India versus Pakistan ODIs in numbers - an Indian Point of View

[leonidas_alexandar]

I thought I would offer an Indian fan's perspective on INDIA vs PAKISTAN ODI record breakdown decade-wise.


1981-1990

PLAYED 31

WON 09

LOST 20

NR 02.


While I personally did not watch a single Ind v Pak match - I understand that this was the decade that laid the foundation of Pakistan's ODI dominance over India that lasted 2 decades. Out of the 31 matches played India did not even score a double digit in wins (I am assuming Javed Miandad's six in Sharjah had a lot to do with this in terms of its after effects).

India's biggest wins - winning the final of Benson & Hedges World Championship of Cricket at the MCG - beating Pakistan in the final.

Famously known for Ravi Shastri winning an Audi.


1991-2000.

PLAYED 51

WON 19

LOST 30

NR 02.

Pakistan continued its stranglehold over India - but at least as Indian fans - there were some memorable victories that we could look back on fondly. This was also the decade that I actually started watching India v Pakistan ODI's.

The most famous Indian win of the decade was of course undoubtedly the India v Pakistan World Cup quarter final of the 1996 World Cup in Bangalore. Ajay Jadeja's claim to fame by attacking Waqar Younis in the final overs.

Other important victories were - India beating Pakistan 4-1 in the Sahara Cup, Toronto in & India beating Pakistan 3-1 in the Silver Jubilee Independence Cup, Bangladesh where India won the best of three - last final match concluded in darkness and football lights and along the way India created history by chasing the highest ODI score at the time.

The World Cup victories in 1992 and 1999 (during the Kargil War backdrop) were memorable because they both happened on a global stage.

Overall really another forgettable decade for India as Pakistan really hammered India into submission more often than not.


2001-2010

PLAYED 34

WON 17

LOST 17

This decade was in my book - the most significant as far as India's point of view is concerned. This was the decade when the fear of Pakistan turned into expectation of always being ready for a scrap with Pakistan - which was humungous given Pakistan's domination of two decades over India. This was also the decade where India drew parity with Pakistan -even statistically as both won 17 games each after playing 34 games in the decade.

Significant Indian wins - while there were several - it all began with the very first match of the decade - a proverbial bang at Centurion 2003 World Cup where Sachin Tendulkar etched his most famous half century of his career by launching into the much vaunted Pakistani attack.

Other significant victories include India's first ever ODI series win over Pakistan in Pakistan 3-2 in 2003/2004 series and the follow up visit to Pakistan which India dominated with a 4-1 series win in 2005/2006.

India ended the decade with another nail biter win over Pakistan where Harbhajan Singh launched Mohammed Amir into the orbit for a famous Asia Cup win in 2010.


2011-2020


PLAYED 13

WON 09

LOST 04


This decade of course cemented India's superiority over Pakistan.

And if you are an Indian fan you would have wanted more matches with Pakistan than the paltry 13 games that they played in the whole decade - to try and rectify the lopsided head to head record which is still very much in favor of Pakistan.

Significant wins of course include the World Cup Semi Final at Mohali in 2011, 2015, 2019 World Cup game wins and the 2013 Champions Trophy defeat of Pakistan - the 2 Asian Cup victories in 2018. I guess since we only played 13 times every victory looks significant.


Pakistani fans - can you provide your own breakdown of important Pakistani wins over India decade wise which I am sure you will have a lot to choose from given the fact that Pakistan still holds a healthy 73-55 head to head record advantage.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Mohali shouldn’t be counted as a win.

 

[Swashbuckler]

If we break it down into phases India led the H2H till that famous Sharjah 1986 match, then Pakistan dominated big time for the next 6-7 years, after that they still had the edge but not as dominant till the year 2000. They built a huge lead in this period and post Centurion 2003 India fought back, that decade India couldn't reverse the record but after 2010 India started dominating albeit very few matches played, only 14 with India leading 10-4. Least we have played each other, in 80s we played 30 matches, 45 in 90s and 40 in 2000s.

 

[Savak]

Actually the record from 2000 to 2020 is not as bad as I feared for Pakistan, yes India is the dominant superior side but with Pakistan's talent, resource stocks at an all time low, war on terror, isolation and given India had way too many superior players, things going for them ie massive broadcast deals, IPL its not like the domination the Australians enjoyed over the English from 1989 to 2005 where eventually the Aussies got so bored of the ashes and began to consider other missions ie The tour of India as the ultimate conquest

 

[Pakpak]

A good write up, wish more good Indian posters posted like this than the usual trolls. I feel India by not playing Pakistan really let go off a big chance to even the stats. This was India's best decade especially when it comes to ODIs and our worst ever in our history. By not playing us India missed a big chance.

For me the memorable wins this decade are the Aane doh tour, where our team won to everyone's surprise. About the only time Jamshed was useful. The CT win was amazing as a fan but also a reflection of our team blowing hot and cold as we failed to build on it. I still think we aren't losing because of a mental block in Asia cups and so on, more because Indian team is way better. In the WCs too we could have done better but in those matches we clearly had a mental block. The Sachin dropping of six times was unforgiveable in 2011, that was a game we should have won. 2003 too Razzaq dropped a dollie off Sachin. But I suppose this is how thin margins are, Fakhar got a second chance too in the final so it goes both ways.

As a Pakistan fan I miss our games, quite a bit. But a part of me is glad as in ODIs for sure we'd gotten hammered if we played more often this decade.

