India's potent pace attack for the 2017 Champions Trophy

[JoniInsafian]

Potent Indian pace attack for Champions Trophy: 0 5-fers...

BK: Average 39
Yadav: Average 35
Aaron: Average 38
Bumrah: 16 ODIs
Shami: Average 26, 0-fer, 0 match in 2 years

Indians and their choti choti khushiyan

 

[Zak_Fan]

Spraygun still has a better average than half your bowling attack AND more 5-fers than all of them combined.... And he is the worst in Pakistan.... That's what you call having a ''potent'' pace attack....

No he doesn't. Spraygun averages 45 against non-minnows.. and it was only playing against Zimbabwe that brought his average down to a mighty 38.

 

[Sidilicious]

Potent Indian pace attack for Champions Trophy: 0 5-fers...

BK: Average 39
Yadav: Average 35
Aaron: Average 38
Bumrah: 16 ODIs
Shami: Average 26, 0-fer, 0 match in 2 years

Indians and their choti choti khushiyan

Why don't you quote the stats for WC 2015?

 

[JoniInsafian]

The ballerina averages under 25 with a SR of 27 when fit or even half-fit.

Are you comparing him to a 45 averaging spraygun?

When fit.... Which is basically never...

There is no comparison between a bowler who bowls 150 kph day in and day out.... And a bowler who never plays

We can make a comparison when your glass ballerina plays a few matches in a row....

By the way Wahab still has more 5-fers than under 25 average.... SAD!!!!

 

[JoniInsafian]

Why don't you quote the stats for WC 2015?

WC was 2 years ago.... You want to know Afridi and Wahab's performance in WC 2011??? Everyone will think they're ATG...

Career averages tell all about a player's ability, especially when they are as poor as BK, Yadav and Aaron... Only in India would such poor bowlers get selected )

 

[Zak_Fan]

When fit.... Which is basically never...

There is no comparison between a bowler who bowls 150 kph day in and day out.... And a bowler who never plays

We can make a comparison when your glass ballerina plays a few matches in a row....

By the way Wahab still has more 5-fers than under 25 average.... SAD!!!!

Let's stop debating about a 45 averaging spraygun. I think everyone in his right mind agrees that he is crap.

Coming to Shami, he is highly rated by everyone. So what's the debate?

 

[Arham_PakFan]

India do have a good bowling attack,better than most they played in previous ICC tournaments.

 

[JoniInsafian]

No he doesn't. Spraygun averages 45 against non-minnows.. and it was only playing against Zimbabwe that brought his average down to a mighty 38.

So you need to cherry-pick stats to make your guys and their average of 39 38 and 35 look good in comparison to the worst Pakistani bowler and his career average of 33.... Sad.... What a potent pace attack....

 

[sshakir411]

Indians hyping up their medium pace attack as potent. No surprises....Ishant Sharma was the second coming of Shoaib Akhtar...Zaheer Khan the second coming of Wasim...Irfan Pathan the third coming of Wasim...etc... only in India do such mediocre trundlers get so much praise. If you're a weak, skinny, medium pace bowler..move to India...you will be crowned as potent and phassssttt

 

[Sidilicious]

WC was 2 years ago.... You want to know Afridi and Wahab's performance in WC 2011??? Everyone will think they're ATG...

Career averages tell all about a player's ability, especially when they are as poor as BK, Yadav and Aaron... Only in India would such poor bowlers get selected )

Since we are discussing about the bowling attack for the current CT, then how does career average matter. What matters is how they have played in the last 2 years? And since WC happened 2 years back, and both were in the same team, obviously that is the best way to compare the 2 teams strengths.

Now, you might not want to show the WC stats as it would completely destroy your argument. Fine.

Why not show the stats for both teams in the last 2 years in all 3 forms of the sport?

 

[Zak_Fan]

So you need to cherry-pick stats to make your guys and their average of 39 38 and 35 look good in comparison to the worst Pakistani bowler and his career average of 33.... Sad.... What a potent pace attack....

Not counting minnows is cherry-picking? In that case, welcome to a serious Cricket forum.

A rubbish bowler who has been averaging 45 against top 8 sides in the last 5 years doesn't deserve this much debate. I would encourage you to talk about bowlers who are not this bad (example- Amir and Hassan).

 

[troodon]

I have doubts about Shami's fitness and Yadav's accuracy.

