Indian invincibility at home

[Savak]

Can't remember the last time they lost a test series at home after the 2012 England defeat barring the ODI series defeat to Australia in 2019.

That is an insane beastly track record which perhaps even the almighty Australians from 1999 to 2007 didn't achieve.

Why do Western teams struggle so badly in India? Over a period of ten years, it is not very hard to figure out what pitches and conditions they will expect in India ie true batting friendly pitches which turn into dustbowls.

Is it because they don't have quality spinners who pose a rentless threat to the Indian batsmen? Is it because they don't have pacers skillful at using reverse swing? Is it because they don't have enough skillful batsmen capable of handling and negotiating spin or reverse swing? Is it because of negative captaincy where the tactics that work in England, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa just are incompatible with Indian conditions?

Imo the Indian batting line up is perhaps not as strong as it was in the early 2000's but the biggest difference has been the fact that they have everything in the bowling department ie fit fiery fast bowlers good with the new ball, capable of reversing the ball at 90 mph pace, capable of bowling lengthy spells, right arm leg spin, quality left arm spin of Jadeja, Patel and aggressive attacking captaincy from Kohli.

 

[Buffet]

Can't remember the last time they lost a test series at home after the 2012 England defeat barring the ODI series defeat to Australia in 2019.

That is an insane beastly track record which perhaps even the almighty Australians from 1999 to 2007 didn't achieve.

Why do Western teams struggle so badly in India? Over a period of ten years, it is not very hard to figure out what pitches and conditions they will expect in India ie true batting friendly pitches which turn into dustbowls.

Is it because they don't have quality spinners who pose a rentless threat to the Indian batsmen? Is it because they don't have pacers skillful at using reverse swing? Is it because they don't have enough skillful batsmen capable of handling and negotiating spin or reverse swing? Is it because of negative captaincy where the tactics that work in England, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa just are incompatible with Indian conditions?

Imo the Indian batting line up is perhaps not as strong as it was in the early 2000's but the biggest difference has been the fact that they have everything in the bowling department ie fit fiery fast bowlers good with the new ball, capable of reversing the ball at 90 mph pace, capable of bowling lengthy spells, right arm leg spin, quality left arm spin of Jadeja, Patel and aggressive attacking captaincy from Kohli.

Since 2016, India at home:

Bowling has averaged below 24 per wicket.
Batting has averaged above 45 per wicket.

Visiting teams have to get lucky or play extremely well to win.

It's not just spinners,

Shami has 50 wickets at 22 apiece
Yadav has 75 wickets at 25 apiece
Sharma has 40 wickets at 26 apiece
Kumar has 18 wickets at 20 apiece

Plus

Best pair of spinners in history as a pair. Ashwin and Jadeja average 22-23 per wicket.

It is not hard to see why teams don't win tests in India. They have lost only 2 tests out of 30.

 

[Buffet]

If collectively visiting teams can get wickets 25 apiece and score some runs then they can win.

 

[shah_1]

The lack of quality spinners from the opposition is the reason. Ijaz despite bowling well, didn't have the any support.

 

[Ab Fan]

It is the combination of both from the opposition- lack of quality spinners and lack of quality batsman who can play spin well.

The closet any team was to winning/drawing the series was Australia in 2017. They had a world class spinner in Nathan Lyon and a great batsman like Steve Smith at its peak. Unfortunately, he was not supported enough by the second best batsman of his team, David Warner and rest were just not good enough to take the game away from India in Indian conditions.

Joe Root's team was not too bad either early this year especially the form he was going through and coming from 2-0 win in Sri Lanka but he made some mistakes in selections and his captaincy strategies in the India series,thinking of the pink ball test as his best bet to win the game and resting Anderson/Archer in second test. This resting of player worked for them at home but obviously if they have to win overseas, they have to be at their best in all tests and then they could have been able to win two of four tests which they just weren't. Also, neither of the two spinners were world class but felt they just let India take the momentum away with the second test.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

They’ve lose few t20 series and if I’m not wrong lost to SA too

 

[street cricketer]

They’ve lose few t20 series and if I’m not wrong lost to SA too

I think the thread pertains to only Test cricket. Hard to be invincible in a format like T20.

