India vs Pakistan in Tests : Who is currently better, considering all possible venues?

[Mamoon]

India would have beaten Pakistan in 2016 as well.

In 2020, we should pat ourselves on the back if we manage to take the game to day 5.

 

[Hasan123]

Pakistan are Still better than India in NZ. How about you do your research first

Why don't you talk about Pakistan record in Australia? Oh because it doesn't suit your narrative.

Cricket is not only played in New Zealand.

Also we haven't gotten to 300 once in NZ. So it's not anything special we are doing in New Zealand. But obviously the standards are so low with our fans that scoring over 200 is an achievement.

Also have we bowled better than India in New Zealand?

 

[Hasan123]

India would have beaten Pakistan in 2016 as well.

In 2020, we should pat ourselves on the back if we manage to take the game to day 5.

OP thinks getting 200 3 times in a row is a good batting performance lol.

 

[MHN1293]

India would have beaten Pakistan in 2016 as well.

In 2020, we should pat ourselves on the back if we manage to take the game to day 5.

In India Austrailia and south africa yes.

 

[King_Kohli]

You can tell why I go after the guy who bumps threads whilst thinking from his backside....

Pakistan have batted better Than India has in NZ....is there any doubt about this?

Don't change the subject.

 

[Rana]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...land-vs-india-2nd-test-1187686/full-scorecard

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...land-vs-india-1st-test-1187685/full-scorecard

India's two Tests v NZ this year in comparison to Pakistan's ongoing Test

 

[Hasan123]

Don't change the subject.

Ask him who has batted and bowled better in Australia out of Pakistan and India?

 

[Rana]

Why don't you talk about Pakistan record in Australia? Oh because it doesn't suit your narrative.

Cricket is not only played in New Zealand.

Also we haven't gotten to 300 once in NZ. So it's not anything special we are doing in New Zealand. But obviously the standards are so low with our fans that scoring over 200 is an achievement.

Also have we bowled better than India in New Zealand?

Where do i not talk abut Pak's record in Australia? I admit its horrendous and it needs to improve. What else do you want me to do? Make it my signature?

 

[Rajdeep]

As I said before, if bilateral series happens:

T20 - Pak starts favourite.
ODIs - Even stevens.
Tests - India starts favourites.

 

[Hasan123]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...land-vs-india-2nd-test-1187686/full-scorecard

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...land-vs-india-1st-test-1187685/full-scorecard

India's two Tests v NZ this year in comparison to Pakistan's ongoing Test

Post the scorecards of Pakistan tour to Australia last year and India's last few games in Australia.

Is cricket only played in New Zealand now?

 

[Rana]

Don't change the subject.

I am not. Its relevant to the topic

 

[Rana]

Post the scorecards of Pakistan tour to Australia last year and India's last few games in Australia.

Is cricket only played in New Zealand now?

Hassan your trying to hard. There is nothing for me to prove to you about Pakistan's poor performance in Australia. I dont deny it at all

 

[Hasan123]

Where do i not talk abut Pak's record in Australia? I admit its horrendous and it needs to improve. What else do you want me to do? Make it my signature?

Admit India are a better team than Pakistan in tests. Don't sugarcoat around things.

 

[Rana]

Admit India are a better team than Pakistan in tests. Don't sugarcoat around things.

Ill do that once you admit you are an Indian posing as a Pakistani

 

[Mamoon]

In India Austrailia and south africa yes.

Everywhere. Pakistan hasn’t been a better Test team than India since 2006-07.

 

[Local.Dada]

As I said before, if bilateral series happens:

T20 - Pak starts favourite.
ODIs - Even stevens.
Tests - India starts favourites.

T20 is kind of a lottery anyways so May be but odis seriously?

I think that CT shock has given us some kind of a phobia.it was an exception to the rule not the norm.

The game just before CT including the league game, WC 2015, 2 Asia cup games (2018) and the WC 2019 games are the norm. Even the Asia cup T20 and WT20 games were one sided in favor of India.

In a way I am happy that CT upset happened as it keeps the hopes or nerves intact on both sides to keep what is remaining of the great rivalry alive.

Not saying India will never lose a odi game to Pak ever again I mean I cannot guarantee that against Bangladesh,SL or WI either but India and Pak odi strength is not even in the same league.

