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India's homegrown Tejas fighter jet crashes at Dubai airshow, killing pilot [Update@ Post#111]

DeadlyVenom said:
Its a catch 22, If Indians keep their homemade tech their airforce won't last for long either
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Everyone used to laugh at ISRO when their rockets used to fall like birds from sky back in 70's and 80's.

It took ISRO over decades to finally perfect their rocket technology. The will happen with Air craft tech too. Try till you succeed.
 
JaDed said:
Next time Pakistani posters whine about Indian insensitive posters will just point to them this comment section about the Pilot

Guess its not just Indians that go to other news and forums

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This is really sad behaviour , my first thought was a bright young person could be saved by little bit of better planning, its criminal, what happended and require proper inquiry after seeing the video.
 
amax said:
This is really sad behaviour , my first thought was a bright young person could be saved by little bit of better planning, its criminal, what happended and require proper inquiry after seeing the video.
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We have been Inquiring since Rang De basanti.. its been 20 years
 
Obaidd said:
Pakistanis know very well they are third world, Indians tend to forget.

Once in a while, the delusion bubble bursts. Today the samosa didn’t fly; we all can very well guess that it’s the quintessential third world incompetence behind this loss of life. An accident yes but caused in all likelihood by criminal negligence.
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India is 3rd world because of Over population. India is a 3.8 Trillion economy and growing.
Pakistan is 3rd world because of political structure. Pakistan is a fraction of India's economy and equally over populated.

I can see light at the end of the tunnel for India. Can't say the same with Pakistan.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Everyone used to laugh at ISRO when their rockets used to fall like birds from sky back in 70's and 80's.

It took ISRO over decades to finally perfect their rocket technology. The will happen with Air craft tech too. Try till you succeed.
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Two totally different organisations, Defense makes money for corrupt folks, ISRO did well because at the helm were scientists not some random politicians.
 
JaDed said:
Two totally different organisations, Defense makes money for corrupt folks, ISRO did well because at the helm were scientists not some random politicians.
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I prefer trying to build home grown tech over buying from foreign sellers. At least the money stays in India and eventually they will succeed.
Addiction to foreign lenders will lead the country no where.
 
Obaidd said:
Pakistanis know very well they are third world, Indians tend to forget.

Once in a while, the delusion bubble bursts. Today the samosa didn’t fly; we all can very well guess that it’s the quintessential third world incompetence behind this loss of life. An accident yes but caused in all likelihood by criminal negligence.
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Yes so we shouldn’t even try? India does well when private organisations take up the task, we unfortunately lack when government dictates majority of a sector.
 
Champ_Pal said:
I prefer trying to build home grown tech over buying from foreign sellers. At least the money stays in India and eventually they will succeed.
Addiction to foreign lenders will lead the country no where.
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Building home with a government organisation for something that requires precision engineering will be similar to developing Ambassador car today
 
So sad to see this. Such an avoidable loss. Feel for his family. There should definitely be an investigation as to why he did not eject, most likely a technical issue as normally the moment a pilot loses control, they eject.

I agree on the indigenous development point but it should be strategic. You can’t develop/manufacture everything yourself but to be strategic about it. For example one thing Pakistan should definitely develop indigenously is conventional hypersonic missile technology as well as AD interceptors as we will need a lot of these in the wars to come and as a deterrent and so will cost a lot if procured from China or elsewhere.
 
Indians really need to stop using indigenous development as a shield. Just acknowledge that the Tejas program isn’t delivering, scrap it, and start fresh. India has the money, the talent, and the infrastructure to build something far better.

At this point, only Indians can explain why they keep holding onto Tejas.
 
HalBass9 said:
Indians really need to stop using indigenous development as a shield. Just acknowledge that the Tejas program isn’t delivering, scrap it, and start fresh. India has the money, the talent, and the infrastructure to build something far better.

At this point, only Indians can explain why they keep holding onto Tejas.
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Now I am sure Rafale isn't that bad a brand
 
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Guy sums up everything about IAF
 
HalBass9 said:
Indians really need to stop using indigenous development as a shield. Just acknowledge that the Tejas program isn’t delivering, scrap it, and start fresh. India has the money, the talent, and the infrastructure to build something far better.

At this point, only Indians can explain why they keep holding onto Tejas.
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well you did scrap another project before the tejas in the 1970's, this is very embarrasing
 
HalBass9 said:
Indians really need to stop using indigenous development as a shield. Just acknowledge that the Tejas program isn’t delivering, scrap it, and start fresh. India has the money, the talent, and the infrastructure to build something far better.

