captain is only a matter of time.
 
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Kapil Dev has more runs, more wkts and also won ODI Worldcup. What make you believe Imran is greatest cricketer from Asia.

Like I say before, IK is quite overrated here. He did amazingly good but there were many other cricketers in his era who did equally good.

Pakistanis have an emotional bond with Imran like Indians share with Tendulkar. It is very hard to debate against that as it is mostly emotionals speaking, not facts.
 
hahaha, thats why Ian Chappell, Geoffery Boycott, Harsha Bhogle etc. consider Imran to be the greatest captain from Asia. He needs no other validation. His only competition is Clive Lloyd.

Kohli is writing his legacy. He is not finished.

In tests, Imran cannot be compared with Kohli. Kohli has already achieved in 3 years what Imran could not achieve in his entire career.

In ODI, Kohli still has three tournament to go as captain. So hang on there. Imran did fluked one WC which his team never deserved to win.

All those experts have given their opinions excluding Kohli era since its ongoing. Let it finish and you will see the different in achievements and results.
 
So, you don't have opinion?? you don't have any stats to backup your theory? Juts because couple of ex cricketer who has given their opinion on pre kohli era, you are not bothered to listen.

Stay in the bubble, then.

The same doesn’t apply when almost every former cricketing great or pundits who create their list of greatest cricketers put Tendulkar as the greatest cricketer from Asia.
 
Kohli is writing his legacy. He is not finished.

In tests, Imran cannot be compared with Kohli. Kohli has already achieved in 3 years what Imran could not achieve in his entire career.

In ODI, Kohli still has three tournament to go as captain. So hang on there. Imran did fluked one WC which his team never deserved to win.

All those experts have given their opinions excluding Kohli era since its ongoing. Let it finish and you will see the different in achievements and results.

Lol, you say IK fluked the 92 WC, yet from 1987-1992, Pakistan had the 2nd best win loss ratio in ODI cricket. Also won the Nehru Cup in India in 1989 in this period. Your hate for Imran is obvious, its not even funny.
 
I bet even you know cricket better than Manjreker.He was the most hated self centered mediocre 90's cricketer we produced.

No I wouldn’t claim that. There is a difference in playing cricket, then working in cricket as a journalist as compared to being a guy who has a day job, has not played cricket at that level and then watches cricket for casual entertainment. Manjrekar beats us all no matter how much we disagree with his views.

This is opinion based by him anyways. Not sure why it’s riling certain individuals up
 
Lol, you say IK fluked the 92 WC, yet from 1987-1992, Pakistan had the 2nd best win loss ratio in ODI cricket. Also won the Nehru Cup in India in 1989 in this period. Your hate for Imran is obvious, its not even funny.

OK, you are bringing bilaterlas ODI to compare with Kohli team? Did you not know Kohli team is Legend in bilaterlas ODI??:D Have you seen Team India ODI record in last 3 years.

Team India under Kohli has won 61 out of 85 matches in ODI with a success percentage of around 75 ( which is bordering all time greats, rest alone Asia)
 
I bet even you know cricket better than Manjreker.He was the most hated self centered mediocre 90's cricketer we produced.

Apparently, Majrekar's XI holds greater value when it suits them.

Talk about Bradman's 11, and it's a bad idea because he skipped Imran and Sachin was the only modern Cricketer there. :))
 
No I wouldn’t claim that. There is a difference in playing cricket, then working in cricket as a journalist as compared to being a guy who has a day job, has not played cricket at that level and then watches cricket for casual entertainment. Manjrekar beats us all no matter how much we disagree with his views.

This is opinion based by him anyways. Not sure why it’s riling certain individuals up

Opinion of ex-crickters ( especially average one) are not validation. If that is the case, all the opinions by many mediocre cricketers of both sides are showering lots of garbage in the recent times.
 
Kohl have no single ICC tournament on his name.
Let's win a trophy first before compare with anyone.
 
