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IPL franchise owners openly being allowed to discriminate in non-Indian leagues?

Seems like PCB wants to save face and is refusing to provide NOCs without some assurance that their players will be picked. Can't blame them really.

There is no issue on the BCCI and franchise owner side. They only care about money and want to win.

The issue is fundamentally political and until there is political approval from the Indian government nothing will happen. I don't see anything changing with the upcoming elections in 2023 (Pakistan) and 2024 (India) elections.
 
Ramiz has categorically stated to all the boards barring BCCI that if they want the PCB to issue NOC's to their players for their respective leagues, these boards will have to reciprocate and issue NOC's to the players for the PSL.

This approach will only carry weight if Pakistani players are in high demand in T-20 leagues world wide.
 
Babar Azam being asked about benefits of playing in the IPL.

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Kamran Akmal in an interview:

"Indian players should not play in the PSL. The Indian board is doing the right thing by not allowing their players to play in overseas T20 leagues. They are aware that the IPL goes on for two months, and then there is a lot of international cricket as well. The players are so strong financially that there is no need for them to go and play in other leagues.

"Our board can also learn from it as it can prolong the careers of players. They have 14 to 15 players who have played over a hundred Test matches, while we have just two or three such players. India value their cricket and their players. The IPL pays players a lot. The BBL is nothing in front of the IPL. No league in the world can match the IPL."
 
Have Mumbai Indians broken the mould?

Hammad Azam and Ehsan Adil Picked by Mumbai Indians in MLC

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With a line up like that, don’t be surprised if Numan Ali is even selected

… as a batsmen
 
The Shane Warne Sachin Tendulkar USA tour in 2015 apparently made losses. I question whether this league will be successful. How many matches will the desi populations turn out to watch the matches? The ILT20 had matches with empty stands.

The success of T20 Leagues depends on the support of the local population, local market and interest.
 
Only desi students will come to watch matches, provided ticket prices are cheap. I don't expect any local interest whatsoever. Its similar to UAE,Malaysia etc associate teams filled with Ind/Pak expat players. I don't know why ICC never supports countries like Nepal where clearly there is a massive love for this sport. What is the point of trying to break the US market. Its already saturated with NBA,NFL,MLB,Boxing etc.
 
SA 20 owners not picking any Pakistan players for 2024 season? Nothing has changed it seems!

What do you say @Rana?
 
Rana said:
You’ve got to hand it to Indians/Pro BJP+ Modi supporters for their ability to try and justify nonsense let me tell you.
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They try to justify anything, sense nonsense it doesn't matter as long as India wins the argument
 
pakpassfan said:
They try to justify anything, sense nonsense it doesn't matter as long as India wins the argument
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How will these owners justify to their people back home that they are hiring pakistanis?

Who will risk billions of dollars of goodwill for a stupid league?
 
cricketjoshila said:
How will these owners justify to their people back home that they are hiring pakistanis?

Who will risk billions of dollars of goodwill for a stupid league?
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I've asked you to read your posts before and I do so again.

If India is so hell bent on marginalising Pakistan through a sport then why does it play Pakistan in tournaments?

Somewhat hypocritical and very small minded wouldn't you say?
 
IMMY69 said:
I've asked you to read your posts before and I do so again.

If India is so hell bent on marginalising Pakistan through a sport then why does it play Pakistan in tournaments?

Somewhat hypocritical and very small minded wouldn't you say?
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Why will India give Pakistan a walkover? How does it help India?
 
If this is the case then it is a clear violation of the spirit of cricket, which is supposed to be a game that transcends boundaries and promotes harmony among nations.
I hope that this issue is resolved soon and that franchise owners reconsider their stance and allow Pakistani players to join their teams. I believe that this would benefit not only the players, but also the leagues, the fans, and the game of cricket as a whole.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Why will India give Pakistan a walkover? How does it help India?
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So excluding innocent players and tens of millions of people from watching their players to "hurt' and "marginalise" Pakistan is perfectly fine unless it costs india a couple of points in a tournament?

