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Iran confirms supreme leader Khamenei is dead after US, Israeli attacks [Update@ Post 563]

How will Iran react to the attack from Israel?

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ElRaja said:
dont mean to be the one stating the obvious, but shias do like dynasties, lol, i do see your point though, if anything these kind of selections make it even more obvious that politically the regime is not doing well. healthy political machines have enough checks and balances to avoid the need to resort to dynastic selections to appease power blocks.

the only sensible solutions is for both sides to declare some form of hollow victory and go back to political posturing. israel has failed to instigate a regime change, and iran has further alienated every arab entity in the gulf.
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Lol you are quite right about the dynasty part. Didn't quite think it through. But they do seem to oppose monarchy type situations and this kind of seems like one.
 
bk19xsa said:
It's a tactical decision. They want a message to sent out to their people that there is still a solid connection to their passed away Imam and to their enemies that the King might be dead but long live the King aka the 'regime', which their enemies so want to topple.
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I think it sends the opposite message.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Lol you are quite right about the dynasty part. Didn't quite think it through. But they do seem to oppose monarchy type situations and this kind of seems like one.
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The Economist has an article saying it's a clear sign that the IRGC has emerged dominant over the clergy. The civilian government and army were not that influential anyway.

Mojtaba's no Mujtahid, no Ayatollah... actually first attended seminary at the age of 30. So he will depend for legitimacy on 2 things - his father's name and IRGC support. I suppose they think this will allow them to control him.

If he's allowed to live, he may come into his own but for now he's a very shaky supreme leader. Shows how even in the midst of a war and an existential threat, politics and maneuvering never stops.
 
Red-Indian said:
The Economist has an article saying it's a clear sign that the IRGC has emerged dominant over the clergy. The civilian government and army were not that influential anyway.

Mojtaba's no Mujtahid, no Ayatollah... actually first attended seminary at the age of 30. So he will depend for legitimacy on 2 things - his father's name and IRGC support. I suppose they think this will allow them to control him.

If he's allowed to live, he may come into his own but for now he's a very shaky supreme leader. Shows how even in the midst of a war and an existential threat, politics and maneuvering never stops.
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If anything politics and maneuvering is of utmost importance during such scenarios, the most famous for this butcher of South Asians Churchill.. knew when to employ whom for the right effect.
 
IAJ said:
This is outright badmashi of the highest order. They behave as if they can do whatever they want, and no one is doing anything about it. It’s absolutely sickening. :cry:
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They're able to do it because instead of supporting our Jihad against Western zionists, countries like Pakistan pledged their army and missiles instead to Zionist pet dogs in the region, also known as Saudis.

If we give our full support to Iran in this moment, they will give a bloody nose to Zionists and make them suffer.
 
The Israeli Air Force has launched a new wave of "extensive" airstrikes in Tehran, Isfahan, and in southern Iran, the IDF announces.

The IDF says the strikes are targeting Iranian regime infrastructure.

:kp
 
IAJ said:
This is outright badmashi of the highest order. They behave as if they can do whatever they want, and no one is doing anything about it. It’s absolutely sickening. :cry:
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for the first time in a long time there are countries who are talking out loud about the injustice being conducted by Israel and US
that is something especially coming from nations that used to be anti Iran.

I see tides turning for the worst in coming future for US and Israel. Iran was already damaged and hurt, they are probably just used to living like this sadly.
 
bones said:
Did you attend the institute of propaganda at the University of Tel Aviv?

Get out of here with your zionist backed lies.
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These Sanghi converts will stick to Pakistani forums to keep posting their propaganda and lies. Everything for them started off on Oct 7th. Their own portals are garbage so no wonder these Hindutva Terrorists are always seen here
 
Watch Israel getting pummeled last night. Everyday you notice less and less air dome and Iranian ballistics are easily making it through and making a parking lot out of phaadarland. No wonder western media has stopped reporting anything on Israeli destruction and have done a complete ban. Heard they even tried to reach Iran for a cease fire but Iran wasn't interested