Kapil Dev has more runs, more wkts and also won ODI Worldcup. What make you believe Imran is greatest cricketer from Asia.

Like I say before, IK is quite overrated here. He did amazingly good but there were many other cricketers in his era who did equally good.

Imran missed best part of 2 years due to stress fractures whilst at peak otherwise your looking at near 500 wickets,
Imran the bowler v kapil the bowler is a silly comparison
 
Doesn't matter whose team was better, at least Imran's name is taken in the same breath as Kohli. It is a sign that Pakistan was a cricket powerhouse back in the days. Imran defined our cricket legacy that was required in the 90s, something that Kohli is defining for India as a modern day cricketer.
 
Opinion of ex-crickters ( especially average one) are not validation. If that is the case, all the opinions by many mediocre cricketers of both sides are showering lots of garbage in the recent times.

Ok so let’s debate as expert fans. How is this statement by Manjrekar incorrect? Is it invalid because Manjrekar is mediocre or is it just incorrect?
 
Manjrekar has been wide off the mark in a number of recent comments like jadeja, advising Bumrah(!). I get it, he wants to stay relevant and now this.

On topic, he’s right in the leadership aspect that Kohli commands loyalty, respect and performance from his team mates just like Imran did. However from an accomplishment point of view, a long way to go before we can start comparing.
 
Ok so let’s debate as expert fans. How is this statement by Manjrekar incorrect? Is it invalid because Manjrekar is mediocre or is it just incorrect?

Manjerker statement is his personal opinion...its not a validation. To be fair, he is not comparing anyone here. We as fans are comparing both captains and that should be based on facts alone and not ex cricketer tweets.
 
Manjrekar has been wide off the mark in a number of recent comments like jadeja, advising Bumrah(!). I get it, he wants to stay relevant and now this.

On topic, he’s right in the leadership aspect that Kohli commands loyalty, respect and performance from his team mates just like Imran did. However from an accomplishment point of view, a long way to go before we can start comparing.
Kohli already has better ODI and Test record as captain than Imran. The only thing missing is an ICC trophy and he has 3 upcoming attempt on that. So he has a valid shot at that.
 
We need to be careful with broad brush comparisons. Leadership is a multi-faceted capability. We need to be careful what aspects are being compared and along with stats to back it up. To be fair to Manjrekar, he’s talking about leading the team part and not the accomplishment which i agrée is still work in progress for kohli and his team. So the jury is still out on the latter.
 
Manjerker statement is his personal opinion...its not a validation. To be fair, he is not comparing anyone here. We as fans are comparing both captains and that should be based on facts alone and not ex cricketer tweets.
Ok but my question to you is what do you feel about it? Do you disagree with his opinion and if so, why brother?
 
Kapil Dev has more runs, more wkts and also won ODI Worldcup. What make you believe Imran is greatest cricketer from Asia.

Like I say before, IK is quite overrated here. He did amazingly good but there were many other cricketers in his era who did equally good.

Imran averaged 37 with bat and 22 with ball and produced a surplus of 15 which is greater than any player ever produced in Asia and a rarity in world cricket as well.

I always thought Indian fans knew their cricket but it doesnt seem to be the case with some because saying Kapil is greater based upon few more wickets and runs at an average which is pretty ordinary in both aspects in comparison to Imran. Kapil averaged 31 with bat and 29 with ball producing a surplus of only 2.

In which world is that even a comparison?

It is quite the contrary to what many are saying, its Indian fans who become emotional and over rate their cricketers from the past.

Also by your logic Shahid Afridi must be far superior that Kapil Dev in ODIs, as he averaged same with the bat and with almost double the runs not few hundred runs which you brought into comparison of greatness and took around 140, 150 more wickets.
 
Imran averaged 37 with bat and 22 with ball and produced a surplus of 15 which is greater than any player ever produced in Asia and a rarity in world cricket as well.