The idea of using sports to 'isolate' Pakistan is laughable as it is but the hypocrisy is just astonishing.
 
IMMY69 said:
So excluding innocent players and tens of millions of people from watching their players to "hurt' and "marginalise" Pakistan is perfectly fine unless it costs india a couple of points in a tournament?

The idea of using sports to 'isolate' Pakistan is laughable as it is but the hypocrisy is just astonishing.
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Yes its fine.

As our External affairs minister said, "We do what is beneficial for us".

What stopped pakistanis from buying teams?
 
cricketjoshila said:
How will these owners justify to their people back home that they are hiring pakistanis?

Who will risk billions of dollars of goodwill for a stupid league?
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lol, there’s Indian owners in almost every franchise league around the world, those franchises pick Pakistani players.

How did SRK justify to you and all the Indians back home when he hired Mohammad Hasnain in the CPL?
 
YousafTheBeast said:
lol, there’s Indian owners in almost every franchise league around the world, those franchises pick Pakistani players.

How did SRK justify to you and all the Indians back home when he hired Mohammad Hasnain in the CPL?
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CPL is hardly watched in India. Gets little coverage.

SA20 and ILT20 are on prime time.
 
cricketjoshila said:
CPL is hardly watched in India. Gets little coverage.

SA20 and ILT20 are on prime time.
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What does the viewership or coverage have to do with an Indian owned franchise hiring Pakistani cricketers? Where’s the correlation?

You do realise that the ILT20 have expressed interest in Pakistani crickets for the next season? What will you say then?
 
YousafTheBeast said:
What does the viewership or coverage have to do with an Indian owned franchise hiring Pakistani cricketers? Where’s the correlation?

You do realise that the ILT20 have expressed interest in Pakistani crickets for the next season? What will you say then?
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If majority dont know or don't care about an event it doesn't matter what happens there.

Some tournament of retired players was played with Indians abd Pakistanis playing together. No one bothered.

ILT20 has one non Indian owned team and they have already signed Shaheen and Shadab.

SA20 put Naseem Shah in the auction. No one bought him.

Similarly ILT20 can show interest in pakistanis, its unlikely that except desert vipers other teams will bid for them.
 
cricketjoshila said:
If majority dont know or don't care about an event it doesn't matter what happens there.

Some tournament of retired players was played with Indians abd Pakistanis playing together. No one bothered.

ILT20 has one non Indian owned team and they have already signed Shaheen and Shadab.

SA20 put Naseem Shah in the auction. No one bought him.

Similarly ILT20 can show interest in pakistanis, its unlikely that except desert vipers other teams will bid for them.
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I give up, dude you can’t accept when you’re wrong, you just go off on a completely different path.

The issue was Indian owners buying Pakistani players. You said how will Indian owners justify to their people back home that they’re hiring Pakistanis.

Your response is that because no one watching CPL it doesn’t matter LOL.

YOU HAVE ANSWERED YOUR OWN QUESTION LOL IM SO DONE MAN😂

Indian right wing - How will Indian owners tell their people back home that they bought a Pakistani player in a different league.

Also Indian right wing - As long as no one watches the league it’s all good.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
I give up, dude you can’t accept when you’re wrong, you just go off on a completely different path.

The issue was Indian owners buying Pakistani players. You said how will Indian owners justify to their people back home that they’re hiring Pakistanis.

Your response is that because no one watching CPL it doesn’t matter LOL.

YOU HAVE ANSWERED YOUR OWN QUESTION LOL IM SO DONE MAN😂

Indian right wing - How will Indian owners tell their people back home that they bought a Pakistani player in a different league.

Also Indian right wing - As long as no one watches the league it’s all good.
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Some bollywood walas started recording songs with pakistanis in Dubai. Initially it went well as no one knew. Everyone thought that the songs were recorded before the visa ban on pakistanis.

