India's young fast bowling factory - 38 better bowlers than Naseem Shah?

[RainStopsPlay]

As much as I wanted India to win yesterday, I felt bad for this boy after seeing his struggles with cramps. His passion for the game is truly appreciable. No unnecessary antics like the other guy Dahani. Looked very professional and carries a cool head.

He'll sure go places if he maintains his fitness well. Has all the right tools to become successful in international cricket and it's only a matter of time.

I wish him all the best.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Arshdeep Singh comes in, no hungama, no emotion, does his job, keeps it tight and takes 2 wickets with no hype whatsoever.

Naseem shah raw pace, great to watch but runs out of fuel and all that super emotion and drama like watching a war movie with full juzbaa and junoon.

Most Indian youngsters are kind of like Arshdeep Singh fortunately or unfortunately. No hungama, no drama and 100% discipline, focus and sticking to the plans.

Naseem was bowling against strong indian batting line up though and this was his first T20I. Even after getting cramps he ended up with a bowling figure of 4 overs 27/2, not to mention Kohli was dropped on his bowling. There is no hungama and emotion regarding Arshdeep because Indian fans themselves call him a trundler. His bowling figures of 4 overs for 33/2 against the weakest batting line up of Pakistan ever are hardly impressive.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Naseem was bowling against strong indian batting line up though and this was his first T20I. Even after getting cramps he ended up with a bowling figure of 4 overs 27/2, not to mention Kohli was dropped on his bowling. There is no hungama and emotion regarding Arshdeep because Indian fans themselves call him a trundler. His bowling figures of 4 overs for 33/2 against the weakest batting line up of Pakistan ever are hardly impressive.

Naseem has been over-rated by these same haters, they expect him to come in and start destroying batting line-ups as if its club cricket. Shaheen is no doubt a bigger talent than Naseem, but this boy has all the tools to become as lethal as Shaheen and form a decent partnership with the new ball.

People expecting 20 year olds to come into international cricket and start blasting out oppositions at the highest level is what is wrong with the cricket in this country. Youngsters in other countries don’t go through the same vitriol despite achieving half as much as this boy has so far.

 

[Ahmed216]

SKY played down the wrong line, nothing to do with bowl. Again I agree he is a good bowler but not at level of Amir, Shohaib Or Afridi who looked special from the beginning. Even Arshdeep had similar start against England. Doesn't make him world beater.

Loved seeing him castle the overrated SKY with an in dipper

 

[Rajdeep]

Arshdeep Singh comes in, no hungama, no emotion, does his job, keeps it tight and takes 2 wickets with no hype whatsoever.

Naseem shah raw pace, great to watch but runs out of fuel and all that super emotion and drama like watching a war movie with full juzbaa and junoon.

Most Indian youngsters are kind of like Arshdeep Singh fortunately or unfortunately. No hungama, no drama and 100% discipline, focus and sticking to the plans.

Naseem atleast bowled well. Did you see the antics of that Dahani guy while bowling? Kohli was not impressed and giving him few stares. Even while batting he was showing full juzbaa with fist pumps and all. Meanwhile Pandya wins the game with a six, no celebration at all..just a thumbs up towards dressing room.

I guess each team to their own.

 

[Local.Dada]

Naseem atleast bowled well. Did you see the antics of that Dahani guy while bowling? Kohli was not impressed and giving him few stares. Even while batting he was showing full juzbaa with fist pumps and all. Meanwhile Pandya wins the game with a six, no celebration at all..just a thumbs up towards dressing room.

I guess each team to their own.

Naseem Shah is an exciting talent. Raw pace and skills. However while I empathize with his pain I found the drama hilarious. It was dramatic like watching a side character in Sunny Deol movie who fights dushman on one leg before getting killed. All this in a pointless round robin game. Funnily Pak had 2 extra part timers to complete those 2-3 balls.

It’s a cultural thing I guess. Pandya got injured last Asia cup mid way and Kedar Jadhav stepped in and bowled some part timers. Bhuvi was injured midway in WC 2019 and Vijay Shankar took crucial wickets

While the players were criticized for fitness, it was seen as a no big deal.

I always feel Pakistan players play like their livelihood and future depends on these games while Indian players are probably at worst scared about bitter social media trolling.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Naseem has been over-rated by these same haters, they expect him to come in and start destroying batting line-ups as if its club cricket. Shaheen is no doubt a bigger talent than Naseem, but this boy has all the tools to become as lethal as Shaheen and form a decent partnership with the new ball.

People expecting 20 year olds to come into international cricket and start blasting out oppositions at the highest level is what is wrong with the cricket in this country. Youngsters in other countries don’t go through the same vitriol despite achieving half as much as this boy has so far.

You just have to read all the Naseem Shah threads and you will see the same guys there as well. I said this multiple times and I will say it again Pakistan will never be short of good fast bowlers. Pakistan have got two good bowlers now. I haven't seen Mohammed Wasim Jr much so can't say much about him at the moment.

 

[ethan hunt]

Arshdeep Singh comes in, no hungama, no emotion, does his job, keeps it tight and takes 2 wickets with no hype whatsoever.

