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Have to give them credit that despite not being on same levels skills wise as some of the best bowling sides, Indian bowlers more often than not step it up and give a performance greater than the sum of their parts
 
Totally agree. They are mentally strong.

But talking about this match, it is not easy to score once the new ball has lost it's shine.
 
90MPH said:
They bowled well at the end but quite poor at the start.
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So you have to appreciate them even more that despite being almost 50/0 after 4 overs they made such an awesome recovery

:bow
 
Lot depends on who is setting the fielding & who is instructing the bowlers - last 10 years, it was MS; I 'll wait till he retires.
 
They bowl within their limitations, they bowl to the captains plan and field settings, they also do their homework on the opposition batsman and place their top fielders in important positions.

This is called professionalism. Something Waqar and Afridi will never be familiar with.
 
Agreed, so called "trundlers" bowled much better than the Much talked about Pakistan bowling pace attack. They definitely have done extremely well in this tournament.
 
It clicks because there are some serious skills in these bowlers that a lot of fans around the world do not like to acknowledge.

It clicked in Australia bilaterals, it clicked in Asia cup.. and now it is continuing to click in the world cup.
 
Paks bowling was ahead of India in t20 and one day cricket but that was with Ajmal and Hafeez

Wahab, Sami and irfan are not consistent and extremely expensive bowlers who don't have much variety and can't reverse swing much

India bowlers over the last year has been far superior
 
Slog said:
So you have to appreciate them even more that despite being almost 50/0 after 4 overs they made such an awesome recovery

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Well let's see, I think 160 is a decent score on this wicket.
 
Doctored pitches help their cause

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Pakistanis can learn alot from Indian bowling. It's not about pace, bouncers or height its'about taking wickets. An Imran Khan jr or Sohail Khan would have been a lot better in this format than an Irfan or Sami.

A tough lesson but I hope the selectors learn something.
 
Zak_Fan said:
It clicks because there are some serious skills in these bowlers that a lot of fans around the world do not like to acknowledge.

It clicked in Australia bilaterals, it clicked in Asia cup.. and now it is continuing to click in the world cup.
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I think, more than skill it's the understanding the condition which stands for me. Today, the ground was larger & I saw lots of slow bouncer just out side off - these are the balls almost impossible to clear on a large ground & slower wicket. Same condition, you would have seen PAK trio trying to beat the Speed Gun & ball would have nicely come on to bat.
 
Unfortunately some other team has the tag of Best Bowling Attack in the World. :batman:
 
India have a great captain and also an exceptional fielding unit. Give Pakistan a dhoni and these fielder they will perform way better with the ball
 
Indian bowlers uses much more variations in ODI/T20 be it spinners (Ashwin) or pacers (Nehra & Bhumra) as compared to pakistani bowlers.(This results in more dot balls/singles and eventually gives you a wicket) So they are most likely to do well in shorter format.
In tests same cannot be said.
 
Zak_Fan said:
It clicks because there are some serious skills in these bowlers that a lot of fans around the world do not like to acknowledge.

It clicked in Australia bilaterals, it clicked in Asia cup.. and now it is continuing to click in the world cup.
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#PakistaniFanLogic

Our batsmen are talented but lack technique and temperament.

Our bowlers are more talented than other bowlers but they lack brains.
 
Pak bowling also can't handle the pressure on big occasions. This is very evident and has been for years
 
LastManstanding said:
#PakistaniFanLogic

Our batsmen are talented but lack technique and temperament.

Our bowlers are more talented than other bowlers but they lack brains.
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# Indian fans logic

Chest thump and show ultra nationalistic colours at every opportunity.
 
LastManstanding said:
#PakistaniFanLogic

Our batsmen are talented but lack technique and temperament.

Our bowlers are more talented than other bowlers but they lack brains.
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Yup, this is what makes them feel better.

They think their bowlers are brainless... but the reality is, the only reason Wahab and Sami failed is because Paksitan didn't have a single talented bowler who could exploit these conditions.

If India played Umesh and Aaron, they would have failed too. But thankfully, we have bowlers like Nehra, Bumrah and Bhuvi who can be successful in these pitches.
 
Zak_Fan said:
Yup, this is what makes them feel better.

They think their bowlers are brainless... but the reality is, the only reason Wahab and Sami failed is because Paksitan didn't have a single talented bowler who could exploit these conditions.

If India played Umesh and Aaron, they would have failed too. But thankfully, we have bowlers like Nehra, Bumrah and Bhuvi who can be successful in these pitches.
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The only problem with this thinking of yours is that it's not only Pakistan fans who rate our bowling and underrate yours. Most neutral experts do.

