Indian bowlers swinging it more than anyone at the start of the innings?

[cricketkashmir]

I will be honest that I haven't watched every game of the World Cup, but looking at India vs Zim today, I feel no one has swung it the way Bhuvi and Arshdeep have. Even Shaheen, who is a great at swing, could not swing it this much.
With Bumrah back, the attack looks very potent

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Yeah. They have swung it more in the PP than any other attack.

 

[jnaveen1980]

They shared raw numbers on how much swing everyone gets. These two are comfortably ahead of everyone in this world T20 tournament.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Yeah. They have swung it more in the PP than any other attack.

Both of them swing both ways on a good length. So it makes them more potent. Especially at the MCG they are at their very best.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Pak bowling overall is by far the best bowling attack in this world cup so far , more balanced and more economical as well threatening to pick wickets at any stage of the game , no other team comes closer to us. That's a reality so far.

 

[GreenBee]

A very different approach to Aussie pitches, has worked fine so far except Liton tonking them when it didn't swing.

 

[jnaveen1980]

A very different approach to Aussie pitches, has worked fine so far except Liton tonking them when it didn't swing.

In case if India goes to final they will be playing right here at the MCG.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Stats don't lie , no team is restricting opposition for lower total than Pak again and again.

 

[IAJ]

Yes, they are genuine swing bowlers. Bhuvi has been like this for many years and Arshdeep is also good swing bowler.

And India have had plenty of them in the recent part as well. Zaheer, Irfan, Ashish, Pravin Kumar (?) were all good with the new ball.

And when you don't have speed you have to develop have other skills, and they have taken early wickets so credit where it's due.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Stats don't lie , no team is restricting opposition for lower total than Pak again and again.

You have to hand it to Shadab khan for that. He is the difference. If we strictly talk about pace

Both are more or less equal.

India 5 innings 27 wickets 16.40 avge 6.74 ER 14.5 strike rate
Pakistan 5 innings 24 wickets 17.25 avge 6.27 ER 16.5 strike rate

 

[SamNJ]

They are really good when conditions are good for swing bowling.

 

[Ahmed216]

The equation is simple for oppositions. Play them cautiously for first 2 overs and then bash them for the remaining 18 years which hopefully England will do. There is no sting in their attack after first 2 overs

 

[hamzie]

when you dont have pace its bound to swing

 

[jnaveen1980]

The equation is simple for oppositions. Play them cautiously for first 2 overs and then bash them for the remaining 18 years which hopefully England will do. There is no sting in their attack after first 2 overs

Adelaide they will rely on spin. Too bad India has no Bishnoi or Kuldeep. But at the MCG ball will swing for 10 overs

 

[TheSultan]

They’re swinging it but baby pace

 

[jnaveen1980]

They’re swinging it but baby pace

Pretty much entire Pakistan top order/SA top order were late against swinging ball. Pitch is pacy. You don't need to bowl at 145k.

 

[Major]

They are swinging but they have no pace at all. A half fit Shaheen was bowling faster than them.

The swing also happens because they bowl medium and the ball is new, so without any pace the ball would react more. They do trouble the batsman early on, but issue is, after the first 3 overs, the bowlers become dead. It becomes very easy to score runs against them.

Babar and Rizwan batted terrible. Shan on the other hand played out the ball and after the 3-4 overs, the ball was just acting normal and Shan easily scored with Iftikhar.

There bowlers fail to do anything on the same pitch, because once the ball is not new anymore, they dont have pace to save themselves.

Thus, the swing is for 2-3 overs, lethal against openers, but if one survives it, you can easily tonk the same bowlers for runs.

Had Faheem Ashraf been born in India, he would had been the Waseem Akram for them

 

[Stumper]

They are swinging but they have no pace at all. A half fit Shaheen was bowling faster than them.

The swing also happens because they bowl medium and the ball is new, so without any pace the ball would react more. They do trouble the batsman early on, but issue is, after the first 3 overs, the bowlers become dead. It becomes very easy to score runs against them.

Babar and Rizwan batted terrible. Shan on the other hand played out the ball and after the 3-4 overs, the ball was just acting normal and Shan easily scored with Iftikhar.

There bowlers fail to do anything on the same pitch, because once the ball is not new anymore, they dont have pace to save themselves.

Thus, the swing is for 2-3 overs, lethal against openers, but if one survives it, you can easily tonk the same bowlers for runs.