I always thought Indian fans knew their cricket but it doesnt seem to be the case with some because saying Kapil is greater based upon few more wickets and runs at an average which is pretty ordinary in both aspects in comparison to Imran. Kapil averaged 31 with bat and 29 with ball producing a surplus of only 2.

In which world is that even a comparison?

It is quite the contrary to what many are saying, its Indian fans who become emotional and over rate their cricketers from the past.

Also by your logic Shahid Afridi must be far superior that Kapil Dev in ODIs, as he averaged same with the bat and with almost double the runs not few hundred runs which you brought into comparison of greatness and took around 140, 150 more wickets.

Lmao. Kapil greater then Imran. I have heard it all now.
 
I think IK's team was much more ruthless. They regularly thrashed their arch rivals and completely dominated them.

That team also had several ATGs.

I am not sure we need to think for this. We have actual data.

IK's team:

Test W/L - 1.7

ODI W/L - 1.2


Kohli's Team:

Test W/L - 3.3

ODI W/L - 2.9

If 1.7 & 1.2 was being total ruthless and domination then we can all agree that 3.3 & 2.9 is twice the domination and twice the ruthlessness.
 
I am not sure we need to think for this. We have actual data.

IK's team:

Test W/L - 1.7

ODI W/L - 1.2


Kohli's Team:

Test W/L - 3.3

ODI W/L - 2.9

If 1.7 & 1.2 was being total ruthless and domination then we can all agree that 3.3 & 2.9 is twice the domination and twice the ruthlessness.

I don't think captaincy is judged on win loss records, otherwise Alan Border wouldn't be rated as a better captain than Steve Waugh and Ponting by Ian Chappell.
 
Exactly, its not even much of a comparison.

With due respect kapil is several leagues below Imran. Indians and their hate for imran. It's hard for them to digest the fact that he is the greatest Asian cricketer ever.
 
Kohli’s India is vastly superior in terms of personnel, and Kohli is also a better player and captain than Imran.

This is the greatest Asian team of all time.

Already a better captain than Imran with zero ICC trophies ok.

LoL
 
I don't think captaincy is judged on win loss records, otherwise Alan Border wouldn't be rated as a better captain than Steve Waugh and Ponting by Ian Chappell.

I agree. Captaincy is only judged on metrics where Imran Khan with his Mickey Mouse number of 14 Test wins comes across as better than Kohli who already has 33 Test wins.

People can cry about different eras and bla bla, but the gap between 33 Test wins (and counting) and 14 Test wins is too huge for any cross-era adjustments.

As someone rightly pointed out, Pakistani fans have an emotional connection with Imran which is similar to what Indians have with Tendulkar.

Imran and Tendulkar will always be the greatest in the respective eyes of their cult-followers.
 
Kohli will become the most successful Test captain (by wins) in history, and his team will also spend more time as number 1 than any other Asian team in history.

However, Imran will always be miles ahead as captain because of XYZ reasons that cannot be measured or quantified.
 
Imran was the GOAT Asian captain until Dhoni and Kohli emerged.

Dhoni surpassed him in ODIs and Kohli has surpassed him in Tests.

One can also argue that Ganguly was as good if not better. However, the former two have surpassed him with ease.
 
Need to stop living in the past. Most of the people here haven't even seen Imran play.

Kohli has set the gold standard against which all individual and team comparisons will be made in the future. The greatest Asian cricketer.
 
I don't think captaincy is judged on win loss records, otherwise Alan Border wouldn't be rated as a better captain than Steve Waugh and Ponting by Ian Chappell.

I wasn't juding captaincy skills at all, but it's fair to say that Waugh's/Ponting's team was far more ruthless than Border's team. Similarly, Kohli's team is far more ruthless than IK's team.
 
Unfortunately, I am a Pakistani.

Also unfortunately, I am not old enough to remember the Imran era because I started watching cricket in the late 90’s.

