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Inzamam-ul-Haq or Virat Kohli? Who would you take in the Test format?

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Inzamam overall average = 49.60

Virat Kohli overall average = 49.55

Obviously, Virat still has a long way to go but he will only get better from here. Who would you take as it stands ?

It's worth pointing out that Inzi has been dreadful in Australia and South Africa. Kohli on the other hand has been decent in Australia, South Africa and New Zealand; only England is left to be conquered.
 
Hard to pick one of the two as of now. But one thing for sure, Kohli with his talent needs to do a lot more in Test cricket.
 
Kohli is nowhere near Inzamam at this stage. Kohli has played a couple of tests in South Africa and hasn't played more than a single series in England and New Zealand, if I'm not mistaken.

Eventually, Kohli can match Inzamam in this format but I do not believe that he will be able to surpass the big man.
 
Inzi played in the 90s which had an incredible standard of bowling. In time who knows but for now Inzi.
 
Kohli is nowhere near Inzamam at this stage. Kohli has played a couple of tests in South Africa and hasn't played more than a single series in England and New Zealand, if I'm not mistaken.

Eventually, Kohli can match Inzamam in this format but I do not believe that he will be able to surpass the big man.

I see that you have conveniently left out Australia and the fact that Kohli already has a hindred in SAF which Inzi never managed ? I suspect pretty soon ... England will be declared as the ONLY real Test of Batting :)
 
Kohli. Has better record in foreign away conditions in Aus, SA while Inzi only trumps in England (and even then his average is only 42). Kohli vs YK would be a better comparison, where YK wins atm.
 
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Kohli is several leagues above Inzamam as a batsman. He is in the category of Viv, Tendulkar, Lara and Ponting. Inzamam was an excellent batsman but not in the league of the ATGs.

Purely in Test format, I would take Kohli over Inzamam already even though the former is entering his peak years now.
 
I see that you have conveniently left out Australia and the fact that Kohli already has a hindred in SAF which Inzi never managed ? I suspect pretty soon ... England will be declared as the ONLY real Test of Batting :)

Yes, and? Kohli is a good batsman and like every good batsman, has done some good things in his career thus far. One good match in South Africa does not make him better than Inzmam ul Haq.

Unless, Inzamam's brilliant WC KO innings makes him a better ODI player than Kohli?

I would also be cautious about flaunting Kohli's record in South Africa (just the two matches, btw) so close to a South African safari. Kohli may come out worse than he is going in.
 
Kohli is nothing more than a good test batsman right now. He's on the Azhar Ali, Kane Williamson, Faf du Plessis level and even mentioning his name alongside Sachin, Lara and Ponting is the height of *********.

What he does or doesn't do in the future can be discussed as his career matures. The upcoming series in South Africa and then England will be good markers of his progress or lack of.
 
Ok, that's a bit of an exaggeration. So is comparing VK with Inzi

Inzi is not leagues above Kohli. They both are equal at the moment in terms of impact.

Kohli's will average well over 50 in the next 2 years leaving behind Inzi. Inzi is a Pakistani great. Not an ATG which Kohli will be in the near future.
 
Kohli is nothing more than a good test batsman right now. He's on the Azhar Ali, Kane Williamson, Faf du Plessis level and even mentioning his name alongside Sachin, Lara and Ponting is the height of *********.

What he does or doesn't do in the future can be discussed as his career matures. The upcoming series in South Africa and then England will be good markers of his progress or lack of.

Ali and Kane are better test batsmen than kholi.
 
Whenever different eras are involved its always not a good idea to compare batsmen. Inzamam faced this bowling attack in his career:

Walsh and Ambrose
McGrath and McDermott/Lee/Gillespie/Warne
Donald and Pollock
Kumble
Murali

Kohli has faced an attack at best

Steyn
Anderson
Herath
Boult
Starc and Hazlewood
Swann

It's fair to say Kohli hasn't faced the kind of attack that Inzi in his time did but then again that's not Kohli's fault. He can only play what's in front of him. Maybe Kohli would've succeeded in the 90's as well or maybe he would not have. Better to refrain from comparing players in different eras.
 
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Just want to share a small stat here.........

Inzi has a total of 25 tons.

Out of those 25 tons 17 came in wins and in these 17 games Inzi is averaging 222.27

10 out of those 17 100s are away while only 7 are at home.


Away winnings centuries came against the following oppositions...

New Zealand
England
West Indies
India
Zimbabwe
Sri Lanka
Bangladesh.