Had Faheem Ashraf been born in India, he would had been the Waseem Akram for them

He wouldn't be playing ranji matches in India. Let alone Akram. India now have good bowler, check the stats before jumping here and there.

 

[Kianig89]

It's more like trundlers swinging it India are very good at it historically they've trundled with swing Prasad RP Singh Zak Nehra Pathan et.al

 

[Advaith]

It's more like trundlers swinging it India are very good at it historically they've trundled with swing Prasad RP Singh Zak Nehra Pathan et.al

It seems trundlers are doing better than your speed marchants in this world cup ..Stats don't lie

 

[asfandyar]

As far as I know, you need to bowl in the 125-135 range for the ball to swing prodigiously ala Praveen Kumar or Paul Collingwood. 145+ used to be good in the era of reverse swing, but now it's just useful for hurrying the batsman or for slight movement off the pitch.

 

[jnaveen1980]

It seems trundlers are doing better than your speed marchants in this world cup ..Stats don't lie

This is not even main bowling line up bar Bhuvi. Deepak Chahar swings more than these two guys. If you add Bumrah, Moshin, Saini, Umran for pace it will be a much more potent attack. Just that India has sent a B string attack bar Bhuvi. Even Thakur was swinging and bouncing at the Gabba and helped India breach the fortress in the Test match

 

[Master Blaster]

After the customary two swing bowls each, any half decent bat with positive intent can swing them out of the park with closed eyes....

There is no variety in the attack...there is no variety in the pie chucks to be more precise.

 

[Stumper]

As far as I know, you need to bowl in the 125-135 range for the ball to swing prodigiously ala Praveen Kumar or Paul Collingwood. 145+ used to be good in the era of reverse swing, but now it's just useful for hurrying the batsman or for slight movement off the pitch.

The issue here is when Md Asif swings the ball he is megician(not comparing Bhuvi and Arshdeep to him) but when Indian does he becomes trundler.

 

[Kianig89]

It seems trundlers are doing better than your speed marchants in this world cup ..Stats don't lie

Yes trundling is India's speciality

Munaf Patel Praveen Kumar Vinay Kumar Robin Singh Staurt Binny Mohit Sharma Jay Jaydev Unadkat Abhimanyu Mithun the land of trundlers

 

[jnaveen1980]

After the customary two swing bowls each, any half decent bat with positive intent can swing them out of the park with closed eyes....

There is no variety in the attack...there is no variety in the pie chucks to be more precise.

So they went for runs after a couple of overs? So their economy has to be pretty bad right in this world T20? Especially against top sides?

 

[asfandyar]

The issue here is when Md Asif swings the ball he is megician(not comparing Bhuvi and Arshdeep to him) but when Indian does he becomes trundler.

Asif was also a trundler, just a very good one. Trundling is an adjective used for denoting bowling speed. If you are taking wickets at medium pace, you are a magician AND a trundler. This word has a negative connotation on Pakpassion because we are a traditionally proud pace-bowling nation.

Asif was an anomaly in Pakistan, but he got the magician tag because of our rich history. Bumrah is world class, but he will never get the same fame or recognition as Kohli or Asif since India is a historically batting nation.

Ultimately, these tags don't matter. If you are bowling at 110kph and taking wickets, people will regurgitate their own insecurities by laughing at your speed, but eventually you are contributing to your team and it is all that matters.

 

[PakPremi]

Indian bowlers have bowled well in PPovers and death overs,full credit to them. Paksitani pace bowlers also have done great, bar one bad match for Haris, and Shaeen first match on return.

 

[Ab Fan]

India need to get rid off Axar Patel and play a pacer, like Harshal or Shardul.

Shardul is a better batsman/hitter of the two and can trouble opposition with a wicket here or there in a big game. He will leak runs no doubt but will be better than Axar. Or else play Harshal instead of Axar. He too can bat at 8.

 

[PakPremi]

Good post @ asfandyer. There is more to bowling than just speed, control, line & length, and movement of the ball is just as vital, and in this format particularly your variety. Naseem could bowl fast early on his career but lacked many of the above defined attributes, and now that he has developed these skills he is much more useful bowler

 

[Ab Fan]

Had Faheem Ashraf been born in India, he would had been the Waseem Akram for them

Venkatesh Iyer baitha hua hai humare paas IPL me..wo Faheem Ashraf ka kaam kar dega..

