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India v Pakistan | 2nd Test | Kolkata | Day 4 | 3/12/07

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the true passionist said:
Wait till Akhtar comes on to bowl and all this talk of not taking the light will disappear.
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haha...what you talkig about..acoording to pheonix suns....batsmen don't get afraid of fast bowling...n prob in darkness they will play shoaib akhtar with their chest high :)))
 
the true passionist said:
Wait till Akhtar comes on to bowl and all this talk of not taking the light will disappear.
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cricinfo saying light starts to fade, let's see what YK does now
think he will bring Shoaib :D
 
29.1 Danish Kaneria to Ganguly, FOUR, dropped by Shoaib. Tossed up, outside off stump and Ganguly drove uppishly, he wanted to clear mid-off but he couldn't get the elevation and Shoaib stretched his hands out but couldn't hold on
 
It would be funny if Kumble declared now and we won.
 
Hash said:
It would be funny if Kumble declared now and we won.
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he will not declared less than 350

and they may decide not to declare in tonight's team meeting
 
asim- it seems the pitch hasn't really crumbled as it was predicted.

340 is really the minimum I can see Kumble setting us, which is another 50 runs. And will leave us with about 83 or 84 overs (80 or so if you take light into account) to survive.
 
This terrible to watch, Indians seem confused they dont know what the heck to do. I can sense it we are going for a draw but hoping for a fluke win, PATHETIC ATTITUDE..
 
UsmanhailsAfridi said:
ahhhh can they plz give us a grassy track for the banglore match....akhtar ki bowling dekhni hai....plzzzz
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grassy track wont really help Akhtar. A hard and bouncy wicket is what woul dmake him lethal....like Perth use to be. Grassy track would help the likes of Asif and Gul.
 
Shoaib Akhtar is a treat to watch, he is still going strongly after 4 odis and one test, and Indians simply can't play him.
 
shoaib just calling someone 'gandoo'...prob yasir...haha...no wonder afridi was telling him to respect teh youngsters
 
shoaib a little frustrated, using some "adult" language..lol ..something like "G@ndoo" to dunno who??..mayb ganguly..

edit: was poor yasir...haha
 
Dhoni 27 (49) ...
Looks like some good bowling by Pakistan here! Pitch still looks like a good one to bat on, this looks like a dull draw, [unless Misbah departs cheaply ;)]
 
UsmanhailsAfridi said:
shoaib just calling someone 'gandoo'...prob yasir...haha...no wonder afridi was telling him to respect teh youngsters
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:)))
 
Hash said:
grassy track wont really help Akhtar. A hard and bouncy wicket is what woul dmake him lethal....like Perth use to be. Grassy track would help the likes of Asif and Gul.
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i understand the difference between grassy and hard...but hard to get a bouncy track in India bc the way the pitch composition....grass is more of a possibility...

and that little bit of swing that shoaib might get at his pace on a grassy wicket could be lethal
 
Caved12 said:
Shoaib Akhtar is a treat to watch, he is still going strongly after 4 odis and one test, and Indians simply can't play him.
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U r joking "can't play" u have nothing to talk other than shoaib! :)))
 
Gabru said:
shoaib a little frustrated, using some "adult" language..lol ..something like "G@ndoo" to dunno who??..mayb ganguly..

edit: was poor yasir...haha
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HE WAS yellling at yasir who was standing at covers
 
UsmanhailsAfridi said:
i understand the difference between grassy and hard...but hard to get a bouncy track in India bc the way the pitch composition....grass is more of a possibility...

and that little bit of swing that shoaib might get at his pace on a grassy wicket could be lethal
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but grass doesn't have any impact on swing......it's seam movement that grass helps.
 
Hash said:
but grass doesn't have any impact on swing......it's seam movement that grass helps.
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true...i meant to say seam movment....shoaib can be lethal even with that much...o welll
 
350 on this pitch is gettable..the indians will play safe and bat out if they have to..no need to go for a win and give Pak a sniff..just bat out and give us something uncomfortable for a session..
 
Why did india leave? Clearly they dont think they can win the match.
 
when he said gand^*& he was referring to Ganguly Saying to yasir that he should not have let G@andu (Ganguly) get these runs
 
Hav you noticed under Younis' captaincy everone has been patting each other on their bottoms as opposed to the back.
 
typical ganguly. No hesitation in leaving the field when light was offered. Wouldn't wanna hurt that average now would we?
 
kablooee87 said:
typical ganguly. No hesitation in leaving the field when light was offered. Wouldn't wanna hurt that average now would we?
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from cricinfo:

The umpires have decided to call the play off as they consider the light has really faded away. The umpires have the authority to decide to call it off if in their opinion the light is not suitable for play. So even if the Indians wanted to stay, they cannot . And it ends with a lighter moment. Dhoni was standing at the crease when the umpires said that's it, end of the day and Younis Khan came behind Dhoni and pushed him out and asked him to go to the pavilion. Both players laugh and walk off together.

apparently it wasn't offered, but taken by umpires..
 