 

[Mamoon]

Post 2015 India is the greatest Asian Test team of all time. It is unreasonable and unrealistic to expect teams to beat them on their own turf.

Even the 70s and 80s West Indies would have been battered by Kohli’s India in India because of the lack of proper spinner.

 

[Mobashir]

Post 2015 India is the greatest Asian Test team of all time. It is unreasonable and unrealistic to expect teams to beat them on their own turf.

Even the 70s and 80s West Indies would have been battered by Kohli’s India in India because of the lack of proper spinner.

Plus an ATG batting line up with Pujara and Rahane!
Long time didn't saw you in Rahane's threads, hope you are fine!

 

[Justcrazy]

If you want to beat India in India you need to have following

A couple of good spinners

Middle-order that can play spin well.

Lower order can contribute some runs.

One solid pace bowler who can reverse.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

If you want to beat India in India you need to have following

A couple of good spinners

Middle-order that can play spin well.

Lower order can contribute some runs.

One solid pace bowler who can reverse.

And a curator.

 

[Sachin136]

"At home" should be expanded to "in Asia". As far as I remember, India hasn't lost a test series in Asia since that 2012 series against England. And the only drawn series was a one match series in Bangladesh in 2015.

 

[sam_ahm]

I think it is more about opposition players unable to play spin. That's not taking anything away from Indian batsmen or fast bowlers though.

If we look at the series post that England win in 2012, you'd find most of the time opposition teams have struggled to put up decent scores on the board.

India haven't necessarily scored big, but opposition have been struggling to put up even 200 on board.

 

[Devadwal]

Since 2012:

India winning the toss: 19 (excluding this Test) games, of which 16 have been won and 3 draws.

India losing the toss: 20 games, of which 15 are wins, 2 losses and 3 draws.
So I don't think toss matters as much as some people's think

 

[sam_ahm]

I've done a check, in the last 27 innings by opposition teams in India, 300 has been crossed only twice. Once by ENG earlier in the year where they got 500+, and once by RSA in 2019 where they got 400+.

Rest all 25 innings have been below 300.

 

[street cricketer]

I think it is more about opposition players unable to play spin. That's not taking anything away from Indian batsmen or fast bowlers though.

If we look at the series post that England win in 2012, you'd find most of the time opposition teams have struggled to put up decent scores on the board.

India haven't necessarily scored big, but opposition have been struggling to put up even 200 on board.

Well competitive sport is an interaction of two sides and India's spin attack at home has a lot to do with the performance of the touring sides.

If all sides struggled similarly throughout asia, you could have an argument. But NZ and England have won series in the UAE and Sri Lanka and even Sri Lanka has won in the UAE in the recent years I think.

 

[jagatk]

I think it is more about opposition players unable to play spin. That's not taking anything away from Indian batsmen or fast bowlers though.

If we look at the series post that England win in 2012, you'd find most of the time opposition teams have struggled to put up decent scores on the board.

India haven't necessarily scored big, but opposition have been struggling to put up even 200 on board.

it can looked at from other perspectives as well, 2012 vs eng we did not have a good enough attack. Ashwin was ashwin but bhajji was clearly over the hill and ojha was just not good enough. The batting too was composed mostly out of likes of sehwag, gambhir, Tendulkar, yuvraj. Players who were clearly past their use by date.

If current indian team at full strength goes up against that 2012 eng team, I see ind winning the series.

 

[Savak]

Would have been interesting to see how Pakistan would have fared in test matches in India during this period.

 

[street cricketer]

it can looked at from other perspectives as well, 2012 vs eng we did not have a good enough attack. Ashwin was ashwin but bhajji was clearly over the hill and ojha was just not good enough. The batting too was composed mostly out of likes of sehwag, gambhir, Tendulkar, yuvraj. Players who were clearly past their use by date.

If current indian team at full strength goes up against that 2012 eng team, I see ind winning the series.

Ashwin was pretty raw in the initial part of his career. Think he transformed as a bowler only after the tour of Australia in 2014.

 

[Thanos]

And a curator.

Yeah, the curator prepares two pitches in a match, one for India and another for visitors. See how India batted well in both inning on flat track and NZ were bowled out for 62 on a bowling pitch.

 

[MP2011]

Yeah, the curator prepares two pitches in a match, one for India and another for visitors. See how India batted well in both inning on flat track and NZ were bowled out for 62 on a bowling pitch.