The centuries range from years 1994-2005 (an era where bat sizes, pitches, boundaries, less technology in the game) all gave bowlers a significant edge unlike the run fest on highways that happen today.....

Make what you may of the above...
 
Just want to share a small stat here.........

Inzi has a total of 25 tons.

Out of those 25 tons 17 came in wins and in these 17 games Inzi is averaging 222.27

10 out of those 17 100s are away while only 7 are at home.


Away winnings centuries came against the following oppositions...

New Zealand
England
West Indies
India
Zimbabwe
Sri Lanka
Bangladesh.

The centuries range from years 1994-2005 (an era where bat sizes, pitches, boundaries, less technology in the game) all gave bowlers a significant edge unlike the run fest on highways that happen today.....

Make what you may of the above...

As the old saying goes, bowlers win test matches. Not batsman.

Should we equate the pak bowlers in the given time frame with indian lot?
 
^ Good information. Inzamam should have reached the ATG level but he underachieved. Despite that, he's a great batsman and far ahead of a nobody like Virat Kohli. Let Kohli overtake VVS and become a certain feature in his team's all-time XI first.
 
As the old saying goes, bowlers win test matches. Not batsman.

Should we equate the pak bowlers in the given time frame with indian lot?

Bowlers definitely are the match-winners which is why Imran is clearly better than Sachin Tendulker and Wasim is on par with the Indian legend.

However, some batsmen contribute more towards their team's wins and Inzamam was one of the very best at it.
 
Kohli is several leagues above Inzamam as a batsman. He is in the category of Viv, Tendulkar, Lara and Ponting. Inzamam was an excellent batsman but not in the league of the ATGs.

Purely in Test format, I would take Kohli over Inzamam already even though the former is entering his peak years now.

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Kohli is several leagues above Inzamam as a batsman. He is in the category of Viv, Tendulkar, Lara and Ponting. Inzamam was an excellent batsman but not in the league of the ATGs.

Purely in Test format, I would take Kohli over Inzamam already even though the former is entering his peak years now.

The ATG averages 13 in England. Shoooopershtar
 
Inzi directly helped Pak win a WC when he was what 21? 22? in the 92 WC. Kohli turns into a puppy when it comes to world events.
 
Inzi directly helped Pak win a WC when he was what 21? 22? in the 92 WC. Kohli turns into a puppy when it comes to world events.

Kohli was also the same age when he played for India in 2011 WC.

Kohli is also a WC winner. He did not get chances to play like Inzi did due to batting talent in India. Inzi had to compete with a pathetic Pak batting lineup.
 
I will take Kohli. Inzy was embarrassingly bad in Australia and SA, two top teams of his time.
 
Only 1 country? What about the Rest?

Kohli will set the record straight this time around. Just wait and watch.

1 century in 120 innings in both formats of the game combined against Australia and South Africa. Guess the player?
 
Inzamam overall average = 49.60

Virat Kohli overall average = 49.55

Obviously, Virat still has a long way to go but he will only get better from here. Who would you take as it stands ?

It's worth pointing out that Inzi has been dreadful in Australia and South Africa. Kohli on the other hand has been decent in Australia, South Africa and New Zealand; only England is left to be conquered.

Inzamam was a failure in Australia, South Africa and West Indies

Kohli is ATG everywhere except England where Inzamam excelled

Kohli all the way, Inzamam is over hyped a lot
 
1 century in 120 innings in both formats of the game combined against Australia and South Africa. Guess the player?

Though Kohli is better, you can't directly compare Inzy with Kohli because pitches in Australia and SA were completely different in Inzy's time and it was not easy to face McGrath, Gillespie, Warne, McGill, Donald, and Pollock.
 
One player has taken retirement after completing his international career while the other is young , has almost 10 years of cricket left , and still trying to establish him as a good test batsman . Kohli has a higher ceiling even in tests than inzi but at the moment, it is unreasonable to compare these two batsmen . Like should be treated alike.
Lately these comparisons threads are too frequently created.
 
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Inzi,

Kohli's avg will dropdown to around 40-45 when he retires.
 
The comparison makes no sense.

Do people here know that Dravid in his first tour to SA scored a 148 vs Donald/ Pollock and had a great series there? We all know how it ended up though.

A player with mimimum two or three overseas tours should only be compared with the one who has retired.