Naseem shah raw pace, great to watch but runs out of fuel and all that super emotion and drama like watching a war movie with full juzbaa and junoon.

Most Indian youngsters are kind of like Arshdeep Singh fortunately or unfortunately. No hungama, no drama and 100% discipline, focus and sticking to the plans.

Arshdeep is a boring medium pacer where as naseem brought excitement to the game and is one of the most promising fast bowlers in the game. Chalk and cheese.

 

[Local.Dada]

Arshdeep is a boring medium pacer where as naseem brought excitement to the game and is one of the most promising fast bowlers in the game. Chalk and cheese.

Absolutely true about Naseem Shah being exciting.

The point is Arshdeep is max going to play T20 or ODIs in 2nd and 3rd string sides unless he dramatically improves or performs every game.

Naseem is obviously being hyped up as a future ATG. Has the tools and pace however I saw him huffing and puffing in Aus in 2nd spell and now in 3rd over of a T20 . The limping and all the dramatics will wear thin if he doesn’t improve the fitness.

Coming back to the point, there are 10-15 bowlers fit for roles in the Indian side who do their job without any hungama.

The ranking of the Indian team and the consistent performances and results over the years are a testament to that.

If I only need entertainment in India we have multiple other forms of entertainment fortunately.

 

[ethan hunt]

Absolutely true about Naseem Shah being exciting.

The point is Arshdeep is max going to play T20 or ODIs in 2nd and 3rd string sides unless he dramatically improves or performs every game.

Naseem is obviously being hyped up as a future ATG. Has the tools and pace however I saw him huffing and puffing in Aus in 2nd spell and now in 3rd over of a T20 . The limping and all the dramatics will wear thin if he doesn’t improve the fitness.

Coming back to the point, there are 10-15 bowlers fit for roles in the Indian side who do their job without any hungama.

The ranking of the Indian team and the consistent performances and results over the years are a testament to that.

If I only need entertainment in India we have multiple other forms of entertainment fortunately.

Well if the 10- 15 bowlers were doing their job india wouldnt be struggling to win any trophies.
Sports is another form of entertainment, id rather watch shoaib bowl over venkatesh prasad but i guess thats just me.

 

[Local.Dada]

Well if the 10- 15 bowlers were doing their job india wouldnt be struggling to win any trophies.
Sports is another form of entertainment, id rather watch shoaib bowl over venkatesh prasad but i guess thats just me.

Oh yeah I forgot the ICC argument lol. Whatever makes you feel better today

 

[Titan24]

SKY played down the wrong line, nothing to do with bowl. Again I agree he is a good bowler but not at level of Amir, Shohaib Or Afridi who looked special from the beginning. Even Arshdeep had similar start against England. Doesn't make him world beater.

Shaheen looked special in the beginning playing white ball cricket, same is the case with Amir. Naseem started his career from test cricket under extremely difficult personal circumstances and that too in Australia.

So not a right comparison at all and most of the opinion based upon Naseem is because of his initial test struggles. Amir had over 60-70 FC wickets before making his Pak debut while Naseem didnt even had 20 odd and even then Amir struggled everywhere in test cricket when he came into the team except England.

A 20-21 year old pacer bowling 145 kph, swinging the ball both ways and temperamentally strong enough to deliver in a match with historic rivalry while debuting in terms of jammed pack stadium, if this is not special then I am not sure what is and if someone wont consider this special then there is nothing anyone can say that will change their mind but they would find it difficult to define the term "special" then.

Still learning and working on his fitness, no one can predict the future but, he is as really exciting young prospect currently.

 

[Rana]

Easily one of the worst bowlers in the world. Forget 38 better bowlers; he will not even get into most Indian FC sides.

Amazing insight

 

[Bewal Express]

One of the notable things about NS in the last few months is that the ball has started to move. Both in England and NZ he was gun barrel straight. It may be a skill that he has learnt or something that just happened but its making him into a very interesting bowler.

 

[waheed_sofi]

Still India wins more matches than Pakistan overseas

Please wide-open your eyes and see this before commenting india wins more matches overseas.

 

[Rana]

One of the notable things about NS in the last few months is that the ball has started to move. Both in England and NZ he was gun barrel straight. It may be a skill that he has learnt or something that just happened but its making him into a very interesting bowler.

Not being around Waqar Younis helps

 

[Ashmal]

One of the notable things about NS in the last few months is that the ball has started to move. Both in England and NZ he was gun barrel straight. It may be a skill that he has learnt or something that just happened but its making him into a very interesting bowler.

He's hitting the right lengths too....

 

[Bewal Express]

He's hitting the right lengths too....

No doubt but when he hits the same lengths before the ball didnt move.

 

[shariqnoor]

He has improved a lot. Has cut down on his pace and focused on hitting the same line and length which has made him a better bowler. Also has developed some good inswing deliveries. Still not fully there, but he has surprised me a lot -positively. Naseem 2.0 is better than what we've been seeing over the past years with the likes of Rahat Ali, Imran Khan, Aizaz Cheema, Mohammad Hasnain, Ehsan Adil, Naseem Shah 1.0.