Tests you got it right

 

[Mesozoic]

India. Anywhere. Everywhere.

Anyone saying otherwise is either delusional, sour or over patriotic....or all of the above.

 

[MHN1293]

Everywhere. Pakistan hasn’t been a better Test team than India since 2006-07.

England , newzealand ? Up until 2016 pakistan have been better teams there.

 

[Local.Dada]

India. Anywhere. Everywhere.

Anyone saying otherwise is either delusional, sour or over patriotic....or all of the above.

To be honest Bangladesh has a better chance of beating India in a odi game than Pakistan

Pakistan I would say is like the current day WI, one of the hacks has a great day or a mercurial
spell they will beat any Indian team. It has happened before but on a normal day, Indian B side can deliver them an epic drubbing 9/10 times.I mean drubbing not even a close contest.

Srilanka and Afghanistan a tier lower obviously but Afghan is slowly entering the Pak/WI zone.

 

[Mamoon]

England , newzealand ? Up until 2016 pakistan have been better teams there.

It doesn’t matter. In a direct series, India would have beaten Pakistan because they had similar strengths but at a better level.

Unlike England and New Zealand, India would have beaten Pakistan at their own game. That is the problem.

In general, it easier for Pakistan to beat England or New Zealand in any format than it is to beat India, because our strengths are negated against them.

 

[Hasan123]

Ill do that once you admit you are an Indian posing as a Pakistani

So you want me to make up lies? Astugfirullah.

I'm on record as saying I want Australia to beat India and I think Australia will win the series yet I am an Indian fan?

The fact your resorting to this shows you cannot admit you were wrong here.

 

[choudhary6964]

It's not like India is winning overseas they are still the HTBs they always lose overseas apart from that fluke series win against weak Australia they have lost every series since 2011 and their record is something like 25 losses 6-7 wins and few draws and that is not stuff of great team.

 

[MHN1293]

To be honest Bangladesh has a better chance of beating India in a odi game than Pakistan

Pakistan I would say is like the current day WI, one of the hacks has a great day or a mercurial
spell they will beat any Indian team. It has happened before but on a normal day, Indian B side can deliver them an epic drubbing 9/10 times.I mean drubbing not even a close contest.

Srilanka and Afghanistan a tier lower obviously but Afghan is slowly entering the Pak/WI zone.

Both bangladesh and Afg have good spinners , that is why they managed to produce upsets in 2018 in uae. In sena countries pak will easily beat those teams. The current rankings and the world cup prove pak as the 5th best side. They even ran close to beating sa at home in the odi series when they had amla and steyn.

 

[Rana]

So you want me to make up lies? Astugfirullah.

I'm on record as saying I want Australia to beat India and I think Australia will win the series yet I am an Indian fan?

The fact your resorting to this shows you cannot admit you were wrong here.

What closure will you get by me admitting India is a better Test side than Pakistan? Based on what? Countless home wins and decent away performances in Australia? Am I Javed Miandad?

 

[Hasan123]

People like [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] are so annoying. Admitting India are better than Pakistan and praising Indian players and their achievements makes you an Indian fan. It's so sad . Posters on here want you to lie and say things you don't believe rather than say your honest opinion.

 

[Hasan123]

What closure will you get by me admitting India is a better Test side than Pakistan? Based on what? Countless home wins and decent away performances in Australia? Am I Javed Miandad?

Just want you to admit you were wrong. But obviously you will never do that and have to resort calling me an Indian fan because I don't agree with you.

 

[Local.Dada]

Both bangladesh and Afg have good spinners , that is why they managed to produce upsets in 2018 in uae. In sena countries pak will easily beat those teams. The current rankings and the world cup prove pak as the 5th best side. They even ran close to beating sa at home in the odi series when they had amla and steyn.

Bangladesh also has better full strength batting. Tamim,Shakib,Mushfiqur,Mahamadullah are a much better batting line up especially in Asia than the Pakistan batting.

I don’t think Babar has the same impact as at least Shakib and Mushfiqur.

Afghanistan need a couple of batsmen and fast bowlers to regularly start beating teams but they have these unorthodox cricketers that can upset teams on their day much like a lesser version of WI or Pak. Bangladesh is more consistent in ODis at least.