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alghazzali said:
Hav you noticed under Younis' captaincy everone has been patting each other on their bottoms as opposed to the back.
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Younis khan 'bonds' very well with his team players :P
 
D BHAI said:
I am very much clear! I never hide my identity!
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you should not, but then you should start to watch cricket little more carefully and sensibly,cause from the first Odi, Indian batsmen have had trouble playing akhtar, till now, but clearly you cant see or accept that.
 
so when do you guys think kumble will declare? 400 or giv us a sniff..i reckon he wont and will be smart and play it safe...
 
Kumble will set us 340 as an absolute minimum and that gives us a slight sniff if we don't lose wicets and go into the final session needing 150-160 with 7 or so wickets in hand.
 
india need 50 off 7/8 overs in the morning and then declare with 80 overs to bowl us out on a day 5 wicket chasing 350 in 80- overs. If Afridi was in the team, there would be more nervousness for kumble
 
Cricbuzz:
The roller coaster ride is set to enter its final loop. Indians will be looking to declare first thing tomorrow morning so as to give Pakistan a realistic hope of winning the match and bait them with that hope.

Cricinfo
India lead by 301. They will be probably bat an hour tomorrow, press for quick runs and declare. Let's see what happens. This is Sriram Veera, signing off. Shab bakhair!

Conflicting reports, but let's see when they declare.
 
Pakistan will have to bat 75-80 overs tomorrow.

Last time we folded on day 5 on this ground. I hope we save the match and then go into final game still with chance of drawing the series.
 
hmmm... I see a complete clatter of wickets falling tomorrow - just hope our boys can hang on by the skin of their teeth
 
India with all the aces up their sleeve. They dont have to declare of course given that they are already 1-0 up. 300 ahead, 8 wickets in hand and the pitch is certainly roughed up now - I know whose shoes I'd rather be in.

I thought though that the Indians could have pushed on a little more today and maybe be 330 ahead already. I guess they'l bat for an hour tomorrow and stick Pakistan in.
 
Saj said:
India with all the aces up their sleeve. They dont have to declare of course given that they are already 1-0 up. 300 ahead, 8 wickets in hand and the pitch is certainly roughed up now - I know whose shoes I'd rather be in.

I thought though that the Indians could have pushed on a little more today and maybe be 330 ahead already. I guess they'l bat for an hour tomorrow and stick Pakistan in.
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They tried really hard Saj but Akhtar and Kaneria were bowling really well.

Also the Umpires wouldn't let them play anymore :16:
 
day 5, we need to bowl well and keep them tied down for as long as possible.
When we bat we cant go into our shell we have to be positive an put pressure on them. if we have wickets in hands we can go for an assault in the final session. but we can't play too defensively, we have to be cautious but not too defensive otherwise kumble and harbajan will run through us.
 
Hash said:
Kumble will set us 340 as an absolute minimum and that gives us a slight sniff if we don't lose wicets and go into the final session needing 150-160 with 7 or so wickets in hand.
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.....but even if they do declare at this score, there is no way Pakistan will able to chase 301! They will have to play for draw.....but it will give India an extra hour ot bowl at Pak.
Any "aggressive" captain would have had his batsmen batted faster than they did and declare over night.
 
W63L35 said:
.....but even if they do declare at this score, there is no way Pakistan will able to chase 301! They will have to play for draw.....but it will give India an extra hour ot bowl at Pak.
Any "aggressive" captain would have had his batsmen batted faster than they did and declare over night.
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anything up to 330 and we will win for sure.

Beyond that a draw.
 
Pakistan have to bat postively, playing for a draw will fall into indias hands.

we have four top order batsmen + akmal and then pretty much tailenders (Including hameed/F iqbal)
 
Hash said:
anything up to 330 and we will win for sure.

Beyond that a draw.
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Well....you have too much trust in our batting and the wicket than I do.
But you could be right, at 155-5, I thought we'll NEVER save the follow on - but that was based upon the ball that took Yousaf and Butt's wicket. The way those ball turned......I though, there was no way we would even cross 250. The way Kamran and Misbah batted was simply out of this world - as Bruce Yardley said, this the BEST partnership he has EVER witnessed!

