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Around 30 are confirmed dead.
It seems local administration underestimated the situation.
It seems local administration underestimated the situation.
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Around 30 are confirmed dead.
It seems local administration underestimated the situation.
Local administration didn't underestimate, they were incompetent. Every one expected this situation, but they still couldn't control the situation. lakhs of people had descended on panchukla in the last 2 days, everyone knew what these idiots will do if the verdict was not in their favour.
Local administration did a great job. If they had used excessive force, it would have spiralled beyond control. This much casualty was expected. Personally think it is a political decision because he was getting too powerful.
You are posting on the net, so one assumes you are not illiterate. Go do your own research on this rapist, and do not be so intellectually lazy.
I love adopting morally superior tones with those who are morally bankrupt - so I could not care less what you think or say. Your response is a disgrace, and if I did not know better, would conclude that all Indian men are either rapists or supporters of them.
As a woman, I strongly object to the sub-Continental male mentality, that seeks proof of a women's innocence, but believes without question a man's innocence, when accused of mistreating females.
That he has many high profile followers. Just that the pic was doing the rounds on FB.
yup, no violence in chandigarh as far as i know, at least not in my area, just precautionary measures taken by police and people who stayed indoors mostly.
I doubt you've seen the statements (of at least two women/victims), or any corroborating evidence. I'm betting that the victims gave enough details (for example, aspects of his physique, and/or marks on his body, and/or layout of his private chambers etc) that gave credibility to the victims statements.You come with lots of presumptions. I did research and found that the only evidence was what the "victim" said. In a world where witnesses are bought and there are people who want to pull others down, I think it is a flimsy ground to pronounce judgement on. But you, like many others, have made up of your mind, that the baba must be a rapist because of the sub continental male mentality, or because all powerful people are bad and must be brought down. It is a travesty of justice if someone can accuse me of a crime, and I will be imprisoned for 8 years just because she said so. Seems like my life means nothing at the altar of sacrifice to please the intellectual mafia just because historically women have suffered and the powerful have gotten away with crime.
I doubt you've seen the statements (of at least two women/victims), or any corroborating evidence. I'm betting that the victims gave enough details (for example, aspects of his physique, and/or marks on his body, and/or layout of his private chambers etc) that gave credibility to the victims statements.
Thirty people died because a rapist got sentenced for rape?
South Asia is really the hell hole of the world.
Well, this babaji was a man with a lot of money and clout. So one would assume that he did hire a crack legal team to fight his case, and must put a lot of money into it. Despite all this, if the judiciary still believes that the baba raped then the evidence against him must have been pretty overwhelming.
The fact that the baba's highly paid legal luminaries could do nothing to influence the judgement in his favor also confirms this.
The Indian judiciary may be corrupt and favoring the rich, but even they won't close their eyes to strong evidence. A lot of rich Indian criminals are rightfully in jail, and this can only mean that the judiciary does work, notwithstanding all the criticism levelled against it.
The baba ji talks of ram and raheem, which is the opposite of what BJP wants. I think there are bigger powers at play who want to kill this sect, which was popular among women and the downtrodden.
The baba ji talks of ram and raheem, which is the opposite of what BJP wants. I think there are bigger powers at play who want to kill this sect, which was popular among women and the downtrodden.
oh come on, BJP took this guy's support in Haryana, Punjab and Delhi elections.
and all the claim about 50mn followers are fake as well.
this baba claimed he had 20 lakh devotees in Delhi, and asked them all to vote for BJP in 2015 assembly elections, and we all know what happened 67-3.
he exaggerate his followers to fool political parties to get favors from them.
I am not sure, mayeb the Punjabis/Haryanvis here can confirm, but I've heard that the worshipers of this Baba and the Dera Sauda Sacha are mainly the lower caste Sikhs of Punjab / Haryana, who see him as some sort of savior figure, who's actually done a lot in the past for the poor and women, giving them employment and such.
So the political / social alienation felt by certain communities is also a reason for the rise of "personality cults" in the country. Their insecurities are manipulated by people like GRR.
He supported amrinder in punjab and khattar in haryana. maybe his devotees vote with their own mind and only look at him for spiritual guidance. Baba ji is no worse than many religious figures, in fact better in some regards.
you know nothing Jon snow. baba supported Cong/amrinder in 2007 but after that he has always supported BJP in Punjab elections. actually this was one of the big reasons even Akali dal lost major support in Punjab(among sikhs?) BJP of Akali-bjp clan took Baba's support, and Akali leaders were not able to defend that(as Sikh don't like this baba)
Thirty people died because a rapist got sentenced for rape?