 

[Hyperion66]

Pak tail would put up some valiant effort here and there but we will win comfortably. Probably won't have to bat more than 8 times in a 5 match series. It would be actually blessing in disguise for Pak as we will end some careers.

 

[Rana]

People like [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] are so annoying. Admitting India are better than Pakistan and praising Indian players and their achievements makes you an Indian fan. It's so sad . Posters on here want you to lie and say things you don't believe rather than say your honest opinion.

People like you remind me of the quote:

"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned"

 

[Sir Alex]

It's not like India is winning overseas they are still the HTBs they always lose overseas apart from that fluke series win against weak Australia they have lost every series since 2011 and their record is something like 25 losses 6-7 wins and few draws and that is not stuff of great team.

Since 2005, India have won five times more tests in Aus as Aus have won in India. And India is the only team to have a positive win loss record vs Aus since 1996.

Every team are more or less HTBs. India and to some extent SA (till 2017-18) are the only teams who have been somewhat exception to this rule. To say Aus was a weak side would be funny when more or less same personnel humiliated Pakistan in less than a year later. And this series, Aus are again struggling to cross 200. Think about it.

 

[Rana]

Just want you to admit you were wrong. But obviously you will never do that and have to resort calling me an Indian fan because I don't agree with you.

wrong about what though? I have not expressed any facts, damning verdicts. Its an opinion based forum. I dont get paid to write things that become the narrative for the masses.

Even then, what is your proof that India will beat Pakistan in New Zealand and England?

 

[Hasan123]

People like you remind me of the quote:

"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned"

And your a delusional fan who can't admit when he is wrong . I will tell you that in my words rather than using someone elses words.

 

[Rana]

And your a delusional fan who can't admit when he is wrong . I will tell you that in my words rather than using someone elses words.

If love for my team is delusion

Hell yea I am delusional.

 

[Rajdeep]

So many India - Pakistan threads are due to the fact that we have not played test cricket for ages and fans are desperate for it. Imagine Shaheen Afridi vs Subhman Gill or Jasprit Bumrah vs Babar Azam etc. in red ball cricket. What spectacle it would have been

 

[Devadwal]

Seriously how can people Even think Pakistan is better than india ?? India is miles ahead in any formet at any places .

 

[Hasan123]

If love for my team is delusion

Hell yea I am delusional.

We all love our team but we shouldn't act like everything is perfect and be scared to be critical when something isn't right.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Nice thread. On topic , I'd back Pakistan to be competitive in places like England and New Zealand but India will beat Pakistan just about everywhere else. In India total domination with innings wins. Pakistans bowling attack will be bullied into submission.

 

[choudhary6964]

Since 2005, India have won five times more tests in Aus as Aus have won in India. And India is the only team to have a positive win loss record vs Aus since 1996.

Every team are more or less HTBs. India and to some extent SA (till 2017-18) are the only teams who have been somewhat exception to this rule. To say Aus was a weak side would be funny when more or less same personnel humiliated Pakistan in less than a year later. And this series, Aus are again struggling to cross 200. Think about it.

Cricket is not played in Australia only. There are other countries as well and it's not like India won series there before that fluke 2018 series they were beaten in 2012 and 2014.India will always remain the HTBs.They can't win in these countries.india's record speaks for itself.

 

[Rana]

We all love our team but we shouldn't act like everything is perfect and be scared to be critical when something isn't right.

Thanks captain obvious.

Anything else? or is that enough preaching done from you today?

 

[Slog]

When the thread was made it was genuinely a discussion. But now pakistan will be lucky to win a test at any venue.

Lol imagine the mincemeat Kohli, Pujara and ceo will make of Naseem

 

[hitthestump]

Seriously how can people Even think Pakistan is better than india ?? India is miles ahead in any formet at any places .

This thread was created in 2016 when we still had Younis Khan, Yasir Khan wasn't a complete joke and Amir looked like finding some form.

This thread aged very badly in just 4 years.

 

[Hasan123]

Thanks captain obvious.

Anything else? or is that enough preaching done from you today?

There is no point in preaching to you. If this is how you are going to act, don't quote me in the future and don't make your pots shots that you do. I warned you to stop quoting me but you didn't listen . Now you can't take the heat back.

