IPL franchise owners openly being allowed to discriminate in non-Indian leagues?

[sweep_shot]

Investing millions does not necessarily Means you can do whatever you like. There is protocols you have to follow as well. This is not India FYI.

Correct.

Bhakts need to understand their discrimination is unlikely to work outside of India (particularly in the West). They shouldn't try to bite more than they can chew.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

Are Russian Footballers currently allowed to play in the English Premier League ?
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That equivalence doesn’t hold. England has the right to enforce its laws in its land.

So if their national policy dictates that Russians cannot play, it’s EXACTLY as India not allowing Pakistanis to playing the IPL.

If one is wrong, so is the other

The argument is about a foreign third party (IPL owners) enforcing THEIR (India’s) country’s policies in England.

All that said, proving that there is discrimination by IPL owners will not be straight forward.

 

[nish_mate]

In England, a place where law, order & clean water are valued very highly, the British Raj will not approve these draconian practices for too long.

Thames water and OFWAT would disagree on the water bit

 

[sithb]

That equivalence doesn’t hold. England has the right to enforce its laws in its land.

So if their national policy dictates that Russians cannot play, it’s EXACTLY as India not allowing Pakistanis to playing the IPL.

If one is wrong, so is the other

The argument is about a foreign third party (IPL owners) enforcing THEIR (India’s) country’s policies in England.

All that said, proving that there is discrimination by IPL owners will not be straight forward.

Fair point. I agree.

 

[sithb]

Looking at the players that have been retained so far , there are only three teams who probably need spinners.

Birmingham already have Rehan Ahmed. One other team has an overseas slot filled by Santner. I don't see teams going spin heavy although one more spinner would be nice.

There are only 2 overseas slots left for the franchises. It's not the same as the IPL where the squad goes upto 8 overseas players and the 4 overseas players in the team rule.

It would only be the all-rounders who would be picked from Pakistan. And at that point , with the approach that Pakistani cricketers approach T20 , who would pick them ?

From a sporting perspective. There probably is an unwritten agreement by the Indian led franchises to avoid picking Pakistani players but there seems to be some sporting rationale to justify that as well.

 

[sithb]

The point is that Pakistani cricketers aren't banned from the IPL technically ,they can put their names up for the auction. Franchises just aren't picking them.

It's a thin line. I am not defending the franchises here. Just playing a devil's advocate.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Interesting. How are these different?

From my time in the US, when I was in a position to recruit individuals, we were specifically briefed by legal that religion, race, and nationality could not be grounds for non- selection. Foreign citizens, if they had legal work permits, were included in this. The Civil Rights Act and the Immigration Act were cited but it was a long time ago.

Of course you had to be able to prove discrimination which was very difficult. So just because someone says it’s discrimination isn’t enough, you need to show it.

and some how I always got majority of resumes which seemed to mattch the "backgound" of the recruiter.

 

[BouncerGuy]

STAY ON TOPIC ABOUT IPL OWNERS

 

[cricketjoshila]

Correct.

Bhakts need to understand their discrimination is unlikely to work outside of India (particularly in the West). They shouldn't try to bite more than they can chew.

Go and cry a river

 

[cricketjoshila]

and some how I always got majority of resumes which seemed to mattch the "backgound" of the recruiter.

That’s inherent bias

 

[cricketjoshila]

That equivalence doesn’t hold. England has the right to enforce its laws in its land.

So if their national policy dictates that Russians cannot play, it’s EXACTLY as India not allowing Pakistanis to playing the IPL.

If one is wrong, so is the other

The argument is about a foreign third party (IPL owners) enforcing THEIR (India’s) country’s policies in England.

All that said, proving that there is discrimination by IPL owners will not be straight forward.

IPL owners are not third party they have majority stake in these teams and unless the law says Pakistanis have to be compulsorily hired, no laws is being broken.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Birmingham phoenix isn’t owned by indians why don’t they hire pakistanis?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Investing millions does not necessarily Means you can do whatever you like. There is protocols you have to follow as well. This is not India FYI.

Those protocols don’t say compulsory hiring of Pakistanis, this isn’t psL fyi

 

[sithb]

Birmingham phoenix isn’t owned by indians why don’t they hire pakistanis?

They already have Rehan Ahmed. Why do they need one more spinner? And then to have to cut their overseas quota. They only have 2 overseas spots to fill.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ipl owners will be smart if they pick a saffer black giy in the auction for their foreign quota, good luck to anyone who wants that black guy replaced by a Pakistani, and the reason for hiring a saffer is striaght forward the owners have a good working with csa due to sa20 and hence they want to work with a organisation they are familiar w

 

[cricketjoshila]

Correct.

Bhakts need to understand their discrimination is unlikely to work outside of India (particularly in the West). They shouldn't try to bite more than they can chew.

You didn’t realise how little Bangladesh matter in cricket

 

[Rana]

Birmingham phoenix isn’t owned by indians why don’t they hire pakistanis?

Why don’t all 8 franchises agree to hire anyone without discrimination?

Dimagh main itna gobar kyun bhara hua hai? How is this hard to understand??

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

IPL owners are not third party they have majority stake in these teams and unless the law says Pakistanis have to be compulsorily hired, no laws is being broken.

