IPL revealing some harsh facts about India's ODI team ahead of Champions Trophy

[stevewittry]

As the IPL reaches the business end, it has revealed some harsh facts about the potential ODI team. None of the potential top 6 is in any kind of form which will put the selection panel in a dilemma.

Let's look at the potential India squad

Rohit (Too inconsistent)
Rahul/ Dhawan (Rahul out, Dhawan lottery)
Kohli - worst form of his career
Yuvraj
Dhoni
Jadhav- Gave false hope, back to his true self
Jadeja - can't be relied on as a batter, spanked around by rookies
Ashwin- no competitive cricket
Bhuvi - only decent selection
Shami/Umesh - inconsistent
Pandya - Pick him at your risk

When only 1 out of the potential 13 players is a reliable selection, things look gloomy for India in the Champions Trophy.
It would be interesting to see whether the selectors go with these mainstream players or makes major changes and picks younger players from IPL.

 

[Syed1]

I don't follow IPL but from what OP says it comes as a shock to me that Kohli is in the worst form of his life considering how he had a spectacular 2016 where he averaged over or close to 100 in LOI. Surely he is back to normal levels and cannot be in the worst form of his life. The performance of 2016 is perhaps skewing your opinion of his form.

 

[stevewittry]

This has been the situation for a while. Lately they have been winning on the back of Kohli's heroics and the odd fluke from Yuvraj/ Dhoni. Don't see that happening in future.

 

[aniket1911]

I don't follow IPL but from what OP says it comes as a shock to me that Kohli is in the worst form of his life considering how he had a spectacular 2016 where he averaged over or close to 100 in LOI. Surely he is back to normal levels and cannot be in the worst form of his life. The performance of 2016 is perhaps skewing your opinion of his form.

You shouldn't be surprised if many Indians want him to be rested for CT. Even on captaincy front he is execrably bad.

 

[last_knight]

How come Bumrah is not in your team.
And may be Panday for Jadhav.

 

[Rafay Shafiq]

Indian fans may provide thorough insight

 

[stevewittry]

How come Bumrah is not in your team.
And may be Panday for Jadhav.

Sorry missed him. That makes 2 out 14 deserving spots.

 

[captain crook]

India is going to be butchered in CT. Remember, we're playing in England and not in subcontinent. Indians generally don't play the moving ball well. I can only imagine the massacre against Amir, Junaid, and other bowlers.

 

[Bhaijaan]

OP doesn't quite capture the complete picture. This IPL has been brilliant in the way so many young players have got themselves in contention for representing men in blue in future. Rishabh Pant being one, he's got the potential to be one of the elite players in world cricket. There have been some more. Future looks safe, there is more to India than Kohli,. Sharma, Rahane apparently.

 

[kukkad kamaal]

We are doomed .We are missing dynamic players like Shehsad and Hafeez

 

[aniket1911]

I have never been worried about Indian team as much as I am right now. For, it is quite a unique convergence of all our main stay players to lose form just before CT. Although, the fact that same thing happened before last champions trophy as well, gives me hope albeit a small one.

My team would be-

Rohit/gambhir/Rahul
Gambhir/Rohit/Dhawan (if rahul is injured)
Kohli
Dhoni
Yuvraj
Raina/Jadhav
Pandya
Jadeja
Umesh
BK
Shami

 

[stevewittry]

We are doomed .We are missing dynamic players like Shehsad and Hafeez

Apparently with the form the current ODI team is in, Hafeez/Shehzad won't do any worse.

 

[stevewittry]

It would require a lot of courage from the selectors if they deviate their selection options from the mainline players and come up with a major overhaul of the team composition by including an younger side - for a major tournament.

 

[Finisher]

Doesn't matter.
Indian team tend to throw the form book out of the window when heading into major competitions.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

That's shocking and worry situation for India but they do well in icc events.

 

[aloo paratha]

Don't worry Pakistan will put them back in form.