Till now Kohli's legacy in tests is:

1. Australia 2014/2015 ( yes those were pattas but you gotta score there)

Make those comparisons after the end of the coming overseas tour because he will be old when he comes back to tour away again.
 
The comparison makes no sense.

Do people here know that Dravid in his first tour to SA scored a 148 vs Donald/ Pollock and had a great series there? We all know how it ended up though.

A player with mimimum two or three overseas tours should only be compared with the one who has retired.

Till now Kohli's legacy in tests is:

1. Australia 2014/2015 ( yes those were pattas but you gotta score there)

Make those comparisons after the end of the coming overseas tour because he will be old when he comes back to tour away again.

The difference is that Inzamam never did well in Australia or South Africa even for one series. He has one century in Australia and 0 in South Africa. Kohli already has 5 in Australia and one in South Africa.

I think it is too early for this comparison though.
 
The difference is that Inzamam never did well in Australia or South Africa even for one series. He has one century in Australia and 0 in South Africa. Kohli already has 5 in Australia and one in South Africa.

I think it is too early for this comparison though.

Inzamam has a beast record in England, NZ, Ind and WI.

Kohli will end up as better test player than Inzy IMO but there is too long a timing for him to retire.

When thise overseas tour ends ,we will be in better position of talking Kohli's ceiling.
 
Inzamam has a beast record in England, NZ, Ind and WI.

Kohli will end up as better test player than Inzy IMO but there is too long a timing for him to retire.

When thise overseas tour ends ,we will be in better position of talking Kohli's ceiling.

An average of 42.5 is good, but beastly since when?
 
An average of 42.5 is good, but beastly since when?

I mean overall. Didn't checked that.

Surpassing Inzy isn't enough to be an ATG.

The likes of Dravid, Smith and Amla have three four series defining performances away from home in their career. Cook has 2. Kohli has one.

So we can think what more he needs?

And to be at Tendulkar/ Lara/ Ponting level, you have to do special things.
 
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Player A has scored half the runs as player B, at similar average, in relatively batting friendly conditions facing inferior bowlers.
No way Kohli is better than Inzi at this stage of his career.
 
This is really hard because Inzi's average did not drop because he did not play Pakistani bowlers although he did play in a tougher era in the first half of his career.

Kohli does not get to bash his own countrymen to improve his average as well.

I am going with Kohli simply because I know for sure he will end up as an ATG because he is hungry for more, has excellent work ethic, I would have choosen Inzi if he was hungry for runs instead of parathas.
 
This is really hard because Inzi's average did not drop because he did not play Pakistani bowlers although he did play in a tougher era in the first half of his career.

Kohli does not get to bash his own countrymen to improve his average as well.

I am going with Kohli simply because I know for sure he will end up as an ATG because he is hungry for more, has excellent work ethic, I would have choosen Inzi if he was hungry for runs instead of parathas.

On the contrary, Kohli is lucky to not face his own bowlers in India where Ashwin is the Bradman of bowling.
 
Comparing Inzzy to Kohli is not right at this moment. Another 20-25 tests by Kohli and then comparison may be justified. Too early to compare with retired players with 100 tests.
 
Though Kohli is better, you can't directly compare Inzy with Kohli because pitches in Australia and SA were completely different in Inzy's time and it was not easy to face McGrath, Gillespie, Warne, McGill, Donald, and Pollock.

Yes, and I guess it is easy to face Johnson, Harris, Hazlewood, Starc, Philander, Steyn, Morkel. And ofcourse Boult, Wagner, Southee, Broad, Jimmy are super easy to play against I'm sure. It was so SO tough earlier. Batsmen played with toothpick and ofcourse the seam and the swing, how could I forget that - we never saw a 400+ in Australia or SA.
 
If you boast bowlers of previous era than
Teams in this era would not even allow Inzi to take single = Runout
Talent is something but Hardwork is everything that is Virat
 
As of now; Inzamam and that isn't even the bias speaking. Kohli still has time though as he is not even 30!
 
Yes, and I guess it is easy to face Johnson, Harris, Hazlewood, Starc, Philander, Steyn, Morkel. And ofcourse Boult, Wagner, Southee, Broad, Jimmy are super easy to play against I'm sure. It was so SO tough earlier. Batsmen played with toothpick and ofcourse the seam and the swing, how could I forget that - we never saw a 400+ in Australia or SA.

Except Steyn, none of them are even close to the bowlers I mentioned. Don't mix ODIs with tests. ODI tracks have been flatter far more longer than tests.
 