 

[jnaveen1980]

India need to get rid off Axar Patel and play a pacer, like Harshal or Shardul.

Shardul is a better batsman/hitter of the two and can trouble opposition with a wicket here or there in a big game. He will leak runs no doubt but will be better than Axar. Or else play Harshal instead of Axar. He too can bat at 8.

Siraj was also very good in Australia. So was Thakur. Thakur was the only guy who could swing in that line up and also he had this surprise bouncer. India botched it up with 3 spinners in the squad. Chahal may never play a game here.

 

[PakPremi]

India need to get rid off Axar Patel and play a pacer, like Harshal or Shardul.

Shardul is a better batsman/hitter of the two and can trouble opposition with a wicket here or there in a big game. He will leak runs no doubt but will be better than Axar. Or else play Harshal instead of Axar. He too can bat at 8.

And Pakistan are also screaming out for a seamer who can bat at lower end. Aamer Yamin and new guy Jamal can be given go.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Good post @ asfandyer. There is more to bowling than just speed, control, line & length, and movement of the ball is just as vital, and in this format particularly your variety. Naseem could bowl fast early on his career but lacked many of the above defined attributes, and now that he has developed these skills he is much more useful bowler

He has an outswinger. But not perfected yet. But his slower balls are the one that caught my attention. With no visible change in action he is able to execute his slow into the pitch balls effectively. That has been his most productive ball. No body could time it.

 

[Ab Fan]

Siraj was also very good in Australia. So was Thakur. Thakur was the only guy who could swing in that line up and also he had this surprise bouncer. India botched it up with 3 spinners in the squad. Chahal may never play a game here.

Yes but this 2 spinner in the XI mandatory stuff may well cost us now because we really are struggling in that department.

 

[Front Foot Pull]

yes they are swinging it more. bhuvi is bowling tight and swinging, yet unable to not getting wickets upfront. can understand if he doesn't get them on a day its not swinging and he is not bowling well, but even on days he is bowling well? frustrating to be honest. Being economical is good but your opening bowler should also get wickets. Can't put all the burden of wickets on arshdeep. if bhuvi doesn't chip in, our middle overs will be thrashed. hope he picks a few in the next match.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

That's why Indians win test matches in Australia.

They don't rely on pace - just swing, line and length.

Good on them for getting it right in a very tough place.

 

[Ab Fan]

And Pakistan are also screaming out for a seamer who can bat at lower end. Aamer Yamin and new guy Jamal can be given go.

Pakistan spinners have done really well though compared to Indian ones. Shadab is a must, he is quality and Nawaz isn't bad too with his all round ability but yes because you have Iftikhar who can bowl an over or two of off spin, you should go with fourth seamer only.

Why not Mohammad Wasim? Or am I missing something - Shaheen, Naseem, Rauf, Wasim, Shadab?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Pakistan spinners have done really well though compared to Indian ones. Shadab is a must, he is quality and Nawaz isn't bad too with his all round ability but yes because you have Iftikhar who can bowl an over or two of off spin, you should go with fourth seamer only.

Why not Mohammad Wasim? Or am I missing something - Shaheen, Naseem, Rauf, Wasim, Shadab?

If there is one player i would love to have from Pakistan side , that is Shadab handsdown. He provides immense balance.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

If there is one player i would love to have from Pakistan side , that is Shadab handsdown. He provides immense balance.

He can easily replace Pandya?

 

[jnaveen1980]

He can easily replace Pandya?

Why Pandya he is one of our better 4th bowling option. He will replace Axar for sure. That one change will make Indian line up more potent even with this bowling line up.

 

[Kaptan]

TBH I am really surprised with out pace bowling in this tournament. Pretty much owned every top order batter, Pakistan's and SA's top order were finding it difficult to even touch the ball.
Only disappointed has been our spin department. Should have played Bishnoi is place of Ashwin and Shardul in place of Akshar.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Yes they might be lower side when it comes to pace, but they hitting the right length consistently with swing on both sides.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

That's why Indians win test matches in Australia.

They don't rely on pace - just swing, line and length.

Good on them for getting it right in a very tough place.

Um no. Over the last 5 years , we were the fastest attack to tour OZ in tests in terms of average pace - ahead of every other visiting side. Cricviz had an article on that.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Um no. Over the last 5 years , we were the fastest attack to tour OZ in tests in terms of average pace - ahead of every other visiting side. Cricviz had an article on that.

