India's culture of misogyny

[hafeezrocks]

This is from the British Home Office:



Worldwide problem or not?...


http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/crime/violence-against-women-girls/strategic-vision/

Its obviously Worldwide but its also a Desi Mentality born out maybe due to inferiority complex to always praise our " Civilized " White Masters and their culture as if they are a crime free society with empty prisons .

Btw , if condition is as bad as studies suggest then why dont we see National debates over these issues in UK ? They dont stop discussing about the likes of Rimsas and Malalas but why not their own domestic problems with the same interest ?

 

[FusedBulb]

Are people seriously going to blame item numbers for rape?...

I guess Grand Theft Auto causes people to kill too lol...

I agree patriarchy is an issue but is rape a general social problem or specific to patriarchal societies?...

Many Western societies have high rates of rape...Swedens often discussed for facing a rape epidemic...considering India's large population is India actually dealing with an epidemic or a moral panic?...

Rates of conviction are low everywhere unfortunately...and even in places like the US you get judges blaming women for being raped...

The media also generally love to focus on rapes done by strangers because essentially its something that preys on our fears...teachers for instance would get us worrying about our kids...to actually hear the truth which is that most rapes and incidents of abuse are committed by family members are less relateable for us and thus less focused on...and these sorts of problems exist everywhere...

In the UK 14,000 sexual assaults were reported in 2009...over 15,000 in 2011...and its argued that atleast 7 times as many as that might actually occur...and this is in a country that is supposed to be liberal...

I think all societies have issues with sexual abuse...

This is from the British Home Office:



Worldwide problem or not?...


http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/crime/violence-against-women-girls/strategic-vision/

Do you have the foggiest of ideas as what happened to the lady that was raped in Delhi incident?
A metal rod was inserted into her by six men. Her uterus was blasted with that metal rod and her intestine were pulled out thru her female organ. She was alive and screaming during this incident.

The doctors had to remove her entire intestine in an attempt to stop the infection and save her life. She was flown to Singapore but could not be saved due to multiple organ transplant.

The mere statistics of rape and violence against women you provided are not even remotely related to this incident.

 

[shaykh1985]

Do you have the foggiest of ideas as what happened to the lady that was raped in Delhi incident?
A metal rod was inserted into her by six men. Her uterus was blasted with that metal rod and her intestine were pulled out thru her female organ. She was alive and screaming during this incident.

The doctors had to remove her entire intestine in an attempt to stop the infection and save her life. She was flown to Singapore but could not be saved due to multiple organ transplant.

The mere statistics of rape and violence against women you provided are not even remotely related to this incident.

Of course it is related...cos they are incidents of rape and sexual violence...

A lot of what has come out of late is how India specifically has a problem with rape...and my simple point is rape is generally a social problem and occurs far too much EVERYWHERE...this isn't to take away from the horrible things that have happened to this girl...the point is that the individuals themselves should be held accountable not a country...

And if the point about media coverage is what offended you then i'm just saying what is what...the majority of rapes and incidents of sexual assault are committed by members of ones family or a close family friend...but the media prefers to cover incidents that strike at the heart of our insecurities...

 

[shaykh1985]

Its obviously Worldwide but its also a Desi Mentality born out maybe due to inferiority complex to always praise our " Civilized " White Masters and their culture as if they are a crime free society with empty prisons .

Btw , if condition is as bad as studies suggest then why dont we see National debates over these issues in UK ? They dont stop discussing about the likes of Rimsas and Malalas but why not their own domestic problems with the same interest ?

Well child grooming is part of a national debate...unfortunately its a fairly immature one...

And I do agree that often its presumed that everything is perfect in the West when it evidently isn't...

 

[Kwremb]

For People saying movie industries have a role in these issues say if they keep producing movies about Mandela, MLK and Gandhi will people start following them? For me they are as non related as any other issue.

 

[hafeezrocks]

Well child grooming is part of a national debate...unfortunately its a fairly immature one...

And I do agree that often its presumed that everything is perfect in the West when it evidently isn't...