Sour grapes for some.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

This is indeed an enviable record. Worthy of being called a fortress.

Only Pakistan can break it.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Since 2012:

India winning the toss: 19 (excluding this Test) games, of which 16 have been won and 3 draws.

India losing the toss: 20 games, of which 15 are wins, 2 losses and 3 draws.
So I don't think toss matters as much as some people's think

Yeah it only matters in World Cups.

 

[Devadwal]

Yeah it only matters in World Cups.

Show me stats like I showed then we can talk about toss impact in WC

 

[sam_ahm]

Well competitive sport is an interaction of two sides and India's spin attack at home has a lot to do with the performance of the touring sides.

If all sides struggled similarly throughout asia, you could have an argument. But NZ and England have won series in the UAE and Sri Lanka and even Sri Lanka has won in the UAE in the recent years I think.

Fair point, Ashwin is class apart. My thinking is that Axar came in and has got like what 35 wickets in about 5 tests! Is he really that good? Even Jadeja isn't as good as the numbers show.

India are far ahead of Pakistan and Sri Lanka in tests, and UAE tracks aren't that challenging so I can still expect SENA teams to do reasonably well in UAE and SLN.

 

[street cricketer]

Fair point, Ashwin is class apart. My thinking is that Axar came in and has got like what 35 wickets in about 5 tests! Is he really that good? Even Jadeja isn't as good as the numbers show.

India are far ahead of Pakistan and Sri Lanka in tests, and UAE tracks aren't that challenging so I can still expect SENA teams to do reasonably well in UAE and SLN.

You underrate the role of a machine like accurate bowler with subtle variations in Test cricket. Jadeja averages 25 from 10 tests in England, so it's not like he only performs at home. He is probably the spin bowling version of Philander, who was an extremely accurate seam bowler with just subtle variations. And he also had his deficiencies in his away record, but was a monster on home wickets.

We all thought Jadeja was ordinary in the start of his career too, look at what he has become now. Axar might be in a similar mould. A fast and accurate spinner who bowls with a lot of revs on wickets with turn and bounce is gold. It's still early in his career and let's see how his career progresses.

 

[dravidthewall]

Only pakistan can beat India in india.

 

[shah_1]

Only pakistan can beat India in india.

Lol with Nuaman Ali and Sajid Khan. )

If we had a prime Yasir Shah then me might have a chance.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If i remember correctly, since 1990, India has lost only 3 test series at home.

Which other country has a better record?

 

[Devadwal]

Lol with Nuaman Ali and Sajid Khan. )

If we had a prime Yasir Shah then me might have a chance.

Prime ajmal , Younis ,Misbah , Azhar and Yasir are Play together then pakistan certainly have a chance .

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

If i remember correctly, since 1990, India has lost only 3 test series at home.

Which other country has a better record?

Pakistan in Pakistan should be similar. Can't remember many series they lost. Not sure.

 

[Devadwal]

Pakistan in Pakistan should be similar. Can't remember many series they lost. Not sure.

India won a test series in pakistan (2004) , don't know about other

 

[Usman Chadda]

Pakistan in Pakistan should be similar. Can't remember many series they lost. Not sure.

Not even close, our record in Pakistan is worse than UAE

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Not even close, our record in Pakistan is worse than UAE

Hmm. They lost of England once... And India. That is all I can remember post 1990.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not even close, our record in Pakistan is worse than UAE

Whats the record in UAE? 2 test series loss in a decade?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Hmm. They lost of England once... And India. That is all I can remember post 1990.

SA series of 2007 was draw?

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Iyer is a spinner killer. Useless Rahane will have hobbled around.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Whats the record in UAE? 2 test series loss in a decade?

Can only remember us losing the Sri Lanka series in recent memory, I don’t think we lost under Misbah at all.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Can only remember us losing the Sri Lanka series in recent memory, I don’t think we lost under Misbah at all.

yeah only to SRL and 1-1 to NZ. Never lost under Misbah. That is a great record as well.

