Indian Army Chief warns Pakistan, says will choose the time and place to retaliate

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India PM Manmohan Singh warns Pakistan on Kashmir

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Indian PM Manmohan Singh has said it "cannot be business as usual" with Pakistan after deadly exchanges along the disputed Kashmir border last week.

He said the deaths of two Indian soldiers - one of whom India says was beheaded - were "unacceptable".

His remarks follow the Indian army chief's call form troops to "aggressively" respond to firing from Pakistani troops.

Both countries claim Kashmir and have fought two wars over it.

Two Pakistani soldiers were also killed last week.

The violence has plunged the neighbours into the worst crisis in relations since the Mumbai attacks of 2008, which were blamed on militants based in Pakistan. Both sides deny provoking last week's clashes.

Claimed by both countries, Kashmir has been a flashpoint for over 60 years. Exchanges in the disputed area are not uncommon but rarely result in fatalities.


'Barbaric act'
The prime minister made his remarks in the capital, Delhi, to mark Army Day.

"After this barbaric act, there cannot be business as usual with Pakistan. What happened at LoC is unacceptable," he said, referring to the Line of Control, which divides Kashmir.

"I hope Pakistan realises this. I hope Pakistan will bring the perpetrators to book."

India was set to begin a landmark visa-on-arrival deal for Pakistani senior citizens at the Wagah crossing, but this has been put on hold.

Officials from both countries held a meeting at the border on Monday aimed at reducing tensions. Neither side have commented on the talks.

Both countries have also summoned each other's envoys to protest about the killings of the soldiers.

The Indian army chief, Gen Bikram Singh, on Monday accused Pakistan of planning the attacks that killed the two Indian soldiers.

He said the 8 January attack was "pre-meditated, pre-planned activity" and urged Indian troops to be "aggressive and offensive in the face of provocation and fire" from Pakistan.

Despite Indian accusations that Pakistan is in breach of ceasefire accords, two Indian newspapers have suggested the reverse may be true.

The Indian army denied any provocative actions but said there had been "routine maintenance of fortifications".

The border clash has come as a major setback to ties between the two neighbours, with the prime minister saying Pakistan was living in denial, says the BBC's Sanjoy Majumder in Delhi.

In a related development, eight Pakistani hockey players who were due to take part in a tournament in India are being sent back, our correspondent adds.

India suspended a peace process with Pakistan following attacks by Pakistan-based militants in Mumbai in 2008. Negotiations resumed in February last year.

Thousands of people have been killed in Indian-administered Kashmir since an armed revolt against Indian rule erupted in 1989. There has been a ceasefire in Kashmir since late 2003.


Read the bolded part, it should tell you who is responsible.
Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21023932

 

[Wazeeri]

ooooooh hands up everyone who is quaking in his boots.

 

[bin_pendi_ka_lota]

The point is you guys keep killing Bengalis on border and they do nothing. But same wont fly with Pakistan. Superpower apne ghar per ho gha India, ya phir Bengalis ke samne. Afghanistan is in our back pocket so dont worry about them.

It must be painfull for some Indians to sleep knowing their Indian goverment or army isnt responding but they know the realities unlike net warriors like you.

really

 

[SID_ZONE]

9-11 conspiracy
26-11 conspiracy
Parliament attack conspiracy
Now this again conspiracy

I think all countries around the world kill their own civilians just to blame Pakistanis or Muslims, right ?

None of our Pakistani friends quoted this post. I will take it as a silent approval from them deep inside they are a country in denial.

 

[cricketjoshila]

ooooooh hands up everyone who is quaking in his boots.

The point is you guys keep killing Bengalis on border and they do nothing. But same wont fly with Pakistan. Superpower apne ghar per ho gha India, ya phir Bengalis ke samne. Afghanistan is in our back pocket so dont worry about them.

It must be painfull for some Indians to sleep knowing their Indian goverment or army isnt responding but they know the realities unlike net warriors like you.

Bangladesh was libarated.What did you guys did?Surrendered 90k men?

You attacked in 1965,couldnt take an inch of Indian land in Kashmir.

You tried to be smart in 1999 and then your PM ran to Washington DC to save yourself.Thats What your PM said.

Afghanistan in your back pocket??LOL.Zaid Hamid's wet dreams?Afghanistan is an American ally and will remain so,its not Pakistan's playgroud.Stop treating People and countries as your tools.

So look at history and then mess with people.

We believe in face to face war which your army doesnt have the guts to fight,not surprising as they get their ***** kicked a few times.

Have beaten you 4 times will do it again.All your Army can do is talk big,its the biggest failure.

 

[shan]

You attacked in 1965,couldnt take an inch of Indian land in Kashmir.

Otherway around happened and then Indian jawans had to run back. Liberated Bengalis? It was already liberated before Indian had to step in when civil war was going on. Why you guys cant liberate Pakistani Kashmir? After all unlike Bangladesh Kashmir is part of India according to Indian maps.

Perfect timing for Indian army to provoke Pakistani army. Now every Indian have already forgotten about horrific rape case. Keep killing Bengalis after all that all super powa can do.

 

[shortbread]

Thousands of soldiers on both sides of the border must be praying for peace............. while the media, defence and political leaders continue war mongering from their airconditioned offices!!!!