South Asia is really the hell hole of the world.
This is not a caste issue. it's due to illiteracy. if I start posting this Baba's intellectual sermons most people will die laughing, but still many uneducated people follow him irrespective of caste, I have seen Sikh jats followers, high caste Hindu followers. why does most of these Baba's are found in North India and not in South? because good literacy rates there, and why does among North Indians only punjab-haryana-delhi based Baba's are rich /influential? because we have rich uneducated people here.The upper castes don't want the lower castes to grow out of their fold. Which explains why the upper castes are hating Baba ji.
So baba's support to BJP cost BJP and helped Amrinder. I know why upper caste sikhs don't like him, which is their prerogative. I am less concerned about the Baba (if he is indeed guilty), but I respect the sect Dera Sachcha Sauda, and hope new leadership arises which continues the good work.
This is not a caste issue. it's due to illiteracy. if I start posting this Baba's intellectual sermons most people will die laughing, but still many uneducated people follow him irrespective of caste, I have seen Sikh jats followers, high caste Hindu followers. why does most of these Baba's are found in North India and not in South? because good literacy rates there, and why does among North Indians only punjab-haryana-delhi based Baba's are rich /influential? because we have rich uneducated people here.
So baba's support to BJP cost BJP and helped Amrinder. I know why upper caste sikhs don't like him, which is their prerogative. I am less concerned about the Baba (if he is indeed guilty), but I respect the sect Dera Sachcha Sauda, and hope new leadership arises which continues the good work.
This is not a caste issue. it's due to illiteracy. if I start posting this Baba's intellectual sermons most people will die laughing, but still many uneducated people follow him irrespective of caste, I have seen Sikh jats followers, high caste Hindu followers. why does most of these Baba's are found in North India and not in South? because good literacy rates there, and why does among North Indians only punjab-haryana-delhi based Baba's are rich /influential? because we have rich uneducated people here.
The south has its fair share of babas, remember nithyananda?
1 or 2 may be. but I know at least 10-12 dera of different Baba's near my house
Not 1 or 2, there are many, and you just look at the wealth of nithyananda, his sex video with a south actress was leaked but still his followers think that their baba is a pure soul who wouldn't indulge in such activities, I have stayed in south four 4 years, babas are very much present in south India
This is not a caste issue. it's due to illiteracy. if I start posting this Baba's intellectual sermons most people will die laughing, but still many uneducated people follow him irrespective of caste, I have seen Sikh jats followers, high caste Hindu followers. why does most of these Baba's are found in North India and not in South? because good literacy rates there, and why does among North Indians only punjab-haryana-delhi based Baba's are rich /influential? because we have rich uneducated people here.
Also if you look at the followers of nithyananada then many of them include white foreigners from US, Canada, europe, so your literacy argument won't hold there
Let me entertain your idea that Dera is hated because of the good intentions of the educated intellectuals who want people to follow only the established religions and not to start following a new entrant. Obviously it is not about competition and wanting to keep people under your monopoly. Obviously, any dharmic sect must be backward. Even then, the illiterate and misguided have the right to follow whoever they want. The DERA must be doing something which is attracting them towards it. The powers to be want DERA to be eradicated and won't let someone new continue the charity work. Let us see how far they can go and if there is payback.
so why do you think people follow these Baba's ? when there sex videos have gone viral?
Sad that the followers of Dera haven't been afforded the status of having a religion, otherwise people would not so easily dehumanize them and call them backwards and get away with it.
I wonder why Pakistanis are so surprised at Indians supporting their judiciary?
This is not a caste issue. it's due to illiteracy. if I start posting this Baba's intellectual sermons most people will die laughing, but still many uneducated people follow him irrespective of caste, I have seen Sikh jats followers, high caste Hindu followers. why does most of these Baba's are found in North India and not in South? because good literacy rates there, and why does among North Indians only punjab-haryana-delhi based Baba's are rich /influential? because we have rich uneducated people here.