That is why I do value the opinion of older people, because there are some things that you only learn with experience.

However, there is enough information available for people to make up their own minds and not just rely on the anecdotes of others, since they are often loaded with bias.

I also feel that people use this line of argument very selectively.

I firmly believe that Kohli is a greater player and captain than Imran. Firstly, Imran’s average of 50 with the bat in the last 10 years of his career is inflated and not an accurate measure of his batting capability.

Would you say that Imran in the last 10 years of his Test career was as good a batsman as Miandad, Inzamam, Yousuf and Younis who all averaged 50? Certainly not.

The rate at which Kohli wins Test matches is absolutely incredible. You can downplay him because of different eras, but remember - if Test matches are more result oriented today,

it not only means that Tests were harder to win in Imran’s era, but also harder to lose.

But what makes Kohli such a great Test captain is that not only does he wins matches at an incomparable rate to Imran, his rate of losing matches is almost identical to that of Imran.

Misbah also won more than Imran, but he also lost more, and it is clear that he was nowhere near the captain Imran was.

Furthermore, Imran benefited from playing in the pre-social media and Internet era. In those times, cricketers were not micro-analyzed.

Imran got away with losing a Test to Sri Lanka in 1986 (who only won 2 Tests in that decade), but if Kohli were to lose a Test to Bangladesh today, he would be grilled for the rest of his career.

People who claim that Imran was the better captain because he played in a different era, well my question is - what does Kohli have to do in today’s era to be considered a better captain?

He is winning matches at a ridiculous rate and is almost certain to overtake G. Smith as the most prolific Test captain in history by number of wins. In addition, his performance as a batsman during his captaincy has been extraordinary.

What makes Kohli so special is that he still has 5-6 years left in him. Even if he retires today, he will go down as one of the top 10 players in history. However, by the time he is 36-37 and ready to call it a day, he will surely be ranked among the top 3 batsmen and captains of all time.

In Limited Overs, Imran has a better legacy as captain because of the World Cup. Unless Kohli wins the 2023 World Cup which will most probably be his last as captain, he will remain an inferior ODI captain.

However, there is often a small margin between winning or losing a World Cup. Every champion needs some luck. Kohli’s India haven’t had that luck so far, but Imran’s Pakistan did in 1992.

Imran is one of the greatest players and captain in history. Certainly the best in Pakistan’s history.

However, Kohli has done enough in his career so far to be considered better both as a player and as a Test captain, and I firmly believe that his team would beat Imran’s team in both Tests and ODIs.

As far as turning players into superstars is concerned, we need to understand that no captain has a magic wand.

If a player doesn’t have the ability to be a superstar a captain cannot do anything.

Like all great captains including Kohli, Imran was lucky to have amazing talents like Wasim, Waqar, Inzamam etc. whom he polished. However, you cannot polish **** or players who do not have elite potential.

Imran couldn’t convert players like Ijaz Ahmed into Inzamam, Saleem Jaffer into Wasim and Aqib Javed into Waqar. It is not that he didn’t work hard with them or didn’t give him the same advice he gave to Wasim and Waqar. It is just that they didn’t have the talent to be as good.

Similarly, Kohli couldn’t have turned Dinda into Bumrah either.

Imran like other previous of his generation benefit greatly from the fact that their records and achievements are not scrutinized and belittled like modern players, and this is the social media and Internet effect. Modern players like Kohli don’t have that luxury.

For example, Imran’s innings in the 1992 semifinal against New Zealand was as bad as Misbah’s Mohali innings. However, Miandad and especially Inzamam played blinders to save the day.

For Misbah, had Afridi, Umar or Razzaq played similar knocks, he would not be criticized for it for the rest of his career.

Furthermore, during Imran’s innings in the semifinal, there would be a meltdown on PP and Twitter, people would be calling him tuk tuk and selfish and what not.