 

[happydavy]

India perhaps is the only team that gets completely customized pitch for every match. Depending upon the situation they are in and who the opposition is, pitches get prepared for the test, which if u ask me is a big shame. Earlier pitches had some character - Mohali fast/bouncy, chennai turning, wankhade classic test wicket with good batting wkt for first 2 days before it would start turning, now it's all about what Kohli wants for that specific match. Look what happened to England this year, they won the first test match in chennai and post that the kind of pitches they were dished out reeked of incompetency and shamelessness. Look at the Ahmedabad pitch in the 3rd test. England realised it the hard way that hell hath no fury like a defeated Kohli at home.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

For all the talk of Sub Continent batters not adjusting to SENA, the SENA batters are never scrutanised as much when they fail against spin. A molly coddling tone is used to showcase their struggles where SC batters are heavily scrutinised.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

India perhaps is the only team that gets completely customized pitch for every match. Depending upon the situation they are in and who the opposition is, pitches get prepared for the test, which if u ask me is a big shame. Earlier pitches had some character - Mohali fast/bouncy, chennai turning, wankhade classic test wicket with good batting wkt for first 2 days before it would start turning, now it's all about what Kohli wants for that specific match. Look what happened to England this year, they won the first test match in chennai and post that the kind of pitches they were dished out reeked of incompetency and shamelessness. Look at the Ahmedabad pitch in the 3rd test. England realised it the hard way that hell hath no fury like a defeated Kohli at home.

How is it different from what NZ/Eng/Australia/SA do.
They prepare spicier pitches wherever possible with seam or bounce for SC teams.
They show no mercy. A favor will be returned then. Did you check the pitches NZ prepared for NZ vs Pak and India. England prepared Lords pitch resembling a village garden. SA prepares really bouncy pitches, and pitch vs 3rd test of India was atrocious with variable bounce since day 1. They prepare flat wickets vs Australia to give themselves some chance.
India were good at home even in the 1990s. Can't recall many teams beating Azhar's team as well.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India perhaps is the only team that gets completely customized pitch for every match. Depending upon the situation they are in and who the opposition is, pitches get prepared for the test, which if u ask me is a big shame. Earlier pitches had some character - Mohali fast/bouncy, chennai turning, wankhade classic test wicket with good batting wkt for first 2 days before it would start turning, now it's all about what Kohli wants for that specific match. Look what happened to England this year, they won the first test match in chennai and post that the kind of pitches they were dished out reeked of incompetency and shamelessness. Look at the Ahmedabad pitch in the 3rd test. England realised it the hard way that hell hath no fury like a defeated Kohli at home.

If anything the pitches are lot easier to bat on than the ones in 90s and early 2000s. Yes there are odd ones that are very avg, but mostly the pitches are for batting and then spin.

If anyone from SENA comes to India and thinks they are going to get pitches with little assistance to spin then they are mistaken.

Its the colonial mindset that if pitches turn its bad, but if it seams and bounces its good. Thankfully we in India don't give two hoots to such whining.

 

[Last Monetarist]

Hmm. They lost of England once... And India. That is all I can remember post 1990.

1995 - Lost 2-1 to Sri Lanka
1997 - Lost 1-0 to South Africa
1998 - Lost 1-0 to Australia
1998 - Lost 1-0 to Zimbabwe
2000 - Lost 2-1 to Sri Lanka
2000 - Lost 1-0 to England
2004 - Lost 2-1 to India
2007 - Lost 1-0 to South Africa

Pakistan's competence in the 1990s is largely a myth.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

1995 - Lost 2-1 to Sri Lanka
1997 - Lost 1-0 to South Africa
1998 - Lost 1-0 to Australia
1998 - Lost 1-0 to Zimbabwe
2000 - Lost 2-1 to Sri Lanka
2000 - Lost 1-0 to England
2004 - Lost 2-1 to India
2007 - Lost 1-0 to South Africa

Pakistan's competence in the 1990s is largely a myth.

Oh wow. And Wasim/Waqar/Inzi/Shoaib/Anwar were there. Man that 90s team so romanticised but this in an atrocious record at home.

 

[Ab Fan]

Only the 2015 India vs SA pitches were poor. Rest all pitches have been very good. Can't blame pink ball test in Ahmedabad, nobody expected that sort of behaviour.