This T20 lineup is a total anomaly. They just went with 'experience". This is far from the best bowling line up we can come up with. If India goes for raw pace they can come up with a completely different side. Harshal patel is a waste of space. Siraj should have been here. I still think India misses one fast bowler who can run through tail.

 

[pakfan54588]

There is no doubt about that indian bowling in powerplay is top notch especially first 3 to 4 overs

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

The issue here is when Md Asif swings the ball he is megician(not comparing Bhuvi and Arshdeep to him) but when Indian does he becomes trundler.

Asif was an excellent test bowler but nothing special in limited overs cricket. Also he didn't have prodigious swing like the Indian bowlers have been getting in this tournament.

That match against Pakistan, Arshdeep's swing reminded me of Pathan at his peak, making Moyo his bunny (when Moyo used to bat at 3).

 

[jnaveen1980]

TBH I am really surprised with out pace bowling in this tournament. Pretty much owned every top order batter, Pakistan's and SA's top order were finding it difficult to even touch the ball.
Only disappointed has been our spin department. Should have played Bishnoi is place of Ashwin and Shardul in place of Akshar.

Would have been more complete bowling line up.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

The only problem in their attack is no wicket taking or defensive spinner for the middle order. Chahal should come into contention for the semi instead of Ashwin but I think they'll go with Ashwin because of left handers like Stokes, Malan, Moeen and Curran.

 

[jnaveen1980]

The only problem in their attack is no wicket taking or defensive spinner for the middle order. Chahal should come into contention for the semi instead of Ashwin but I think they'll go with Ashwin because of left handers like Stokes, Malan, Moeen and Curran.

Almost all the teams release their pressure by going after spinners.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

They are the perfect pace for swing. But if Buttler or Allen get ahold of them India could be in trouble.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Almost all the teams release their pressure by going after spinners.

Hasaranga, Shadab, Rashid all 3 have done well in this wt20. Zampa was the best spinner in last year's edition.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Hasaranga, Shadab, Rashid all 3 have done well in this wt20. Zampa was the best spinner in last year's edition.

I am talking about Indian spinners

 

[jnaveen1980]

They are the perfect pace for swing. But if Buttler or Allen get ahold of them India could be in trouble.

If ball swings Buttler is a fish out of water.
So far he got out to Bhuvi
0(1)
9(6) 5
52(34)
0(1)
4(5)

2 first ball ducks. His worst nemesis is Bhuvi. But if there is no swing it is an open season for Buttler

 

[cricketjoshila]

The Indian bowlers have bowled well, bar the spinners.

The Axar Patel experiment is a big big failure. Hope it doesn't cost us a match in next 2 matches.

But we really miss Bumrah. Ideally if everyone was fit

Jadeja should have been the lone spinner at 7. Chahar at 8. Bumrah Arshdeep and Shami/Umran at 9 10 11.

Harshal Patel has no place in the squad.

 

[Front Foot Pull]

 

[rhony]

The Indian bowlers have bowled well, bar the spinners.

The Axar Patel experiment is a big big failure. Hope it doesn't cost us a match in next 2 matches.

But we really miss Bumrah. Ideally if everyone was fit

Jadeja should have been the lone spinner at 7. Chahar at 8. Bumrah Arshdeep and Shami/Umran at 9 10 11.

Harshal Patel has no place in the squad.

Next 2 matches? There is no way Axar Patel should be playing in the next match

 

[happydavy]

yes they are swinging it more. bhuvi is bowling tight and swinging, yet unable to not getting wickets upfront. can understand if he doesn't get them on a day its not swinging and he is not bowling well, but even on days he is bowling well? frustrating to be honest. Being economical is good but your opening bowler should also get wickets. Can't put all the burden of wickets on arshdeep. if bhuvi doesn't chip in, our middle overs will be thrashed. hope he picks a few in the next match.

When did Bhuvi ever take too many wickets? He's always been a defensive bowler and that's why i believe selecting him is always a defensive option. Yet i haven't ever understood the kind of love team management always had for him. In 2019 wc against Kiwis, they dropped Shami for Bhuvi, while the number of wickets per matches for Shami is extraordinary (almost 1.9 per match) and Bhuvi is below average (1.1 per match).

