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India v South Africa 2025 | 2nd Test | Guwahati | November 22-26 | Match Discussion

Which team will win the 2nd Test?

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RidiculousMan said:
I'm amazed at the reasoning of some Indian fans who believe that Bumrah shouldn't come to bat because he'll get "injured".

Just astonishing. It's like Indian fans would rather lose Test matches then see Bumrah go through tough period.
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They know that they are FINISHED without him
 
SA should bat again and bat India completely out of the game and series
 
Haha this is hilarious, getting bundled out for less than 200 on a flat track, unable to score against fast men, nor the spinners.
May be India should stop playing at home
 
Batting again suggests South Africa want to play it safe. No way the Indian team would have come back from this. This at least gives India some chance to draw the game.
 
amvbfm said:
Batting again suggests South Africa want to play it safe. No way the Indian team would have come back from this. This at least gives India some chance to draw the game.
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I wouldn’t take a risk with Jaiswal

He can turn a game on its head in 3 sessions of batting. You never know with Pant as well.

Might as well have 500 to bowl at and take it from there
 
Rana said:
I wouldn’t take a risk with Jaiswal

He can turn a game on its head in 3 sessions of batting. You never know with Pant as well.

Might as well have 500 to bowl at and take it from there
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This also ensures that India doesn't win. If India bats through the last innings. Then fair enough the match ends in a draw.

This decision has ensured that South Africa win the series no matter what
 
Rana said:
I wouldn’t take a risk with Jaiswal

He can turn a game on its head in 3 sessions of batting. You never know with Pant as well.

Might as well have 500 to bowl at and take it from there
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Yeah as i said its the safer option and South Africa won't risk a historic series win. I rate Jaiswal as the best young talent in the game but still don't see India coming back from this. Third and fourth innings performances are as much about skill as mental state and toughness and I don't think India are in a winning or even fighting state of mind at the moment. But its an understandable decision.
 
amvbfm said:
Why doesn't Esawaran get a chance? He has been around the team for so long without getting a game.
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This is a strange one. If KL is not keeping then why is he still in the side as an opener? surely there are better openers, more deserving than him.
 
amvbfm said:
Batting again suggests South Africa want to play it safe. No way the Indian team would have come back from this. This at least gives India some chance to draw the game.
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Alot of times these days we see teams perform better with a 'nothing to lose' mindset in the second innings. And as a result your bowlers get burnt out, and the batters get tired fielding all day.

When the pitch is good to bat on and there's plenty of time left in the test match, batting again is the smarter choice, even if it might not feel like the attacking choice.
 
new poll added guys!

Was it the right decision by South Africa to not ask India to follow on in the 2nd Test?

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Thread 'Was it the right decision by South Africa not to ask India to follow on in the 2nd Test?'

South Africa chose not to enforce the follow-on despite leading by 288 after bowling India out for 201, opting instead to bat again on Day 3 in Guwahati; with the visitors now 22/0 at the moment and the lead stretched past 300, the decision raises the question of whether resting their bowlers and batting in such conditions was smarter than pushing for an immediate finish
 
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Good decision to bat again.

Bat deep to tire out the opposition, and when the umpire is not looking try to scuff up the pitch for more footmarks for Harmer and Maharaj to bowl in the final innings
:afridi
 
Gambhir destroying Indian cricket like anything. Haven't seen a single Sanghi helping Indians in any profession though. Their PM is prime example !
 
RidiculousMan said:
This is a strange one. If KL is not keeping then why is he still in the side as an opener? surely there are better openers, more deserving than him.
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Most of the team is LOI/T20 based. Imo, for home games India should play a conventional 5/1/1/4 kind of team. My ideal team would be

Esawaran, Jaiswal,
Gill,
Two of Patidar/Gaikwad/Tilak/Nair
Pant/Jurel
Jadeja/Sundar
Shami
Bumrah
Kuldeep
Siraj/spinner

If they are worried about batting depth they can play both Jadeja and Sundar at the expense of the 4th bowler.
 
amvbfm said:
Most of the team is LOI/T20 based. Imo, for home games India should play a conventional 5/1/1/4 kind of team. My ideal team would be

Esawaran, Jaiswal,
Gill,
Two of Patidar/Gaikwad/Tilak/Nair
Pant/Jurel
Jadeja/Sundar
Shami
Bumrah
Kuldeep
Siraj/spinner

If they are worried about batting depth they can play both Jadeja and Sundar at the expense of the 4th bowler.
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Is Shami injured?
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Indian batsmen have taken their T20 success too seriously.