Makes one wonder if these idiots even give a damn about a soldiers life?!

 

[cricketjoshila]

Otherway around happened and then Indian jawans had to run back. Liberated Bengalis? It was already liberated before Indian had to step in when civil war was going on. Why you guys cant liberate Pakistani Kashmir? After all unlike Bangladesh Kashmir is part of India according to Indian maps.

Perfect timing for Indian army to provoke Pakistani army. Now every Indian have already forgotten about horrific rape case. Keep killing Bengalis after all that all super powa can do.

Oh Indians ran back?Who started the war?Who planned OP Grandslam?Who thought they would win over India in a matter of few days and then just managed to save Lahore by the skin of their teeth?

So what were 90k Pakistani soldiers doing in Bangladesh?Playing cricket?And why did the genocide happened?Killed hundreds of Thousands of people?Shameful really.

Going to war in Kashmir will only highlight it on the world stage,Something Pakistan wants and India doesnt.You dont need to go to war for everything and everytime.There is something called the right time and the right way,only if your army could understand it.

Killing illegal migrants and smugglers trying to sneak in and killing your own countrymen in 1971.I know you have your head inside the sand.

Look at what your Army has done to your country,every war every problem arose whenever your Army was in power.Thats all they can do.Coups to take out unarmed civilian governments.When faced in a war,they run back.

 

[vandokkum]

Thread getting heated

 

[bin_pendi_ka_lota]

I have to give point to Pakistani establishment... First they kill our soldiers... While world and its media wakes up to the news and India starts talking tough they make even bigger news....

Bomba blast kill oer 120 and injure 200 + and then protests all across the country....
Qadari in Islamabad with some 7 points...
Family of Zaradari to escape to Dubai....
Supreme Court orders PM to be arrested... Democracy under siege....If not immediate, But almost immediate Threat of a army Coup ....

Now instead of looking at India wounds, India and world as a whole is looking if these guys don't self implode......
What a drama

 

[shan]

I have to give point to Pakistani establishment... First they kill our soldiers...

Its quite clear you are brainwashed or in denial Hinudtva. Every one knows that Indian army first killed Pakistani jawan.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Indian getting their panties in a twist.

Stop all this bickering and threatening. Man up and attack or STFU.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Its quite clear you are brainwashed or in denial Hinudtva. Every one knows that Indian army first killed Pakistani jawan.

Indians in denial?LOL.Your Army is a rogue.They kept denying that they are in Kargil and even refused to take back their own dead soldiers.Thats what your Army is.

They killied thousands in Bangladesh in the worst genocide since WW2.And not a single person was punished.Thats what your army is.

Indian getting their panties in a twist.

Stop all this bickering and threatening. Man up and attack or STFU.

Why doesnt your Army attacks?Despite all hulla ho pf being a MARTIAL RACE and then getting their backs kicked a few times now all they can do is sneak in terrorists or sneak in in groups and kill and behead soldiers.Either fight like an Army else say we dont have the guts so we will fight like a terrorist/guerilla outfit.

 

[oyei]

Again, to all the keyboard army personal from India on PP, i bet you finger muscles are bigger thn salman khan's biceps, My question is, why is India refusing to have an investigation by UN?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Again, to all the keyboard army personal from India on PP, i bet you finger muscles are bigger thn salman khan's biceps, My question is, why is India refusing to have an investigation by UN?

India has always maintained that Kashmir is not an issue for the UN.Pakistan has agreed to this and signed 2 agreements.But as usual they forget about it.

 

[shan]

Indians in denial?LOL.Your Army is a rogue.They kept denying that they are in Kargil and even refused to take back their own dead soldiers.Thats what your Army is.

So yo have to go back 14 years to prove your point? Lets talk about right now, who killed first? Indian army or Pakistani army?

Now can your goverment do anything or will just keep barking like they did in 2008?

 

[cricketjoshila]

So yo have to go back 14 years to prove your point? Lets talk about right now, who killed first? Indian army or Pakistani army?

Now can your goverment do anything or will just keep barking like they did in 2008?

Just showing you the face of your rogue army.What ever they say,nothing can be trusted.

Fools rush into fights without thinking,wise men wait for the right oppurtunity.See who has done what in 4 wars.

 

[oyei]

India has always maintained that Kashmir is not an issue for the UN.Pakistan has agreed to this and signed 2 agreements.But as usual they forget about it.

again, India accuse Pakistan, and Pakistan has said, have an investigation, invite an independent body from UN to have an investigation, why is India scared to have an investigation? UN is not solving the kashmir issue, the investigation is about beheading of Indian soldier, I understand that everyone has to defend their patriotism here, but use your brain, why is India refusing to have an independent investigation by UN regarding soldier beheading?

 

[shan]

Just showing you the face of your rogue army.What ever they say,nothing can be trusted.

Fools rush into fights without thinking,wise men wait for the right oppurtunity.See who has done what in 4 wars.

In 2000 Indian army killed 37 sikhs and blamed Pakistan. Nanak Singh who survived told the media that after killing them they shouted Hindu slogans and were drunk. They did all this just before Clinton visit to prove the point.

And winning 4 wars is biggest BS ever. lol

 

[cricketjoshila]

In 2000 Indian army killed 37 sikhs and blamed Pakistan. Nanak Singh who survived told the media that after killing them they shouted Hindu slogans and were drunk. They did all this just before Clinton visit to prove the point.