Once the matter came to light, bollywood got very hostile reactions. Ultimately they stopped this.

What right wing? The current hostile attitude towards Pakistan isn't limited to one spectrum.

If hardly anyone knows that Shahrukh Khan once hired pakistanis, how will there be any reaction?

And even SRK has now realised the risks of such hiring and avoids hiring pakistanis.
 
cricketjoshila said:
SA20 and ILT20 are on prime time.
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No Indian was aware of SRK hiring a Pakistani in the CPL because according to you, it wasn’t on prime time.

cricketjoshila said:
And even SRK has now realised the risks of such hiring and avoids hiring pakistanis.
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SRK is the owner of Abu Dhabi Knight Riders. His franchise has hired a Pakistani. According to you, ILT20 is on prime time in India.

cricketjoshila said:
How will these owners justify to their people back home that they are hiring pakistanis?

Who will risk billions of dollars of goodwill for a stupid league?
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How will SRK justify to you and the billions of Indians back home that’s he’s hiring Pakistani’s on PRIME TIME.

Look forward to your response, if you have one😆
 
YousafTheBeast said:
No Indian was aware of SRK hiring a Pakistani in the CPL because according to you, it wasn’t on prime time.



SRK is the owner of Abu Dhabi Knight Riders. His franchise has hired a Pakistani. According to you, ILT20 is on prime time in India.



How will SRK justify to you and the billions of Indians back home that’s he’s hiring Pakistani’s on PRIME TIME.

Look forward to your response, if you have one😆
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Imad Wasim was born where exactly?
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Born in Wales, moved to Pakistan at a young age. Has a Pakistani passport, needs a visa to play in the UK.

What’s your point?
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Afaik and he has dual citizenship. So just like Azhar Mahmood or Imran Tahir played IPL, Imad Wasim is part of ILT20.

Don't be surprised if Amir plays someday after getting a British passport.
 
PakEngFan said:
Exactly. Shoaib Bashir visa took long because of his background. Now the poster is ignoring Imad Wasim's background and indirectly implying he's not Pakistani lol. Absolute brainless stuff.
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Visa took long. If it wasn't a British passport, visa may not have been granted. Hardly any pakistanis get visa to India these days.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Afaik and he has dual citizenship. So just like Azhar Mahmood or Imran Tahir played IPL, Imad Wasim is part of ILT20.

Don't be surprised if Amir plays someday after getting a British passport.
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If he had a dual citizenship he wouldn’t have needed a visa to play for the county teams.

An Indian has hired a Pakistani, risked billions for a “stupid league”, where’s the public outrage?
 
@Rana @Major so no Pakistan player's are selected for The hundred league

When will be PCB file a discrimination case against these league just like you advocated Against IPL team's

:kp
 
Not a fan of IPL franchises owning and leveraging their brands elsewhere.

This weakens the brand value of IPL and BCCI will have to step in at some point. Ask the franchise owners to reserve IPL team names exclusively and force them to dilute their ownership - either in IPL or foreign leagues. Pick one.
 
Funny thing is, the one team that was not indian owned, took advantage of the auction, bought the pakistani players at base price, made a strong bowling line up with it, ended up dominating the tournament and winning the final.

Meanwhile all the indian owners got high on nationalism and lost the tournament.
 
Hasan Nawaz
Fakhar Zaman
Naseem Shah
Usman Tariq

All played their part in this championship!
 
Rajdeep said:
It is bit of a double edge sword. How can anyone prove it is discrimination? Owners can simply turn around and say we have not picked Pakistani players due to cricketing reason....their skillset dont fall into the category of cricket we are trying to adopt and hence we have not bought them. Though we know it is not true but there is no way to prove otherwise
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Well, DV proved the Indian owners in ILT20 must be as Naive as planks!
 