 

[Ahmed216]

One of the notable things about NS in the last few months is that the ball has started to move. Both in England and NZ he was gun barrel straight. It may be a skill that he has learnt or something that just happened but its making him into a very interesting bowler.

He’s now using his wrist beautifully to control seam positioning

 

[Bewal Express]

He’s now using his wrist beautifully to control seam positioning

Even before The seam was never terrible, but the ball moved little. It maybe deliberate or something that just happened. As a kid I went through phases where I could only bowl outswing and at other times, just inswing. I never changed anything deliberately.

 

[KingKhanWC]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

Ive found one! Bhuvi Kumar took 4 , while Naseem only took 2 wickets yesterday!

Only 37 more to go please?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Was bowling at 145 on one leg.

Meanwhile certain people here can't stop overhyping rubbish gully cricketers who can't bowl 3 balls in the same area and whose real pace is over-exaggerated by IPL speed-guns.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

Ive found one! Bhuvi Kumar took 4 , while Naseem only took 2 wickets yesterday!

Only 37 more to go please?

Even Indian fans don't rate Bhuvi and make fun of him so I guess you will have to keep searching for 38 bowlers still.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

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[Nikhil_cric]

Unnecesarily hyping this guy won't do Ppers any good. This thread was started by a British Paistani poster in response to a post by a Pakistani poster.

We have seen similar hype for the likes of Aamir, Wahab, Irfan and a host of others and they barely did anything in their whole careers. Hasan is another whose career has completely spiraled off.

A lot of posters take great pleasure in putting down Indian bowlers as trundlers. Bhuvi bowled between 132-135 kph and others were all quicker. Not as quick as the Pakistani bowlers but not bog ordinary medium pacers either .

Phastest bowler Rauf got smashed whereas the slowest Bhuvi took 4/26.

Let Naseem do something substantial in one format atleaat before going off on rants which assume inherent superiority of Pakistani bowlers and their genes.

It will look really ugly if these phast and furious bowlers get whitewashed yet again in Australia and our bowlers get another series win there.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Unnecesarily hyping this guy won't do Ppers any good. This thread was started by a British Paistani poster in response to a post by a Pakistani poster.

We have seen similar hype for the likes of Aamir, Wahab, Irfan and a host of others and they barely did anything in their whole careers. Hasan is another whose career has completely spiraled off.

A lot of posters take great pleasure in putting down Indian bowlers as trundlers. Bhuvi bowled between 132-135 kph and others were all quicker. Not as quick as the Pakistani bowlers but not bog ordinary medium pacers either .

Phastest bowler Rauf got smashed whereas the slowest Bhuvi took 4/26.

Let Naseem do something substantial in one format atleaat before going off on rants which assume inherent superiority of Pakistani bowlers and their genes.

It will look really ugly if these phast and furious bowlers get whitewashed yet again in Australia and our bowlers get another series win there.

Who is overhyping him here? Please tell.

 

[Rana]

Who is overhyping him here? Please tell.

If India/Pakistan relations were the same before 2009, IPL franchises and Indian fans would be lining up to sign him.

 

[JaDed]

Indian team gets more hate on this forum due to specific phrases of this one Pakistani poster, almost seems like plans it out.

I doubt any Indian fan said that.

 

[shamaan]

Needs to stay focused and continue working on his fitness.

 

[Mobashir]

Ishant, Bumrah, Shami, Siraj, Saini, Umesh, Bhuvi, Prasidh Krishna, Nagakoti, Mavi, Ankit Rajpoot, K Tyagi, Warrier, Natarajan, Khaleel Ahmed, Aniket Choudhary, Avesh Khan, Kuldeep Sen, Ishwar Pandey, KM Asif, Basil Thampi, Ronit More, Abhimanyu Rajput, Tushar Deshpande, Rajneesh Gurbani, Lalit Yadav, Yash Thakur, Digvijay Deshmukh, Ishan Porel, Pawan Suyal

That's 8 shy of 38. But all of them are well capable of bowling at mid 80s with either vastly superior or equal skill to Naseem. There might be more but these are the bowlers I have seen in past couple of domestic seasons.

Haven't seen them all bowl but seeing Avesh Khan bowl these days tells me that you were 100% right.

Thank you. I have no doubt in my mind that each and every bowler in this list would outperform Naseem in the international arena if given an opportunity.

Hopefully someone else would do the honors of finding 8 more bowlers so that we can complete the set of 38.

Get well soon!

 

[Slim]

If India/Pakistan relations were the same before 2009, IPL franchises and Indian fans would be lining up to sign him.

What is your obsession with IPL? :/

 

[Romali_rotti]

We are good..

We have Avesh Khan and Arshdeep Singhs

..

 

[Farabi]

Unnecesarily hyping this guy won't do Ppers any good. This thread was started by a British Paistani poster in response to a post by a Pakistani poster.

We have seen similar hype for the likes of Aamir, Wahab, Irfan and a host of others and they barely did anything in their whole careers. Hasan is another whose career has completely spiraled off.