One more thing I forgot to add about the literacy argument, I am from chandigarh and even I went to one of the babas here because my family forced me to and I saw who's who of chandigarh at that gathering, DCs, SPs, Big businessmen even navjot siddhu came to take blessing of the baba, so this baba culture has nothing to do with literacy, I wonder how these babas manage to convince such powerful people, they must have some power I guess.
baba is going to be in deeper trouble, he has two murder cases against his name aswell, one of the victims brother got murdered. and a journalist who published letters of victims First time in newspapers also got killed one day. but hey, we must hail this baba as Godman and curse judiciary, which after long time has started doing its job correctly.Pakistani judiciary is much better than the indian one, which is rotten to the core.
One more thing I forgot to add about the literacy argument, I am from chandigarh and even I went to one of the babas here because my family forced me to and I saw who's who of chandigarh at that gathering, DCs, SPs, Big businessmen even navjot siddhu came to take blessing of the baba, so this baba culture has nothing to do with literacy, I wonder how these babas manage to convince such powerful people, they must have some power I guess.
baba is going to be in deeper trouble, he has two murder cases against his name aswell, one of the victims brother got murdered. and a journalist who published letters of victims First time in newspapers also got killed one day. but hey, we must hail this baba as Godman and curse judiciary, which after long time has started doing its job correctly.
This is not a caste issue. it's due to illiteracy. if I start posting this Baba's intellectual sermons most people will die laughing, but still many uneducated people follow him irrespective of caste, I have seen Sikh jats followers, high caste Hindu followers. why does most of these Baba's are found in North India and not in South? because good literacy rates there, and why does among North Indians only punjab-haryana-delhi based Baba's are rich /influential? because we have rich uneducated people here.
Many babas do practise secret tantric vidhyas which give them hypnotising energy and aura.
It is your victory so you can rejoice, as the baba you hated is in jail and the sect you don't want is going to be in trouble. Waiting for the day when the judiciary grows some balls and sentences the perpetrators of 84 and 92 riots, jails powerful politicians and bollywood mafia and brings justice to the masses. I know I won't ever get to rejoice, so hey at least someone is happy.
This is not a caste issue. it's due to illiteracy. if I start posting this Baba's intellectual sermons most people will die laughing, but still many uneducated people follow him irrespective of caste, I have seen Sikh jats followers, high caste Hindu followers. why does most of these Baba's are found in North India and not in South? because good literacy rates there, and why does among North Indians only punjab-haryana-delhi based Baba's are rich /influential? because we have rich uneducated people here.
I'm happy that a rapist is going to jail, he tried to flex his muscles, dragged this case for 15 years, tried to threaten judiciary by inviting 1 lakh of his followers around CBI court, but failed.
judicial system has long long way to go, believe me, I would be 1000x more happy if justice is given to the victims of 1984 Sikh genocide, 2002 and 1992.
Wrong. There are enough educated people following him. And think on the big picture, there are also cases on Tejpal or Salman Khan. Now, those were vigorously defended by educated, and well-mannered individuals. Remember how many were saying so what if he killed one, he also saved many through his humanitarian work. It's not just the babas, but many other spectrum of work.
Wrong. There are enough educated people following him. And think on the big picture, there are also cases on Tejpal or Salman Khan. Now, those were vigorously defended by educated, and well-mannered individuals. Remember how many were saying so what if he killed one, he also saved many through his humanitarian work. It's not just the babas, but many other spectrum of work.
Sonakshi Sinha: Terrible news. Dnt knw wht to say except tht will stand by @BeingSalmanKhan no matter what. Hes a good man and no 1 can tk tht away frm him.
Alia Bhatt: We love you and are standing by you.
Varun Dhawan: I won't comment on the courts judgement. But salman Bhai has the biggest heart and is the most helpful person in this industry
Riteish Deshmukh: Not commenting on courts verdict- but my heart goes out 2 @BeingSalmanKhan :large hearted & 1 of d finest people I hv met in this industry.
Parineeti Chopra: Hurts to think of what could happen. We will always be with you. Hope the judge sees the beauty of a human being that Salman Khan is.
Arjun Kapoor: It doesn't matter what anyone or any court says he doesn't deserve this at any level...will stand by @BeingSalmanKhan no matter what...
This is what the intellectual bollywood mafia said when salman khan was convicted in 2002 hit and run case.
Obviously, they are the educated and intellectual class, so the support was justified. Support for baba is regressive.
This is what the intellectual bollywood mafia said when salman khan was convicted in 2002 hit and run case.
Obviously, they are the educated and intellectual class, so the support was justified. Support for baba is regressive.
I wonder why Pakistanis are so surprised at Indians supporting their judiciary?