Rana said:
Brother, why would no team want Usman Tariq?
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He is a top talent right now however. I’m sure one of the teams would love to have him.

Actually Sahebzada Farhan and Sammy also nice boys
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Pakistan cricketers are not being considered by Indian-owned sides for next month's Hundred auction, sources have told BBC Sport.

Players from Pakistan have not featured in the Indian Premier League (IPL) since 2009 because of diplomatic tensions between the two countries.

Four of The Hundred's eight franchises - Manchester Super Giants, MI London, Southern Brave and Sunrisers Leeds - are now at least part-owned by companies that control IPL teams.

In messages seen by the BBC, a senior official from the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) indicated to an agent that interest in his Pakistan players would be limited to sides not linked to the IPL.

Another agent described the situation as "an unwritten rule" across T20 leagues with Indian investment.

ECB chief executive Richard Gould said last year he expected "players from all nations to be selected for all teams" in The Hundred and warned "clear anti-discrimination policies" were in place.

None of the four teams or ownership groups in question responded to requests for comment.

An ECB spokesperson said: "The Hundred welcomes men's and women's players from all over the world and we would expect the eight teams to reflect that.

"Almost 1,000 cricketers from 18 nations have registered for The Hundred auction, with representation on the longlist of over 50 players respectively from Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, Pakistan and West Indies."

www.bbc.com

The Hundred: IPL-linked teams 'not considering Pakistan players'

Four sides in The Hundred with links to the IPL are not expected to sign players from Pakistan in next month's auction.
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Bhaijaan said:
He is a top talent right now however. I’m sure one of the teams would love to have him.

Actually Sahebzada Farhan and Sammy also nice boys

https://twitter.com/x/status/2024496358221025412
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I agree no Pakistan batter makes the cut at the moment, maybe Saim is worth investing in because he offers a good bowling option

But the bowlers like Salman Mirza, Abrar Ahmed, Sufyan Moqim, Usman Tariq, Abbas Afridi are all more than decent for Hundred, SAT20 and Big Bash.
 
Rana said:
I agree no Pakistan batter makes the cut at the moment, maybe Saim is worth investing in because he offers a good bowling option

But the bowlers like Salman Mirza, Abrar Ahmed, Sufyan Moqim, Usman Tariq, Abbas Afridi are all more than decent for Hundred, SAT20 and Big Bash.
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Still important to keep expectations realistic in a globalised era of T20 cricket where talent is now very widely spread.

In IPL, every year some really talented guys miss out.
 
I’ll wait and see if this is true, or just speculation.

I doubt whether any active discrimination will be allowed to persist in England. It’s likely their processes and laws are more stringent, not to say that the general public won’t stand for it.
 
Cryin Out Loud said:
I’ll wait and see if this is true, or just speculation.

I doubt whether any active discrimination will be allowed to persist in England. It’s likely their processes and laws are more stringent, not to say that the general public won’t stand for it.
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But England have been playing along happily

They don’t allow their players NOC for PSL but they allow NOC’s for IPL

No one will bat an eyelid
 
Cryin Out Loud said:
I’ll wait and see if this is true, or just speculation.

I doubt whether any active discrimination will be allowed to persist in England. It’s likely their processes and laws are more stringent, not to say that the general public won’t stand for it.
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General public doesn’t care.

It’s the ECB and courts in England that will have to take action.

Pettiness of naye daulatye IPL/Indian ownere cannot go unchecked in civilized world. They can do whatever they want in their own home.
 
Rana said:
But England have been playing along happily

They don’t allow their players NOC for PSL but they allow NOC’s for IPL

No one will bat an eyelid
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Hawkeye said:
General public doesn’t care.

It’s the ECB and courts in England that will have to take action.

Pettiness of naye daulatye IPL/Indian ownere cannot go unchecked in civilized world. They can do whatever they want in their own home.
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Interesting. I don’t live in the UK, presumably you guys do.