 
Kriketer said:
These Sanghi converts will stick to Pakistani forums to keep posting their propaganda and lies. Everything for them started off on Oct 7th. Their own portals are garbage so no wonder these Hindutva Terrorists are always seen here
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I strongly suspect some of these accounts are paid operators pushing Indian propaganda on this forum
 
emranabbas said:
I strongly suspect some of these accounts are paid operators pushing Indian propaganda on this forum
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Don't think these morning toilet lineupers need the rupee temptation, just mention Pakistan and Muslim and they ll come running like a rat towards cheese. Amount of islamophobia they post here tells you about their conditions
 
Kriketer said:
Watch Israel getting pummeled last night. Everyday you notice less and less air dome and Iranian ballistics are easily making it through and making a parking lot out of phaadarland. No wonder western media has stopped reporting anything on Israeli destruction and have done a complete ban. Heard they even tried to reach Iran for a cease fire but Iran wasn't interested

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Awesome if it is true but we all know what is happening.

One side is getting decimated pulverized wiped out but if it can survive it wins.
The other side is getting minimal damage but if it can't destroy the regime and /or the nuclear programme then it loses. The latter is easy
.the former not so much. We will see what happens
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Yeh it's scary. Very scary. Hard to see any military off ramps.

Only hope is the price of oil makes everyone come to the table and find a solution.

Irans selection of Khameini son is also interesting. Shias are usually very much against dynastic politics and it's possible he may have earned it on merit but it does look like a nepo selection.

Difficult to see if it's a declaration of more of the same, or they feel that Khameini son will be best placed to negotiate a deal in a way that pleases the Iranian masses ( I.e if the son of the slain Ayatollah can deal with his killers then who are we to ask for more revenge)
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Many say it was this son actually making the decisions as Ali Koehmeni was unwell due to cancer. And that Mojtaba is way more hardline.

The Iranian commander Qaani who survived many attacks yet others died, has also been executed as a traitor
 
straighttalk said:
Awesome if it is true but we all know what is happening.

One side is getting decimated pulverized wiped out but if it can survive it wins.
The other side is getting minimal damage but if it can't destroy the regime and /or the nuclear programme then it loses. The latter is easy
.the former not so much. We will see what happens
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How do you know? They are censoring everyone, including mainstream media. So how do you know?
 
bones said:
How do you know? They are censoring everyone, including mainstream media. So how do you know?
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The same way you know iran is decimating tel Aviv. There are enough coverage of damage in tel Aviv ...sure some is censored but you have al Jazeera trt cnn covering from tel Aviv. Only visuals are banned not coverage.

It's all about missile math...Iran navy and air force is in tatters..their leadership is wiped out and total air supremacy has been established. Which means us and Israel can do whatever it wants...by that it means can it detect and hit the nuclear infra and the missile and drone depot and. Launchers. That's not yet clear.

Iran is doing what Ukraine was doing.. fight bravely with low resources. Kudos to them but they are hardly winning militarily. But startegically they can win if the regime survives. Two are completely different.
 
bones said:
A lond period of several decades where Palestinians were systemically being oppressed. You want to go back in time - how about you go back to the true root cause.
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While you are correct the hostility dates back ..the present conflict started due to Iran's proxy actions which were barbarkc and sub human and the isrselis were well within their rights to respond...howeve the prior 12 day war should have been the conclusion instead now Israel created new round of hostilities.
 
Kriketer said:
These Sanghi converts will stick to Pakistani forums to keep posting their propaganda and lies. Everything for them started off on Oct 7th. Their own portals are garbage so no wonder these Hindutva Terrorists are always seen here
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Another day of "India India India" "Narendra Narendra Narendra" "God save the King God save the King God save the King".

British Pakistanis should be deleted from the Ummah. They aren't capable of even running a lemonade stand in a police station.
 
straighttalk said:
Awesome if it is true but we all know what is happening.