Here is my Bowling attack

BK
Bumrah
Ashwin
Jaddu
Hardik (5th bowler).

Yuvraj for a couple of overs for a change.

BK and Bumrah are the best bowlers in India right now for LOI's. Jaddu is a must these days and Ashwin cannot be dropped. Pandya is the golden boy of Indian cricket these days. So he gets to play too.

 

[Sidilicious]

I have doubts about Shami's fitness and Yadav's accuracy.

Here is my Bowling attack

BK
Bumrah
Ashwin
Jaddu
Hardik (5th bowler).

Yuvraj for a couple of overs for a change.

BK and Bumrah are the best bowlers in India right now for LOI's. Jaddu is a must these days and Ashwin cannot be dropped. Pandya is the golden boy of Indian cricket these days. So he gets to play too.

The thing is with BK, Bumrah, Shami and Yadav - any 2/3 of them will form a pretty decent attack. So even if 2 are injured/out of form it does not impact the team much.

 

[JoniInsafian]

Indians going gaga over railu kata bowlers.... Nothing new.... Srinath, Sreeshant, Irfan Pathan, Zaheer Khan, Nehra, Kapil Dev, Atul Sharma: they have a long history of over-rating at best average bowlers.....

 

[yasir]

Best bowling attacks in the Champions Trophy:

Australia
South Africa
India
New Zealand
England
Pakistan/Sri Lanka
Bangladesh

You are under rating England, they are better than India and NZ, specially at home. They willl not play two spinnners against Asian teams.

If wickets are typical ICC flat, AUS/ENG are favorite and teams to beat, plus runs on board would be asset for any team. Even Pakistan can beat any team if some how they manage to score 340/350, but getting to that score is challenge.

Also, people claiming Bhumra as best death bowler are delusional, nobody comes close to Strac, he is in the league of his own.

 

[JoniInsafian]

Since we are discussing about the bowling attack for the current CT, then how does career average matter. What matters is how they have played in the last 2 years? And since WC happened 2 years back, and both were in the same team, obviously that is the best way to compare the 2 teams strengths.

Now, you might not want to show the WC stats as it would completely destroy your argument. Fine.

Why not show the stats for both teams in the last 2 years in all 3 forms of the sport?

I can see how 2 years isn't a long time ago according to you.... Seeing as Shami hasn't played ODIs for 2 years and some here still pretend that he is better than any Pakistani bowler )

Wahab riaz averaged 23 in that WC, everyone in World cricket went gaga over his spell to Watson.... Sohail Khan too a 5-fer against you guys, which is more 5-fers than Shami+BK+Yadav+Aaron+Bumrah took in their whole careers.... But you don't see any Pakistani going crazy over Wahab and Sohail.... In fact we didn't even select Sohail Khan.... They're average at best when you look at their careers.... But if they're average than these BK Yadav Aaron are pure sh*t, yet people are making threads about them here....

In India they'd be selecting Sohail Khan 5 years later based on that 5-fer and he would have 200 wickets at a bad average of 35-40 by now.... Just shows the difference in class between our pace bowling and theirs....

 

[JoniInsafian]

Let's stop debating about a 45 averaging spraygun. I think everyone in his right mind agrees that he is crap.

Coming to Shami, he is highly rated by everyone. So what's the debate?

Everyone? Nobobdy in world cricket rates a fast bowler with a test average above 30.... Maybe highly rated in India...

The thing with Shami is that he can't bowl spells at 140+ consistently.... This is why he is utter trite in tests and has never taken a 5-fer in ODIs.... Whenever he tries to bowl with intensity, he breaks down.... Like it happened after WC 2015....

He should try bringing his pace down to 125-130, in the long held tradition of Indian trundlers

 

[Sidilicious]

I can see how 2 years isn't a long time ago according to you.... Seeing as Shami hasn't played ODIs for 2 years and some here still pretend that he is better than any Pakistani bowler )

Wahab riaz averaged 23 in that WC, everyone in World cricket went gaga over his spell to Watson.... Sohail Khan too a 5-fer against you guys, which is more 5-fers than Shami+BK+Yadav+Aaron+Bumrah took in their whole careers.... But you don't see any Pakistani going crazy over Wahab and Sohail.... In fact we didn't even select Sohail Khan.... They're average at best when you look at their careers.... But if they're average than these BK Yadav Aaron are pure sh*t, yet people are making threads about them here....