 

[Sir Alex]

Cricket is not played in Australia only. There are other countries as well and it's not like India won series there before that fluke 2018 series they were beaten in 2012 and 2014.India will always remain the HTBs.They can't win in these countries.india's record speaks for itself.

I understand individual test wins can be fluke, some bowler could have an amazing day for example.

But to win a test series in Australia, requires ultimate skill and application. India did it in 2018, and in this series till now, have only even bettered it bowling wise. And it includes Smith who has had no answers.

 

[Mesozoic]

It's not like India is winning overseas they are still the HTBs they always lose overseas apart from that fluke series win against weak Australia they have lost every series since 2011 and their record is something like 25 losses 6-7 wins and few draws and that is not stuff of great team.

Don't really need a "great" team to beat the current Pak side that loses to Ajaz and Somerville and are languishing barely above West Indies in the test rankings.

The fact that South Africa and Sri Lanka , who are going through their worste ever phases are still better sides than Pakistan says everything we need to know .

 

[Mesozoic]

So many India - Pakistan threads are due to the fact that we have not played test cricket for ages and fans are desperate for it. Imagine Shaheen Afridi vs Subhman Gill or Jasprit Bumrah vs Babar Azam etc. in red ball cricket. What spectacle it would have been

Meh.

Games will be over by tea on day 4. Nothing spectacular will happen.

 

[Hasan123]

Cricket is not played in Australia only. There are other countries as well and it's not like India won series there before that fluke 2018 series they were beaten in 2012 and 2014.India will always remain the HTBs.They can't win in these countries.india's record speaks for itself.

If it so easy to win in Australia why can't Pakistan do that or even draw a game in Australia?

Pakistan have won 0 out of there last 27 games in SENA.

 

[Hyperion66]

When the thread was made it was genuinely a discussion. But now pakistan will be lucky to win a test at any venue.

Lol imagine the mincemeat Kohli, Pujara and ceo will make of Naseem

In a series against India the best thing Pak could do is not play Abbas, Yasir and Naseem. Play some relatively unknown commodities, mystery spinners with Shaheen and hope the novelty factor pays off.

 

[Rana]

There is no point in preaching to you. If this is how you are going to act, don't quote me in the future and don't make your pots shots that you do. I warned you to stop quoting me but you didn't listen . Now you can't take the heat back.

LOL keep bringing it pal. I welcome you

Remember one more thing whilst your at it.

"The bump will come at a time and place of our choosing. Wait for that bump"

 

[Mesozoic]

This thread was created in 2016 when we still had Younis Khan, Yasir Khan wasn't a complete joke and Amir looked like finding some form.

This thread aged very badly in just 4 years.

Think Pak were a slightly better Test side than India back then. MisYou, Peak Azhar, Shafiq, Yasir and an impressive pace attack....The current Indian team only began gelling in that 2016-17 marathon home season. Before that it wasn't that great.

Would have been a series for the ages had we played back then.

 

[MHN1293]

Bangladesh also has better full strength batting. Tamim,Shakib,Mushfiqur,Mahamadullah are a much better batting line up especially in Asia than the Pakistan batting.

I don’t think Babar has the same impact as at least Shakib and Mushfiqur.

Afghanistan need a couple of batsmen and fast bowlers to regularly start beating teams but they have these unorthodox cricketers that can upset teams on their day much like a lesser version of WI or Pak. Bangladesh is more consistent in ODis at least.

All of the players you mentioned are minnow bashers averaging less than 35 against top teams. Lets not talk about their impact with the bat , all striking at lest than 80. Imam himself averages 40+ and has a better strike rate than all of them. Other than mustafizur name a good bangladeshi bowler.

 

[Hyperion66]

Meh.

Games will be over by tea on day 4. Nothing spectacular will happen.

Day 4 is probably stretching it a bit too far, if the pitch offers some support for pacers/spinners it would be over by 3 days.

 

[Hasan123]

LOL keep bringing it pal. I welcome you

Remember one more thing whilst your at it.

"The bump will come at a time and place of our choosing. Wait for that bump"

I don't have anything to worry about because I haven't made as embarrassing statements as you and if I am wrong I will admit it unlike you.

 

[Hyperion66]

Think Pak were a slightly better Test side than India back then. MisYou, Peak Azhar, Shafiq, Yasir and an impressive pace attack....The current Indian team only began gelling in that 2016-17 marathon home season. Before that it wasn't that great.