My only thing is....what are the chances Pak can bat "out the worldly way" in two consecutive innings. :P

You have to take into account the way Younis is going to gift his wicket away - as he did in the 1st innings of BOTH tests! :12:

As I said, earlier, Kumble is seems to be a defensive captain (plus he is leading 1-0)...so he'll make SURE that we don't have a slightest chance of winning. If he bats another hour, and does not bowl Pak out.....he'll have to answer to a lot of criticism because according to all the "experts", this wicket is supposed to be a LAND MINE on 5th day. Pak will have bat really well to save the test because if Harby starts bowling the balls he bowled Yousaf and Kamran with, we'll be in trouble. I did not see the how the balls turned when he got last two wickets.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Pakistan have to bat postively, playing for a draw will fall into indias hands.

we have four top order batsmen + akmal and then pretty much tailenders (Including hameed/F iqbal)
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Correction:

we have four top order batsmen + akmal + Sami and then........... :)
 
W63L35 said:
Well....you have too much trust in our batting and the wicket than I do.
But you could be right, at 155-5, I thought we'll NEVER save the follow on - but that was based upon the ball that took Yousaf and Butt's wicket. The way those ball turned......I though, there was no way we would even cross 250. The way Kamran and Misbah batted was simply out of this world - as Bruce Yardley said, this the BEST partnership he has EVER witnessed!
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It was a sensational partnership for sure, which made a change from all the 'partnershits' that our pairs were coming out with. But I have seen ONE better partnership and it was between Younis and Yousuf in England. It was the Leeds test, I think.

w63l35 said:
My only thing is....what are the chances Pak can bat "out the worldly way" in two consecutive innings. :P

You have to take into account the way Younis is going to gift his wicket away - as he did in the 1st innings of BOTH tests! :12:
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Both Younis and Yousuf have really let Pakistan down in this series so far. They are both due big knocks and I expect them to 'do it' tomorrow :D

w63l35 said:
As I said, earlier, Kumble is seems to be a defensive captain (plus he is leading 1-0)...so he'll make SURE that we don't have a slightest chance of winning. If he bats another hour, and does not bowl Pak out.....he'll have to answer to a lot of criticism because according to all the "experts", this wicket is supposed to be a LAND MINE on 5th day. Pak will have bat really well to save the test because if Harby starts bowling the balls he bowled Yousaf and Kamran with, we'll be in trouble. I did not see the how the balls turned when he got last two wickets.
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I think Kumble will play it safe and bat for another hour. And I don't blame him given the 1-0 series lead and I wouldn't blame a Pakistan captain for doing the same. We will probably have to bat out 2 and a half sessions, which....come on, surely we can do that.

p.s. Nice to be putting a structured reply to one of your posts which isn't hostile! ;-)
 
Hash said:
It was a sensational partnership for sure, which made a change from all the 'partnershits' that our pairs were coming out with. But I have seen ONE better partnership and it was between Younis and Yousuf in England. It was the Leeds test, I think.
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I have seen a few better partnerships..and thats why I quoted Bruce. :)

Hash said:
Both Younis and Yousuf have really let Pakistan down in this series so far. They are both due big knocks and I expect them to 'do it' tomorrow :D
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If you go by the laws of probabilities, you are right but....it is our "BATTING" we aretalking about! :P

Hash said:
I think Kumble will play it safe and bat for another hour. And I don't blame him given the 1-0 series lead and I wouldn't blame a Pakistan captain for doing the same. We will probably have to bat out 2 and a half sessions, which....come on, surely we can do that.
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Like I said, we SHOULD be able to do it but again - we are talking about our "unpredictable" batting. We "should have" scored only 100 more runs in both innings combined in Delhi but we did not. Our top order "should have" scored more than 155 runs in this test but we didn't. Had our top order clicked and scored 725 or so runs by the end of the day yesterday.....it would have been REALLY interesting to see India bat on the last day with 109 runs behind!

Hash said:
p.s. Nice to be putting a structured reply to one of your posts which isn't hostile! ;-)
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:20: :O :) :P
 
It was a sensational partnership for sure, which made a change from all the 'partnershits' that our pairs were coming out with. But I have seen ONE better partnership and it was between Younis and Yousuf in England. It was the Leeds test, I think.
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Remember that partnership, brillaint stuff from the two Y's. But i also remember how we ended up losing that test match!
 
Yousuf missed out on a flat pancake pitch. If he had got a start it would have been very difficult to get him out. He made a mole out of mountain on this pitch. Even Sami looked invincible on this pitch.
 