Playing test cricket like T20 too :afridi
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Usually we are playing well (applying well) in overseas tests, perhaps due to the presence of utility players... But at home we are lacking specialists to dominate the opposition... It is not that they are playing like T20, it is because they lack the test skills...
 
Amjid Javed said:
Could be another white wash defeat for India like the NZ series 🤣🤣
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Without any doubt, this is game and series is done! But this victory for South Africa is diluted in front of NZ triumph! Not sure why South Africa settle for just 2 tests with Asian sides... Because even Sri Lanka also whitewashed South Africa (in South Africa) 2-0 but this triumph is not popular... So just 2 test matches is a kind of dilution...
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Indian batsmen have taken their T20 success too seriously.

Playing test cricket like T20 too :afridi
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Sad reality

We might have to just have separate coaches for tests and LoI

Gambir is a clueless midget. Actual bauna

And then just select based on Ranji/ A tours

Not just pack with ARa lol

First thing get rid of Rahul, even jaiswal should be threatened about his position, drop sudarshan from all formats(ipl player what is he doing in the team my god. Averages 39 in ranji too), Nitish only for sena as a bowling option who can bat, not here etc. so many selections.

We had peak shami and umesh running through teams at home.

We need one of gurnoor or Prasidh etc to come in for home conditions. As they have a good record in A tour. Not play siraj. Keep siraj only for sena

Or get Arshdeep for home conditions as well.
 
CrIc_Mystique said:
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Oh, so I was not here when India won the Asia Cup? Then who was typing my posts here, your 'dur ka phupha'? :rabada2

Also, if I talk to you in the same tone, mods will edit or delete my post but they happily let trash cans like you say anything. If I call someone 'bhagoda' or use the word 'tashreef' they will immediately edit it. Let's see what they are going to do now. @BouncerGuy @The Bald Eagle @Cricket Warrior

Aur waise main jis Missu ki baat kar raha tha woh Mesozoic hai, tu khaam kha udta teer apni tashreef mein le leta hai. You are not that relevant. Learn to write first. :misbah :inti
 
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kron said:
Sad reality

We might have to just have separate coaches for tests and LoI

Gambir is a clueless midget. Actual bauna

And then just select based on Ranji/ A tours

Not just pack with ARa lol

First thing get rid of Rahul, even jaiswal should be threatened about his position, drop sudarshan from all formats(ipl player what is he doing in the team my god. Averages 39 in ranji too), Nitish only for sena as a bowling option who can bat, not here etc. so many selections.

We had peak shami and umesh running through teams at home.

We need one of gurnoor or Prasidh etc to come in for home conditions. As they have a good record in A tour. Not play siraj. Keep siraj only for sena

Or get Arshdeep for home conditions as well.
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I don't think Siraj is a bad bowler even for home conditions. His trademark scrambled seam delivery is something that probably has the most usefulness on slower pitches. Infact I would prefer him over Prasidh who has the tendency to go for runs and relies too much on the ball swinging. Arshdeep is someone who could be good if given chances. And he brings something different being a left-armer too.

But the batting line-up is just poorly thought out. The very fact that the No. 3 position is in constant flux sums up India's batting issues. India should back domestic performers rather than players they think have talent. Why is Sai Sudharshan in the side, let alone batting at 3? Getting enamored by someone because they played well in IPL/T20 is Pakistani selector level thinking.

Some people may not like to hear this but Karun Nair deserves to be in the playing XI. As does Sarfaraz. These are guys who have scored runs in domestic cricket consistently. And can probably add more value at home than players like Sudharsan or Paddikal or some all-rounder like Washington Sundar batting at the top of the order.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I don't think Siraj is a bad bowler even for home conditions. His trademark scrambled seam delivery is something that probably has the most usefulness on slower pitches. Infact I would prefer him over Prasidh who has the tendency to go for runs and relies too much on the ball swinging. Arshdeep is someone who could be good if given chances. And he brings something different being a left-armer too.