Would have been a series for the ages had we played back then.

I am sorry, what?

 

[Rana]

I don't have anything to worry about because I haven't made as embarrassing statements as you and if I am wrong I will admit it unlike you.

is that why you cry as if you have been violated whenever I bump your most epic thread?

 

[MHN1293]

Don't really need a "great" team to beat the current Pak side that loses to Ajaz and Somerville and are languishing barely above West Indies in the test rankings.

The fact that South Africa and Sri Lanka , who are going through their worste ever phases are still better sides than Pakistan says everything we need to know .

So the current pakistani phase with 19 year olds being rushed in due to untimely retirements, lack of home cricket for 10 years isnt one of their worst.

 

[Mesozoic]

Admit India are a better team than Pakistan in tests.

Dude it ain't that easy let's be fair here.

It's the equivalent of Kim Jong Un admitting South Korea is better than his Korea? Do you see that happening? There you have your answer....

 

[Mamoon]

People like [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] are so annoying. Admitting India are better than Pakistan and praising Indian players and their achievements makes you an Indian fan. It's so sad . Posters on here want you to lie and say things you don't believe rather than say your honest opinion.

Fans who are out of touch with reality, like our friend Rana, need a coping mechanism.

Without a coping mechanism, they will succumb to depression. Here, the coping mechanism is “Pakistan batted better than India in New Zealand” trophy.

Tomorrow, they will find another coping mechanism just so that they can avoid admitting that Indian cricket has left Pakistan cricket in its dust.

One can hope that one day, such people will develop the maturity and intelligence to realize that it is acceptable for a Pakistani fans to admit that India is a vastly superior team.

For now, these people are like schoolchildren arguing that their lunch box is better than their friend’s just because it is their’s.

 

[Rana]

Dude it ain't that easy let's be fair here.

It's the equivalent of Kim Jong Un admitting South Korea is better than his Korea? Do you see that happening? There you have your answer....

Or Modi Admitting Pakistan as a better Airforce than India's

 

[Hasan123]

is that why you cry as if you have been violated whenever I bump your most epic thread?

You just bump that big 3 quality thread.

"Voilated ", look how your talking like some 15 year old kid. Proving people wrong on PP means everything to you. So sad .

Crying lol? Most of the time I ignore you. How is that crying?

 

[Revolution]

Nice thread.
Pakistan will beat India in all formats.
Pakistan Test performances increased 10x times from last year.

 

[Mesozoic]

So the current pakistani phase with 19 year olds being rushed in due to untimely retirements, lack of home cricket for 10 years isnt one of their worst.

Ofcourse it is Pakistan's worst phase too. That was actually my point. Looks like you misunderstood my post.

 

[szrana007]

If it so easy to win in Australia why can't Pakistan do that or even draw a game in Australia?

Pakistan have won 0 out of there last 27 games in SENA.

You sure? because I seem to recall 4 test wins in England in the last decade. SENA includes England also.

 

[Hasan123]

Fans who are out of touch with reality, like our friend Rana, need a coping mechanism.

Without a coping mechanism, they will succumb to depression. Here, the coping mechanism is “Pakistan batted better than India in New Zealand” trophy.

Tomorrow, they will find another coping mechanism just so that they can avoid admitting that Indian cricket has left Pakistan cricket in its dust.

One can hope that one day, such people will develop the maturity and intelligence to realize that it is acceptable for a Pakistani fans to admit that India is a vastly superior team.

For now, these people are like schoolchildren arguing that their lunch box is better than their friend’s just because it is their’s.

So sad he couldn't even admit India are better than Pakistan. For some reason it makes you less of a fan even though it is the truth.

He is child. Look at him using "volition and wasteman ". ) )

 

[Rana]

You just bump that big 3 quality thread.

"Voilated ", look how your talking like some 15 year old kid. Proving people wrong on PP means everything to you. So sad .

Crying lol? Most of the time I ignore you. How is that crying?

Proving someone wrong by bumping a thread? Isnt that what you are trying to do...does that make you sad also?

 

[Hasan123]

You sure? because I seem to recall 4 test wins in England in the last decade. SENA includes England also.