And winning 4 wars is biggest BS ever. lol

Can you link me to the above BS that you stated about Sikhs?

1948: Pakistan army was near Srinagar when the Indian Army landed there.How much of Kashmir does Pakistan have now?

1965: Pakistan started a war to take Kashmir,and by the end of it was struggling to save Lahore.You decide who won what?

1971: Lets not go there.

1999:Your own PM has accepted that your army was losing and he had to run to Washington to save them.

Call is BS.Doesnt change the facts,does it?

 

[cricketjoshila]

again, India accuse Pakistan, and Pakistan has said, have an investigation, invite an independent body from UN to have an investigation, why is India scared to have an investigation? UN is not solving the kashmir issue, the investigation is about beheading of Indian soldier, I understand that everyone has to defend their patriotism here, but use your brain, why is India refusing to have an independent investigation by UN regarding soldier beheading?

India is againist UN in anything that is remotely connected to Kashmir.Why not have a joint investigation?

 

[oyei]

India is againist UN in anything that is remotely connected to Kashmir.Why not have a joint investigation?

Pakistani army is afraid that they might kill Indian investigator. get real, Joint investigation?, so both can bicker after the verdict is announced. any why is India scared to get UN involve? if they are right, why get scared?

 

[Speedster1]

Another Pak soldier killed now on LOC.

 

[Speedster1]

(Reuters) - Indian troops killed a Pakistani soldier in the disputed territory of Kashmir late on Tuesday, the Pakistani army said.

The soldier was killed at a position called Kundi during firing from the Indian side that began at 10 p.m. local time, Pakistan's army said in a statement.

He was the fifth soldier reported killed in Kashmir in recent weeks but politicians on both sides have said the skirmishes should not derail a bilateral peace process.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

India is againist UN in anything that is remotely connected to Kashmir.Why not have a joint investigation?

India does not want joint investigation.

You have the ridiculous situation of Indian media egged on by the army cornering the indian government and driving foreign policy!

Is there a tussle between politicians and army in the background going on?

 

[shan]

Can you link me to the above BS that you stated about Sikhs?

1948: Pakistan army was near Srinagar when the Indian Army landed there.How much of Kashmir does Pakistan have now?

1965: Pakistan started a war to take Kashmir,and by the end of it was struggling to save Lahore.You decide who won what?

1971: Lets not go there.

1999:Your own PM has accepted that your army was losing and he had to run to Washington to save them.

Call is BS.Doesnt change the facts,does it?

1948: Pakistan take back 46% of Kashmir with Tribals and poor PA from mighty India. If only Pakistan had huge number of troops, unfortunatly Zaid Hamid 1 Pakistani 10 hindus ke baraber hai doesnt work in real life.

1965: Pakistan was waiting India to attack from LOC but instead these cowards run towards Lahore and even then Pak defended it self. No wonder now days they only bark but dont bite.

1971: India step in Civil War and claim victory. If Bangladesh had border with real Pakistan then Indians would have never dared to attack.

1999: Again this cant even be called war.

The only war between both countries was that of 1965 and since then India can only bark.

 

[shan]

The sole survivor of the massacre was Nanak Singh Aulakh, who recounted the events to reporters.[1] A unit of Indian paramilitary Rashtriya Rifles stationed nearby failed to intervene during the attack.[2] The attackers wore military uniforms, and were led by a man they addressed as 'Commanding Officer.' As they withdrew, they allegedly shouted Hindu slogans, and left behind bottles of liquor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattisinghpora,_Pathribal,_and_Barakpora_massacres#cite_note-amnesty-2

Jai hind

 

[chacha kashmiri]

(Reuters) - Indian troops killed a Pakistani soldier in the disputed territory of Kashmir late on Tuesday, the Pakistani army said.

The soldier was killed at a position called Kundi during firing from the Indian side that began at 10 p.m. local time, Pakistan's army said in a statement.

He was the fifth soldier reported killed in Kashmir in recent weeks but politicians on both sides have said the skirmishes should not derail a bilateral peace process.

3-2 to india, pakistan need to step up their game, this is like a russian roulette version of olympic shooting

 

[90MPH]

1948: Pakistan take back 46% of Kashmir with Tribals and poor PA from mighty India. If only Pakistan had huge number of troops, unfortunatly Zaid Hamid 1 Pakistani 10 hindus ke baraber hai doesnt work in real life.

1965: Pakistan was waiting India to attack from LOC but instead these cowards run towards Lahore and even then Pak defended it self. No wonder now days they only bark but dont bite.

1971: India step in Civil War and claim victory. If Bangladesh had border with real Pakistan then Indians would have never dared to attack.

1999: Again this cant even be called war.

The only war between both countries was that of 1965 and since then India can only bark.

This is not in Bollywood films or Indian textbooks.

I don't blame them for being so delusional and arrogant. They are taught to be like this.

 

[KingKhanWC]

India is againist UN in anything that is remotely connected to Kashmir.Why not have a joint investigation?

Of course India is against UN investigating anything in Kashmir, your army would rather continue raping schoolgirls which we know is a common thing in India.

The PM, army chief or any BJP clowns can bark all they like, India will never hold a single inch of Pakistan or Free Kashmir.