A lot of posters take great pleasure in putting down Indian bowlers as trundlers. Bhuvi bowled between 132-135 kph and others were all quicker. Not as quick as the Pakistani bowlers but not bog ordinary medium pacers either .

Phastest bowler Rauf got smashed whereas the slowest Bhuvi took 4/26.

Let Naseem do something substantial in one format atleaat before going off on rants which assume inherent superiority of Pakistani bowlers and their genes.

It will look really ugly if these phast and furious bowlers get whitewashed yet again in Australia and our bowlers get another series win there.

On current form, Bhuvi is better than all Pakistani bowlers in T20s including Shaheen due to his immaculate accuracy and ability to implement the bowling plans.
In Non-helpful conditions, Bhuvi will struggle where pacy bowlers like Shaheen/Rauf/Naseem have an edge as they take wicket out of the equation.

 

[zarak]

Unnecesarily hyping this guy won't do Ppers any good. This thread was started by a British Paistani poster in response to a post by a Pakistani poster.

We have seen similar hype for the likes of Aamir, Wahab, Irfan and a host of others and they barely did anything in their whole careers. Hasan is another whose career has completely spiraled off.

A lot of posters take great pleasure in putting down Indian bowlers as trundlers. Bhuvi bowled between 132-135 kph and others were all quicker. Not as quick as the Pakistani bowlers but not bog ordinary medium pacers either .

Phastest bowler Rauf got smashed whereas the slowest Bhuvi took 4/26.

Let Naseem do something substantial in one format atleaat before going off on rants which assume inherent superiority of Pakistani bowlers and their genes.

It will look really ugly if these phast and furious bowlers get whitewashed yet again in Australia and our bowlers get another series win there.

Not about hype. It was about addressing the absurd comments. Avesh Khan was on the list of 38 bowlers. Forget the fact that he got tonked by Hong Kong...that can happen. Anyone with any cricketing sense can look at Naseem bowl and see where he stands. No need to hype but no need to bring down either. He is a good talent hopefully works hard

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

We are good..

We have Avesh Khan and Arshdeep Singhs

..

This thread is not about naming 38 bowlers who are worse than Naseem lol.

 

[Hextro]

It's shocking to see how awful India's backup options are considering they have the most resources and manpower in world cricket. I wonder why they can't produce fast bowlers at the same rate as other countries with much smaller populations.

This thread has opened my eyes. Naseem is clearly better than the likes of Avesh Khan and Arshdeep Singh.

 

[Mesozoic]

It's shocking to see how awful India's backup options are considering they have the most resources and manpower in world cricket. I wonder why they can't produce fast bowlers at the same rate as other countries with much smaller populations.

This thread has opened my eyes. Naseem is clearly better than the likes of Avesh Khan and Arshdeep Singh.

Lol. Sit down mate. We won a series in Australia with literally our net bowlers. Come back here with your delusions when your main bowlers bowl a decent spell in SENA, let alone a match winning one.

People really do take these mickey mouse T20 games way more seriously than they should.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Lol. Sit down mate. We won a series in Australia with literally our net bowlers. Come back here with your delusions when your main bowlers bowl a decent spell in SENA, let alone a match winning one.

People really do take these mickey mouse T20 games way more seriously than they should.

Pakistani bowlers have never bowl a decent spell in SENA?

And these T20 matches are much better than your low quality lallu panju league matches. Now please name those 38 bowlers.

 

[giri26]

Pakistani bowlers have never bowl a decent spell in SENA?

And these T20 matches are much better than your low quality lallu panju league matches. Now please name those 38 bowlers.

Even though I agree there aren't 38 bowlers, not even close but the fact is that Shardul Thakur has more match changing/winning performances in SENA than any Pakistan bowler in the past 5 years. India do not have too many bowlers who are better than Naseem or Shaheen but I can assure you that whoever plays for India will have a longer and better career than both of them in the long run. History shows us that there hasn't been a single fast bowler since the two W's and Imran to breach 200 Test wickets.

 

[AMSS]

Haven't seen them all bowl but seeing Avesh Khan bowl these days tells me that you were 100% right.

I have seen Naseem bowl in Australia. He's not getting in a Ranji team here. Try again.

 

[AMSS]

Pakistani bowlers have never bowl a decent spell in SENA?

And these T20 matches are much better than your low quality lallu panju league matches. Now please name those 38 bowlers.

Pakistan is the lowest ranked test team since 2010....sitting at the bottom with Bangla and SL. Look up the stats. LMAO

Pakistan is a trash test team because they have a trash test attack. A ranji level attack. Why are you making it so difficult for yourself? )

 

[AMSS]

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...2012;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

Pakistan W/L worse than Afghanistan and competing with Lanka.