On the contrary, Kohli is lucky to not face his own bowlers in India where Ashwin is the Bradman of bowling.

That's very much true, but I'll still take Kohli in my batting line up because he is less prone to run outs and will score more runs through doubles and triples.
 
You can average 25 if you really suck but 13? Even Umar Gul and Saeed Ajmal average more than him in England LOL

How many cricketers whom you consider greats, do average >35-40 in each country? Make sure each country...thanks.

So if a cricketer does very well in all the countries except one, he should be not considered great? Lara, Ponting are not great cricketers?
 
How many cricketers whom you consider greats, do average >35-40 in each country? Make sure each country...thanks.

So if a cricketer does very well in all the countries except one, he should be not considered great? Lara, Ponting are not great cricketers?

I am not saying Virat is great test batsman but should give credit to him where it's due.
 
How many cricketers whom you consider greats, do average >35-40 in each country? Make sure each country...thanks.

So if a cricketer does very well in all the countries except one, he should be not considered great? Lara, Ponting are not great cricketers?

Only one player has that distinction and his name is Sachin Tendulkar. He averaged 40+ in every country he played in.
 
Only one player has that distinction and his name is Sachin Tendulkar. He averaged 40+ in every country he played in.

I know, this question was for those posters who considers Kohli a nobody batsman based on his avg in only one country. Does it mean that as per their criteria, no one can be cosidered great except Sachin (going strictly by criteria of avg)?
 
In his prime - Inzy was a treat to watch (esp in Asia)

However, can't deny Kohli's class. He already has several double centuries and looks to be pushing on for greater things.

I would say Inzy is slightly ahead but would not surprise me one bit if Kohli soon surpasses him.
 
Inzamam was a failure in Australia, South Africa and West Indies

Kohli is ATG everywhere except England where Inzamam excelled

Kohli all the way, Inzamam is over hyped a lot




Gotta have what you were smoking:

Inzi's record against WI (in WI):
v West Indies 1993-2005 7 12 1 634 135 57.63

And for your info, Dravid who everyone says was a giant and ATG, sucked even worse in SA compared to Inzi...full 2 points less despite Inzi only averaging 31.78 there!

Hype and claims without anything to backup for always ends being a disaster
 
I know, this question was for those posters who considers Kohli a nobody batsman based on his avg in only one country. Does it mean that as per their criteria, no one can be cosidered great except Sachin (going strictly by criteria of avg)?




When Inzi's average of 30+ in Australia and SA is called really poor, then someone averaging 13 in England gotta be the worse batsman ever!
 
I know, this question was for those posters who considers Kohli a nobody batsman based on his avg in only one country. Does it mean that as per their criteria, no one can be cosidered great except Sachin (going strictly by criteria of avg)?

I think that is quite an interesting way to look when comparing retired test greats. Intrigued by what I would find I did some digging and selected five random names from the last 2 decades that I thought would be worthy names when comparing to sachin (at least statistically) - Safe to say Sachin remains THE MODERN GOAT batsmen even after the comparison but this is how others have fared.

Note: The list consists of Sanga, YK, Punter, Lara, and Kallis. Averages in countries below < 40 have been marked with a red outlined box. YK among the five players is the only player that has centuries in all countries he's played in and has the best 4th Innings average. Have a look guys:

Sanga
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YK
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Ponting
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Lara
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Kallis
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Interesting stats these tbh! Also had YK not been in the retirement mood in his last WI series he would've been the 1st one after Sachin to not have 40+ average in only 1 country :facepalm: :facepalm:.....

I'll do a one for the players currently playing as well shortly!! Let's see how future 'confirmed GOATs' compare right now :P
 
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Quite a slow day at work......So I did the same above filtering for current players as well :D

Players I've selected: Smith, Cook, Williamson, Root, Virat, and Azhar

Smith

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Cook

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Williamson

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Root

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Virat

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Azhar

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Conclusion notes:

1) To be fair, I don't exactly know who came up with the whole Kane, Root, Virat, Smith analogy because Smith is so far ahead of the other three right now it's not even funny and the fact that Smith actually started his career as a leg spinner is just the perfect egg on the face :P - Similarly Azhar too was a proper tailender who commenced his career as a geuine leg spinning #10.

2) Among the 6 chosen logically, there are two tiers only (Smith and Cook - Tier 1: Possible Test ATGs) and (Kane, Root, Virat, Azhar - Tier 2: Can jump to Tier 1 if they correct their red marked averages).