But the batting line-up is just poorly thought out. The very fact that the No. 3 position is in constant flux sums up India's batting issues. India should back domestic performers rather than players they think have talent. Why is Sai Sudharshan in the side, let alone batting at 3? Getting enamored by someone because they played well in IPL/T20 is Pakistani selector level thinking.

Some people may not like to hear this but Karun Nair deserves to be in the playing XI. As does Sarfaraz. These are guys who have scored runs in domestic cricket consistently. And can probably add more value at home than players like Sudharsan or Paddikal or some all-rounder like Washington Sundar batting at the top of the order.
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Pakistan I think would beat this India in Asian conditions
 
JibranAnsari said:
If india wants to win test matches they should drop bumrah..
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Would agree but first test should have been easily won by India

He did bowl well there. Today he was not good.

Blame the at phattu kl rahul
He dropped 2 catches off bumrah already.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I don't think Siraj is a bad bowler even for home conditions. His trademark scrambled seam delivery is something that probably has the most usefulness on slower pitches. Infact I would prefer him over Prasidh who has the tendency to go for runs and relies too much on the ball swinging. Arshdeep is someone who could be good if given chances. And he brings something different being a left-armer too.

But the batting line-up is just poorly thought out. The very fact that the No. 3 position is in constant flux sums up India's batting issues. India should back domestic performers rather than players they think have talent. Why is Sai Sudharshan in the side, let alone batting at 3? Getting enamored by someone because they played well in IPL/T20 is Pakistani selector level thinking.

Some people may not like to hear this but Karun Nair deserves to be in the playing XI. As does Sarfaraz. These are guys who have scored runs in domestic cricket consistently. And can probably add more value at home than players like Sudharsan or Paddikal or some all-rounder like Washington Sundar batting at the top of the order.
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Not Karun man

But tilak varma
Badoni
Guys like them
Yea sarfraz but he was poor in ranji so dint get picked.
 
Indian fans were acting all arrogant last year.

It is great to see India's Test decline. Hopefully they will continue to decline until they learn humility. :inti
 
JaDed said:
Wow in my lifetime this will be our worst two years at home in domestic cricket.
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I don't think it will get any better because modern day Indian players are mostly T20 hacks.

After Kohli, Rohit, Pujara, and Ashwin retired, Indian decline was only a matter of time.

After Bumrah, Siraj, and Kuldeep retire, they may sink even further in Test. :inti
 
JaDed said:
Probably the Indian coach
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I don't think any other coach would've made a difference. :inti

India without Rohit, Kohli, Pujara, and Ashwin are always likely to struggle. Replacements aren't as good.

Once Bumrah, Siraj, and Kuldeep retire, things are likely to become worse. :dav

P.S., Pant is a hack.
 
sweep_shot said:
I don't think it will get any better because modern day Indian players are mostly T20 hacks.

After Kohli, Rohit, Pujara, and Ashwin retired, Indian decline was only a matter of time.

After Bumrah, Siraj, and Kuldeep retire, they may sink even further in Test. :inti
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Yeah I have been hearing that since Dravid, Sachin , Kumble..

If you think Indian domestics is like Pak or BD domestic cricket that’s upto you
 
JaDed said:
Yeah I have been hearing that since Dravid, Sachin , Kumble..
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You can bury your hands in the sand but that's the fact. :inti

After Dravid-Sachin era, quality players were still coming because T20 wasn't big then.

Compare the new players now with new players from that era.
 
sweep_shot said:
You can bury your hands in the sand but that's the fact. :inti

After Dravid-Sachin era, quality players were still coming because T20 wasn't big then.