 

[Mobashir]

Ishant, Bumrah, Shami, Siraj, Saini, Umesh, Bhuvi, Prasidh Krishna, Nagakoti, Mavi, Ankit Rajpoot, K Tyagi, Warrier, Natarajan, Khaleel Ahmed, Aniket Choudhary, Avesh Khan, Kuldeep Sen, Ishwar Pandey, KM Asif, Basil Thampi, Ronit More, Abhimanyu Rajput, Tushar Deshpande, Rajneesh Gurbani, Lalit Yadav, Yash Thakur, Digvijay Deshmukh, Ishan Porel, Pawan Suyal

That's 8 shy of 38. But all of them are well capable of bowling at mid 80s with either vastly superior or equal skill to Naseem. There might be more but these are the bowlers I have seen in past couple of domestic seasons.

I have seen Naseem bowl in Australia. He's not getting in a Ranji team here. Try again.

Ok now it's not even 38 but about 100 better bowlers than him as he can't even get into a Ranji team.
Does Avesh Khan get a chance to play the prestegious Ranji?

 

[Mesozoic]

Removing the bashing of hapless Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, the guy's test average is 52 against decent sides. Not a single Indian fast bowler has a more worse average than that against good sides in the last 6 years. Make of that what you will....


Speaking bare facts. Before someone gets triggered...

 

[GreenBee]

Naseem is a horrible Umran Malik level bowler, never rated him and one respectable T20 doesn't change that. Dunno where that 38 bowlers number came from though, sounds like an exaggeration.

 

[Hextro]

Lol. Sit down mate. We won a series in Australia with literally our net bowlers. Come back here with your delusions when your main bowlers bowl a decent spell in SENA, let alone a match winning one.

People really do take these mickey mouse T20 games way more seriously than they should.

Typical Indian fan response nowadays. But but Australia! The win in Aus was good but what has your team done other than that? You guys just lost in New Zealand, England, South Africa, and the World Test Championship. You haven't won an ICC trophy in over 9 years. Had you guys won a trophy you'd be going bananas over it instead. Tone down the chest-thumping for a bit and try to have a civilized on-topic discussion for once Mesozoic.

Anyways back to the main topic. Way to miss the point. I'm not arguing whether or not India has 38 better fast bowlers than Naseem because it's quite clear it doesn't, I'd be a clown to argue otherwise. My argument is that India should have 38 better fast bowlers than Naseem due to their overall population and cricket resources. Give Sri Lanka or Afghanistan India's population and cricket resources and they'll develop 38 better fast bowlers than Naseem.

 

[Mesozoic]

Typical Indian fan response nowadays. But but Australia! The win in Aus was good but what has your team done other than that? You guys just lost in New Zealand, England, South Africa, and the World Test Championship. You haven't won an ICC trophy in over 9 years. Had you guys won a trophy you'd be going bananas over it instead. Tone down the chest-thumping for a bit and try to have a civilized on-topic discussion for once Mesozoic.

Lol look who got triggered now. You were the one who took a lame dig and now that the mirror is shown you want a "civilised discussion". )

And a bigger lol at " But but Australia". Win a test there.. no no scratch that... At least draw a test there instead of desperately try to downplay the greatest test series win of all time. What is it? 14-0? 15-0?

P.S - We didn't lose jn England. It was a 2-2 draw. Atleast don't start lying nos.

Anyways back to the main topic. Way to miss the point. I'm not arguing whether or not India has 38 better fast bowlers than Naseem because it's quite clear it doesn't, I'd be a clown to argue otherwise. My argument is that India should have 38 better fast bowlers than Naseem due to their overall population and cricket resources. Give Sri Lanka or Afghanistan India's population and cricket resources and they'll develop 38 better fast bowlers than Naseem.

Aahh yess here comes the population and "resources" argument. Why does Pakistan always get their behinds handed by Australia despite having 10 times more resources? Surely, if Afghanistan Or Sri Lanka had that, they'd have won multiple test series' in Australia by now. No?

 

[Hextro]

Lol look who got triggered now. You were the one who took a lame dig and now that the mirror is shown you want a "civilised discussion". )

And a bigger lol at " But but Australia". Win a test there.. no no scratch that... At least draw a test there instead of desperately try to downplay the greatest test series win of all time. What is it? 14-0? 15-0?

Again with the imaginary parameters you guys create for yourself. Sri Lanka won a test series in SA. No other Asian team has ever won a series in SA yet you don't see Lanka fans losing it like you guys do.

For the last time stop trying to go off-topic.

don't start lying nos.

What does "nos" mean? You guys did lose in England 4-1. I didn't think the clarification was needed.

Aahh yess here comes the population and "resources" argument. Why does Pakistan always get their behinds handed by Australia despite having 10 times more resources? Surely, if Afghanistan Or Sri Lanka had that, they'd have won multiple test series' in Australia by now. No?

What's with the Aus benchmark? We're 100 to 70 or something against you guys in all formats.

I can't imagine the sheer amount of delusion you guys would have had Ind one a trophy in the last 9 years. 38 better fast bowlers than Naseem lol.

 

[Hitman]

And a bigger lol at " But but Australia". Win a test there.. no no scratch that... At least draw a test there instead of desperately try to downplay the greatest test series win of all time. What is it? 14-0? 15-0?