As I understand it his organisation the Dera Sacha Sauda was founded by a guy from Baluchistan in the 1940s called Mastana Balochistani. He was a disciple of someone called Sawan Singh (one of the founders of the Radha Soami sect of Sikhism although these days there are many who claim the Radha Soamis are not real Sikhs).
The Radha Soami bloke instructed his pupil Balochistani to go and feed the poor, give water to the thirsty etc etc. So he built tens of ashrams across northern India primarily where they taught meditation but where they'd also feed people. It was extremely popular because they genuinely didn't care about people's castes and backgrounds so anyone was welcome.
Fast forward to the early 1990s and Balochistani was long gone and his successor Satnam Singh had died too so up pops Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh. For a long time he was just another Indian 'godman' however he's really courted publicity in recent years.
I think he's a crackpot and fraud however his organisation clearly do good work especially for the poor and vulnerable. Then again they can afford to given the number of followers they have and the money that brings in.
Mainstream Sikhs don't like him because they think he's going against the basics tenants of Sikhism in many of the things he does (for example promoting idol worship). Moreover Sikhs consider their holy text the SGGS as their final Guru (much like the finality of prophet-hood within Islam) and see such a person as a challenge to their religion - they see him as competition essentially.
I find it quite funny that people are quite happy to accept a guru or god who happened to live hundreds/thousands of years ago sometimes just on the basis of how many followers the person had yet when someone pops up in modern times and claims to be a guru or whatever these very same people start shouting blasphemy/our guru is bigger than your guru.
I don't care one bit regarding the judiciary.
The only thing supriszing is this rioting, burning and killing this baba is getting after he's been convicted for rape.
Also, don't hide the happiness that millions who followed a sect you did not approve of, will be now without a leader, with no replacement coming. Exactly the way you would have wanted. Cheers to the judiciary! They may be cowards elsewhere but they have shown exemplary courage for once.
why do you assume all people who support this judgement also support Salman Khan and don't want justice for 84,2002 and 1992?
I don't care one bit regarding the judiciary.
The only thing supriszing is this rioting, burning and killing this baba is getting after he's been convicted for rape.
The entire financial loss will be recovered from the organisation this baba ran.It has billions of dollars.The court has ordered that.
We are yet to get any info regarding the identity of the dead.
Billions ?? So he was that popular
Yeah more propaganda. Ok we believe you.
1. there are many deras in Punjab, I don't agree with there ideology, but I don't hate them either.I don't assume that. The only assumption I have regarding you that you don't like Dera Sachcha Sauda and would be happy if it was disbanded.
The other point is that it is wrong to hail the judiciary when it has so much blood on its hands. Also there are double standards involved. The bollywood elite get away by supporting killers and are not shamed by the mainstream media, like the followers of Dera have been.
1. there are many deras in Punjab, I don't agree with there ideology, but I don't hate them either.
2. this baba might be a new phenomena to you, but here in Punjab he is quite popular and people knew of these case before it became national media sensation. so he was already seen as Villain.(that's why negative impact on Akali dal aswell)
3. if Bollywood celebrities or certain actors fan come in between a judicial process, I would support police to take strict action against them aswell.
4. media is not everything, deep down everyone know who was driving that car, that day. don't you see comedians making jokes about that incident day in day out?
5. judiciary have a long long way to go, 15 years taken for this case , already prove glaring errors in our system. but still we can salute this particular judge for not getting threatened by Baba's tactics.
6. I hope dera finds a new leader who do not rape his/her followers, who teach them right path, path of peace and not violence just to save his/her own a$$
So I was wrong in my assumption about you. Disagree with your point that people know who is the crook even if they go scot free.
1. People don't really know. 2. It matters nothing to the politician if he is joked about, as his core constituency supports him. If such people are not brought to justice, there is no point about going gaga about the indian judiciary. I have known a handful of high court judges, and they had a price for which they can be bought. One of them was an anti corruption judge.
who exactly is going gaga about judicial system other than some usual suspects? even news media was showing yesterday how CBI officials were pressurized to slow proceedings of this case.
here in Punjab there is a very popular saying "vkeel ki krna, judge hi kr lo" ("no need to hire a lawyer, when we can hire a judge ")
but when in any particular case a judge shows some spine we need to Pat his back.
if Zimbabwe cricket team wins a match, do you believe it's Fan's shouldn't celebrate just because Zim have poor record ? no man of the match should be given?
https://youtu.be/seO-GpGXrKM
Pakistan media reporting on baba ram rahim singh.