 

[silent ischemia]

Still good enough to defeat Pakistan easily

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Good to see indian players not giving a damn about IPL.

 

[stevewittry]

India is going to be butchered in CT. Remember, we're playing in England and not in subcontinent. Indians generally don't play the moving ball well. I can only imagine the massacre against Amir, Junaid, and other bowlers.

Even if they somehow get past Amir/ Junaid, the likes of Anderson/Steyn/Rabada/Starc/Boult are licking their lips at the prospect of bowling to this line up.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

Even if they somehow get past Amir/ Junaid, the likes of Anderson/Steyn/Rabada/Starc/Boult are licking their lips at the prospect of bowling to this line up.

Don't forget Hasan Ali. He is one clever cookie. He is the wicket-taking bowler who can go for runs but will always get you wickets.

 

[light]

India generally does ok in big tournaments. The group IND is in is definitely an easier group to qualify from than the other one for sure. But with the current form of the players, I can't see IND crossing beyond Semi-final.

 

[BD-fan]

20 over club cricket is not a measuring stick for ODIs where Money and your position in the team is already confirmed and you go and swing and have fun. This is not even T20 (international).

UV is not going to make the XI. The fitness level for 50 overs International is not as same as 20 over club matches. Coaches are different, the preparation is different. The condition will be far more favorable than most think. This is an ICC tournament where the pitches would be flat except the England games.

 

[dildildalwalla]

Raina and Gambhir seem to be doing well with the bat, the others look to be playing very average cricket. However, India's batting always picks up in tournaments and even average 30-35 across a tourney like the CT, with a batsman or two getting scores of 70-100 every now and then is very good. I'm sure India will easily be making 300+ scores, especially on the pretty flat, almost sc level tracks we have in England these days.

The bowling is what should have people worried. None of the Indian regulars apart from Buvi have done anything of note this IPL. Will the selection committee rethink their strategy?

 

[captain crook]

Even if they somehow get past Amir/ Junaid, the likes of Anderson/Steyn/Rabada/Starc/Boult are licking their lips at the prospect of bowling to this line up.

We've all seen how Anderson made Kohli do snake dance last time India were in England. I'd be very interested to see how even better bowlers like Starc, Boult, Rabada play around with Kohli.

 

[stevewittry]

We've all seen how Anderson made Kohli do snake dance last time India were in England. I'd be very interested to see how even better bowlers like Starc, Boult, Rabada play around with Kohli.

Exactly

 

[Zak_Fan]

Since when was Shami inconsistent? Guy averages 19 with the ball in last 3 years, with a SR of 23.

 

[htariq25]

I swear this was said before wc15 aswell. Only to find out they were the 3rd best team after the hosts. India r at their best in icc tournaments and I expect them to atleast make it to semis.

 

[big_gamer007]

Form seems to be a problem for Indian team right now let's see what team gets selected first..

 

[troodon]

Big names out of form.

Scared to select young players like Pant.

Raina is the only player in form right now with the bat.

Bhuvi, Bumrah and Pandya seem to be in great form. But pandya is a hack.

Rohit is actually batting like a proper Tailender. Kohli seems to have some issues.
Yuvraj and MSD must retire.

Dhawan is struggling to rotate strike.
Jadhav is alright. Manish Pandey is a lottery.

First round exit courtesy of some mediocre batting.

 

[Ummii]

and this team will beat Pakistan easily for sure

 

[Bilal7]

I don't follow IPL but from what OP says it comes as a shock to me that Kohli is in the worst form of his life considering how he had a spectacular 2016 where he averaged over or close to 100 in LOI. Surely he is back to normal levels and cannot be in the worst form of his life. The performance of 2016 is perhaps skewing your opinion of his form.

Exactly. He was making merry on flat tracks but the pitches for the series against Australia puy a stop that. Perhaps that has sapped his confidence but IPL performances only tell you so much. If he fails in England, then there might be cause for concern.