 

[finalfantasy7]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21036212

Another one dead

 

[moumotta]

1948: Pakistan take back 46% of Kashmir with Tribals and poor PA from mighty India. If only Pakistan had huge number of troops, unfortunatly Zaid Hamid 1 Pakistani 10 hindus ke baraber hai doesnt work in real life.

1965: Pakistan was waiting India to attack from LOC but instead these cowards run towards Lahore and even then Pak defended it self. No wonder now days they only bark but dont bite.

1971: India step in Civil War and claim victory. If Bangladesh had border with real Pakistan then Indians would have never dared to attack.

1999: Again this cant even be called war.

The only war between both countries was that of 1965 and since then India can only bark.

Thats what he is saying again "Indian Army Chief warns Pakistan, says will choose the time and place to retaliate". You think that is cowardice.

 

[moumotta]

It all begins to make sense after yesterday's developments. With Pak Army preparing for a take over how do you make sure there is no opposition at home.

Simple, Escalate the situation on the border and create an Indian bogey.

 

[Down2Earth]

and another one killed by the indian army, i'm expecting pakistan to top their previous best

 

[cricketjoshila]

The sole survivor of the massacre was Nanak Singh Aulakh, who recounted the events to reporters.[1] A unit of Indian paramilitary Rashtriya Rifles stationed nearby failed to intervene during the attack.[2] The attackers wore military uniforms, and were led by a man they addressed as 'Commanding Officer.' As they withdrew, they allegedly shouted Hindu slogans, and left behind bottles of liquor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattisinghpora,_Pathribal,_and_Barakpora_massacres#cite_note-amnesty-2

Jai hind

Mr. George Coleman Headley in his statementhas already said that it was Lashkar e Toiba who carried out the attacks.

And what stops a terrorist from shouting Hindu Slogans or leaving a bottle of liquor behind?

 

[shan]

Mr. George Coleman Headley in his statementhas already said that it was Lashkar e Toiba who carried out the attacks.

Who to believe? A surviver who saw it all or someone who has been tortured so he can admit anything 10 years later?

 

[Mohsin]

ANOTHER attack from our enemy, martyring 1 Pak Jawan

india is getting ready for attack/trying to provoke us

Once an enemy, always an enemy

 

[cricketjoshila]

1948: Pakistan take back 46% of Kashmir with Tribals and poor PA from mighty India. If only Pakistan had huge number of troops, unfortunatly Zaid Hamid 1 Pakistani 10 hindus ke baraber hai doesnt work in real life.

1965: Pakistan was waiting India to attack from LOC but instead these cowards run towards Lahore and even then Pak defended it self. No wonder now days they only bark but dont bite.

1971: India step in Civil War and claim victory. If Bangladesh had border with real Pakistan then Indians would have never dared to attack.

1999: Again this cant even be called war.

The only war between both countries was that of 1965 and since then India can only bark.

LOL.Did they taught you that Pakistan took 46% of Kashmir?LOL.They fought and defeated the MahaRajas army and as soon as Indian Army entered they were pushed back from near Srinagar to what is the northern most territory of J and K. Learn your history please.

1965:So now Pakistan Army will decide which place we will attack and how?LOL again.India was 30ks from Lahore and held 1000+sq km of Pakistani territory in Lahore sector.Go read some books,every one of the neutral assesors say Indian held twice to thrice more land than Pakistan held in 1965.

1971:Real Pakistan?So only West Pakistan was real Pakistan?No doubt Bangladeshis wanted to be separate from the people with such thinking.More than 50% of your GDP and Population of 1971 was from East Pakistan.Such pathetic thinking and then you guys ask why Bangladesh separated.Believe it or not,Indian Army broke your country into TWO PARTS.Thats what history is.

1999:It wasnt a war?So what were Indian and Pakistani troops doing?Bursting fire crackers?

Your Army has been soundly thrashed 4 times.Have lost half of your country and hasnt gained an inch of Indian land.Yes you can keep your head buried in sand and think nothing is wrong.But your army is only good in pushing terrorists,killing innocent bengalis in 1971,orchestrating coups and fighting guerilla wars.When it comes to fighting face to face they run away and let another Army take half of your country.And then bark on Tv.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Who to believe? A surviver who saw it all or someone who has been tortured so he can admit anything 10 years later?

Ummm.Did the survivor said Indian soldiers killed them?Nopes.

And here is someone who was working intimately with a group which carried out these attacks.His statements have been instrumental in arresting Al Qaida/LAshkar operatives around the world.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is not in Bollywood films or Indian textbooks.

I don't blame them for being so delusional and arrogant. They are taught to be like this.

Yes we see Bangladesh and we see Kashmir and then we know which Army is delusional.

 

[Badsha]

ANOTHER attack from our enemy, martyring 1 Pak Jawan

india is getting ready for attack/trying to provoke us

Once an enemy, always an enemy

This is the dumb mentality we have to change.

The big boys are playing us like pawns! Realize that!

Our soldiars are being killed for diplomatic reasons.


India needs to realize this as well but I think both sides are just too thick headed to understand.


Why don't you both brag about which one has bigger weapons.




As for the person India has now killed we must take some (not necessary violont) action. This must end.


We are in a very vulnerable state right now and India is taking advantage of it.

 

[pakistanalltheway]

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind !

 

[shan]

LOL.Did they taught you that Pakistan took 46% of Kashmir?LOL.They fought and defeated the MahaRajas army and as soon as Indian Army entered they were pushed back from near Srinagar to what is the northern most territory of J and K. Learn your history please.

1965:So now Pakistan Army will decide which place we will attack and how?LOL again.India was 30ks from Lahore and held 1000+sq km of Pakistani territory in Lahore sector.Go read some books,every one of the neutral assesors say Indian held twice to thrice more land than Pakistan held in 1965.

1971:Real Pakistan?So only West Pakistan was real Pakistan?No doubt Bangladeshis wanted to be separate from the people with such thinking.More than 50% of your GDP and Population of 1971 was from East Pakistan.Such pathetic thinking and then you guys ask why Bangladesh separated.Believe it or not,Indian Army broke your country into TWO PARTS.Thats what history is.

1999:It wasnt a war?So what were Indian and Pakistani troops doing?Bursting fire crackers?

Your Army has been soundly thrashed 4 times.Have lost half of your country and hasnt gained an inch of Indian land.Yes you can keep your head buried in sand and think nothing is wrong.But your army is only good in pushing terrorists,killing innocent bengalis in 1971,orchestrating coups and fighting guerilla wars.When it comes to fighting face to face they run away and let another Army take half of your country.And then bark on Tv.

Keep believing that BS, facts are ignored anyway by Hindutvas.

1948: If Pakistan didnt take 46% then today all of Kashmir could have been under India and also border with central asia and Pakistan without border with China.

1965: Indian army attacked civilians since Pak army was in LOC. See we dont have 7 times of population so cant afford to many soldiers. Even with clear initial advantage India had, once Pak army moved from LOC you guys run away.

1971: Yes Pakistan treated Bangladesh badly, we all know that. Pakistan doesnt have border with Bangladesh but India does, the only reason for intervention. Otherwise why not liberate Kashmir as well from real Pakistan.

1999: 5000 Pak vs 30.000 IA is hardly a war. Even then India had perfect excuse to liberate Kashmir since Pak started it. And dont bring UN, where was UN in 1971?

 

[cricket365]

Sometimes I just wish Pak had attacked India in 1962 instead of 1965... fun times

 

[PetroDollars]

Cricketjoshila is obviously one of those blind war mongering indians, who has believed every word what india gives and is oblivious to the facts.

Anyway here are some facts from your own media which will shock the crap out of you and make you wet your pants.

Your armys leader in Kargil war admits defeat )
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/not-convinced-we-won-kargil-lt-gen-kishan-pal-to-ndtv-28718

Pakistan gained alot of territory in Kargil war, which includes the highests peaks in the region which is a strategic location.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/near-tiger-hill-point-5353-still-pakoccupied/488505/

http://archive.tehelka.com/story_main4.asp?filename=Ne071704pakistan_still.asp&id=1

Even though we couldn't achieve what we wanted with kargil because of a bufoon PM, Kargil was a massive defeat for India


And we all know about how you took a cheap shot in 1965 and got blown away by a roaring tiger where you then again had to take a cheap shot and turned your focus on east pakistan and sent 300,000 soliders to fight an army of 1000. 1965 war was a big lesson for your army of rats.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Cricketjoshila is obviously one of those blind war mongering indians, who has believed every word what india gives and is oblivious to the facts.

Anyway here are some facts from your own media which will shock the crap out of you and make you wet your pants.

Your armys leader in Kargil war admits defeat )
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/not-convinced-we-won-kargil-lt-gen-kishan-pal-to-ndtv-28718

Pakistan gained alot of territory in Kargil war, which includes the highests peaks in the region which is a strategic location.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/near-tiger-hill-point-5353-still-pakoccupied/488505/

http://archive.tehelka.com/story_main4.asp?filename=Ne071704pakistan_still.asp&id=1
Even though we couldn't achieve what we wanted with kargil because of a bufoon PM, Kargil was a massive defeat for India


And we all know about how you took a cheap shot in 1965 and got blown away by a roaring tiger where you then again had to take a cheap shot and turned your focus on east pakistan and sent 300,000 soliders to fight an army of 1000. 1965 war was a big lesson for your army of rats.

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[Bhaijaan]

Read those articles, not much in them. Quite sure myself or CJ can post 30 such articles here showing how badly Pak got hurt in those wars, irrespective of who won or lost. You need to understand the perspective of those comments. Like how we usually say there is no winner in a war, the army guy said India didn't consolidate its position but said there were tactical victories over Pak. How exactly does this mean India lost to Pak?

 

[Oxy'sWingMan]

Cricketjoshila is obviously one of those blind war mongering indians, who has believed every word what india gives and is oblivious to the facts.

Anyway here are some facts from your own media which will shock the crap out of you and make you wet your pants.

Your armys leader in Kargil war admits defeat )
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/not-convinced-we-won-kargil-lt-gen-kishan-pal-to-ndtv-28718

Pakistan gained alot of territory in Kargil war, which includes the highests peaks in the region which is a strategic location.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/near-tiger-hill-point-5353-still-pakoccupied/488505/

http://archive.tehelka.com/story_main4.asp?filename=Ne071704pakistan_still.asp&id=1

Even though we couldn't achieve what we wanted with kargil because of a bufoon PM, Kargil was a massive defeat for India


And we all know about how you took a cheap shot in 1965 and got blown away by a roaring tiger where you then again had to take a cheap shot and turned your focus on east pakistan and sent 300,000 soliders to fight an army of 1000. 1965 war was a big lesson for your army of rats.