At this point, only Indians can explain why they keep holding onto Tejas.
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A Project can be taken over ,the culture of HAL is the issue.
 
Giving the Indian Airforce fighter planes is the equivalent of giving Alzheimers victims viagra- they just dont know what do with them
 
HalBass9 said:
Indians really need to stop using indigenous development as a shield. Just acknowledge that the Tejas program isn’t delivering, scrap it, and start fresh. India has the money, the talent, and the infrastructure to build something far better.

At this point, only Indians can explain why they keep holding onto Tejas.
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Is it already proven that the issue is with plane or the pilot?
 
HalBass9 said:
Indians really need to stop using indigenous development as a shield. Just acknowledge that the Tejas program isn’t delivering, scrap it, and start fresh. India has the money, the talent, and the infrastructure to build something far better.

At this point, only Indians can explain why they keep holding onto Tejas.
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They have to privatize ala Lockheed Martin.

Anything government owned is a failure in India. The real talent never comes through as the caste based quota system and poor salaries dissuade real talent from developing tech.
 
Indian pilots a gift that keeps on giving.

India should not be allowed to have fighter jets. India is a disgrace to aviation
 
HalBass9 said:
Ask yourself, should India be displaying this plane on any Airshow?
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Why not?
It is indigenously developed and India should be proud of it. What is the point of flying US/China/Russia/France/Germany/UK made fighter Jets? Everyone knows what those Jets can do. This was an opportunity to showcase the indigenously developed Jet. Sure it does not look good when the plane crashes. But at least India can proudly say they have the know how to do what big boys can. They need to iron out a few glitches and I am sure India would do it. Its a matter of time.

Keep trying till success is achieved. We also need to wait and see the reason for the crash. Is it pilot error or mechanical error...
 
Champ_Pal said:
Why not?
It is indigenously developed and India should be proud of it. What is the point of flying US/China/Russia/France/Germany/UK made fighter Jets? Everyone knows what those Jets can do. This was an opportunity to showcase the indigenously developed Jet. Sure it does not look good when the plane crashes. But at least India can proudly say they have the know how to do what big boys can. They need to iron out a few glitches and I am sure India would do it. Its a matter of time.

Keep trying till success is achieved. We also need to wait and see the reason for the crash. Is it pilot error or mechanical error...
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LOL, Try to understand what is being said.
 
Non combat fighter jets crashed record

USA F-35 = 12
USA F-22 = 7
USA F-16 = 655+
Russian mig -21 = 1200+
Chinese J-15 = 300+
French Rafael= 4
Euro fighter typhoon= 24
British Jaguar = 42
India Tejas= 2
Pakistan Jf-17 = 7

Just for information to some delusional posters who don't know anything about aircrafts

:kp
 
Devadwal said:
Non combat fighter jets crashed record

USA F-35 = 12
USA F-22 = 7
USA F-16 = 655+
Russian mig -21 = 1200+
Chinese J-15 = 300+
French Rafael= 4
Euro fighter typhoon= 24
British Jaguar = 42
India Tejas= 2
Pakistan Jf-17 = 7

Just for information to some delusional posters who don't know anything about aircrafts

:kp
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This is all now cope... Everything else is a proven fighting machine apart from the junk that is Teja. Having to put plastic bags to collect oil leaks... that was a missed clue!!
 
Devadwal said:
Non combat fighter jets crashed record

USA F-35 = 12
USA F-22 = 7
USA F-16 = 655+
Russian mig -21 = 1200+
Chinese J-15 = 300+
French Rafael= 4
Euro fighter typhoon= 24
British Jaguar = 42
India Tejas= 2
Pakistan Jf-17 = 7

Just for information to some delusional posters who don't know anything about aircrafts

:kp
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Now do it as a percentage of total ever built for each plane.
 
Devadwal said:
Non combat fighter jets crashed record

USA F-35 = 12
USA F-22 = 7
USA F-16 = 655+
Russian mig -21 = 1200+
Chinese J-15 = 300+
French Rafael= 4
Euro fighter typhoon= 24
British Jaguar = 42
India Tejas= 2
Pakistan Jf-17 = 7

Just for information to some delusional posters who don't know anything about aircrafts

:kp
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Only if you know the flight hours of these planes, you will feell embarassed yet again.

Run along boy... Tejas killed one of tyour pilots and that Oil leak is proving costly now...
 