But since it happened in 1992 when there was no PP and Twitter, and Pakistan ended up winning the World Cup, no one considers that innings as a potentially match-losing one, but that is what it was before Inzamam and Miandad rescued Pakistan.

I am not anti-Pakistan. It’s just that I think we have been rubbish for far too long, I hate our cricket culture, I hate the way we play the game, I hate the way our ex-players, analysts and fans observe the game, I hate the way we celebrate inconsistency and romanticize it as unpredictability and cornered tigers mentality.

If I were a neutral, Pakistan would have been the last team that I would have supported. Unfortunately, I have deep love for the game and I was born in Pakistan and this is where I grew up, so I have no choice but to support the team even if I don’t want to.

The problem is that people don’t care to listen to my point of view and call it hatred. This is not hatred from my perspective. Unfortunately, some people only quote me so that they can get into needless arguments, and I try to resist the provocation but not always successfully.

If people present their opinions respectfully and in a civil manner like you, and don’t aim to provoke me, I am more than willing to give my perspective.

Whether people agree or not is not the point and it is not my intention to make everyone agree with me. I just give my perspective but people have a problem with it.

So you say, unfortunately you’re Pakistani yet claim to not be anti Pakistan. Jesus Christ I’m questioning your competency.
 
I agree. Captaincy is only judged on metrics where Imran Khan with his Mickey Mouse number of 14 Test wins comes across as better than Kohli who already has 33 Test wins.

People can cry about different eras and bla bla, but the gap between 33 Test wins (and counting) and 14 Test wins is too huge for any cross-era adjustments.

As someone rightly pointed out, Pakistani fans have an emotional connection with Imran which is similar to what Indians have with Tendulkar.

Imran and Tendulkar will always be the greatest in the respective eyes of their cult-followers.

No need to get triggered. Just that I value the opinions of the cricketing greats like Ian Chappell, Geoffrey Boycott, Mike Brearley etc. who saw Imran play, more than the opinions of some random posters here. You are free to believe that Kohli is the greatest captain ever, no sweat off my back.
 
In terms of accomplishments as a captain, Kohli is the greatest Asian captain for Tests.

In ODIs however, Dhoni is still the GOAT followed by Imran.

Completely agree, people often let emotions cloud their judgement and start ignoring facts. IK is nowhere near Kohli as a test captain. Dhoni arguably is the finest limited over tactician ever.
 
Kapil Dev has more runs, more wkts and also won ODI Worldcup. What make you believe Imran is greatest cricketer from Asia.

Like I say before, IK is quite overrated here. He did amazingly good but there were many other cricketers in his era who did equally good.

Delusional comparison. Simple question: Can you tell me what were Kapil’s batting and bowling averages compared to Imran? Answer: Imran’s are better than him in ODI’s and Tests. In tests, there is actually not even a comparison, Kapil does not even come close to Imran as an a/r.
 
Kohli’s India is vastly superior in terms of personnel, and Kohli is also a better player and captain than Imran.

This is the greatest Asian team of all time.

Ik's bowling stats are let alone far superior than kohli's batting stats in tests and how you can compare yadav shami and ishant with wasim waqar and imran even akhtar who under achieved has superior stats than these three
 
Cricket is decreasing in popularity in the ASENA countries. It's no surprise India is so dominant. However I still think Australia right now would wipe the floor with India, even England would defeat them pretty easily at home.
 
Imran Khan team was nothing special. Kohli will finish as a better captain than Imran Khan due to the legacy and state he will leave the Indian team in . Also there is a good chance India will win the test championship and they can win the WC in India in 2023.
 
Imran Khan team was nothing special. Kohli will finish as a better captain than Imran Khan due to the legacy and state he will leave the Indian team in . Also there is a good chance India will win the test championship and they can win the WC in India in 2023.

You clearly haven't watched Imran captain on the field. Even Dhoni pales in comparison let alone Kohli.
 