Why does Osman Samiuddin on the cricinfo buliten make it sound as if India are on the verge of winning this game :| or is it just me? :P
 
UsmanhailsAfridi said:
ahhhh can they plz give us a grassy track for the banglore match....akhtar ki bowling dekhni hai....plzzzz
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Not on your life.

India aren't going to potentially throw away a series victory against Pakistan by preparing a track that might give a result. It's going to be another incredibly dead, flat pitch that ends in a draw.
 
Gonzo said:
Not on your life.

India aren't going to potentially throw away a series victory against Pakistan by preparing a track that might give a result. It's going to be another incredibly dead, flat pitch that ends in a draw.
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most likely it will be a spinning track. Very very few test matches in India have resulted in a draw in recent times
 
Indiafan said:
most likely it will be a spinning track. Very very few test matches in India have resulted in a draw in recent times
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What about this test? :P
 
good stuff from pakistan and misbah is a class act! I think we will win tomorrow though, gotta go bang bang in the first 10 and rack up 50+, then set bhajji and kumble loose.
 
Tupac said:
good stuff from pakistan and misbah is a class act! I think we will win tomorrow though, gotta go bang bang in the first 10 and rack up 50+, then set bhajji and kumble loose.
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Asalaam alikum Wr Wb;

The only place kumble and harbhajan are going to be let loose is towards boundaries and in the stands and milked for singles and doubles incessantly. I have a strong feeling pakistan will save this test. There is only one team that will come out stronger pyschologically and that is pakistan after akmal and misbah's brilliant rearguard partnership of 207 runs. WE may not win this test but won't let india win.

Regardless how the fifth day pitch is going to play i believe indian spin twin kumble and harbhajan are due for more turmoil and stick. But this time younis and yousuf will be doing the honours as they have yet to contribute.
 
Gonzo said:
Not on your life.

India aren't going to potentially throw away a series victory against Pakistan by preparing a track that might give a result. It's going to be another incredibly dead, flat pitch that ends in a draw.
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As is our right as the host team.
 
Cryin Out Loud said:
As is our right as the host team.
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yes absolutely.

But when the PCB prepare dead flat pitches everyone goes ape and starts acting as if Dr Nasim Ashraf has destroyed the cure for cancer. So it's only fair that the BCCI gets the same treatment.
 
Gonzo said:
Not on your life.

India aren't going to potentially throw away a series victory against Pakistan by preparing a track that might give a result. It's going to be another incredibly dead, flat pitch that ends in a draw.
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The last time Pak went into Bangalore down 1-0 they went the test match.
 
kablooee87 said:
The last time Pak went into Bangalore down 1-0 they went the test match.
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I don't think the pitch particularly 'crumbled' that day either. Just that we had a big score on the board and were able to put men around the bat and the pressure did the rest (along with good bowling, obviously....even though our attack was Sami, Razzaq, Arshad, Danish and Afridi).

The key in Bangalore is if we bowl first to somehow keep India below 400 and if we bat first rake up 450-500 preferably. Ofcourse we have to draw this game first, which I believe we will.....or be it with a hick up or 3.
 
If PAK draw this game then IND will be in a difficult situation because last time they tried to prepare a very flat pitch at Bangalore and the move backfired. So i wonder if they will prepare a similar pitch to the one in 05.
 
Hash said:
yes absolutely.

But when the PCB prepare dead flat pitches everyone goes ape and starts acting as if Dr Nasim Ashraf has destroyed the cure for cancer. So it's only fair that the BCCI gets the same treatment.
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I didn't go ape, for one.

And dunno about the PCB/ Dr. Ashraf, but the BCCI is probably incompetent enough to create a new strain of the AIDS virus by itself. I support anyone who wants to kick the BCCI in the nuts, for any reason whatsoever.

Still, host country has first dibs to the pitch. Pakistan against SA few months ago, India now.
 
Bilsher007 said:
Asalaam alikum Wr Wb;

The only place kumble and harbhajan are going to be let loose is towards boundaries and in the stands and milked for singles and doubles incessantly. I have a strong feeling pakistan will save this test. There is only one team that will come out stronger pyschologically and that is pakistan after akmal and misbah's brilliant rearguard partnership of 207 runs. WE may not win this test but won't let india win.

Regardless how the fifth day pitch is going to play i believe indian spin twin kumble and harbhajan are due for more turmoil and stick. But this time younis and yousuf will be doing the honours as they have yet to contribute.
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vaalikum asalam,

let's see what happens. If we get a couple early, we can go all gunz blazing on attack and put pressure on the middle order.
 
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