IPL was / is outside the borders, another country so there’s nothing anyone in England can do or would care about.

But I’d have thought that any work discrimination in the UK was be at least examined closely, given the higher profile and public participation. Courts/ Fair trade practice organisations etc.

Personally I’m all for Pakistani players not being allowed for play in the IPL, but I would question if exporting the practice outside your borders is ethically acceptable or every strategically smart.
 
Rana said:
I agree no Pakistan batter makes the cut at the moment, maybe Saim is worth investing in because he offers a good bowling option

But the bowlers like Salman Mirza, Abrar Ahmed, Sufyan Moqim, Usman Tariq, Abbas Afridi are all more than decent for Hundred, SAT20 and Big Bash.
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trophy Chor Naqvi ko bol ki khila ke dikhaye Pakistani player's ko :klopp :kp
 
SA20 – All 6 teams have Indian owners.
ILT20 – 6 teams have Indian owners.
The Hundred – 4 teams have Indian owners.
MLC – 4 teams have Indian owners.
CPL – 3 teams have Indian owners.

BBL will also sell its teams to Indian owners by next year.

New Zealand is also launching a league that will be controlled by India as well.

In the next few years, you will see Pakistan players only in the BPL.

:klopp :kp
 
Devadwal said:
SA20 – All 6 teams have Indian owners.
ILT20 – 6 teams have Indian owners.
The Hundred – 4 teams have Indian owners.
MLC – 4 teams have Indian owners.
CPL – 3 teams have Indian owners.

BBL will also sell its teams to Indian owners by next year.

New Zealand is also launching a league that will be controlled by India as well.

In the next few years, you will see Pakistan players only in the BPL.

:klopp :kp
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BPL?? beyond poor league? below poverty league? bad players league? what is it? never heard of it
 
Devadwal said:
SA20 – All 6 teams have Indian owners.
ILT20 – 6 teams have Indian owners.
The Hundred – 4 teams have Indian owners.
MLC – 4 teams have Indian owners.
CPL – 3 teams have Indian owners.

BBL will also sell its teams to Indian owners by next year.

New Zealand is also launching a league that will be controlled by India as well.

In the next few years, you will see Pakistan players only in the BPL.

:klopp :kp
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This is not a source of celebration. This is a source of embarrassment.

Then again, Indians like you have no shame I guess. You guys celebrate things which normal people do not celebrate. :inti
 
Rana said:
Brother, why would no team want Usman Tariq?
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no point arguing logic with indians on this forum, the obsession and hate for pakistanis is deep seated, the only thing pakistan can do is make the PSL a bigger product, if indians control all other leagues, the PSL will end up ironically mirroring the IPL as being one of the few leagues which would have exclusivity over players.
 
ElRaja said:
no point arguing logic with indians on this forum, the obsession and hate for pakistanis is deep seated, the only thing pakistan can do is make the PSL a bigger product, if indians control all other leagues, the PSL will end up ironically mirroring the IPL as being one of the few leagues which would have exclusivity over players.
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Are the Indian owners making money in the Hundred? I heard they suffered losses.

Even IPL value dropped 20% in recent times.

They may end up losing a lot by buying all these foreign franchises. Interest is diminishing.

Indian owners may learn it the hard way. LOL.
 
Are Indian businessmen the only ones with money? What about investors from Australia, England or even Pakistan? Why are they not interested in these teams?
 
Savak said:
Are Indian businessmen the only ones with money? What about investors from Australia, England or even Pakistan? Why are they not interested in these teams?
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Probably because of low returns. Nobody else is interested.

I heard Indian owners lost money in the Hundred. Even IPL saw 20% decline in revenue recently.