3) Only root and virat are the ones in that list who have averages <20 in away venues - I am not too sure what I can make of that tbh but batting averages in the teens in any country should never let anyone stake claim to being an ATG. You can't be an ATG and have a <20 in any venue you might have featured (This is a personal opinion)

4) Azhar is the only one in that list that has a triple century to his name.
 
Conclusion notes:

1) To be fair, I don't exactly know who came up with the whole Kane, Root, Virat, Smith analogy because Smith is so far ahead of the other three right now it's not even funny and the fact that Smith actually started his career as a leg spinner is just the perfect egg on the face :P - Similarly Azhar too was a proper tailender who commenced his career as a geuine leg spinning #10.

2) Among the 6 chosen logically, there are two tiers only (Smith and Cook - Tier 1: Possible Test ATGs) and (Kane, Root, Virat, Azhar - Tier 2: Can jump to Tier 1 if they correct their red marked averages).

3) Only root and virat are the ones in that list who have averages <20 in away venues - I am not too sure what I can make of that tbh but batting averages in the teens in any country should never let anyone stake claim to being an ATG. You can't be an ATG and have a <20 in any venue you might have featured (This is a personal opinion)

4) Azhar is the only one in that list that has a triple century to his name.

Ponting was averaging in teens in India till the start of 2008 tour, after which he just managed to get his average past 20. Do you think he deserved his ATG status in 2006-7?

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Ponting was averaging in teens in India till the start of 2008 tour, after which he just managed to get his average past 20. Do you think he deserved his ATG status in 2006-7?

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Ponting is retired mate :facepalm: The post that you're quoting from is for active current players........ As I said the jury is out on all of them especially for those that have averages in the teens.

The concluding note was in relation to if and when they retire and still have a dang average RPI in the teens then it becomes really difficult to justify them as an ATG (I think the post was self explanatory tbh)......
 
Ponting is retired mate :facepalm: The post that you're quoting from is for active current players........ As I said the jury is out on all of them especially for those that have averages in the teens.

The concluding note was in relation to if and when they retire and still have a dang average RPI in the teens then it becomes really difficult to justify them as an ATG (I think the post was self explanatory tbh)......

So, had Ponting retired in 2007, would you have considered him ATG or not? Not comparing him to any of the current players, just want to know your opinion.
 
Except Steyn, none of them are even close to the bowlers I mentioned. Don't mix ODIs with tests. ODI tracks have been flatter far more longer than tests.

This post is about tests. I would rather face a Donald, Pollock and some average bowlers than a Steyn, Philander (who is every bit as good as Pollock, Gillespie, McGill and many more), Kallis and Morkel. Also, NZ and England bowling lineups are way better than they were in the 90s. NZ doesn't rely on those dibbly-dobbly part timers anymore and 90s England was pretty average.

And if you didn't notice, Johnson, Harris, Lyon, Pattinson, Hazlewood and Starc aren't particularly average. Australia and UAE have had boring and flatter tracks but I don't think other countries would fall in that bracket. India and SL have probably had their most helpful test pitches in the last 3 years.
 
How many cricketers whom you consider greats, do average >35-40 in each country? Make sure each country...thanks.

So if a cricketer does very well in all the countries except one, he should be not considered great? Lara, Ponting are not great cricketers?

AB de Villiers and Hashim Amla. Are they ATGs?
 
Funny enough people are debating on those avgs which can change drastically in 6 years time when he will call it off.
 
KL Rahul
C Pujara
A Rahane

These three will also become greats of the country and I think Kohli will end up higher to them but not an ATG.

For ATG, you need to have a peak phase of 6-7 years where he averages 60+.
 
How can you expect Kohli to be better than Inzamam in a forum which thinks Inzamam is better than Dravid, Gavaskar and even Sachin!
 
Just want to share a small stat here.........

Inzi has a total of 25 tons.

Out of those 25 tons 17 came in wins and in these 17 games Inzi is averaging 222.27

10 out of those 17 100s are away while only 7 are at home.


Away winnings centuries came against the following oppositions...

New Zealand
England
West Indies
India
Zimbabwe
Sri Lanka
Bangladesh.

The centuries range from years 1994-2005 (an era where bat sizes, pitches, boundaries, less technology in the game) all gave bowlers a significant edge unlike the run fest on highways that happen today.....

Make what you may of the above...

So nothing against the 2 best teams of his Era.
 
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