 

[the Great Khan]

This T20 lineup is a total anomaly. They just went with 'experience". This is far from the best bowling line up we can come up with. If India goes for raw pace they can come up with a completely different side. Harshal patel is a waste of space. Siraj should have been here. I still think India misses one fast bowler who can run through tail.

Very surprised you guys didn't try smd introduce more youngsters. Perhaps next wc. Bowling has been solid. Especially the young Sikh bowler. Good movement and smart bowler. I think he needs to add a bit more pace and he can be a good test bowler too.

I just feel the second spells need a bit more work. I think perhaps bhumra will help there. As he can bowl at any time..

 

[jnaveen1980]

When did Bhuvi ever take too many wickets? He's always been a defensive bowler and that's why i believe selecting him is always a defensive option. Yet i haven't ever understood the kind of love team management always had for him. In 2019 wc against Kiwis, they dropped Shami for Bhuvi, while the number of wickets per matches for Shami is extraordinary (almost 1.9 per match) and Bhuvi is below average (1.1 per match).

Shami is not a T20 bowler. He doesn't have a lot of variations. I don't think he bowls slower balls. He always bowls hittable line and length balls. Occasionally ball skids on and before batsman brings down the bat, ball sneaks in. Good Test bowler even ODI. But T20, you can set yourself up against him.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Very surprised you guys didn't try smd introduce more youngsters. Perhaps next wc. Bowling has been solid. Especially the young Sikh bowler. Good movement and smart bowler. I think he needs to add a bit more pace and he can be a good test bowler too.

I just feel the second spells need a bit more work. I think perhaps bhumra will help there. As he can bowl at any time..

Botched it big time. They had several series to test bowlers. But they gave this useless Avesh Khan chance again and again only to find out what we already knew that he is a Halwa bowler. Moshin khan was pretty much untouchable in this IPL season. Even guys like Rohit, Kohli were not really comfortable against him due to the bounce, movement, pace he generated.

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

Botched it big time. They had several series to test bowlers. But they gave this useless Avesh Khan chance again and again only to find out what we already knew that he is a Halwa bowler. Moshin khan was pretty much untouchable in this IPL season. Even guys like Rohit, Kohli were not really comfortable against him due to the bounce, movement, pace he generated.

True. They should have tried Mohsin way before Avesh and Umran. Mohsin with his extra pace and height would have been much effective in this woeld cup.

 

[Front Foot Pull]

Botched it big time. They had several series to test bowlers. But they gave this useless Avesh Khan chance again and again only to find out what we already knew that he is a Halwa bowler. Moshin khan was pretty much untouchable in this IPL season. Even guys like Rohit, Kohli were not really comfortable against him due to the bounce, movement, pace he generated.

ideally would've liked to see him get a chance instead of avesh but i have read many journalists and articles report that mohsin khan has been nursing a hamstring injury from long. so we can't simply blame the management. did he play any domestic cricket in the last few months?? SMAT or any other trophy?

 

[Hextro]

In group B they have the second slowest pacers, so the lack of pace might've helped them swing the ball more. Historically India produced a ton of these types of medium pacers.

 

[the Great Khan]

Botched it big time. They had several series to test bowlers. But they gave this useless Avesh Khan chance again and again only to find out what we already knew that he is a Halwa bowler. Moshin khan was pretty much untouchable in this IPL season. Even guys like Rohit, Kohli were not really comfortable against him due to the bounce, movement, pace he generated.

Aveesh seemed ordinary to me. That Mohshin looks interesting. Why not shove him and Umran into the t20 side..nothing to lose. They could have had success in Oz. You always have your batting to back you up. I find that India to this day don't manage their fast bowling very well. I dont know why.

Is the culture so batting heavy even today? I mean you only need two or three decent pacers. Bhumra isn't gonna last forever so why not try these guys..ajeeb..

 

[jnaveen1980]

Aveesh seemed ordinary to me. That Mohshin looks interesting. Why not shove him and Umran into the t20 side..nothing to lose. They could have had success in Oz. You always have your batting to back you up. I find that India to this day don't manage their fast bowling very well. I dont know why.

Is the culture so batting heavy even today? I mean you only need two or three decent pacers. Bhumra isn't gonna last forever so why not try these guys..ajeeb..