Ok but my question to you is what do you feel about it? Do you disagree with his opinion and if so, why brother?

I disagree with his opinion because stats doesn't support ' the greatest Asian captain'. The test captaincy record is pretty plain average. The only notable achievement as captain is ODI 1992 world cup with the help of rain.
 
Imran averaged 37 with bat and 22 with ball and produced a surplus of 15 which is greater than any player ever produced in Asia and a rarity in world cricket as well.

I always thought Indian fans knew their cricket but it doesnt seem to be the case with some because saying Kapil is greater based upon few more wickets and runs at an average which is pretty ordinary in both aspects in comparison to Imran. Kapil averaged 31 with bat and 29 with ball producing a surplus of only 2.

In which world is that even a comparison?

It is quite the contrary to what many are saying, its Indian fans who become emotional and over rate their cricketers from the past.

Also by your logic Shahid Afridi must be far superior that Kapil Dev in ODIs, as he averaged same with the bat and with almost double the runs not few hundred runs which you brought into comparison of greatness and took around 140, 150 more wickets.

Ok, so this surplus is the new benchmark for 'greatest Asian cricketer ', quite funny. So by that logic no batsman or bowler can make the cut...how convenient. Is this devised by some amateur pakistan fan ?? Is this a standard?

Ok by this logic, Sir Jadeja is on verge of greatness with a surplus of 11 and few more test cricket coming up.

BTW you missed the context entirely. It was not abt kapil vs Imran. It was about how to judge ' the greatest Asian cricketer'. But one thing is sure Imran the captain <<< Kohli the captain because you just needs to see the overall test and OD record to confirm that. ( Kohli is even not finished but he has better ODI and test record by country mile)
 
No need to get triggered. Just that I value the opinions of the cricketing greats like Ian Chappell, Geoffrey Boycott, Mike Brearley etc. who saw Imran play, more than the opinions of some random posters here. You are free to believe that Kohli is the greatest captain ever, no sweat off my back.

Again, no facts , just 90's ex cricketer tweets/opinions blah blah....Give me stats man if you can! You can't! There is no comparison. You can see the stats above in the thread.
 
it is not so right to see a current era player name being said with the past era player be it any player as it is so very not fair because the game was played quite differently in the 80s and 90s and the number of matches being played in this era are way so many and also the new rules of DRS makes a huge difference and it is so unfair for era of 80s 90s or even from 2000-2008 to make any reference or any comparison with current era.I personally dont like it when someone says the current era batsmen like Smith Kohli root williamson rohit babar Warner or any player are better than past era batsmen like sachin Dravid Laxman Inzimam Ponting there or so many great players between 1980 to 2008
 
Ok, so this surplus is the new benchmark for 'greatest Asian cricketer ', quite funny. So by that logic no batsman or bowler can make the cut...how convenient. Is this devised by some amateur pakistan fan ?? Is this a standard?

Ok by this logic, Sir Jadeja is on verge of greatness with a surplus of 11 and few more test cricket coming up.

BTW you missed the context entirely. It was not abt kapil vs Imran. It was about how to judge ' the greatest Asian cricketer'. But one thing is sure Imran the captain <<< Kohli the captain because you just needs to see the overall test and OD record to confirm that. ( Kohli is even not finished but he has better ODI and test record by country mile)

Again the question stands what is the basis upon which you said Kapil is greater than Imran? As Imran was superior in every sense from stats to impact, its not even a comparison.

If you stand by your point of more wickets and more runs then you also admit Afridi is far superior than Kapil in ODIs?
 
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I never said Kapil is superior than Imran...it was a counter to ' greatest ever Asian crickter ' which by default is Imran Khan for most Pakistan fans.

So, The context was 'greatest Asian crickter '..how do you judge that ?? Most runs, most wkts...Kapil had more ( that was my point )...if you consider your surplus theory ( Sir Jadeja is going to be greatest once he hangs out his boot )...it can't be a batsman or bowler ( because strangely greatest Asian crickter has to be an all rounder....?? So Don Bradman is not the Greatest ever by that logic )....