As far as batting is concerned you guys are right that no one rates them and Pakistanis who call themselves talented but brainless use it as a defence mechanism
 
Some one jealous because they don't have option to show their nationality due to their average team.
 
LastManstanding said:
#PakistaniFanLogic

Our batsmen are talented but lack technique and temperament.

Our bowlers are more talented than other bowlers but they lack brains.
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Just having ability is not enough if you don't know how to apply yourself. These players are close to the best in Pakistan.
 
Slog said:
The only problem with this thinking of yours is that it's not only Pakistan fans who rate our bowling and underrate yours. Most neutral experts do.

As far as batting is concerned you guys are right that no one rates them and Pakistanis who call themselves talented but brainless use it as a defence mechanism
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Why do you think Wahab and Sami failed in India? Is it because they are stupid.. or is it because they were not the right bowlers for the conditions?

It isn't about Indian bowlers being smarter, but it is about India having bowlers for all conditions. We had Umesh, Shami and Ishant in Australia. Bhuvi, Nehra and Bumrah in Asia. Not to forget Ashwin and Jadeja.

Compare this to Pakistan. In Australia, you play Wahab/Irfan. In India, you play Wahab/Irfan/Sami. You don't have bowlers for Indian conditions. It isn't about Pakistani bowlers being dumb, it is about them not being good enough.
 
Zak_Fan said:
Why do you think Wahab and Sami failed in India? Is it because they are stupid.. or is it because they were not the right bowlers for the conditions?

It isn't about Indian bowlers being smarter, but it is about India having bowlers for all conditions. We had Umesh, Shami and Ishant in Australia. Bhuvi, Nehra and Bumrah in Asia. Not to forget Ashwin and Jadeja.

Compare this to Pakistan. In Australia, you play Wahab/Irfan. In India, you play Wahab/Irfan/Sami. You don't have bowlers for Indian conditions. It isn't about Pakistani bowlers being dumb, it is about them not being good enough.
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Yes they are dumb and inconsistent. They have an up and down record everywhere and so don't bowl according to the conditions amen situations
 
I think on a similar pitch, with a supposedly world class attack we were hit for 190, and their attack has given 30 runs less (160..). I think from the perspective of quality, we have an over-rated attack, and India has an under-rated attack.
 
Last year 2015 WC semifinal they didn't do well.. But yes they didn't underperformed even in that game.
 
aabbasi said:
I think on a similar pitch, with a supposedly world class attack we were hit for 190, and their attack has given 30 runs less (160..). I think from the perspective of quality, we have an over-rated attack, and India has an under-rated attack.
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Similar pitch? :))) It was the SAME damn pitch bro.
 
For a start India's spin attack is light years ahead of ours. I reckon Yuvi who surprisingly rarely gets a bowl looks far more threatening than any of our spinners selected in this WC.

Their seamers know their limitations and bowl according to the field Dhoni sets them.

Other than Aamir we never went in with a reliable attack. You simply cannot rely on Riaz, Sami and Irfan. Consistency has never been their forte.

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What is the skill level people keep harping on ?

Bumrah bowled 6 Yorkers when it mattered against Bangla where as you see Riaz bowling short pitch regardless or Sami bowling no balls at crucial junctures.

Indian spinners turn the ball not just quick darts.

Define skill please???
 
aabbasi said:
I think on a similar pitch, with a supposedly world class attack we were hit for 190, and their attack has given 30 runs less (160..). I think from the perspective of quality, we have an over-rated attack, and India has an under-rated attack.
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You are discounting Indian fielding which is easily amongst the best in the world. So, in addition to Indian bowlers bowling to a plan, we have fielders who complete and complement the hjob. Pakistan lacks in both. But not having a bowling plan, you can give excuses like Pakistan not being exposed much to international cricket. But whats the excuse for fielding standards?
 
blue_champion said:
What is the skill level people keep harping on ?

Bumrah bowled 6 Yorkers when it mattered against Bangla where as you see Riaz bowling short pitch regardless or Sami bowling no balls at crucial junctures.

Indian spinners turn the ball not just quick darts.

Define skill please???
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Barring Aamir the rest of our pacers have very little skill.

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India is a mentally strong team and there is always less pressure on them because they know they have a strong batting line-up.

Pakistan has a superior bowling line-up but they are mentally weak. With joke of a batting line-up, the bowlers are always under pressure and it affects their performance.
 
The_Odd_One said:
India is a mentally strong team and there is always less pressure on them because they know they have a strong batting line-up.

Pakistan has a superior bowling line-up but they are mentally weak. With joke of a batting line-up, the bowlers are always under pressure and it affects their performance.
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Unfortunately that's not true. Our bowlers lack basic skills such as yorkers, variation of pace and mental toughness.