Yes Thankfully it was , not because the Society suddenly woke up to a never heard before inhumane act but due to the involvement of Muslim/Pakistani men .

I doubt that those horrible rapes were going to be discussed with the same zeal if the culprits were some supposedly Civilized White British Men .

At the end of the day , its all about grabbing as many eyeballs as possible for the media .

 

[shaykh1985]

Yes Thankfully it was , not because the Society suddenly woke up to a never heard before inhumane act but due to the involvement of Muslim/Pakistani men .

I doubt that those horrible rapes were going to be discussed with the same zeal if the culprits were some supposedly Civilized White British Men .

At the end of the day , its all about grabbing as many eyeballs as possible for the media .

When it is 'white British men' then the media focus on the depravity of the man as an individual...the Jimmy Saville issue wasn't a white issue...it was a Jimmy Saville issue...

unfortunately with minority groups they focus on communities...so the 'Pakistani' community which is an imagined community of whom all its members are judged by the behaviour of the peers of this nonexistent community...this is how most societies deal with the 'other'...unless you have regular exposure to 'other' communities then you tend to view the 'other' as fixed communities with specific traits...not individuals...and in fairness this extends to how closed Asian communities view white and black people too...

Rape is a serious issue in the UK but daughter molested by father just isn't as much as a sell as Pakistani Muslim grooms young white girl...

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

When it is 'white British men' then the media focus on the depravity of the man as an individual...the Jimmy Saville issue wasn't a white issue...it was a Jimmy Saville issue...

unfortunately with minority groups they focus on communities...so the 'Pakistani' community which is an imagined community of whom all its members are judged by the behaviour of the peers of this nonexistent community...this is how most societies deal with the 'other'...unless you have regular exposure to 'other' communities then you tend to view the 'other' as fixed communities with specific traits...not individuals...and in fairness this extends to how closed Asian communities view white and black people too...

Rape is a serious issue in the UK but daughter molested by father just isn't as much as a sell as Pakistani Muslim grooms young white girl...

Excellent post.


It's the same all over the world.

U could almost call it human nature.

 

[eradicator]

And if the point about media coverage is what offended you then i'm just saying what is what...the majority of rapes and incidents of sexual assault are committed by members of ones family or a close family friend...but the media prefers to cover incidents that strike at the heart of our insecurities...

You have hit the nail on its head there .

Have read quite a few reports mentioning the same in the past and in the wake of the recent Delhi rape incident , a report mentioned that :

93 per cent of women are raped by people known to them

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/93-per-cent-of-women-are-raped-by-people-known-to-them/311510-3.html

Of the 24206 victims of the crime in 2011, 22549 knew the rapists. So an astounding 93.1 per cent of victims knew their assaulters. While 7835 of them were neighbours, 1560 relatives too perpetrated the heinous act on their kins. There were 267 instances where parents raped their own daughters. The 12887 known others obviously include: boyfriends, friends, colleagues, etc.

These were the statistics taken from the National Crime records bureau in India for 2011 which found out that in 93% reported cases the rapist was already known to the victim .

And obviously as you said media likes to focus more on the rapes committed by strangers so that the fear factor can be maintained in the public and then the Law and order / Police / Government etc can be dragged into the matter to incite passions , Which is not easier say in cases of incest rapes or rape by a known assailant .

 

[ammo]

If arranged marriages weren't such a big thing in India there wouldn't be as much of this : Domestic violence, female foeticide, honour killings

 

[James]

For People saying movie industries have a role in these issues say if they keep producing movies about Mandela, MLK and Gandhi will people start following them? For me they are as non related as any other issue.

Surprised by this comment from you.

Art plays a huge role in shaping culture as they both progress.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

In the Damini case the warning signs were all there. We had reports of women being harassed daily, being forced to carry guns and we read about the disgusting attitudes the Delhi police had about rape.

The city of Delhi seemed to be a cesspit of depravity, with rotten views infecting people in all levels of society. The difference between Delhi and other places in the world is that the police seemed to not be bothered by violence against women.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

That last line is key. What's right for America or the UK isn't necessarily suitable for places like India where there is a very different mindset.