FYI @Devadwal, I know you are far away from logic and technical discussions but understand the point here

There are around 186 JF-17s in service worldwide, and only 5 have crashed—that’s about 2.7% of the fleet. The JF-17s have flown over 40,000 hours, which works out to around 8,000 hours per crash.

In comparison, there are just 30 Tejas jets, with 2 crashes—6.7% of the fleet. Tejas has flown only 1,954 hours, meaning roughly 977 hours per crash.

Instead of mocking others, the Indian Air Force should focus on fixing its own problems.
 
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Akki malhotra said:
There are very few in India who takes Pakistan army capability seriously. I mean talking about common man.

We know that all Pakistan has is that its their army. And it is indeed strong.
India didn't expect this sort of response from Pakistan. Although Pakistan didn't bomb anything in India. But it really acted as a surprise for india to get a response from Pakistan.
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Strength is determined by by comparison
 
Devadwal said:
Non combat fighter jets crashed record

USA F-35 = 12
USA F-22 = 7
USA F-16 = 655+
Russian mig -21 = 1200+
Chinese J-15 = 300+
French Rafael= 4
Euro fighter typhoon= 24
British Jaguar = 42
India Tejas= 2
Pakistan Jf-17 = 7

Just for information to some delusional posters who don't know anything about aircrafts

:kp
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You are giving too much information Pakistanis just follow what their failed marshal says else they get software updates
 
Rafale Nidhal Fan said:
whats stopping indians to make their own engine????
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Only 4 countries have mastered crystal blade technology, it is like the holy grail of human technology. There is a reason why Indians can send a satellite to Mars but can't develop a fighter jet engine, but they will get there in the next 10-15 years I feel.

The expertise, scientists, engineers are not there for India at the moment to make a succesful fully indigenous jet engine.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Only 4 countries have mastered crystal blade technology, it is like the holy grail of human technology. There is a reason why Indians can send a satellite to Mars but can't develop a fighter jet engine, but they will get there in the next 10-15 years I feel.

The expertise, scientists, engineers are not there for India at the moment to make a succesful fully indigenous jet engine.
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Even the Chinese don't have crystal blade ? So how do they make their jet engines
 
RexRex said:
Even the Chinese don't have crystal blade ? So how do they make their jet engines
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No Chinese don't have crystal blade tech, they are using the Russian crystal blades from the Sukhoi's they have purchased. They have reverse engineered the blades but home grown ones have been junk, these are however currently used on the existing fighter fleet, they don't have to worry as their airforce wouldn't be facing any war type scenarios in the near future, so they are using what the have and learning. I feel eventually Chinese will crack the code...
 
Romali_rotti said:
Only 4 countries have mastered crystal blade technology, it is like the holy grail of human technology. There is a reason why Indians can send a satellite to Mars but can't develop a fighter jet engine, but they will get there in the next 10-15 years I feel.

The expertise, scientists, engineers are not there for India at the moment to make a succesful fully indigenous jet engine.
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In 10-15 years, due to its rapid growth, it's possible India will have some sort of engineering premier league and offer scientists from those countries large deals to produce engines.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
In 10-15 years, due to its rapid growth, it's possible India will have some sort of engineering premier league and offer scientists from those countries large deals to produce engines.
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Making a home grown Jet Engine is nice and all, India's main goals should be 1) Population reduction and 2) To become a developed nation in the next 20 years... Everything else should be secondary and other achievements along the way a bonus..
 
China’s WS-15 does have single-crystal blade technology.

The holy grail of tech isn’t a fighter jet engine, it’s an EUV Lithography machine.
 
Some reports writing that International Aeronautics Association (IAA) have also banned the Indian Airforce aircrafts from participation in the aerobatic air shows due to safety concerns. News yet to be verified from credible sources
 
The road goes on for Indians. Let these sacrifices never be forgotten. We have to keep improving to eventually become 100% self reliant in fighter jets and related technologies. The country cannot remain dependent on Americans, Russians and Europeans forever. This is part of the journey. There will be failures. There will be crashes and sometimes casualties too. That should never discourage us from building better planes.

Tejas & AMCA program is super critical for India.
 
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Now Bhats/Sanghis: Stop using this word and blame USA for its demise simultaneously!

The correct world is ASSEMBLED as in a hodgepodge. Keep on living in a delulu supremacy :D
 
Devadwal said:
List of PAF pilots killed while performing aerial acrobatics:

Sqn Ldr Hasnat Ahmed F-6 aerobatic team of PAF serving in CCS.