Irfan and Wahab only know how to hit the deck hard and Sami falls apart as soon as he gets hit for one boundary.



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Yes... This is the reason we perform well everytime in ICC tournaments.

And for a fact, since 2011 in every ICC tournament we have not lost more than one match.

In 2011, lost just against SA

2012 T20 WC, 2013 not lost even once, 2014 T20 WC lost in final, n 2015 lost in semifinal

And in this WC we already have lost a match so expect us to win the cup :))
 
Ankit007 said:
Yes... This is the reason we perform well everytime in ICC tournaments.

And for a fact, since 2011 in every ICC tournament we have not lost more than one match.

In 2011, lost just against SA

2012 T20 WC, 2013 not lost even once, 2014 T20 WC lost in final, n 2015 lost in semifinal

And in this WC we already have lost a match so expect us to win the cup :))
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Which World event was staged in 2013? I probably missed that one.

India lost to Australia in 2012 World T20.
 
MMHS said:
Lot depends on who is setting the fielding & who is instructing the bowlers - last 10 years, it was MS; I 'll wait till he retires.
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This. MSD does all the thinking and planning for our bowlers. Plus our fielding is infinitely better than Pakistans fielding.
 
The_Odd_One said:
India is a mentally strong team and there is always less pressure on them because they know they have a strong batting line-up.

Pakistan has a superior bowling line-up but they are mentally weak. With joke of a batting line-up, the bowlers are always under pressure and it affects their performance.
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Likewise why don't your batsmen perform freely knowing you have world class bowlers to defend?
 
India's bowling has been better than ours for the last 3 years.Plus, the Indians are very mentally tough.

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Seen Sheen;8554803[B said:
]Which World event was staged in 2013?[/B] I probably missed that one.

India lost to Australia in 2012 World T20.
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2013 Champions trophy that was our comeback tournament we went undefeated and probably the best Indian side considering form in LOI.
 
JaDed said:
2013 Champions trophy that was our comeback tournament we went undefeated and probably the best Indian side considering form in LOI.
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Our 2011 team was much better

2013 team had Karthick at no.4 and Jadeja at 7
 
India are lead by a world class captain who knows how to put pressure on the opponents with excellent fielding placements. He utilises the strengths of his bowlers to which can generate a lot of dot balls and then leading to to wickets. Pak needs someone like that, our bowlers are definitely better but we lack professionalism.
 
Quite true. The whole team consistently raises their game when any big ICC tournament starts.
 
I accept , they outclass everyone when it comes to major tournaments...I must say they have a wonderful coaching staff and the good thing is you don't really get to hear about them much.
 
Zak_Fan said:
It clicks because there are some serious skills in these bowlers that a lot of fans around the world do not like to acknowledge.

It clicked in Australia bilaterals, it clicked in Asia cup.. and now it is continuing to click in the world cup.
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It clicked in World cup 2015 as well
 
Executioner said:
India have a great captain and also an exceptional fielding unit. Give Pakistan a dhoni and these fielder they will perform way better with the ball
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A fielding unit IS PART OF THE BOWLING UNIT just like STAYING FIT AND RUNNING FAST IS PART OF BATTING UNIT.
why GIVE this fielding unit
 
Zak_Fan said:
It clicks because there are some serious skills in these bowlers that a lot of fans around the world do not like to acknowledge.

It clicked in Australia bilaterals, it clicked in Asia cup.. and now it is continuing to click in the world cup.
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Like bowling the slower off cutter?
 
Rana said:
Like bowling the slower off cutter?
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And bowling yorkers.

And swinging the ball.

And not to mention.. the spin.

Something Pakistani shooperstars haven't been doing for a while. :wahab
 
aslaisnomasla said:
I accept , they outclass everyone when it comes to major tournaments...I must say they have a wonderful coaching staff and the good thing is you don't really get to hear about them much.
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I dont think India has a coach since last WC.

Yes there is support staff but no major big name coach.
 
I think Dhonis calmness steel and field palcements makes up for whatever the bowlers lack.

Hopefully this is his last tournament and then Kohli becomes captain and the ordinariness of his bowlers starts to affect his batting.

Dhoni has the art of defensive captaincy on lock and Kohli will not work like that, but Dhoni only does what suits the bowling he has so it will be interesting to see how Kohli goes with these bowlers.

I do genuinely feel that it is Dhoni who makes the difference here and he plays the pressure game better than anybody so it is in the weorld tournaments where this stands out even more
 
Indian bowlers are the least of the talented lot. But, they are disciplined which mostly helps. Barring Ashwin, none are wicket taking bowlers. They mostly concentrate on containing the opposition batsmen.
 
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