*sigh*

This thread was actually getting interesting to read, but posts like this just make me cringe. You obviously did not fully comprehend what was being said in that article.

 

[GentleMan]

Keep going guys...always love to see some good internet fight..a real war would be nice but this will do for the time being... peace mongers and aman ki tamasha guys stay out!!

 

[PetroDollars]

Read those articles, not much in them. Quite sure myself or CJ can post 30 such articles here showing how badly Pak got hurt in those wars, irrespective of who won or lost. You need to understand the perspective of those comments. Like how we usually say there is no winner in a war, the army guy said India didn't consolidate its position but said there were tactical victories over Pak. How exactly does this mean India lost to Pak?

Please do post them its how debates progress on forums, as for CJ i can only expect one line rants from him.

As for the comments it doesn't matter, the truth is finally coming out slowly from the Indian side. Like i said no one won as we didn't achieve our objective BUT India was hit hard, not only did you outnumber us but had better weapons and still couldn't threaten us we ended up capturing some strategic territory after the ceasefire despite us not winning, India received a big defeat.

 

[moumotta]

Please do post them its how debates progress on forums, as for CJ i can only expect one line rants from him.

As for the comments it doesn't matter, the truth is finally coming out slowly from the Indian side. Like i said no one won as we didn't achieve our objective BUT India was hit hard, not only did you outnumber us but had better weapons and still couldn't threaten us we ended up capturing some strategic territory after the ceasefire despite us not winning, India received a big defeat.

You accuse CJ of being oblivious to facts and then post utter tosh such as only 1000 Pak soldiers in all of East Pakistan. How can anyone debate seriously with you.

 

[PetroDollars]

You accuse CJ of being oblivious to facts and then post utter tosh such as only 1000 Pak soldiers in all of East Pakistan. How can anyone debate seriously with you.

There are no accurate figures, the number of soldiers in east Pakistan was very low and the fighters were made up of police, rangers and locals.

The number you lot give of 93,000 is the biggest tosh ever written.

 

[Bhaijaan]

There are no accurate figures, the number of soldiers in east Pakistan was very low and the fighters were made up of police, rangers and locals.

The number you lot give of 93,000 is the biggest tosh ever written.

Whatever number it was, how does it actually matter? Bengalis achieved their objective & Indian forces were more than happy to see that happen.

 

[Wicket Hit]

There are no accurate figures, the number of soldiers in east Pakistan was very low and the fighters were made up of police, rangers and locals.

The number you lot give of 93,000 is the biggest tosh ever written.

Pakistan had issued a stamp to draw attention of the world community in asking India to release it's prisoners of war:

I am sure you can read the number in the bottom left hand corner.

 

[RWAC]

Pakistan had issued a stamp to draw attention of the world community in asking India to release it's prisoners of war:

I am sure you can read the number in the bottom left hand corner.

Stillll...It's not 93,000.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Pakistan had issued a stamp to draw attention of the world community in asking India to release it's prisoners of war:

I am sure you can read the number in the bottom left hand corner.

You ruined his fun.

 

[Oxy'sWingMan]

Pakistan had issued a stamp to draw attention of the world community in asking India to release it's prisoners of war:

I am sure you can read the number in the bottom left hand corner.

Haha nice.

 

[Lightning Blade]

LoL india picking fights with much smaller countries and much much smaller populations. because the last time they pulled something like that with a bigger nation they got badly beat lol. if they pulled this bs with china they would running calling for help immediately to the un. The same org they utter bad words, block them, and hide their war crimes, inhumane acts. And whats more funnier is indians defending every wrong committed by their army and establishment, very shameless.

 

[Senman]

It all begins to make sense after yesterday's developments. With Pak Army preparing for a take over how do you make sure there is no opposition at home.

Simple, Escalate the situation on the border and create an Indian bogey.

Exactly, these series of events is eerily similar to what happened after Kargil.

 

[Senman]

LoL india picking fights with much smaller countries and much much smaller populations. because the last time they pulled something like that with a bigger nation they got badly beat lol. if they pulled this bs with china they would running calling for help immediately. And whats more funnier is indians defending every wrong committed by their army and establishment, very shameless.

India lost against China, show me an Indian who is in denial about this? unlike certain country.
India is simply asking back the head of martyred soldier Lance Naik Hemraj, whats wrong with that? whats shameless or barbaric or inhumane is that a professional army beheading other country's soldier and hanging it in their halls as trophy.

 

[cricket365]

http://kafila.org/2013/01/16/in-multiples-of-ten-ravanas/#more-15397

 

[shan]

India lost against China, show me an Indian who is in denial about this? unlike certain country.
India is simply asking back the head of martyred soldier Lance Naik Hemraj, whats wrong with that? whats shameless or barbaric or inhumane is that a professional army beheading other country's soldier and hanging it in their halls as trophy.

What head? Indian army killed another Pak army jawan today in barbaric act. So expect response in couple of days or tomorrow.