In India they'd be selecting Sohail Khan 5 years later based on that 5-fer and he would have 200 wickets at a bad average of 35-40 by now.... Just shows the difference in class between our pace bowling and theirs....

In the same tournament the Umesh and Shami averaged 17, Mohit Sharma 23 and Ashin 25 compared to Wahab's 23, Sohail Khan's 30, Irrfan's 23 and Rahat Ali's 27. They might have taken 5 wickets in a game and bowled 1 amazing spell, but 1 spell or 1 match does not make a tournament. The Indian bowling was consistently better than the Pakistani bowling throughout the WC.

Again, you don't want to see it because it doesn't fit your narrative.

 

[JoniInsafian]

wow, so the one bowler we dropped has more 5fers than the entire potent Indian pace attack combined..and he is also quicker than most Indians. You seriously need to have been feed a lot of junk as a kid to believe the group of trundlers is better than real fast bowlers...but it's India..these guys will believe anything that plays on tv

Let them have their small happiness... It's bad enough having to watch these trundlers day in day out, I can see how it would affect the mind

 

[JoniInsafian]

In the same tournament the Umesh and Shami averaged 17, Mohit Sharma 23 and Ashin 25 compared to Wahab's 23, Sohail Khan's 30, Irrfan's 23 and Rahat Ali's 27. They might have taken 5 wickets in a game and bowled 1 amazing spell, but 1 spell or 1 match does not make a tournament. The Indian bowling was consistently better than the Pakistani bowling throughout the WC.

Again, you don't want to see it because it doesn't fit your narrative.

You're acting like India went much farther in the tournament... Pakistani bowling had more impact but, more importantly, we have dropped Sohail, Irfan and Rahat.... While you are still bowling the same trundlers.... We lost in a close fought quarter final to the eventual winner, you got rolled over in semis by the runner-up....

Taking a 5-fer shows you can bowl sustained good spells.... The main problem of indian guys is that they can't maintain their intensity or they break down.... Which is why they all have poor test averages and 0 5-fers between them, even when they perform in ODIs.... And if they don't break down then they'll have poor averages in ODIs too.....

 

[Square Drive]

The sheer delusional hopefulness is eye watering.
"Each of them be match-winners on their day"? And Steyn and Ashwin and Rabada and Boult can't?

Who would you rather have bowl for you in an ODI, Wasim or Tahir?

Wasim, without a shadow of a doubt.

 

[MenInG]

Each of them is a match-winner on their day is a statement that cannot go wrong!

 

[New Yorker]

You're acting like India went much farther in the tournament... Pakistani bowling had more impact but, more importantly, we have dropped Sohail, Irfan and Rahat.... While you are still bowling the same trundlers.... We lost in a close fought quarter final to the eventual winner, you got rolled over in semis by the runner-up....

Taking a 5-fer shows you can bowl sustained good spells.... The main problem of indian guys is that they can't maintain their intensity or they break down.... Which is why they all have poor test averages and 0 5-fers between them, even when they perform in ODIs.... And if they don't break down then they'll have poor averages in ODIs too.....

5-fers isn't everything, that wasn't my point. Hasan can be very expensive too. But I thought the 5-fer record was worth noting. I don't understand the rest of your argument. Shami doesn't have a poor average in ODIs. The fact that he has been injured a lot does not make him a better or worse bowler. It makes him a bowler who has been injured a lot.

 

[Mamoon]

You are under rating England, they are better than India and NZ, specially at home. They willl not play two spinnners against Asian teams.

If wickets are typical ICC flat, AUS/ENG are favorite and teams to beat, plus runs on board would be asset for any team. Even Pakistan can beat any team if some how they manage to score 340/350, but getting to that score is challenge.

Also, people claiming Bhumra as best death bowler are delusional, nobody comes close to Strac, he is in the league of his own.

England don't have standout individuals, but they do have a varied attack. However, they don't have someone world class like Boult. If he brings his A game, he is easily one of the very best in the world, and Southee can pull his weight too.

India have a balanced attack and if Ashwin/Jadeja combo can bowl tight in the middle-overs, they have the new ball bowlers and death bowlers to restrict teams.

 

[Hasan123]

India have a very good bowling attack. Ashwin and Jadeja are capable of keeping it tight in the middle overs and picking up wickets. Whilst Shami and Kumar are a threat with the new ball. Bumrah is brilliant at the death.

Overall it's a very good attack, problem for India is there batting is too relient on Kohli.