 

[happydavy]

1995 - Lost 2-1 to Sri Lanka
1997 - Lost 1-0 to South Africa
1998 - Lost 1-0 to Australia
1998 - Lost 1-0 to Zimbabwe
2000 - Lost 2-1 to Sri Lanka
2000 - Lost 1-0 to England
2004 - Lost 2-1 to India
2007 - Lost 1-0 to South Africa

Pakistan's competence in the 1990s is largely a myth.

I don't think Pakistani cricket fans define their legacy by winning or losing, for them it's the hairstyle of cricketers, their over the top comments, whether their cricketers are liked by Australia/England viewers, whether their star bowlers can ball 1 over in 10 years that they can talk about for 20 years. Afterall afridi is a bigger cricketer in Pakistan than misbah, Wasim Akram after the justic qayyam report is a hero to most of them, akhtar on steroids with questionable action excited them more than waqar, a convicted criminal - cheat bowler - often gets talked about on this forum all the time, so you see finding the right heroes is not really Pakistan's strength.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Can only remember us losing the Sri Lanka series in recent memory, I don’t think we lost under Misbah at all.

Lost a test series to this NZ side in 2018 as well. UAE was great for Pakistan in tests and T20's but it was a nightmare for Pakistan in ODI's .

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Only the 2015 India vs SA pitches were poor. Rest all pitches have been very good. Can't blame pink ball test in Ahmedabad, nobody expected that sort of behaviour.

Our pitch our marji.. We can prepare what we want. Have never seen Indian players complain about pitch overseas, like ever.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Lost a test series to this NZ side in 2018 as well. UAE was great for Pakistan in tests and T20's but it was a nightmare for Pakistan in ODI's .

i thought that was 1-1. Still remember Pakistan need 4 run to win and Azhar Ali getting out to Ajaz Patel, shocking 100 fans who came to stadium.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

i thought that was 1-1. Still remember Pakistan need 4 run to win and Azhar Ali getting out to Ajaz Patel, shocking 100 fans who came to stadium.

1-1 was under BMac in 2014. 2-1 in 2018 under KW

 

[Ab Fan]

That Pakistan team was very weak. Azhar Ali was their best batsman. It is like New Zealand playing with Latham as their best batsman and no Kane or Ross in the team.

 

[street cricketer]

India perhaps is the only team that gets completely customized pitch for every match. Depending upon the situation they are in and who the opposition is, pitches get prepared for the test, which if u ask me is a big shame. Earlier pitches had some character - Mohali fast/bouncy, chennai turning, wankhade classic test wicket with good batting wkt for first 2 days before it would start turning, now it's all about what Kohli wants for that specific match. Look what happened to England this year, they won the first test match in chennai and post that the kind of pitches they were dished out reeked of incompetency and shamelessness. Look at the Ahmedabad pitch in the 3rd test. England realised it the hard way that hell hath no fury like a defeated Kohli at home.

The pitch excuse is getting a bit tired. A full strength Indian side will defeat any side 9/10 times at any venue in Asia.

You would have a point if India are just winning at home and losing everywhere. But the current side has won twice in Australia and is on the verge of winning in England. It would be a massive disappointment if this side doesn't win in South Africa too, and if you add the multiple series victories in Sri Lanka and West Indies, this team has been performing everywhere on most kinds of wickets.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

This is not even our best unbeaten run at home, [MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] . It was between 1987-2000. Australia had a longer run of being unbeaten between 1992/93 and 2008/09, Pakistan between 1980-1995 and West Indies between 1973-1995 were extremely dominant at home too.

 

[happydavy]

The pitch excuse is getting a bit tired. A full strength Indian side will defeat any side 9/10 times at any venue in Asia.

You would have a point if India are just winning at home and losing everywhere. But the current side has won twice in Australia and is on the verge of winning in England. It would be a massive disappointment if this side doesn't win in South Africa too, and if you add the multiple series victories in Sri Lanka and West Indies, this team has been performing everywhere on most kinds of wickets.

Keeping aside the should be's and would be's and will be's, you would accept that considering the state of world cricket around, India 2 series victory against australia in Australia is the only real result oriented accomplishment. And keeping aside the hyperboles of Kohli/shastri - this team is like aus of 2000s or Windies of 80s - this team has lost far more matches abroad than they won outside India. They have consistently lost to England, NZ and SA even after touring them multiple times in a short span of time. Now consider this, lanka has an away test series away victories against SA and England in the last few years, yet they never scream about it all the time from a rooftop. You can still believe indian team is a gift to humanity, for me they are just an ordinary team with record buttered by home victories in doctored pitches.