Compare the new players now with new players from that era.
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That’s an opinion not a fact.. Facts are if you present Indian domestic cricket stats(facts) and present that there are no Indian cricketers ready for Test team.. (opinion based on those facts)

Right now you have done none but sure i can bury my head in the sand
 
sweep_shot said:
I don't think any other coach would've made a difference. :inti

India without Rohit, Kohli, Pujara, and Ashwin are always likely to struggle. Replacements aren't as good.

Once Bumrah, Siraj, and Kuldeep retire, things are likely to become worse. :dav

P.S., Pant is a hack.
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Well this was the strategy of the former coach yesterday

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You can say that Gambhir probably executed this strategy but in a morw aggressive way.
 
Would SA be able to beat India 2-0 or 1-0 if not for test series against Pak, which was resurrected for them due to Rabadda's valiant batting. India did not even get to bowl or bat against him!
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Well this was the strategy of the former coach yesterday

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You can say that Gambhir probably executed this strategy but in a morw aggressive way.
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I don't think it has anything to do with coach. Coach doesn't play in the middle.

This Indian team simply don't have the same quality as previous Indian team (that had Rohit, Kohli, Pujara etc.).

Quality is lacking currently.

They may decline further once Siraj, Kuldeep, and Bumrah retire.
 
Indian limited over team vs test team 2 side of coin one is reaching new heights while other is hitting new low .If India fail to win this test India need to find new head coach for test team
 
kron said:
Not Karun man

But tilak varma
Badoni
Guys like them
Yea sarfraz but he was poor in ranji so dint get picked.
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I know Nair is not a long-term option but it feels strange to me that he was dropped completely after a few failures but Sudharsan was persisted with eventhough the former has worked much harder in domestic cricket
 
pakfan54588 said:
Indian limited over team vs test team 2 side of coin one is reaching new heights while other is hitting new low .If India fail to win this test India need to find new head coach for test team
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India should go for split coaches for white-ball and red-ball. Why was Gambhir made head-coach in test any way? All the success he has achieved as coach has been coaching T20 franchises in IPL.
 
CricVet said:
Would SA be able to beat India 2-0 or 1-0 if not for test series against Pak, which was resurrected for them due to Rabadda's valiant batting. India did not even get to bowl or bat against him!
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TBH South African batting effort in that test is not too dissimilar to their effort in this test. In that test it was Rabada, here it was Jansen. Muthusamy stepped up in both matches too. Pitch was also relatively flat for first few days and then started offering turn as the match progressed, which will happen here too. South Africa's lower order has far more depth than the lower orders of other teams. They can all bat.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
TBH South African batting effort in that test is not too dissimilar to their effort in this test. In that test it was Rabada, here it was Jansen. Muthusamy stepped up in both matches too. Pitch was also relatively flat for first few days and then started offering turn as the match progressed, which will happen here too. South Africa's lower order has far more depth than the lower orders of other teams. They can all bat.
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Rebada set the precedence in my opinion.

You are correct though. SA would not be able to exert as much pressure without Jansen’s innings. However, Rebada as an alrounder has pulled out his test team multiple times out of trouble, and the team was in far bigger hole in Pak.
 
CricVet said:
Rebada set the precedence in my opinion.

You are correct though. SA would not be able to exert as much pressure without Jansen’s innings. However, Rebada as an alrounder has pulled out his test team multiple times out of trouble, and the team was in far bigger hole in Pak.
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Feel like it almost always happens against us. In the Centurion test aswell he was the man standing between us and a historic test win
 
CricVet said:
Rebada set the precedence in my opinion.

You are correct though. SA would not be able to exert as much pressure without Jansen’s innings. However, Rebada as an alrounder has pulled out his test team multiple times out of trouble, and the team was in far bigger hole in Pak.
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Correct.

Jansen is not taking Rabada's spot. Jansen and Rabada both play usually.

Rabada can bat too. He is no Chris Martin. He can add useful runs.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
@Rajdeep Guys don't hurry or jump to conclusions.. Because when Raj speaks atleast Gauti listens 😉

R

Post in thread 'India v South Africa 2025 | 2nd Test | Guwahati | November 22 to 26 | Pre-Match Discussion'

Easy win coming for Bharat. Any spoiler on my prediction? @The Bald Eagle

:kp
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Exactly game is not over until its over. We have seen weird result like India beating Bangladesh in Kanpur test in 1.5 days etc.