 

[Speedster777]

lol @ potent. Indian team should be happy Sharjeel and Khalid are not playing they would have feasted on their phaast bowlers.

 

[Pollack]

if bhuvenshwar and bumrah are considered potent pace...then god help cricket.

Bumrah is no trundler.

 

[Pollack]

You are under rating England, they are better than India and NZ, specially at home. They willl not play two spinnners against Asian teams.

If wickets are typical ICC flat, AUS/ENG are favorite and teams to beat, plus runs on board would be asset for any team. Even Pakistan can beat any team if some how they manage to score 340/350, but getting to that score is challenge.

Also, people claiming Bhumra as best death bowler are delusional, nobody comes close to Strac, he is in the league of his own.

Bumrah is best death bowler in the world. No delusions here. This is true. Its a matter of time when you will accept it if at all if you are not always salty neighbour.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Bumrah is best death bowler in the world. No delusions here. This is true. Its a matter of time when you will accept it if at all if you are not always salty neighbour.

Fizz is the best death bowler at least amongst seamers IIRC.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

It's a good attack. The best they've had in a decade.

 

[kadam]

Indian bowling has out performed Pakistani bowling in all one day world cups since 2011. as a unit they always work better

even really mediocre bowlers like Prasad, Balaji, Pathan, Mohanthy, Harvinder Singh have destroyed Pakistani batting

 

[Teshi98]

Indians hyping up their medium pace attack as potent. No surprises....Ishant Sharma was the second coming of Shoaib Akhtar...Zaheer Khan the second coming of Wasim...Irfan Pathan the third coming of Wasim...etc... only in India do such mediocre trundlers get so much praise. If you're a weak, skinny, medium pace bowler..move to India...you will be crowned as potent and phassssttt

Zaheer khan is without doubt better than any of your present pacers and will outperform them even at this age. Also you are ones who are hyping up your trundler army now. Except wahab who is a garbage odi bowler all others can not even maintain average speed of 135. You have got non performing atg amir in your team with the great junaid khan . Only one decent bowler in hasan ali who at moment is inferior to india's newcomer bumrah. Bhuvi shami umesh are better than amir junaid and wahab.

 

[cr7great]

pak will score 400 against indian trundlers

 

[Usman Chadda]

Zaheer khan is without doubt better than any of your present pacers and will outperform them even at this age. Also you are ones who are hyping up your trundler army now. Except wahab who is a garbage odi bowler all others can not even maintain average speed of 135. You have got non performing atg amir in your team with the great junaid khan . Only one decent bowler in hasan ali who at moment is inferior to india's newcomer bumrah. Bhuvi shami umesh are better than amir junaid and wahab.

Imad Wasim and Shadab Khan are without doubt better than Ashwin and Jadeja. Both of them will definitely outperform the ATG over-rated Indian spinners in CT. See what I did there?

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[Teshi98]

Imad Wasim and Shadab Khan are without doubt better than Ashwin and Jadeja. Both of them will definitely outperform the ATG over-rated Indian spinners in CT. See what I did there?

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What i have said is based on perfomances of the pakistani bowlers who you hype up as if they are unbelievable talented players. Both Shadab and imad are goid or atleast in good form though i consider first to be true. Ashwin and Jadega are also not that good in odis compared to tests but generally have been reliable in big tournaments. I expect a good competitive contest b/w them.
I did not mention them as thread is about fast bowlers where India is much ahead.

 

[letme alone]

pak will score 400 against indian trundlers

you r too late
above 520 is my dream

 

[Pollack]

Fizz is the best death bowler at least amongst seamers IIRC.

Fizz was very ordinary in the only IPL game he played with everyone picking him quite comfortably. After that he took wickets against Ireland? Right. Let's see how effective he is in CT. Bumrah has more variations than fizz.

 

[Usman Chadda]

What i have said is based on perfomances of the pakistani bowlers who you hype up as if they are unbelievable talented players. Both Shadab and imad are goid or atleast in good form though i consider first to be true. Ashwin and Jadega are also not that good in odis compared to tests but generally have been reliable in big tournaments. I expect a good competitive contest b/w them.
I did not mention them as thread is about fast bowlers where India is much ahead.

India is much ahead with two of their premier fast bowlers having averages of 39 and 33 respectively? Our worst pace bowler has a better average than these two ATGs.