Why isn't Raina in contention any more? He's still a quality #5/#6 batsman.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Since when was Shami inconsistent? Guy averages 19 with the ball in last 3 years, with a SR of 23.

Over what, 20 games? Or what is it? 25? LOL at the sample size.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Over what, 20 games? Or what is it? 25? LOL at the sample size.

How about his career as a sample? Average of 24, @ SR of 27 (no minnow bashing) .shows up at ICC events. Inconsistent?

 

[big_gamer007]

How about his career as a sample? Average of 24, @ SR of 27 (no minnow bashing) .shows up at ICC events. Inconsistent?

How is shami looking post injury? You think he can get back to his pre-injury form mate?

 

[Zak_Fan]

How is shami looking post injury? You think he can get back to his pre-injury form mate?

Not great, but don't know if it is something to be considered for Champion's Trophy. He has always been poor in T20s.

 

[big_gamer007]

Not great, but don't know if it is something to be considered for Champion's Trophy. He has always been poor in T20s.

How is his pace looking? Shami is a key bowler for us if he can get back to pre injury form..

 

[Zak_Fan]

How is his pace looking? Shami is a key bowler for us if he can get back to pre injury form..

Late 130s from what I recall. Doesn't seem to be giving it his all yet.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Don't follow IPL, but when you say that Kohli is in the worst form of his life do you mean he's only scoring 60's/70's and is not ale to convert them into hundreds?

It's possible that India is struggling, however, in recent years one thing they have proved is that they know how to perform on the big stage and win ICC events. With that in mind, I wouldn't be too worried about their IPL form and would by no means count th out

 

[shaz619]

I wouldn't use the IPL as a metric to judge those players, they will come good in the CT

 

[shaz619]

Don't follow IPL, but when you say that Kohli is in the worst form of his life do you mean he's only scoring 60's/70's and is not ale to convert them into hundreds?

It's possible that India is struggling, however, in recent years one thing they have proved is that they know how to perform on the big stage and win ICC events. With that in mind, I wouldn't be too worried about their IPL form and would by no means count th out

Or Worst form as in Mohammad Amir scoring more runs then him in England?

 

[Abdullah719]

Don't follow IPL, but when you say that Kohli is in the worst form of his life do you mean he's only scoring 60's/70's and is not ale to convert them into hundreds?

It's possible that India is struggling, however, in recent years one thing they have proved is that they know how to perform on the big stage and win ICC events. With that in mind, I wouldn't be too worried about their IPL form and would by no means count th out

Kohli's last 6 scores are 0, 10, 55, 20, 6, 5.

 

[Syed1]

Kohli's last 6 scores are 0, 10, 55, 20, 6, 5.

For Muhammad Hafeez that would be "exceptional" performance.

 

[jog_1]

India is going to be butchered in CT. Remember, we're playing in England and not in subcontinent. Indians generally don't play the moving ball well. I can only imagine the massacre against Amir, Junaid, and other bowlers.

I like how you completely ignored the last CT in 2013. That was also in England, and guess what, India won.

 

[Sports_Psychologist]

For Muhammad Hafeez that would be "exceptional" performance.

Hahahah so true... )

 

[jog_1]

I doubt India will win it this time, their team in 2013 was much better. However, I also don't think India will completely get blown out. They generally bring their A-game to ICC tournaments, so you can expect them to make it to the semis at least.

 

[Sidilicious]

Exactly. He was making merry on flat tracks but the pitches for the series against Australia puy a stop that. Perhaps that has sapped his confidence but IPL performances only tell you so much. If he fails in England, then there might be cause for concern.

Why isn't Raina in contention any more? He's still a quality #5/#6 batsman.

The same tracks where Ashwin was averaging 7-8 wickets every game?

So either Ash bowled really well on flat tracks, or Kohli batted well on spin tracks. Or , OR, the pitches were decent, not exactly flat or rank turners, and both played well?