For the previous decades I remembered playing India was no worry for me as a fan as I knew we'd win more often than not.

 

[leonidas_alexandar]

Actually the record from 2000 to 2020 is not as bad as I feared for Pakistan, yes India is the dominant superior side but with Pakistan's talent, resource stocks at an all time low, war on terror, isolation and given India had way too many superior players, things going for them ie massive broadcast deals, IPL its not like the domination the Australians enjoyed over the English from 1989 to 2005 where eventually the Aussies got so bored of the ashes and began to consider other missions ie The tour of India as the ultimate conquest

You are right about the record being not as bad for Pakistan between 2000-2020 but I think the fact that we only played 13 games in the latest decade 2011-2020 may have contributed to it. What do you think the record would have been let's say if Ind and Pak played about 30 games in this decade?

 

[Yk313]

You are right about the record being not as bad for Pakistan between 2000-2020 but I think the fact that we only played 13 games in the latest decade 2011-2020 may have contributed to it. What do you think the record would have been let's say if Ind and Pak played about 30 games in this decade?

Depends what conclusion you want your numbers to show.

Break 2011-2020 down from 2015/16 onwards and that is truly where IND has left PAK behind.

What would have happened if IND/PAK had played 30 games from 11-20? Pretty pointless to speculate. Can slice and dice the data and use whatever qualitative arguments to vindicate any POV.

The simplest extrapolation in mathematical terms can be to scale the W/L record for 2011-20 to a total of 30 games. If you want to add one more tier to it, do so by saying games would have been spread across the 10 years (contestable assumption) and break the the actual percentages into 2011-15 and 2016-20. Apply the respective W/L percentages.

Otherwise, calculated what proportion of games took place in 2011-15 and 2016-20. Then apply W/L percentage for each segment to it.

You/others can choose whatever intervals help their arguments best and “extrapolate” accordingly.

All of these are pretty much pointless with the many uncertainties of life. Most people know the sides now would not expect PAK to even be competitive. Put it like this, I do not know if Misbah’s PAK were the overwhelming favourites prior to the tour in 2013. Yet most people actually watched would say IND did well to win 2 games on that tour.

Meh.

 

[leonidas_alexandar]

Depends what conclusion you want your numbers to show.

Break 2011-2020 down from 2015/16 onwards and that is truly where IND has left PAK behind.

What would have happened if IND/PAK had played 30 games from 11-20? Pretty pointless to speculate. Can slice and dice the data and use whatever qualitative arguments to vindicate any POV.

The simplest extrapolation in mathematical terms can be to scale the W/L record for 2011-20 to a total of 30 games. If you want to add one more tier to it, do so by saying games would have been spread across the 10 years (contestable assumption) and break the the actual percentages into 2011-15 and 2016-20. Apply the respective W/L percentages.

Otherwise, calculated what proportion of games took place in 2011-15 and 2016-20. Then apply W/L percentage for each segment to it.

You/others can choose whatever intervals help their arguments best and “extrapolate” accordingly.

All of these are pretty much pointless with the many uncertainties of life. Most people know the sides now would not expect PAK to even be competitive. Put it like this, I do not know if Misbah’s PAK were the overwhelming favourites prior to the tour in 2013. Yet most people actually watched would say IND did well to win 2 games on that tour.

Meh.

Actually I agree with you - I guess it's easy and fanciful to speculate but that is exactly what it is - speculation.

Bottom line is hopefully India and Pakistan get to play more matches.

 

[junoon]

I agree that india has been a much better ODI team than Pakistan since 2006. But our batsmen who have otherwise been mediocre tend to raise their game when they are playing against India since 2003.

Just take a look at the ODI records against india of players like M Hafeez, S Malik, Nasir jamshed, salman butt. Even Fakhar zaman is unlikely to play too many innings like the one in CT 2017 final

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

I feel India by not playing Pakistan really let go off a big chance to even the stats. This was India's best decade especially when it comes to ODIs and our worst ever in our history. By not playing us India missed a big chance.

Do you see the gap lessening in decades to come?

 

[ethan hunt]

Pakistan actually have been a weaket odi team than that record against India between 2000-2020 would suggest. They have actually punched above their weight if anything. A lot of people talk about pressure but the team strength matters.

 

[Savak]

You are right about the record being not as bad for Pakistan between 2000-2020 but I think the fact that we only played 13 games in the latest decade 2011-2020 may have contributed to it. What do you think the record would have been let's say if Ind and Pak played about 30 games in this decade?

Its open for speculation. I think one of the major reasons our players especially in the last 10-15 years have failed to handle the pressure of an Indo-Pakistan match especially when its on the big stage i.e. ODI WC, T-20 WC, Asia Cup, CT is because of how infrequently the two sides play against each other. Indian players in comparison play against the Big 5, IPL every year around and they are much more battle hardened.

I would have expected India to better the overall head to head record against Pakistan. But i also believe Pakistan if it was frequently playing against India every year would have benefited where they would have gotten used to the Indian batting line up, bowling line up, dealing with the nerves, pressure of an Indo Pakistan contest. India were the hot favorites in the 2012-13 series in their conditions but an inexperienced Pakistan side pulled a surprise. Pakistan because of being in red hot form on a roll in the 2017 CT final pulled a surprise.

As much as cricket is a skills, fitness based game, it is also a confidence/mind game as well where sometimes a weaker opponent when they are on a roll full of self belief can actually beat a superior opponent on the day. For e.g. the Buster Douglas-Mike Tyson fight of 1990.