Problem is INdian is selection is based mostly on pecking order. Avesh khan has been on the radar for a while. So they went with him ignoring the fact that Moshin Khan comfortably outbowled Avesh who both bowled for the same side. Moshin's economy rate in IPL 2022 was 5.97 Same team Avesh 8.72, Chameera 9.5. Arshdeep is an exception as he was picked only for death bowling. Nobody knew he could bowl this well with new ball. Rahul Dravid is a conservative guy and new bowling coach Mambrey is another dud. With Ravi shastri/Bharat Arun India was the fastest bowling unit in Australia. Now back to old. Also Kohli has fascination for express pace bowlers. He loves backing them. Everything has gone topsy turvy since the management/leadership/coachin personnell changed. This bowling line up of India is probably one of the least suitable attack for Australian conditions. This is good for English conditions. Somehow India has managed it so far.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Aveesh seemed ordinary to me. That Mohshin looks interesting. Why not shove him and Umran into the t20 side..nothing to lose. They could have had success in Oz. You always have your batting to back you up. I find that India to this day don't manage their fast bowling very well. I dont know why.

Is the culture so batting heavy even today? I mean you only need two or three decent pacers. Bhumra isn't gonna last forever so why not try these guys..ajeeb..

Because, unfortunately, India likes to put fast bowlers through its system before actually giving them a long run in international cricket.

They expect a decent amount of FC cricket, 2 seasons of IPL etc. before they are given a shot.

I think our test attack has improved because of that but it has hurt us in LOIs.

I dont see us fast tracking young quicks the way Pakistan fast tracked Haris and Hasnain

 

[the Great Khan]

Problem is INdian is selection is based mostly on pecking order. Avesh khan has been on the radar for a while. So they went with him ignoring the fact that Moshin Khan comfortably outbowled Avesh who both bowled for the same side. Moshin's economy rate in IPL 2022 was 5.97 Same team Avesh 8.72, Chameera 9.5. Arshdeep is an exception as he was picked only for death bowling. Nobody knew he could bowl this well with new ball. Rahul Dravid is a conservative guy and new bowling coach Mambrey is another dud. With Ravi shastri/Bharat Arun India was the fastest bowling unit in Australia. Now back to old. Also Kohli has fascination for express pace bowlers. He loves backing them. Everything has gone topsy turvy since the management/leadership/coachin personnell changed. This bowling line up of India is probably one of the least suitable attack for Australian conditions. This is good for English conditions. Somehow India has managed it so far.

I remeber Ravi speaking about the era he played in. Facing all those greats and he's mates with imran etc. That attitude rubs off on you and you want to transmit it to your students.

Same with kohli. He has that fire in him..like a Pakistani.. that's why he gas so many fans in Pakistan.. hate when he kills us but he has that Pakistani thing we love in our bowlers..

Yu gotta get these fast bowlers in kow otherwise they will fizzle and be finished playing too much domestic

 

[Kianig89]

List of Phasst bowlers from India who everyone thought will surpass Akhtar in longevity and form a deadly duo like Lee & Tait

Umesh Yadav
Varon Aaron
Ashok Dinda
Abhimanyu Mithun

But like season flowers they all wilted
Only real pacer who actually proved a veteran is Ishant Sharma but they've treated him like a farmer's dartmoor

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Problem is INdian is selection is based mostly on pecking order. Avesh khan has been on the radar for a while. So they went with him ignoring the fact that Moshin Khan comfortably outbowled Avesh who both bowled for the same side. Moshin's economy rate in IPL 2022 was 5.97 Same team Avesh 8.72, Chameera 9.5. Arshdeep is an exception as he was picked only for death bowling. Nobody knew he could bowl this well with new ball. Rahul Dravid is a conservative guy and new bowling coach Mambrey is another dud. With Ravi shastri/Bharat Arun India was the fastest bowling unit in Australia. Now back to old. Also Kohli has fascination for express pace bowlers. He loves backing them. Everything has gone topsy turvy since the management/leadership/coachin personnell changed. This bowling line up of India is probably one of the least suitable attack for Australian conditions. This is good for English conditions. Somehow India has managed it so far.

Good post. Think it being winter has helped them a lot.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I remeber Ravi speaking about the era he played in. Facing all those greats and he's mates with imran etc. That attitude rubs off on you and you want to transmit it to your students.