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[Pollack]

India is much ahead with two of their premier fast bowlers having averages of 39 and 33 respectively? Our worst pace bowler has a better average than these two ATGs.

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Because stats are like skirt what they reveal is only suggestive but what they hide is vital. Cliché.

 

[Kaptan]

lol @ potent. Indian team should be happy Sharjeel and Khalid are not playing they would have feasted on their phaast bowlers.

LOL Last time when they were playing pak was 40 something for 5

 

[ipl_fan]

Australia, South Africa, England, New Zealand - Yes

Pakistan - Seriously ??

 

[Usman Chadda]

Because stats are like skirt what they reveal is only suggestive but what they hide is vital. Cliché.

Its an Indian trait to use stats when it suits the narrative and to throw them away when it doesnt. Atleast Pakistani fans are consistent in their views. Food for thought.

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[Pollack]

Its an Indian trait to use stats when it suits the narrative and to throw them away when it doesnt. Atleast Pakistani fans are consistent in their views. Food for thought.

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Honestly in ODIs :
Swing conditions: Bhuvi > Amir
Flat : Amir > Bhuvi
Death bowling: Bhuvi > Amir
Overall: Bhuvi > Amir

Shami > Amir, Hasan, wahab etc
Bumrah > Hasan
Umesh v2.0 > Wahab
Shami, Umesh and bumrah are no trundlers. Bhuvi wasn't trundling in IPL. Its to be seen whether he would trundle in ODIs.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Honestly in ODIs :
Swing conditions: Bhuvi > Amir
Flat : Amir > Bhuvi
Death bowling: Bhuvi > Amir
Overall: Bhuvi > Amir

Shami > Amir, Hasan, wahab etc
Bumrah > Hasan
Umesh v2.0 > Wahab
Shami, Umesh and bumrah are no trundlers. Bhuvi wasn't trundling in IPL. Its to be seen whether he would trundle in ODIs.

Lets see how these superstars fare in the coming weeks. In my opinion all your pace bowlers, barring Bumrah, are nothing special and will be taken to the cleaners. Ashwin and Jadeja will once again be the key which will help your mediocre pace bowlers to pick up a few wickets here and there.

I'm quielty confident Pakistan's bowling attack will hold its own while the batting and fielding will go missing, as is usual.

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[Pollack]

Lets see how these superstars fare in the coming weeks. In my opinion all your pace bowlers, barring Bumrah, are nothing special and will be taken to the cleaners. Ashwin and Jadeja will once again be the key which will help your ******-panju pace bowlers to pick up a few wickets here and there.

I'm quielty confident Pakistan's bowling attack will hold its own while the batting and fielding will go missing, as is usual.

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Pakistan's bowling would indeed do good than batting but that's not a measure of how Pakistan's bowling is compared to other teams, isn't it.
Ashwin and Jadeja are nothing special in ODI and they would do just about good.
If pitches aide Swing and seam then we even have Pandya who can be no push over on helpful conditions either with pace or a little seam movement here and there.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Pakistan's bowling would indeed do good than batting but that's not a measure of how Pakistan's bowling is compared to other teams, isn't it.
Ashwin and Jadeja are nothing special in ODI and they would do just about good.
If pitches aide Swing and seam then we even have Pandya who can be no push over on helpful conditions either with pace or a little seam movement here and there.

Pakistan's bowling will do better than most bowling attacks. Only Australia, England and New Zealand have better bowling attacks than Pakistan's in my opinion. The rest are pretty sub-standard. Lets wait and watch.

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[Teshi98]

India is much ahead with two of their premier fast bowlers having averages of 39 and 33 respectively? Our worst pace bowler has a better average than these two ATGs.

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Averages as others have also mentioned are not the best way to look at a player stats till he is playing. For quite some time now indian bowlers have been performing much bettet than pak bowlers. Amir after return has just been okayish while junaid has not always been part of 11. Wahab has been a spray gun and only hasan ali looks like a bowler who can be actually good. Although one thing i have to agree is that though yadav has become much better than before and his stats can be defended , bhuvi's stats considering his swinging and death bowling abilties are bad. But i still believe in swinging conditions he is one of the best in world and can hopefully show that in bis stats as well with some match winning perfomances

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

Our bowling unit did prove itself in 2013 CT and 2015 WC.