Yes I am sure. 24 of those games are against Australia,SA,and New Zealand. [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] made a thread on it. We didn't win any tests against England in the summer which are our last tests in England not 2016 of 2018. That was 3 games. So add them onto the 24, it equals 27.

 

[Hasan123]

Proving someone wrong by bumping a thread? Isnt that what you are trying to do...does that make you sad also?

True . I'm sad like you.

 

[Rana]

You sure? because I seem to recall 4 test wins in England in the last decade. SENA includes England also.

To him Tests away from home only means Australia. He wants me to Admit India are better but I cant seem to make that analysis with their performance in NZ this time last year

 

[Mesozoic]

I am sorry, what?

Amir, Rahat Ali, Sohail Khan, Wahab....it was a decent attack back then. Not great but decent one. Such better than the current overhyped bunch of Abbas , Naseem, Musa. Even Shaheen is nothing great to be honest etc.

 

[szrana007]

Yes I am sure. 24 of those games are against Australia,SA,and New Zealand. [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] made a thread on it. We didn't win any tests against England in the summer which are our last tests in England not 2016 of 2018. That was 3 games. So add them onto the 24, it equals 27.

That includes different timelines for each country. For Australia you are taking since 1999, For South Africa you are taking since 2007, when Pak actually won a test in SA. For NZL, you are taking since 2016 and for England you are taking since August 2020, doesn't make any sense. I am sure Pakistan's last 27 test matches in SENA contains wins in England and New Zealand.

 

[Hasan123]

That includes different timelines for each country. For Australia you are taking since 1999, For South Africa you are taking since 2007, when Pak actually won a test in SA. For NZL, you are taking since 2016 and for England you are taking since August 2020, doesn't make any sense. I am sure Pakistan's last 27 test matches in SENA contains wins in England and New Zealand.

The last 24 games we have played in Australia,South Africa, and New Zealand we have lost. We didn't win in our last 3 games in England. It equals 27. It really doesn't matter about timelines. These are facts.

If you want to discount England, we have lost our last 24 games in the other 3 countries. A thread was made on it.

 

[Hasan123]

To him Tests away from home only means Australia. He wants me to Admit India are better but I cant seem to make that analysis with their performance in NZ this time last year

The 24 games includes South Africa and New Zealand you clown.

 

[MHN1293]

Its quite unfair comparing a team with its best ever Bowling attack with a team with its worst ever bowling attack. Back in 2016 both teams were relatively more evenly matched. I doubt any sane person would create this thread in 2021. It would be similar to comparing pakistan and india in the 1980s and 90s.

 

[Rana]

The 24 games includes South Africa and New Zealand you clown.

Easy with the name calling pal.

 

[Rana]

Its quite unfair comparing a team with its best ever Bowling attack with a team with its worst ever bowling attack. Back in 2016 both teams were relatively more evenly matched. I doubt any sane person would create this thread in 2021. It would be similar to comparing pakistan and india in the 1980s and 90s.

Let him enjoy bro. Ive been tormenting him by exposing his hypocrisy and double standards. Its his day today as Pakistan has failed to bowl NZ out on Day 2 of a Test.

 

[saeed5646]

I am sorry, what?

yeah what he said is not wrong .Just because our bowlers are struggling at the moment doesnot mean it was always like that

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...n;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=bowling

 

[Hyperion66]

Amir, Rahat Ali, Sohail Khan, Wahab....it was a decent attack back then. Not great but decent one. Such better than the current overhyped bunch of Abbas , Naseem, Musa. Even Shaheen is nothing great to be honest etc.

None of them were particularly impressive but I get where you are coming from. Definitely better than their current lot.

 

[Local.Dada]

Amir, Rahat Ali, Sohail Khan, Wahab....it was a decent attack back then. Not great but decent one. Such better than the current overhyped bunch of Abbas , Naseem, Musa. Even Shaheen is nothing great to be honest etc.

They didn’t play long enough that’s why you think like that. Amir was talented but what do you think, had he not been caught for fixing you think he would have been an ATG by now? The bubble would have burst sooner. May be it is his 1-2 performances vs India making me rate him but yes he was good but not as good as he was hyped. At best he was like the Abbas of LOI bowling. Disciplined with some good basic skills but as long as you played him out, could be neutered like everyone found out later.

Rahat Ali, Sohail Khan ) I think Shaheen to
Some extent and Abbas are better bowlers than those 2.