 

[sindhiboy]

The only time a foreign team has a chance to win a test is if they bat first. And that too if the pitch is a flat turner.

Only a world XI with the best players suited to Indian conditions can a series in india.

Also keep in mind india are winning almost every test despite their no 3, 4,5 being in bad form

 

[Ramsay]

yeah only to SRL and 1-1 to NZ. Never lost under Misbah. That is a great record as well.

NZ won 2-1 against Pakistan in UAE[2018] not 1-1.

 

[AAli98]

Wont win but will give Ind tough time paks best xi in last 10 odd years

Hafeez
Umar
Younis
Misbah
Fawad
Shafiq
Rizwan
Amir
Ajmal
Rehman/Asif
Yasir

No place for Babar Azhar as they’d get eaten alive by Ashwin & Jadeja

 

[sindhiboy]

Wont win but will give Ind tough time paks best xi in last 10 odd years

Hafeez
Umar
Younis
Misbah
Fawad
Shafiq
Rizwan
Amir
Ajmal
Rehman/Asif
Yasir

No place for Babar Azhar as they’d get eaten alive by Ashwin & Jadeja

Babar was struggling against Keshav Maharaj, so I don't wanna imagine him against axar and jadeja.
He needs a year or two to improve his game against spin.

2012 pak team would've given a good fight to India

 

[Swashbuckler]

Aus next year will be a big test especially if we continue with out of sorts middle order to fulfil seniority quota. Luckily Rohit and Pant came good this year to support our spinners.

Aus players hate our guys and will play at 200% just like they did in the 2017 series, hope we stop clowning around for a change and pick the best XI. Pujara, Rahane, Kohli, Saha, Ishant don't belong to our best XI.

Want to see a team like this:
Rohit (captain)
Mayank
KL Rahul
Sundar/Gill
Iyer
Pant
Jadeja
Axar
Ashwin
Bumrah
Siraj

 

[street cricketer]

Keeping aside the should be's and would be's and will be's, you would accept that considering the state of world cricket around, India 2 series victory against australia in Australia is the only real result oriented accomplishment. And keeping aside the hyperboles of Kohli/shastri - this team is like aus of 2000s or Windies of 80s - this team has lost far more matches abroad than they won outside India. They have consistently lost to England, NZ and SA even after touring them multiple times in a short span of time. Now consider this, lanka has an away test series away victories against SA and England in the last few years, yet they never scream about it all the time from a rooftop. You can still believe indian team is a gift to humanity, for me they are just an ordinary team with record buttered by home victories in doctored pitches.

Congrats on identifying that teams lose more matches abroad than they win. That has always been the case for most test teams in history except the Windies, Aussies and the Saffers to an extent.

The Lankans don't scream from their rooftops because they lose more often than they win even at home, forget about abroad. A 1-0 series win in a 2 match series in England nearly 7 years ago and a series win in South Africa which was impressive, but nonetheless again a Saffer side minus AB, Morkel and also Philander for a greater part of the series on the most Asian friendly venues in South Africa doesn't account for all the losses they clock up against any half decent side at home. No one is believing the Indian side is a "gift to humanity", but they're the best side going around currently when you compare performances throughout the world.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Lost a test series to this NZ side in 2018 as well. UAE was great for Pakistan in tests and T20's but it was a nightmare for Pakistan in ODI's .

Yes, we lost two Test series against NZ and SL respectively under Sarfraz.

Still a better record than when we played in Pakistan. It’s a myth we would have done better than the UAE.

 

[Marathonrunner]

Great record by India in India . It’s just a fortress . No wonder Steve Waugh called it Final Frontier and was unable to conquer it

 

[Mamoon]

And a curator.

Both teams play on the same pitch. Should the Indian players deliberately underperform and lover their standards because the opposition players have less skill?

 

[Mesozoic]

Great record by India in India . It’s just a fortress . No wonder Steve Waugh called it Final Frontier and was unable to conquer it

India wasn't really a fortress in 2001 though. We were beaten comprehensively by South Africa an year before and lost 2/3 tests to Pakistan in '99.