2013 CT - 5 matches, 40 wickets@24.92, economy rate of 4.74, SR of 31.4

2015 WC - 8 matches, 72 wickets@23.98, economy rate of 4.85, SR of 29.6

Should do well this time as well - Shami, Bhuvi, Bumrah with Umesh as backup and Ashwin/Jadeja is a very good attack. One concern is lack of bowling form for Pandya and Ashwin

 

[Specialisttailender]

I like our combination Bhuvi, Bumrah, Shami, Ashwin and Jadeja.

 

[Monsee]

OP, a few questions:

How is Umesh Yadav Accurate and what does his Test Performance have anything to do with his ODI form/record?

"Bhuvaneshwar Kumar, the Purple cap holder at the recent IPL 17."

So, he was awarded some mickey mouse title in a tamaasha league, how is that relatable to Champions Trophy?

"The young Jasprit Bumrah, who is curently rated as the best death bowler in the world "

Did he win that in the same Tamaasha league or he was awarded that title in a street game?

 

[Pollack]

OP, a few questions:

How is Umesh Yadav Accurate and what does his Test Performance have anything to do with his ODI form/record?






So, he was awarded some mickey mouse title in a tamaasha league, how is that relatable to Champions Trophy?






Did he win that in the same Tamaasha league or he was awarded that title in a street game?

Quality of cricket in IPL is quite respectable. But I can see your opinion being formed on watching PSL. So its understandable bro. Cannot blame you. )

 

[Mp812]

OP, a few questions:
How is Umesh Yadav Accurate and what does his Test Performance have anything to do with his ODI form/record?
So, he was awarded some mickey mouse title in a tamaasha league, how is that relatable to Champions Trophy?
Did he win that in the same Tamaasha league or he was awarded that title in a street game?

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/913657.html Those are good bowling stats

 

[New Yorker]

Fizz was very ordinary in the only IPL game he played with everyone picking him quite comfortably. After that he took wickets against Ireland? Right. Let's see how effective he is in CT. Bumrah has more variations than fizz.

I didn't know CT was a 20/20 tournament.

But if he didn't perform in one IPL match then that clearly must settle it.

Bumrah looks very good. And good for him that he has variations. Like Wahab has pace means he must be superb.

In 16 ODIs The Fizz has 3 5fers and averages a scarcely believeable 16. If his body can hold up he will be an ATG.

 

[Monsee]

Quality of cricket in IPL is quite respectable. But I can see your opinion being formed on watching PSL. So its understandable bro. Cannot blame you. )

Actually, hold on, laughing at your own joke is not that funny; I am yet to ever watch a full match even of PSL or IPL. Now try laughing again

I don't watch tamaasha leagues and IPL being the cest pool of bookies, world number home of them...is the biggest of them tamaashas

 

[Monsee]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/913657.html Those are good bowling stats

Wow, did you have to get all of them IPL Phaans together to come up with such a world class reply or you came up with it all by yourself?

So, which one of these bowlers are called Umesh Yadav anyway?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

So is an attack of Umesh/Shami/BK/Hardik decent enough ? I didn't watch the warm up. Has anyone watched them bowl?

 

[redmaverik84]

Very promising attack and reasonably young as well. Better than Pakistan's and almost as good as Bangladesh's pace attack.

Naah maite.... Not almost as a good as Bangladesh at all. No way can BK/JB/UY/MS match Fizz/Taskin/Rubel....

 

[jnaveen1980]

Too many unresearched opinions. Umesh/BK have improved enoromously in the last year or so. Bumrah has become a gun death bowler. Shami's only problem was always fitness. He was always the best bowler for India for a while. To simply put they are in better rhythm. Same line up would have been considered useless couple of years back. Discount them at your peril.

 

[Monsee]

Quote Originally Posted by asfandyar View Post
BCCI's marketing strategy is quite impressive. They have successfully managed to create a fan following (even on PP) of inferior bowlers such as Bhuwaneshwar (avg 39.62@4.95) and Umesh Yadav (avg 33@6.01).


Didn't mention Bumrah/Shami. Naughty naughty.

Comprehension fail, he only was talking about 'Inferior Bowlers', unless you think the same of the other two as well LOL

 

[aniket1911]

Looks like some opinions must have changed in couple of days.

Well, it will be good for us to not hype our bowling. Keep it under radar bawyyss. We dont want other teams to be cautious against our "trundlers".

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Naah maite.... Not almost as a good as Bangladesh at all. No way can BK/JB/UY/MS match Fizz/Taskin/Rubel....