Flight Lieutenant Syed Alamdar Hussai- leader of the PAF "Sherdil" aerobatic team-T 37

Wing Commander Noman Akram- F 16

:kp
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4 Pak Army aviation pilots were killed in a mid air collision of their aerobatic planes in 2012. :kp
 
@The Bald Eagle @BouncerGuy you were talking about % . Let's me tell you real truth.

PAF has a higher crash ratio than IAF.
Atleast 35 known PAF fighter crashes since Jan 2012 (66 for IAF in same period incl. 22 MiG-21), but as IAF is nearly twice the size of PAF; PAF crash ratio is worse.

On top of that in the same period, 17 IAF fighter pilots were killed in such crashes (26% fatality rate) compared to 20 PAF pilots killed in the same (57% fatality rate), a testament to poorer training of PAF.

:kp
 
cricketjoshila said:
You are giving too much information Pakistanis just follow what their failed marshal says else they get software updates
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Cope cope after samosa jet crash, war or no-war it's a norm with IAF and crashes.

Software update looks more like... Modi, "Pakistan nay.... Hum par he hamla karna shuroo kar diya" no wonder he ran to US within 4 days for a cease fire
 
cricketjoshila said:
Doesnt change the fact that IAF entered Pakistan till Balakote. Took down a F16. And our pilot despite being inside pakistan territory walked back home like a lion within 72 hrs, thumbing the noses of pakistani army as they looked on like sheeps.
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Which bollywood movie is that? You lost 6 without PAF even entering so......
 
Good videos on the crash:

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Devadwal said:
@The Bald Eagle @BouncerGuy you were talking about % . Let's me tell you real truth.

PAF has a higher crash ratio than IAF.
Atleast 35 known PAF fighter crashes since Jan 2012 (66 for IAF in same period incl. 22 MiG-21), but as IAF is nearly twice the size of PAF; PAF crash ratio is worse.

On top of that in the same period, 17 IAF fighter pilots were killed in such crashes (26% fatality rate) compared to 20 PAF pilots killed in the same (57% fatality rate), a testament to poorer training of PAF.

:kp
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There were over 1000 Mig-21s crashes due to accidents around the world. Of those, over 400 are from India alone. Mig-21 gets a bad reputation for being unsafe, but most of that was caused by the Indian air force.

Talk about incompetence and IAF stands at the top.... Move on boy...
 
Devadwal said:
Non combat fighter jets crashed record

USA F-35 = 12
USA F-22 = 7
USA F-16 = 655+
Russian mig -21 = 1200+
Chinese J-15 = 300+
French Rafael= 4
Euro fighter typhoon= 24
British Jaguar = 42
India Tejas= 2
Pakistan Jf-17 = 7

Just for information to some delusional posters who don't know anything about aircrafts

:kp
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The funny thing about these numbers is the J-15. There have only been a total of less than 100 J-15s ever made, so how did 300 and more crash.
 

Tejas crash dampens export hopes for Indian fighter jet​


The crash of India's Tejas fighter in front of global arms buyers at the Dubai Airshow is the latest blow to a key national trophy, leaving the jet reliant on Indian military orders to sustain its role as a showcase of home-built defence technology.

The cause of Friday's crash was not immediately known but it capped a week of jockeying for influence at the event, attended by India's arch-rival Pakistan six months after the neighbouring foes faced off in the world's largest air battle in decades.


Such a public loss will inevitably overshadow India's efforts to establish the jet abroad after a painstaking development over four decades, experts said, as India paid tribute to Wing Commander Namansh Syal who died in the crash.

CRASH AT SHOWCASE EVENT IN DUBAI

"The imagery is brutal," said Douglas A. Birkey, executive director of the U.S.-based Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies, referring to the history of crashes at air shows where nations and industries seek to tout major national achievements.

"A crash sends quite the opposite signal: a dramatic failure," he said, adding however that while the Tejas would suffer negative publicity, it would most likely regain momentum.


Dubai is the world's third-largest air show after Paris and Britain's Farnborough, and accidents at such events have become increasingly rare.

In 1999, a Russian Sukhoi Su-30 crashed after touching the ground during a manoeuvre at the Paris Airshow, and a Soviet MiG-29 crashed at the same event a decade earlier. All crew ejected safely and India went on to place orders for both jets.

Fighter sales "are driven by high order political realities, which supersede a one-off incident," said Birkey.

POWERED BY GE ENGINES

The Tejas programme began in the 1980s as India sought to replace vintage Soviet-origin MiG-21s, the last of which retired as recently as September after numerous extensions due to slow Tejas deliveries by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HIAE.NS).