That was called 'Final frontier' because Waugh's team had won a test series everywhere barring India.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

India wasn't really a fortress in 2001 though. We were beaten comprehensively by South Africa an year before and lost 2/3 tests to Pakistan in '99.

That was called 'Final frontier' because Waugh's team had won a test series everywhere barring India.

Australia hadn’t beaten india in india since ‘60s

 

[Swashbuckler]

SL tours India in Feb-Mar for a 2 test series. Aus comes in Sep-Oct for a 4 test series. Can India extend the streak? And where will it stop?

IMO a 2 test series is the best option to stop India at home, just one win and you can walk away with at least a drawn series. NZ missed a big opportunity last test after reducing us to 51/5 on day 4 morning.

Afg played a solitary test here in 2017, and are set to play more such solitary tests in the future, couple of days rain and who knows?

 

[gazza619]

There are far too many threads on India’s invincibility. Sorry but how can you claim to be invincible when you dont even play against your biggest rival in test cricket?

Doesn't bode well with me.

 

[sweep_shot]

Only one team can win a Test series in India and that is Australia.

They almost pulled it off last time. I remember they were leading by 1-0 and should've won the 2nd Test too. But, they botched it up.

Had they won the 2nd Test, they would've won 2-1.

 

[MP2011]

Only one team can win a Test series in India and that is Australia.

They almost pulled it off last time. I remember they were leading by 1-0 and should've won the 2nd Test too. But, they botched it up.

Had they won the 2nd Test, they would've won 2-1.

Had we not botched up playing out last few overs, NZ won't have been crowned WTC champs!

Had we played out NZ's opening bowlers cautiously in WC '19 SF, we may have overhauled that measly target set by NZ! And who knows what'd have happened after that!

Would've, could've, should've.......The only things matters is what is on scorecard and it says Australia has won just 1 test series in India in last 50-odd years.

 

[MP2011]

Further on that Ind-Aus series in India, we could've so easily won Ranchi test. We had Aus on the ropes at 4/63 (including Smith's wicket).

Handscomb & Shaun Marsh played out 67 overs between them or else we would've won that test too!

 

[sweep_shot]

Had we not botched up playing out last few overs, NZ won't have been crowned WTC champs!

Had we played out NZ's opening bowlers cautiously in WC '19 SF, we may have overhauled that measly target set by NZ! And who knows what'd have happened after that!

Would've, could've, should've.......The only things matters is what is on scorecard and it says Australia has won just 1 test series in India in last 50-odd years.

Yeah. I agree.

All I am saying is there was only one team who looked remotely threatening in India and that was Australia.

If there is one team that can win a Test series in India right now, it is probably Australia.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Forget about series. How many match has India lost at home since 2012? Five?

 

[sindhiboy]

Had we not botched up playing out last few overs, NZ won't have been crowned WTC champs!

Had we played out NZ's opening bowlers cautiously in WC '19 SF, we may have overhauled that measly target set by NZ! And who knows what'd have happened after that!

Would've, could've, should've.......The only things matters is what is on scorecard and it says Australia has won just 1 test series in India in last 50-odd years.

It is a relevant point though. It shows that Australia had a much better chance compared to the rest of the teams. Teams like England have been absolutely annihilated, Australia put a much better fight

 

[sindhiboy]

Forget about series. How many match has India lost at home since 2012? Five?

india have only lost two tests at home since 2012

 

[cricketjoshila]

Our longest unbeaten streak at home was from 1987 to 2000.

Can we better it?

 

[James]

india have only lost two tests at home since 2012

Woah. One to England which I am aware of. What was the other one?

Insane record btw. Ridiculous

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

Woah. One to England which I am aware of. What was the other one?

Insane record btw. Ridiculous

Australia

 

[silentkiller187]

How long before all limited over games are moved to india aswell so they can cement their status as home track bullies and win some icc tournaments along the way .

On a real tho insane record and qudos to them unbeatable at home at the moment, will be interesting to see which country breaks the hoodoo and gives india their first home series defeat.

 

[sweep_shot]

Woah. One to England which I am aware of. What was the other one?

Insane record btw. Ridiculous

Australia won 1 Test in 2016 or 2017.

India won the series 2-1. It was a very competitive series.