First, IPL owners are operating in a foreign country. I was pointing out the fallacy in arguing that just because the English Premier League disallows Russian players in England, IPL owners can disallow Pakistani players in England.

Second it’s definitely not how the law works. The law forbids workplace discrimination, including non-hiring, on grounds of Nationality. That’s all that is needed in the wording, without specifying if that nationality is Pakistani or Ethiopian.

 

[sithb]

Who are the Pakistani spin bowling all-rounders who are absolutely knocking the doors down and who the franchises have to go for a bidding war ?

 

[sithb]

First, IPL owners are operating in a foreign country. I was pointing out the fallacy in arguing that just because the English Premier League disallows Russian players in England, IPL owners can disallow Pakistani players in England.

Second it’s definitely not how the law works. The law forbids workplace discrimination, including non-hiring, on grounds of Nationality. That’s all that is needed in the wording, without specifying if that nationality is Pakistani or Ethiopian.

And again. Very tough to prove. It's not as if Pakistani cricketers are breaking barriers and being the best in the world types

 

[rpant_gabba]

IPL owners are not third party they have majority stake in these teams and unless the law says Pakistanis have to be compulsorily hired, no laws is being broken.

I think you have an opportunity to take a different tack on your posts. I share your sentiment on most of the topics. I do think think that you can reach for a different "spice" the posts, you don't have to set things on fire in order to deal with a situation.

A quieter cleaner option would be tie a huge rock and encourage them to jump in the water. quiet. clean. gets the job done.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

And again. Very tough to prove. It's not as if Pakistani cricketers are breaking barriers and being the best in the world types

Yes that is absolutely true.

We are all faffing around having a theoretical discussion because it will be tough to prove in practice.

But if these franchises hire no Pakistani player this year and the next and the next, well things will get interesting.

 

[Rana]

Yes that is absolutely true.

We are all faffing around having a theoretical discussion because it will be tough to prove in practice.

But if these franchises hire no Pakistani player this year and the next and the next, well things will get interesting.

I think Public outrage and pressure in England has its impact when it comes to such things.

There was no legal basis to cancel away fans from entering Aston Villa for the Macabi Haifa game. This news breaking out on BBC and being picked up by seasoned English press journalists and England cricketers is a big deal. They are not having it. It doesn’t matter what legal clause the new owners try to hide behind, the British Public won’t have it.

 

[gibsyhesperis]

IPL owners are not third party they have majority stake in these teams and unless the law says Pakistanis have to be compulsorily hired, no laws is being broken.

Incorrect.
They don’t own the majority stakes in the teams — only in Manchester Giants where RSPG have a 70% stake.
In the other franchises the stake from the IPL owners is up to 49% with the counties holding the majority
eg for MI London, Reliance own 49% with Surrey holding 51%.
So you are wrong here.

The issue will be whether any potential employer can be shown to have discrimated in hiring practices.
This tends to be hard to prove, but was a route take by Indian doctors who came to the U.K. in the 70s….the position from GP practices at that time was that they were not as good, or well trained, as English trained doctors and that there language skills were poor.
This is why at that time many Indian doctors ended up working in poor areas in the U.K. where English doctors did not want to work.
Times changed as have equality laws.

Under U.K. law if it can be proven that discrimination has occurred it is an offence — whilst this will be difficult to prove, as the majority of the franchises are English county owned they will not want the bad publicity and opprobrium that will inevitably ensue.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

Incorrect.
They don’t own the majority stakes in the teams — only in Manchester Giants where RSPG have a 70% stake.
In the other franchises the stake from the IPL owners is up to 49% with the counties holding the majority
eg for MI London, Reliance own 49% with Surrey holding 51%.
So you are wrong here.

The issue will be whether any potential employer can be shown to have discrimated in hiring practices.
This tends to be hard to prove, but was a route take by Indian doctors who came to the U.K. in the 70s….the position from GP practices at that time was that they were not as good, or well trained, as English trained doctors and that there language skills were poor.
This is why at that time many Indian doctors ended up working in poor areas in the U.K. where English doctors did not want to work.
Times changed as have equality laws.

Under U.K. law if it can be proven that discrimination has occurred it is an offence — whilst this will be difficult to prove, as the majority of the franchises are English county owned they will not want the bad publicity and opprobrium that will inevitably ensue.

If indeed the counties own the majority in most of the franchises, then not only does the blame (for non- recruitment) get shared, I don’t see how they can blame Indians for it. And I don’t know if such a policy will be allowed in the first place.

Great post by the way, thanks for the data.

 

[sithb]

The Leeds county is totally owned by sun TV right now

 

[just a fan]

First, IPL owners are operating in a foreign country. I was pointing out the fallacy in arguing that just because the English Premier League disallows Russian players in England, IPL owners can disallow Pakistani players in England.

Second it’s definitely not how the law works. The law forbids workplace discrimination, including non-hiring, on grounds of Nationality. That’s all that is needed in the wording, without specifying if that nationality is Pakistani or Ethiopian.

Mhmm! Maybe you can try lecturing more Indian fans about your perceived discrimination & laws and see if that helps