The state-owned company has 180 of the advanced Mk-1A variant on order domestically but is yet to begin deliveries due to engine supply chain issues at GE Aerospace.

A former HAL executive who left the company recently said the crash in Dubai "rules out exports for now".

Target markets included Asia, Africa, and Latin America, and HAL also opened an office in Malaysia in 2023.

"The focus for the coming years would be on boosting production of the fighter for domestic use," the former executive said, requesting anonymity.

But the Indian Air Force is worried about its shrinking fighter squadrons, which have fallen to 29 from an approved strength of 42, with early variants of the MiG-29, Anglo-French Jaguar and French Mirage 2000 set to retire in coming years.

"The Tejas was supposed to be their replacement," an IAF officer said. "But it is facing production issues".

As an alternative, India is considering off-the-shelf purchases to fill immediate gaps, with options including more French Rafales, two Indian defence officials said, adding that India still plans to add to about 40 Tejas already in service.

India is also weighing competing offers from the U.S. and Russia for 5th-generation F-35 and Su-57 fighters - two advanced models also rarely sharing a stage in Dubai this week.

'BASE' FOR FUTURE PROGRAMMES

India has for years been among the world's biggest arms importers, but has increasingly projected the Tejas as an example of self-reliance with Prime Minister Narendra Modi taking a sortie in the fighter in November 2023.

Like most fighter programmes, the Tejas has fought for attention at the intersection of technology and diplomacy.

Development was initially held up partly by sanctions following India's 1998 nuclear tests as well as problems in developing local engines, said Walter Ladwig, an associate fellow at the Royal United Services Institute in London.

But the jet's long-term significance is "likely to lie less in sales abroad than in the industrial and technological base it creates for India's future combat-aircraft programmes," he said.

REGIONAL RIVALRY PLAYS OUT

Both India and Pakistan were present in force at the show, where the Tejas performed multiple aerial displays in the presence of the rival Pakistani contingent.

Pakistan disclosed the signing of a provisional agreement with a "friendly country" to supply its JF-17 Thunder Block III fighter, co-developed with China.

On the ramp, a JF-17 was flanked by arms including PL-15E, the export variant of a family of Chinese missiles that U.S. and Indian officials say brought down at least one French Rafale used by India during an aerial battle with Pakistan in May.

At an exhibition stand, manufacturer PAC distributed brochures touting the JF-17, one of two models deployed by Pakistan during the four-day conflict, as "battle-tested".

India is a lot more careful with the Tejas, which was not actively used in the four-day conflict in May, Indian officials have said, without giving any reasons.

Nor did it participate in the annual January 26 Republic Day aerial display in New Delhi this year due to what officials said were safety reasons associated with single-engine aircraft.

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Tejas crash dampens export hopes for Indian fighter jet

The crash of India's Tejas fighter in front of global arms buyers at the Dubai Airshow is the latest blow to a key national trophy, leaving the jet reliant on Indian military orders to sustain its role as a showcase of home-built defence technology.
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sweep_shot said:
The plane's design is so unusual. It looks like a kite or a veggie samosa. :inti
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It had to be unique, otherwise, how would the world know that this was originally designed 5000 years ago; you know about their glorious discoveries and past history of GREAT ancient civilization, right?
 
Bhaijaan said:
The road goes on for Indians. Let these sacrifices never be forgotten. We have to keep improving to eventually become 100% self reliant in fighter jets and related technologies. The country cannot remain dependent on Americans, Russians and Europeans forever. This is part of the journey. There will be failures. There will be crashes and sometimes casualties too. That should never discourage us from building better planes.

Tejas & AMCA program is super critical for India.
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India’s pilots are as useless as they come, India should start buying jets etc from china.. good quality stuff next day delivery garunteed.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Only 4 countries have mastered crystal blade technology, it is like the holy grail of human technology. There is a reason why Indians can send a satellite to Mars but can't develop a fighter jet engine, but they will get there in the next 10-15 years I feel.

The expertise, scientists, engineers are not there for India at the moment to make a succesful fully indigenous jet engine.
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India's honest is a service and it ..maybe finance center...scientific innovation in hard sciences like mechanical semiconductors biotech is very poor due to brain drain. Most us companies are filled with India's..though they are in top position there..the real innovation happened before Indians got there
 
straighttalk said:
India's honest is a service and it ..maybe finance center...scientific innovation in hard sciences like mechanical semiconductors biotech is very poor due to brain drain. Most us companies are filled with India's..though they are in top position there..the real innovation happened before Indians got there
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Might as well add materials science chemistry and surprise software too...
 
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