 

[SandyB]

Many of our players are worn out after the long home season. Especially Ash, Jaddu and Kohli. If Kohli flops as batsman & Captian at CT, India must seriously consider haviing a different LOI captian. Rohit seems really good , atleast for T20is.

 

[shravan]

The same tracks where Ashwin was averaging 7-8 wickets every game?

So either Ash bowled really well on flat tracks, or Kohli batted well on spin tracks. Or , OR, the pitches were decent, not exactly flat or rank turners, and both played well?

If Ashwin picks up wickets it's a rank turner but when Kohli scores runs on the same pitch it magically becomes a road. Its all a bcci evil plan.

 

[English August]

The team has been carefully selected to ensure a first round exit from the tournament. That way the BCCI doesn't get punished for not participating and the sponsors don't get the benefit of having India in knock-outs.

Clever move.

 

[stevewittry]

Selection in my mind is a blessing in disguise considering the long term. This will permanently get rid of past expiry date players such as Yuvraj and Dhoni, and also hacks such as Dhavan and Pandya. Some of these will end up retiring a la YK.

May be this will be the last series that will see Kohli the captain.

The next series will see a new born Indian side featuring the deserving youngsters that can be groomed for the WC19.

 

[ftbno1]

Mark my words!!Yuvi and MSD will maie you eat your words and Iwill be bumping this thread to gloat. Pathetic mentality by indian posters
"Har jaane wale ko gali,aane wale par taali"

 

[stevewittry]

Mark my words!!Yuvi and MSD will maie you eat your words and Iwill be bumping this thread to gloat. Pathetic mentality by indian posters
"Har jaane wale ko gali,aane wale par taali"

Chances are remote, but if it happens will not be good for team India.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Kohli's last 6 scores are 0, 10, 55, 20, 6, 5.

Uff - I just had flash backs to Imran Farhat's scores....

Or Worst form as in Mohammad Amir scoring more runs then him in England?

Cant set the bar that high man!

 

[Hasan123]

The same tracks where Ashwin was averaging 7-8 wickets every game?

So either Ash bowled really well on flat tracks, or Kohli batted well on spin tracks. Or , OR, the pitches were decent, not exactly flat or rank turners, and both played well?

So which is it [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION],flat pitches or rank turners? Does Kohli deserve credit or does Ashwin?

 

[Bilal7]

The same tracks where Ashwin was averaging 7-8 wickets every game?

So either Ash bowled really well on flat tracks, or Kohli batted well on spin tracks. Or , OR, the pitches were decent, not exactly flat or rank turners, and both played well?

An average of 30 on your home pitches is hardly any good. He bowled well against New Zealand.

So which is it [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION],flat pitches or rank turners? Does Kohli deserve credit or does Ashwin?

If you don't see the difference between the pitches that the Saffers and Aussies played on and the ones that the English and Kiwis played on, you're either blind or don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Specialisttailender]

Not worried about IPL performance, my only true worry is Dhoni and Dhawan's form. Everyone will sort out it out.

 

[jusarrived]

Not worried about IPL performance, my only true worry is Dhoni and Dhawan's form. Everyone will sort out it out.

Actually both Dhawan and Dhoni have looked in good touch . My concern is Rohit sharma at the top eating up balls to score a attractive a hundred

 

[jusarrived]

Honestly our batting has some concerns , they are not in great from but the bowling has never looked better .

Bumrah , Bhuvi , Shami , Jadeja and Ashwin

 

[ftbno1]

Mark my words!!Yuvi and MSD will maie you eat your words and Iwill be bumping this thread to gloat. Pathetic mentality by indian posters
"Har jaane wale ko gali,aane wale par taali"

BumP
Ididnt wanaa say I told you so. But
I
Told
You
So.
Same guys who were criticizing Yuvi's selection a few days back are singing his praised.