Wahab has been around forever and he probably will be around forever given he is the only guy who can hit 140+ Consistently without huffing and puffing in spell 2 even though he has his own issues.

Pakistan may have all the talents in the world but they are not handled properly so there is always a question Mark. Talent is only 1/3 of it anyways,
mentoring, self discipline, hunger to learn, management (physical, professional and mental) all make a difference and I don’t see that in too many Pakistani players. Sorry harsh but it’s a fact.

Those days are over when talent can win games alone, there are top shelf analysts, doctors/physicians , coaches that enhance the total package that is a player.

Pakistan is still playing Super Mario era cricket in the day and age of PS5. Sure it may be entertaining and get the job done one in a while but it is what is retro and outdated and not easy on your eyes.

Pakistan should first aim to see how Bangladesh cricket functions and manages their cricket who have a far better system even though lesser quality talent overall than Pakistan.

Then step 2 they need to look at Nzl, how they maximize their resources and produce
Quality cricketers.

After clearing step 1 and 2 then they can think of
Competing with the big 3 especially India which should be the automatic role model for being a neighboring country.

 

[szrana007]

The last 24 games we have played in Australia,South Africa, and New Zealand we have lost. We didn't win in our last 3 games in England. It equals 27. It really doesn't matter about timelines. These are facts.

If you want to discount England, we have lost our last 24 games in the other 3 countries. A thread was made on it.

Pakistan have 4 wins in their last 27 tests in SENA, 3 wins in England and 1 win in NZL back in 2011. That 24 streak includes losing streak in Australia since 1999. And I am sure Pakistan have won alot of tests in SENA since 1999.

 

[Hasan123]

Pakistan have 4 wins in their last 27 tests in SENA, 3 wins in England and 1 win in NZL back in 2011. That 24 streak includes losing streak in Australia since 1999. And I am sure Pakistan have won alot of tests in SENA since 1999.

You don't understand.

We have lost our last 3 games in New Zealand. The 2 in 2016 and the last test. We have lost in Australia since 90s. South Africa we have lost our last 6 i think. A win 2016 against England does not come under the last games played against England. Our last 3 tests against England we didn't win.

I have explained it to you but you seem to not understand the "last "part.

 

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Amir, Rahat Ali, Sohail Khan, Wahab....it was a decent attack back then. Not great but decent one. Such better than the current overhyped bunch of Abbas , Naseem, Musa. Even Shaheen is nothing great to be honest etc.

None of them were particularly impressive but I get where you are coming from. Definitely better than their current lot.

They didn’t play long enough that’s why you think like that. Amir was talented but what do you think, had he not been caught for fixing you think he would have been an ATG by now? The bubble would have burst sooner. May be it is his 1-2 performances vs India making me rate him but yes he was good but not as good as he was hyped. At best he was like the Abbas of LOI bowling. Disciplined with some good basic skills but as long as you played him out, could be neutered like everyone found out later.

Rahat Ali, Sohail Khan ) I think Shaheen to
Some extent and Abbas are better bowlers than those 2.

Wahab has been around forever and he probably will be around forever given he is the only guy who can hit 140+ Consistently without huffing and puffing in spell 2 even though he has his own issues.

Pakistan may have all the talents in the world but they are not handled properly so there is always a question Mark. Talent is only 1/3 of it anyways,
mentoring, self discipline, hunger to learn, management (physical, professional and mental) all make a difference and I don’t see that in too many Pakistani players. Sorry harsh but it’s a fact.

Those days are over when talent can win games alone, there are top shelf analysts, doctors/physicians , coaches that enhance the total package that is a player.

Pakistan is still playing Super Mario era cricket in the day and age of PS5. Sure it may be entertaining and get the job done one in a while but it is what is retro and outdated and not easy on your eyes.

Pakistan should first aim to see how Bangladesh cricket functions and manages their cricket who have a far better system even though lesser quality talent overall than Pakistan.

Then step 2 they need to look at Nzl, how they maximize their resources and produce
Quality cricketers.

After clearing step 1 and 2 then they can think of
Competing with the big 3 especially India which should be the automatic role model for being a neighboring country.

you my indian friend need alot of research about pak cricket .Pak was doing very good till 2018 just look at their record in that particular year

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