The last time Pakistan drew a Test match in Australia was when Javed Miandad was still playing )

 

[Mobashir]

The last time Pakistan drew a Test match in Australia was when Javed Miandad was still playing )

Lol look who got triggered now. You were the one who took a lame dig and now that the mirror is shown you want a "civilised discussion". )

And a bigger lol at " But but Australia". Win a test there.. no no scratch that... At least draw a test there instead of desperately try to downplay the greatest test series win of all time. What is it? 14-0? 15-0?

P.S - We didn't lose jn England. It was a 2-2 draw. Atleast don't start lying nos.




Aahh yess here comes the population and "resources" argument. Why does Pakistan always get their behinds handed by Australia despite having 10 times more resources? Surely, if Afghanistan Or Sri Lanka had that, they'd have won multiple test series' in Australia by now. No?

Do you think there are 38 better fast bowlers than Naseem Shah in India?

 

[GreenBee]

Typical Indian fan response nowadays. But but Australia! The win in Aus was good but what has your team done other than that? You guys just lost in New Zealand, England, South Africa, and the World Test Championship. You haven't won an ICC trophy in over 9 years. Had you guys won a trophy you'd be going bananas over it instead. Tone down the chest-thumping for a bit and try to have a civilized on-topic discussion for once Mesozoic.

Anyways back to the main topic. Way to miss the point. I'm not arguing whether or not India has 38 better fast bowlers than Naseem because it's quite clear it doesn't, I'd be a clown to argue otherwise. My argument is that India should have 38 better fast bowlers than Naseem due to their overall population and cricket resources. Give Sri Lanka or Afghanistan India's population and cricket resources and they'll develop 38 better fast bowlers than Naseem.

I think the point he is trying to make is that Indian net bowlers have outperformed Pakistan's main attack overseas, which is true.

But I will agree, it's highly unlikely that India has 38 better bowlers than Nasim Shah. Despite zero skills, he can still bowl 3-4 overs at 140kph, that's decent.

 

[Mesozoic]

Again with the imaginary parameters you guys create for yourself. Sri Lanka won a test series in SA. No other Asian team has ever won a series in SA yet you don't see Lanka fans losing it like you guys do.

For the last time stop trying to go off-topic.

What does "nos" mean? You guys did lose in England 4-1. I didn't think the clarification was needed.

What imaginary parameters lol? Test cricket is the premier format and winning a long Test series in foreign conditions against tough opponents is one of the pinnacles of this sport , only next to winning the 50 over world Cup. And India achieved that with a reserve side.

And what is with the desperation in bringing up a series that was played 4 years ago we had the same fixture recently? Just because it suits your agenda? As bizarre as it gets..

What's with the Aus benchmark? We're 100 to 70 or something against you guys in all formats.

I can't imagine the sheer amount of delusion you guys would have had Ind one a trophy in the last 9 years. 38 better fast bowlers than Naseem lol.

That "100 to 70" (another incorrect assertion by a mile) is useless when we have won more major titles than you and kept on beating you at the biggest stage for 3 decades. Try harder.

 

[Mesozoic]

Do you think there are 38 better fast bowlers than Naseem Shah in India?

This is a bizarre thread is what I will say. Reeks on insecurity and snowflaky nature of Pak fans these days..

One poster (that too a Pakistani) puts a non literal statement to describe the pathetic performance of a hyped up bowler and suddenly we have a 7 page long thread discussing that statement. )

It's like discussing batting technique , average and stats of Geoffrey Boycott's mother because he called her a better batter than the guy in your team.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pakistan is the lowest ranked test team since 2010....sitting at the bottom with Bangla and SL. Look up the stats. LMAO

Pakistan is a trash test team because they have a trash test attack. A ranji level attack. Why are you making it so difficult for yourself? )

Why do our fans keep comparing our players with Pakistani players then?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Why do our fans keep comparing our players with Pakistani players then?

Thread is not made by an Indian fan.

 

[Rana]

Naseem averages 38 with the ball and plays only 1 format. I know he's potentially the next Malcolm Marshall and everything but after years of the Aamir hype and him ending up with a test record comparable to Umesh Yadav, I thought PPers would know better

Great post

 

[Rana]

I told you in the other thread. All you have to do is look at each 38 FC sides and you will find a better bowler than him in all of those teams. You also cannot seem to decide if you are asking for better bowlers or faster bowlers, because there is a difference between the two.

Either way, Naseem is bowling at 82-83 mph, which is nothing. Moreover, in terms of skill he is zero. He has a big mouth and likes to see fear in batsmen’s eyes but he doesn’t have the skill to take wickets.

India is a top cricket nation. On the other hand, Pakistan is hovering just above minnow level, and our competition is now teams like Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. We need to compare our players with them and not with the likes of Indians who are in a different league.

It is 6:08 am right now and I am in a rush, but it will be interested to look at each and every Indian FC team later today and see the names of bowlers who are better than Mr. “I like to see fear in batsmen’s eyes but I cannot take wickets”...

If you can do the honors yourself and list all the names of the bowling attacks from each Indian FC side, it would be kind of you and would spare me the 10 mins that I can utilize to give Pakistani fans a reality-check in some other thread.