Same with kohli. He has that fire in him..like a Pakistani.. that's why he gas so many fans in Pakistan.. hate when he kills us but he has that Pakistani thing we love in our bowlers..

Yu gotta get these fast bowlers in kow otherwise they will fizzle and be finished playing too much domestic

Kohli even made sure that fast bowlers get better seats for fast bowlers in the plane

https://www.sportingnews.com/au/cri...ts-michael-vaughan/1jmcr6rf2ilk51s5lbq024e4ea

Australia v India: Virat Kohli gives up business class seats for pace bowlers

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Um no. Over the last 5 years , we were the fastest attack to tour OZ in tests in terms of average pace - ahead of every other visiting side. Cricviz had an article on that.

By fast, I meant 'fast.' Not 142.

146-148+ consistently.

Just because other teams were slower at the time, doesn't mean India were fast. They were faster.

Bowlers who put the fear of afterlife in batsmen are fast.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

By fast, I meant 'fast.' Not 142.

146-148+ consistently.

Just because other teams were slower at the time, doesn't mean India were fast. They were faster.

Bowlers who put the fear of afterlife in batsmen are fast.

You dobt have to be that fast anywhere in test cricket. It's about maintaining good speeds along with accuracy. India's test maintained good speeds over long spells and were incredibly accurate.

And no bowler bowls 146-148 average speed in tests.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

You dobt have to be that fast anywhere in test cricket. It's about maintaining good speeds along with accuracy. India's test maintained good speeds over long spells and were incredibly accurate.

And no bowler bowls 146-148 average speed in tests.

I have acknowledged the potency of that Indian attack many times. That is not in question.

I also agree that not all bowlers in the attack have to be very fast.

But couple of bowlers in the line up who bowl in 146-148 territory consistently (1-2 balls every over) will make the attack fast. Otherwise it is a very good fast medium attack.

I think Mark Wood/Jofra Archer backed by couple of fast mediums will be a fast attack. Or Haris/Naseem/Hasnain or some combination thereof. Or Nortje/Rabada/Dwayne Olivier (before he trundled against India).

 

[Front Foot Pull]

I have acknowledged the potency of that Indian attack many times. That is not in question.

I also agree that not all bowlers in the attack have to be very fast.

But couple of bowlers in the line up who bowl in 146-148 territory consistently (1-2 balls every over) will make the attack fast. Otherwise it is a very good fast medium attack.

I think Mark Wood/Jofra Archer backed by couple of fast mediums will be a fast attack. Or Haris/Naseem/Hasnain or some combination thereof. Or Nortje/Rabada/Dwayne Olivier (before he trundled against India).

wood and nortje are the stand out names in that list, they both have sustained high pace in tests.
rabada has slowed down in the last year or so. doesn't often cross the 140 kph barrier in both tests and LOIs. in his case, the reputation of being quick in the past is stuck with the people.

 

[jnaveen1980]

You dobt have to be that fast anywhere in test cricket. It's about maintaining good speeds along with accuracy. India's test maintained good speeds over long spells and were incredibly accurate.

And no bowler bowls 146-148 average speed in tests.

Shami is very good in maintaining 140 plus for long period in Tests even in unforgiving conditions.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Shami is very good in maintaining 140 plus for long period in Tests even in unforgiving conditions.

No not recently. They have all declined in pace. Shami rarely bowls 140+ consistently now. 4 years back maybe. He's gotten slower. Even Bumrah and Ishant cabt sustain speeds now like they did back in 2018.

Will be a concern when we tour Australia next

 

[jnaveen1980]

No not recently. They have all declined in pace. Shami rarely bowls 140+ consistently now. 4 years back maybe. He's gotten slower. Even Bumrah and Ishant cabt sustain speeds now like they did back in 2018.

Will be a concern when we tour Australia next

He did most recently too. Dropped down a bit against England

 

[Nikhil_cric]

He did most recently too. Dropped down a bit against England


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Then he bowled fairly quick in that one off test. Where did you get this from? Because I was pretty sure that he wasn't able to sustain his speeds for some time now

 

[jnaveen1980]

Then he bowled fairly quick in that one off test. Where did you get this from? Because I was pretty sure that he wasn't able to sustain his speeds for some time now

This i found from a website. Shami's mechanics enable him to maintain the speed consistently. Even in SA during his 3rd or 4th spell he was still able to hit 140k with old ball. Also he has developed his stamina.