 

[Bhaijaan]

LoL india picking fights with much smaller countries and much much smaller populations. because the last time they pulled something like that with a bigger nation they got badly beat lol. if they pulled this bs with china they would running calling for help immediately. And whats more funnier is indians defending every wrong committed by their army and establishment, very shameless.

This is exactly where India is smarter. We acknowledge China's superiority over us and fully understand that picking up fights with them will hurt us more. Result is in front of you, Sino-Indian relations are thriving despite border disputes. When did the last time you heard of a Sino-Indian war? That's not happening, sorry to disappoint you.

 

[PetroDollars]

Pakistan had issued a stamp to draw attention of the world community in asking India to release it's prisoners of war:

I am sure you can read the number in the bottom left hand corner.

Read what i said again.

PoW and Army are 2 different things.

 

[msd89]

Seems like India has started the revenge.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2013/01/2013115192352331440.html

 

[PetroDollars]

This is exactly where India is smarter. We acknowledge China's superiority over us and fully understand that picking up fights with them will hurt us more. Result is in front of you, Sino-Indian relations are thriving despite border disputes. When did the last time you heard of a Sino-Indian war? That's not happening, sorry to disappoint you.

and im sorry to disappoint you, but that's where its heading.

 

[Bhaijaan]

and im sorry to disappoint you, but that's where its heading.

India-China? LOL really?

 

[Bhaijaan]

Indian Army chief's statements "very hostile", says Pak foreign minister Hina Rabbani Khar


By Chidanand Rajghatta, TNN | Jan 16, 2013, 01.41 AM IST
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...er-Hina-Rabbani-Khar/articleshow/18039752.cms

WASHINGTON: The disconnect between Pakistan's adrift and enfeebled civilian government and its out-of-control military was on show in the US last night when the country's foreign minister Hina Rabbani Khar insisted Islamabad wanted resolve issues through dialogue rather than military actions despite the alleged depredations of its army resulting in the beheading of an Indian soldier.

The Indian leadership had to "catch up" with Pakistan in the matter of striving for peace with, Khar gratuitously told the Charlie Rose show, while presenting her country's version of what transpired at the LoC and denying the Indian account the soldier's beheading.

Khar arrived in the US to attend a special session of the UN Security Council of which Pakistan is the Chairman for the month of January even as her toxic country was imploding from a shadowy confrontation involving the judiciary, military, and clerical-political forces. But she presented the voice of sweet reason before American TV audience, maintaining that Islamabad was striving for peace and describing the Indian Army Chief's warning to Pakistan as "very hostile."

"After the comments by the army chief I am taken back by 20 years," Khar said on show aired on PBS.

Charlie Rose: What did he say?

Khar: Just very hostile comments.

The Indian Army Chief Gen Bikram Singh had warned Pakistan that India reserves the right to retaliate at the "time and place" of its choosing, suggesting that the border spat is not going to be buried anytime soon. India's political leadership too appeared to be responding with spine after initial timidity, following popular anger and media outcry.

Khar said Pakistan was "not very pleasantly surprised" by the comments it heard from India and gratuitously added "I think this is what has changed in Pakistan where India needs to catch up." Pakistan, she said, today presents a country "which is very clear in its head as to how it wants to operate with its neighbors."

"And the way we want to operate with our neighbors is to try and build on the trust to take care of and then build that trust enough to be able to build an environment in which we can take care of the disputes that we have on the dialogue table rather than through military statements and through military actions," she added.

While the Pakistan foreign minister's statements were mainly meant for western consumption, it is no great secret among analysts here that the country's civilian government has little control or leverage over the military, which plays by its own jihadi rule book both in its eastern and western front. There has been speculation in expert circles that the Pakistani military or sections of it could be turning up the heat on its eastern front with India to rein in and redirect some of the jihadi forces which are attacking the military.

On Tuesday, the regionalists were also riveted to the new power struggle in Islamabad with little attention paid to India's fulminations on the border incident.

In Khar's version of the border incident, it was Indian forces which came 400 meters inside Pakistani territory for an attack which resulted in the death of a Pakistani soldier. "Now just two days after that or three days after that, we had an allegation which was made that two Indian soldiers were killed by Pakistani fighting which we looked into and we could find no evidence that Pakistani troops had done that. And then of course, there were extremely conflicting statements that the heads were decapitated," Khar narrated, capitalizing on the initial mixed messages that came from India.

"The northern commander spokesperson who is the person on the ground said they weren't (beheaded). Others said they were," she added, suggesting that the issue had become embroiled in domestic politics.

 

[Senman]

What head? Indian army killed another Pak army jawan today in barbaric act. So expect response in couple of days or tomorrow.

Expect more till the head of martyred soldier Lance Naik Hemraj is returned. I simply don't understand why Pakistan army want to escalate the tension by not returning it, may be it want to take over your country.

 

[shan]

The good news is that international media unlike war monger Indian media are telling truth, it was all started by Indian army. From BBC to CNN Indian army has been exposed.

 

[shan]

Expect more till the head of martyred soldier Lance Naik Hemraj is returned. I simply don't understand why Pakistan army want to escalate the tension by not returning it, may be it want to take over your country.

Indian started first so they will have to stop first, till then wont be surprised if Pak army keep responding if provoked like today again. This is your state of mind, cant accept that India provoked Pakistán. Its like saying India provoked Pakistan in Kargil.