In short you can't declare any crickter ' the greatest ever ' because there were many crickters and they have produced tremendous results in their respective era.
 
Imran Khan team was nothing special. Kohli will finish as a better captain than Imran Khan due to the legacy and state he will leave the Indian team in . Also there is a good chance India will win the test championship and they can win the WC in India in 2023.

Kohlis mighty India away from home have been bang average
 
Leading on from this, what does the Pakistan team under Azhar Ali remind Manjrekar of? Like to see some insights from him about this also.
 
Imran is still the better captain because he has a WC win.

In tests Kohli is ahead of Imran. He has kept his team as number one since 2016.

Overall Dhoni is the Greatest captain from Asia,. A t20 WC,A world cup,a CT and test number one ranking, he achieved it all.
 
Delusional comparison. Simple question: Can you tell me what were Kapil’s batting and bowling averages compared to Imran? Answer: Imran’s are better than him in ODI’s and Tests. In tests, there is actually not even a comparison, Kapil does not even come close to Imran as an a/r.

You know who was the number 1 all rounder in ODIs for 10 years. Straight.
 
You know who was the number 1 all rounder in ODIs for 10 years. Straight.

Jacques Kallis; Imran Khan; Gary Sobers? Surely, you don’t mean Kapil Dev, a player who averaged under 25 with the ball only three non consecutive years and over 40 with the bat in only three non consecutive years in a 17 year career?
 
You know who was the number 1 all rounder in ODIs for 10 years. Straight.

He was a bit better in ODI’s than he was in tests, but still only averaged over 30 with the bat twice in a 17 year career. A bit better with the ball, an under 25 average in 5/17 years. Don’t know where your 10 years claim is coming from. Unless you are confusing him for IK in tests, who for 10 years, averaged over 50 with the bat, and 20 with the ball?
 
Manjrekar in his entire career had one good series where he scored 500+ runs against Pakistan in Pakistan when Imran was captain. So in order to make his achievement look special he would want us to believe that Imran Khan was a great captain. Fact of the matter is Imran was a draw specialist and a very conservative captain. And the particular series against India was a great proof when in a 6 match series he ensured that not pitches but roads were made so Pakistan couldn't loose.
 
Except for the Aus series , which is the greatest achievement by a SC team in Aus,what did kohli's Indian team achieve overseas.?

That record is poor with bad selections, if one considers captaincy includes selections+strategies = performances.

Being#1 is a good feeling to have but the Indian team of 2006/7 to 2010 performed better overseas.
 
Kapil Dev has more runs, more wkts and also won ODI Worldcup. What make you believe Imran is greatest cricketer from Asia.

Like I say before, IK is quite overrated here. He did amazingly good but there were many other cricketers in his era who did equally good.

lol even Kapil woildnt say he is better than Imran Khan :))
 
This is actually a pretty solid compliment for IK. Even in today's India, IKs leadership is looked up as a benchmark by SM.
 
I think Kohli will sooner surpass Imran and end up as second greatest test captain to have come from Asia.

Brilliant really! Overseas tests are the ones to be improved.
 
Imran Khan would be proud to be compared with the Greatest Cricket Captain of All Times from Asia.
 
For once manjeraker has shifted his Mumbai focus from rohit sharma to Imran khan... This guy has a great bias towards mumbai and delhi cricketers and I can still remember him and srikanth going gaga during the WC ind eng match calling rishabh pant as the X factor between both sides and also his profound hatred towards jadeja.....
 
You clearly haven't watched Imran captain on the field. Even Dhoni pales in comparison let alone Kohli.

Kohli has won more games. Developed a strong team and aura . They are unstoppable at home. Imran Khan won 14 tests I believe as captain. He is a great captain but that team isn't exactly great.
 
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