Amazing post

 

[Rana]

Ishant, Bumrah, Shami, Siraj, Saini, Umesh, Bhuvi, Prasidh Krishna, Nagakoti, Mavi, Ankit Rajpoot, K Tyagi, Warrier, Natarajan, Khaleel Ahmed, Aniket Choudhary, Avesh Khan, Kuldeep Sen, Ishwar Pandey, KM Asif, Basil Thampi, Ronit More, Abhimanyu Rajput, Tushar Deshpande, Rajneesh Gurbani, Lalit Yadav, Yash Thakur, Digvijay Deshmukh, Ishan Porel, Pawan Suyal

That's 8 shy of 38. But all of them are well capable of bowling at mid 80s with either vastly superior or equal skill to Naseem. There might be more but these are the bowlers I have seen in past couple of domestic seasons.

OMG there are actually 30 better bowlers than Naseem in India

 

[Rana]

He should thank his stars that NZ gifted him some cheap useless wickets in the last innings or else his average would have been atleast 100+.

Now watch the excuses of him being "just 16 years old"...

And then they say why does his age even matter....)

Thanks to SuryaKong Yadav and Fay EL Rahul for gifting their wickets to Naseem

 

[Rana]

Man... I'll be disappointed if we don't have 38 bowlers better than this guy.

You must be very disappointed?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

What imaginary parameters lol? Test cricket is the premier format and winning a long Test series in foreign conditions against tough opponents is one of the pinnacles of this sport , only next to winning the 50 over world Cup. And India achieved that with a reserve side.

And what is with the desperation in bringing up a series that was played 4 years ago we had the same fixture recently? Just because it suits your agenda? As bizarre as it gets..





That "100 to 70" (another incorrect assertion by a mile) is useless when we have won more major titles than you and kept on beating you at the biggest stage for 3 decades. Try harder.

Do you even know what SENA means? Here is a hint : it doesn't mean Australia only. You are concentrating only on beating one of the weakest Australian team in last 2 decades. You are ignoring our performances against NZ, Eng and South Africa. And how frequently Pakistan tours Australia?

 

[Mesozoic]

You must be very disappointed?

Why would I be? I'm still sure that we have 38 better red ball bowlers than Naseem "52 average against decent sides and 70 avg in SENA" Naseem.

 

[Mesozoic]

Do you even know what SENA means? Here is a hint : it doesn't mean Australia only. You are concentrating only on beating one of the weakest Australian team in last 2 decades. You are ignoring our performances against NZ, Eng and South Africa. And how frequently Pakistan tours Australia?

This guy ) )


"oNe oF tHe wEaKeSt"..... Yes the same team that thrashed England 4-0 twice in a row, New Zealand 3-0 and 2-0 and the same side that embarrassed you guys on your home soil. Yeah they're weaker than Papua new Guinea..

And can you blame Australia for now inviting you guys frequently? It's the same reason why India doesn't invite Bangladesh for home test series'.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Great post

Atleast wait till he performs consistently and wins you a series somewhere before getting prematurely excited.

You haven't won a test match in SENA in 4 years or even a test series in Lanka or Windies .

 

[Hextro]

I think the point he is trying to make is that Indian net bowlers have outperformed Pakistan's main attack overseas, which is true.

They outperformed India's own main attack by the same standards.

But I will agree, it's highly unlikely that India has 38 better bowlers than Nasim Shah. Despite zero skills, he can still bowl 3-4 overs at 140kph, that's decent.

Thankfully someone with common sense.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

This guy ) )


"oNe oF tHe wEaKeSt"..... Yes the same team that thrashed England 4-0 twice in a row, New Zealand 3-0 and 2-0 and the same side that embarrassed you guys on your home soil. Yeah they're weaker than Papua new Guinea..

And can you blame Australia for now inviting you guys frequently? It's the same reason why India doesn't invite Bangladesh for home test series'.

LMAO so that was one of the strongest according to you? Can't blame you though, you have never watched the great Australian team of all time play live. Stick to that lallu panju league.

 

[Hextro]

What imaginary parameters lol? Test cricket is the premier format and winning a long Test series in foreign conditions against tough opponents is one of the pinnacles of this sport , only next to winning the 50 over world Cup. And India achieved that with a reserve side.

Why hasn't Ind won in SA, NZ, and Eng if its fast bowling reserves are full of ATGs? Having 38 better fast bowlers must mean India is dominating every tournament including the world cups it plays. Right? Keep in mind Ind played its full-strength attack in those countries and tournaments.

38 bowlers that can bowl 140+ consistently. Step away peak Pak, Aus, SA, and WI bowling attacks we have a new player in town.

And what is with the desperation in bringing up a series that was played 4 years ago we had the same fixture recently? Just because it suits your agenda? As bizarre as it gets..

Covering all the Ls vs the single W.

That "100 to 70" (another incorrect assertion by a mile) is useless when we have won more major titles than you and kept on beating you at the biggest stage for 3 decades. Try harder.