I meant statistically speaking of course. At the end of the day stats - in proper context - offer the most accurate comparison between any two things/players/teams/performances.

Fizz averages 16 at an economy rate of under 5...no one from India has those figures...heck not even Mitchell Starc. Even Taskin - who's had to battle quite a few obstacles - has stats that compare favorably against Shami's who is India's best seamer.

The last meaningful performance from India's seam attack in ODIs that I can remember - correct me if I'm wrong - was the group stage of the 2015 World Cup.

 

[redmaverik84]

I meant statistically speaking of course. At the end of the day stats - in proper context - offer the most accurate comparison between any two things/players/teams/performances.

Fizz averages 16 at an economy rate of under 5...no one from India has those figures...heck not even Mitchell Starc. Even Taskin - who's had to battle quite a few obstacles - has stats that compare favorably against Shami's who is India's best seamer.

The last meaningful performance from India's seam attack in ODIs that I can remember - correct me if I'm wrong - was the group stage of the 2015 World Cup.

Fizz is(was) undoubtedly good aided by the fact that most of his matches were played on pitches that grip and aids his cutters, He is getting found out now due to his lost pace and battting friendly pitches. No other B'Desh is good enough. I was being sarcastic. After the WC 2015, India haven't really played meaningful ODIs ( 25 I think, the least by any country) and most of them have been at placid home pitches.

 

[Sane.Cricket.Fan]

The Current Indian Pace Team is looking very Good as a TEAM and Playing Unit. Not talking about Individual brilliance here.

Criclet is a TEAM game and that Team becomes a Champion team which Plays as a Tight Unit.

 

[RamLakhan]

The Current Indian Pace Team is looking very Good as a TEAM and Playing Unit. Not talking about Individual brilliance here.

Criclet is a TEAM game and that Team becomes a Champion team which Plays as a Tight Unit.

Yes, it looks as though Jadeja & Ashwin are actually outdated to fit in this team (LOI team) just like how there are some outdated batsmen in the lineup! Players like Krunal Pandya, Chahal, etc, can work well with this team in future (as you have mentioned the intention is to form a "champion team" instead of individual brilliance! Rohit Sharma is the best example "individual brilliance" because he wins us the most insignificant match with huge margins which can still be won easily with team effort! On the other hand a champion team will win the most important match from the jaw of defeats, as done in 2011)

 

[Billy1999]

India may have a good attack but thy are very lucky they are in form going into a tornement look at there bench strength they don't have one in fast bowling very rare do teams have for good pacers without any other fast bowlers on the bench that are decent

 

[geraltofrivia]

I meant statistically speaking of course. At the end of the day stats - in proper context - offer the most accurate comparison between any two things/players/teams/performances.

Fizz averages 16 at an economy rate of under 5...no one from India has those figures...heck not even Mitchell Starc. Even Taskin - who's had to battle quite a few obstacles - has stats that compare favorably against Shami's who is India's best seamer.

The last meaningful performance from India's seam attack in ODIs that I can remember - correct me if I'm wrong - was the group stage of the 2015 World Cup.

Bangladesh do play a lot of weaker teams though so stats are a bit juked. Taskin averages over 30 against top 8.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Fizz is(was) undoubtedly good aided by the fact that most of his matches were played on pitches that grip and aids his cutters, He is getting found out now due to his lost pace and battting friendly pitches. No other B'Desh is good enough. I was being sarcastic. After the WC 2015, India haven't really played meaningful ODIs ( 25 I think, the least by any country) and most of them have been at placid home pitches.

Fizz had done well in NZ against a full strength NZ side as well as the recent tri series. Bangladeshis pitches dont actually turn that much, hence any grip Fizz got is due to him putting revs on the ball more so than the wicket. Even yesterday he was beating the bats of Root and Hales as often as you can expect in an ODI on a belter of a wicket.

 

[joly]

I have doubts about Shami's fitness and Yadav's accuracy.

Here is my Bowling attack

BK
Bumrah
Ashwin
Jaddu
Hardik (5th bowler).

Yuvraj for a couple of overs for a change.

BK and Bumrah are the best bowlers in India right now for LOI's. Jaddu is a must these days and Ashwin cannot be dropped. Pandya is the golden boy of Indian cricket these days. So he gets to play too.

I will replace Ashwin with Shami

 

[ToeCrusher2]

We told you guys that India has one of the best pace bowling attack in the world