 

[Wicket Hit]

Read what i said again.

PoW and Army are 2 different things.

July 13, 1973 New York Times.

The second paragraph gives the total number of Prisoners of War and the number of civilians out of that number.

 

[Lightning Blade]

This is exactly where India is smarter. We acknowledge China's superiority over us and fully understand that picking up fights with them will hurt us more. Result is in front of you, Sino-Indian relations are thriving despite border disputes. When did the last time you heard of a Sino-Indian war? That's not happening, sorry to disappoint you.

Yes Indeed india is very smart. Thats why this happened.

These are the results you are talking about

Indian Casualties in India - China war

1,383 Killed
1,047 Wounded
1,696 Missing
3,968 Captured

Result Decisive Chinese victory

The chinese were indeed no match for the smart and strong indians.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Are you stupid or something? India never initiated any war with China. Those that occurred in 60s were Chinese attacks (rather betrayal), we secured our border later on by building a strong army and nothing has happened since then.

 

[Senman]

Indian started first so they will have to stop first, till then wont be surprised if Pak army keep responding if provoked like today again. This is your state of mind, cant accept that India provoked Pakistán. Its like saying India provoked Pakistan in Kargil.

Dude you are not understanding, the problem is beheading of one our soldier by Pakistan Army. India simply cannot leave the matter aside until the head of martyred soldier Lance Naik Hemraj is returned.

 

[Lightning Blade]

The good news is that international media unlike war monger Indian media are telling truth, it was all started by Indian army. From BBC to CNN Indian army has been exposed.

Thats good to hear at least the world is after so long is getting a peak of the real india. Not the fake image they have been shown in recent times. But international media usually reports against pakistan even if they weren't the aggressors and the culprit goes clean.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Dude you are not understanding, the problem is beheading of one our soldier by Pakistan Army. India simply cannot leave the matter aside until the head of martyred soldier Lance Naik Hemraj is returned.

I understand your sentiments. If the act was done by Pakistan it was deplorable. But tbh the Indian media have spread propaganda so no one really knows the truth.

Here is a non biased article from BBC:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21036212

A quote from it reads: "But despite Indian accusations that Pakistan is in breach of ceasefire accords, two Indian newspapers have suggested the reverse may be true.

The reports last week said Indian commanders might have precipitated the clashes by ordering new observation posts on the LoC after a 70-year-old woman crossed it unhindered last year."

What I presume to have happened is that the Indians wanted to build these observation posts, which is a clear violation of the ceasefire agreement. Pak soldiers fired some warning shots, Indian soldiers fired back killed a Pak soldier. Pak retaliated a few days later in a revenge assault, killing 2 Indians. One of the Indians may or may not have been beheaded. There are mixed reports on the indian side, they initially said he had not been beheaded than said he had. Than India retaliates and kills another Pak soldier. All the meanwhile there are flag meetings being held, and ceasefire violations by both countries.

Yes beheading is a barbaric thing to do, but no peace loving civilized society would engage in meaningless war in the first place...and India-Pak have fought multiple wars so logic is no where to be found. The Indian media have sensationalized this beheading story in order to bury the fact that they killed a Pakistani soldier first.

 

[cricket365]

Seems like beheading is not a big deal happens very often... (which is very unfortunate)

http://kafila.org/2013/01/16/in-mult...as/#more-15397

 

[Senman]

I understand your sentiments. If the act was done by Pakistan it was deplorable. But tbh the Indian media have spread propaganda so no one really knows the truth.

Here is a non biased article from BBC:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21036212

A quote from it reads: "But despite Indian accusations that Pakistan is in breach of ceasefire accords, two Indian newspapers have suggested the reverse may be true.

The reports last week said Indian commanders might have precipitated the clashes by ordering new observation posts on the LoC after a 70-year-old woman crossed it unhindered last year."

What I presume to have happened is that the Indians wanted to build these observation posts, which is a clear violation of the ceasefire agreement. Pak soldiers fired some warning shots, Indian soldiers fired back killed a Pak soldier. Pak retaliated a few days later in a revenge assault, killing 2 Indians. One of the Indians may or may not have been beheaded. There are mixed reports on the indian side, they initially said he had not been beheaded than said he had. Than India retaliates and kills another Pak soldier. All the meanwhile there are flag meetings being held, and ceasefire violations by both countries.

Yes beheading is a barbaric thing to do, but no peace loving civilized society would engage in meaningless war in the first place...and India-Pak have fought multiple wars so logic is no where to be found. The Indian media have sensationalized this beheading story in order to bury the fact that they killed a Pakistani soldier first.

Dude I am with you when you calling for peace as war only harms the common people of both our countries. The problem is not the killing but beheading, which is a war crime. Some section of Indian media do sensationalize things, I agree, but we know where to look and what to read, I am sure the escalation will come down once the head of martyred soldier Lance Naik Hemraj is returned, then they can have a flag meeting and discuss whose fault it is and whom to punish, key is returning the severed head of our soldier to his family, its a big thing dude.

Indians killing their own soldier is just another conspiracy, don't go down that line, no army does that. This is like 3rd beheading in the last 2 years.

 

[Friend786]

Indian firing kills 5th Pakistani soldier in Kashmir: ISPR



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