You're right. I thought we had already won 100 times against India, I guess I was wrong.

Pak - 87

Ind - 71

That's a pretty good number for Pak considering India's population is over 6 times more than Pakistan's. If only India had produced these 38 better than Naseem fast bowlers earlier they might've won more.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Why hasn't Ind won in SA, NZ, and Eng if its fast bowling reserves are full of ATGs? Having 38 better fast bowlers must mean India is dominating every tournament including the world cups it plays. Right? Keep in mind Ind played its full-strength attack in those countries and tournaments.

38 bowlers that can bowl 140+ consistently. Step away peak Pak, Aus, SA, and WI bowling attacks we have a new player in town.



Covering all the Ls vs the single W.



You're right. I thought we had already won 100 times against India, I guess I was wrong.

Pak - 87

Ind - 71

That's a pretty good number for Pak considering India's population is over 6 times more than Pakistan's. If only India had produced these 38 better than Naseem fast bowlers earlier they might've won more.

We still won 2 tests in England and a test in South Africa. Surely , Pakistan would have done better if they had supposedly better bowlers. Getting beaten in every single test match in the southern hemisphere in the last 11 years does not support that line of thought though.

 

[Rana]

Atleast wait till he performs consistently and wins you a series somewhere before getting prematurely excited.

You haven't won a test match in SENA in 4 years or even a test series in Lanka or Windies .

At least at least…..


Another candidate for FCOTF post

“Flying Chittar on the face post”

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

At least at least…..


Another candidate for FCOTF post

“Flying Chittar on the face post”

The Chittar is what Naseem got vs Crawley.. a batter who could not put bat to ball after that legendary innings of 270 lol..

 

[Rana]

The Chittar is what Naseem got vs Crawley.. a batter who could not put bat to ball after that legendary innings of 270 lol..

That Chittar kept flying past Naseem and straight into Suryakumar’s stumps which went cartwheeling to Sharjah

 

[Hextro]

We still won 2 tests in England and a test in South Africa. Surely , Pakistan would have done better if they had supposedly better bowlers. Getting beaten in every single test match in the southern hemisphere in the last 11 years does not support that line of thought though.

Against NZ - lost 2-0

Against SA - lost 2-1, 2-1 twice

against Eng - lost 4-1 and drew 2-2

The thing is we aren't going around calling ourselves the best in the world. You guys won in Aus but outside of that, you have nothing much to show. Your team will be made fun of when you guys start going around saying "we have 38 better fast bowlers than Naseem". Where are these "fast bowlers"? One would think India is winning every series and tournament it plays looking at the delusions of its supporters.

 

[TheNeutralist]

So Pakistan has so many great fast bowlers and none of them were able to take 200 wickets in their career for the past many years?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Against NZ - lost 2-0

Against SA - lost 2-1, 2-1 twice

against Eng - lost 4-1 and drew 2-2

The thing is we aren't going around calling ourselves the best in the world. You guys won in Aus but outside of that, you have nothing much to show. Your team will be made fun of when you guys start going around saying "we have 38 better fast bowlers than Naseem". Where are these "fast bowlers"? One would think India is winning every series and tournament it plays looking at the delusions of its supporters.

Pretty sure there is a thread here calling the present Indian team the greatest Indian team of all time just because we won against the weakest Australian team of all time.

 

[zarak]

Even though I agree there aren't 38 bowlers, not even close but the fact is that Shardul Thakur has more match changing/winning performances in SENA than any Pakistan bowler in the past 5 years. India do not have too many bowlers who are better than Naseem or Shaheen but I can assure you that whoever plays for India will have a longer and better career than both of them in the long run. History shows us that there hasn't been a single fast bowler since the two W's and Imran to breach 200 Test wickets.

Same history told us that India has never produced a fast bowler. Take it easy, stuff changes.

 

[Mesozoic]

LMAO so that was one of the strongest according to you? Can't blame you though, you have never watched the great Australian team of all time play live. Stick to that lallu panju league.

Don't run away now. I never claimed it was the strongest or anything. Go ahead and prove me how the team that we beat in 2020/21 was "one of the weakest" Australian teams. I'll be waiting.

 

[Mesozoic]

[MENTION=156349]Hextro[/MENTION] bhai jaan....

You're not getting the point we're trying to make here and going on an emotional tangent here..

Having 38 better fast bowlers than Naseem "52 average against decent teams and 70 average in SENA" Shah doesn't mean that India are filled to the rim with ATG bowlers. The bar is so low with Naseem that not a single Indian bowler has a worse average than him against decent sides in the last 7-8 years. Every Indian fringe bowler that debuts will in tests will leap above the bar.

 

[Mesozoic]

Same history told us that India has never produced a fast bowler. Take it easy, stuff changes.

But somehow still has a comfortably better fast bowling attack than the self proclaimed best phast bowling nation.

*confused unga bunga*

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Pretty sure there is a thread here calling the present Indian team the greatest Indian team of all time just because we won against the weakest Australian team of all time.

Weakest Australian team of all team that went on to win a series in Pakistan of all places. Atleast troll with some credibility if troll you must