Agreed. People here are arguing that rape and violence are worldwide problems. That is 100% true.

However across countries/cultures although the crime may be the same the reasons are different.

Indias and the wider subcontinents issues with rape and sexual violence stem from a very different reason to British rapes and violence.

Different problems in society that are resulting in the same crime.

 

[Kwremb]

Surprised by this comment from you.

Art plays a huge role in shaping culture as they both progress.

I'd say art is rather more reflective than suggestive.

 

[James]

I'd say art is rather more reflective than suggestive.

I disagree, though I don't know how either side of the debate ever wins here.

 

[Thivagar]

Not a surprise at all, South Indian cities are ranked higher.

 

[street cricketer]

Coimbatore is one of the best places to live.

Broad roads, clean surroundings, cool climate (unlike the hot and humid Chennai) and has a pretty good infrastructure. Was personally shocked to see how clean the roads were compared to Chennai a few years ago.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not a surprise at all, South Indian cities are ranked higher.

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Shame that's not reflected in Bollywood though, isn't that dominated by North Indians?

 

[JaDed]

Shame that's not reflected in Bollywood though, isn't that dominated by North Indians?

It is because its Hindi cinema , all southern linguistic states have their own Malayalam,Tamil,Telugu,Kannada. Even Punjabi is getting its own industry setup but production of movies are still on monthly basis unlike South .

 

[JaDed]

Not a surprise at all, South Indian cities are ranked higher.

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Actually most are Gujarati cities bro and first is bengali ,this could be the reason as to why Gujaratis don involve themselves in crime even in GTA

 

[Thivagar]

Actually most are Gujarati cities bro and first is bengali ,this could be the reason as to why Gujaratis don involve themselves in crime even in GTA

Gujaratis that come here are very educated and not paindus like Punjabis straight out of Village. Some of them only saw visited cities while visiting the embassy. Can't comment on Bengalis, we only have Bangladeshi Bengalis and they are also pretty peaceful and well behaving from my experience.

 

[JaDed]

Gujaratis that come here are very educated and not paindus like Punjabis straight out of Village. Some of them only saw visited cities while visiting the embassy. Can't comment on Bengalis, we only have Bangladeshi Bengalis and they are also pretty peaceful and well behaving from my experience.

We can't generalize but i haven't seen a more entrepreneurial race/culture than Gujarathis,its just remarkable 22.

 

[Thivagar]

We can't generalize but i haven't seen a more entrepreneurial race/culture than Gujarathis,its just remarkable 22.

Maybe you are only seeing only the entrepreneurial ones since because you are seeing them outside their state ? Gujus here are not entrepreneurial at all, Punjabis are more entrepreneurial here.

 

[JaDed]

Maybe you are only seeing only the entrepreneurial ones since because you are seeing them outside their state ? Gujus here are not entrepreneurial at all, Punjabis are more entrepreneurial here.

Punjabis are dominating man and the Gujarathi ones going to Canada I'm guessing are trying to go for working under someone ,talking about the ones in India their philosophy is simple why should we work for others when we can work same amount for ourselves.

 

[Thivagar]

Punjabis are dominating man and the Gujarathi ones going to Canada I'm guessing are trying to go for working under someone ,talking about the ones in India their philosophy is simple why should we work for others when we can work same amount for ourselves.

Interesting, jews have similar motto. They even throw a party when a guy/girl reaches a certain teen age to praise him and wish him to succeed in life. They believe they are the chosen ones and that they are destined to be successful. And it works, Jews are generally very successful.

 

[Pollack]

South Indian movies are misogynistic and feminists nightmare.People whistle and adore such movies there.

 

[street cricketer]

South Indian movies are misogynistic and feminists nightmare.People whistle and adore such movies there.

Yeah that's apparent from the statistics.

 

[Pollack]

Yeah that's apparent from the statistics.

It is a fact bro. Do you believe they arent? Regarding statistics there are lots of other factors like literacy,law and order and its proper enforcement which are slightly better than north.Besides films don't dictate crime statistics.