Who knows, we may chase down whatever target Muthuswamy's SA set.

:kp
 
Marco Jansen shared following thoughts in post day presser today:

* "I've always struggled bowling in India, whether it was white ball or red ball."

* "And I'm still jealous of people that get the ball to squat and nip hack. Yesterday was a perfect example. (I bowled a ball) that went over off stump because I'm so tall. For a different bowler, like KG [Kagiso Rabada) that's hitting top of off, so I've always been jealous of those people where they're a bit shorter than me."

* "The spinners did a great job. and then I was lucky to capitalise."

* "When I got my first wicket with the bouncer, we said 'okay cool, let's see how long this is going to work. Nitish Kumar Reddy. I've played with him at Sunrisers and I've seen him hit the short ball 50 rows back in IPL so I don't think it's a vulnerability thing. I Just think it's the game situation."

* "you have to absorb pressure and then you have to find a way and then you have to put pressure back on."

* "I've never been in the 90s before in first-class cricket, never mind hitting Test cricket. i was nervous when I had 20. Definitely nervous. And I was nervous In my 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s. I was nervous the whole way through just breathe that helped massively"

* "Yesterday, when we went to the hotel, I tried to switch off and blow some steam off. I called the family my brother, sister, mum, dad, you name it-just to get all those feelings and everything out. Whether KG plays or doesn't play, I always try to think of myself as someone who can also break the game open for the team."

* "I just try to give my best every time I get the opportunity and try to put the team in a winning position. Not having KG there definitely adds a bit of responsibility and pressure on myself and Wessie [Wiaan Mulder]. Nonetheless, we know we have the bowlers, we know we have the players in the squad to help the team."

* "It is a good wicket. There is a bit of pace, there is a bit of bounce and now, the ball is starting to turn a little bit as well. Some of the balls are stopping as well from the spin, so I think the game is going to go more to the spinners side of things."

* "I think the pace and the bounce will stay there, but for seamers, in particular. I think we are going to have to make the new ball count. It is still a good wicket. If you bowl well, you will get wickets. If you bat well, you will score runs. You are just going to have to figure out your way of doing it."
 
SA should aim to bat 45-50 overs get 500 lead and then go for 2-0 win
 
SA should play normally for 1st hour , get to 360 lead , then go bang-bang for next 20 overs & declare at 475-480 so that they get to bowl min 40 overs on day 4 !
ps - terrible selection by SA going with just 3 bowlers in the Test , needless to comment about GG 🫏 G selection & Reddy !!!
 
Human786 said:
SA should play normally for 1st hour , get to 360 lead , then go bang-bang for next 20 overs & declare at 475-480 so that they get to bowl min 40 overs on day 4 !
ps - terrible selection by SA going with just 3 bowlers in the Test , needless to comment about GG 🫏 G selection & Reddy !!!
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I don't understand this fixation with Mulder. Should have dropped Mulder and retained Bosch. He is a better bowler and better batsman.
 
It's rare to see a scorecard like this in test cricket. Everyone made a meaningful contribution with the bat, except for Mulder. Even Harmer who played 17 balls for his 5 runs spent 25 valuable minutes at the crease and forged an important 31 run partnership with Jansen. The partnerships for the last two wickets alone were worth 58, coming off a 97-run partnership between Jansen and Muthusamy for the ninth wicket.

Once your team clicks like that top to bottom, with nearly everyone making a contribution, you are pretty much in the box seat.

But it very rarely happens like this.

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For the bowling side, there are few things as soul-crushing as the opposition scoring 161 for the last three wickets
 
amvbfm said:
Batting again suggests South Africa want to play it safe. No way the Indian team would have come back from this. This at least gives India some chance to draw the game.
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They are in a way playing with Just one pace bowler and he bowled about 20 overs. So it was the correct decision to bat again.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I know Nair is not a long-term option but it feels strange to me that he was dropped completely after a few failures but Sudharsan was persisted with eventhough the former has worked much harder in domestic cricket
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IPL decides who gets picked under midget gambo
 
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