I doubt buying these franchises is a good investment strategy. More like showing off. :inti
 
Savak said:
Are Indian businessmen the only ones with money? What about investors from Australia, England or even Pakistan? Why are they not interested in these teams?
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How will they market cricket, IPL owners already know how to market them.
If the Galzer family get ownership of RCB , then we might see a change.
 
sweep_shot said:
May Indians like you one day pay a price for your hubris. :inti

Read history. Read what happened to haughty/arrogant communities. Stay humble.
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i have nothing to learn from posters like you. No one can learn humility from a BD fan, fans who are known to be the most arrogant without an ounce of achievement to go with it. These are the same people who put up a poster of people holding head of an opposition captain.
 
I am sure even if Pakistani players are invited by IPL owners, they will refuse. Why would they want to work/play for people whose country treats their Muslim brothers so badly?
 
I was and am in phull-sapport-saar mode for not letting Pakistani players play in IPL. The Pakistanis boycotted it first, so now you don’t get to participate.

But extending this policy abroad is strategically foolhardy.

1. It will attract attention, articles, discussions vilifying India / IPL/ Indian cricket as a racist, bullying entity. These discussions will go mainstream. We don’t need that.

2. It’s probably unsustainable; one lawsuit by a player or agent or even a fan, and at the every least a lot of regulators are going to take a very close look at your operations

3. It won’t go away.

That said, I’m hoping IPL owners/ businessmen aren’t completely fools. Find a way around this - for example by recruiting Pakistani origin with British passports.
 
Cryin Out Loud said:
I was and am in phull-sapport-saar mode for not letting Pakistani players play in IPL. The Pakistanis boycotted it first, so now you don’t get to participate.

But extending this policy abroad is strategically foolhardy.

1. It will attract attention, articles, discussions vilifying India / IPL/ Indian cricket as a racist, bullying entity. These discussions will go mainstream. We don’t need that.

2. It’s probably unsustainable; one lawsuit by a player or agent or even a fan, and at the every least a lot of regulators are going to take a very close look at your operations

3. It won’t go away.

That said, I’m hoping IPL owners/ businessmen aren’t completely fools. Find a way around this - for example by recruiting Pakistani origin with British passports.
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Very true. Bhartiya fans opened their hearts to Pakistani players in ICL/early IPL era. But rather than being grateful for that love and support, Pakistan decided to use that love as our weakness, attempting to sabotage the same league that showed them nothing but love.

A lot of Pakistanis see Bhartiyas fans as haters today without realising the wounds they left in our hearts when we had our doors open for them. <\3
 
Saim , Abrar and Tariq would probably be the only guys who would be considered on a merit purpose. Not seeing any of the Pakistani batsmen being considered. It seems to me that Shaheen and Naseem have declined a fair bit. Any other pacer won't be a significant upgrade to the players already present in the 100 roster.

The hundred has a maximum of 4 Overseas Players. Australian / NZ / RSA / WI players are available who would take up the bulk of those overseas player roles.

I don't think anything can be done if a team owner gives the justification that the overseas slots are valuable and says that they are looking at a Noor Ahmad or a Rashid Khan as their overseas spinner. Or any other spinner for that matter.
 
sweep_shot said:
Are the Indian owners making money in the Hundred? I heard they suffered losses.

Even IPL value dropped 20% in recent times.

They may end up losing a lot by buying all these foreign franchises. Interest is diminishing.

Indian owners may learn it the hard way. LOL.
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I have heard rumours that 1 particula Indian franchise has a radical plan to turn profitable in The 100 this year, by signign 2 Pakistani players.
 
ElRaja said:
no point arguing logic with indians on this forum, the obsession and hate for pakistanis is deep seated, the only thing pakistan can do is make the PSL a bigger product, if indians control all other leagues, the PSL will end up ironically mirroring the IPL as being one of the few leagues which would have exclusivity over players.
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PSL has great potential dear. David Warner, Glenn Maxwell like legends have signed up for it which shows that there is agreat interest in this league.
 
And just checked, None of the teams (Whether owned by Indian Companies or not) have so far signed any Pakistani Players. All of them have 2 out of the 4 overseas slots already full.
 
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