One side is getting decimated pulverized wiped out but if it can survive it wins.
The other side is getting minimal damage but if it can't destroy the regime and /or the nuclear programme then it loses. The latter is easy
.the former not so much. We will see what happens
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Yes, that side is Israel which is getting decimated, so hopefully it isn't going to stop anytime soon. They have never been bombarded like this before and it is only going to get worse for them. Iran needs to make sure it goes all out and take care of that genocidal colonial colony for good or else this region ll be infested with Israelis terrorism, ethnic cleansing, genocide and wars by the Israelis or on behalf of Israel.

Even if Israel survives this, their long term prospects don't seem promising considering the amount of Americans that are now against that rogue nation. Matter of time before AIPAC is booted out of US and support is bottled down substantially. That's when they will really be heading towards Argentina's south or a new land perhaps a portion in India. Their history is filled with similar chain of events and they have run to regions which they had befriended.
 
Varun said:
Another day of "India India India" "Narendra Narendra Narendra" "God save the King God save the King God save the King".

British Pakistanis should be deleted from the Ummah. They aren't capable of even running a lemonade stand in a police station.
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If you are not a Hindudva Sanghi, not sure why do you feel constantly so hurt pointing out the obvious about the extremist fanatics of your motherland? Your Sanghis deny anything happened before Oct 7, are deeply. Islamophobic and constantly cheer for the savages committing the worst crimes agaisnt humanity. Any decent Indian with common sense will and should feel embarrassed by such sick section of their society
 
Sad the son is appointed. More people are going to die now.

It also doesn’t particularly make sense in the fact if it’s supposed to be done on religious grounds, why is it the son? And if it’s not done on religious grounds than how can you argue why the people can’t choose the leader democratically? The whole point of them saying the people shouldn’t choose as the voting should be done by those religious enough to pick the most pious one to lead. I heard even the father said he preferred if his son wasn’t picked.

That’s why you don’t just kill a leader of the country like trump has. Doesn’t work. Innocents just die and someone comes in just as bad.

Only realistic ways of doing that are a coup by arming revolutionaries. Or an actual foreign invasion.
 
Kriketer said:
If you are not a Hindudva Sanghi, not sure why do you feel constantly so hurt pointing out the obvious about the extremist fanatics of your motherland? Your Sanghis deny anything happened before Oct 7, are deeply. Islamophobic and constantly cheer for the savages committing the worst crimes agaisnt humanity. Any decent Indian with common sense will and should feel embarrassed by such sick section of their society
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Sure, but this is not the thread for that.

The death toll in Iran as things stand is 1,255. Further, over 12,000 have been injured.

Channel your ire towards Benjamin and Donald. They should not be allowed to get away with this. Closer to (your) home, you should protest the UK sailing an aircraft carrier to this conflict.

India is irrelevant. Don't waste your ammunition on India and Bulgaria and Kenya.
 
Kriketer said:
Yes, that side is Israel which is getting decimated, so hopefully it isn't going to stop anytime soon. They have never been bombarded like this before and it is only going to get worse for them. Iran needs to make sure it goes all out and take care of that genocidal colonial colony for good or else this region ll be infested with Israelis terrorism, ethnic cleansing, genocide and wars by the Israelis or on behalf of Israel.

Even if Israel survives this, their long term prospects don't seem promising considering the amount of Americans that are now against that rogue nation. Matter of time before AIPAC is booted out of US and support is bottled down substantially. That's when they will really be heading towards Argentina's south or a new land perhaps a portion in India. Their history is filled with similar chain of events and they have run to regions which they had befriended.
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The latter part is possible but the damage to Israel is not that bad...there will be casualties and damage but compared to what is happening to iran..it's very less.
 
Also just unsure what will bring conflict to an end. Iran regime change will stop hostility to Israel and reduce terroism funding in the Arab world. That’s probably a good thing. I think Iran would also be better off.

Israel packing up their bags and leaving may also reduce the need for Iran and others to engage in terrorism. But is hardly realistic at this point.

Perhaps the best solution would be give Palestine 100% of its land and their part of Jerusalem (after the division). Recognise Israel. Cease from all terroism activities, with all countries involved agreeing in working together to fight any remaining terrorists. Terrorist groups have become so strong feeding off other countries governments fighting with each other and protection under the pretences of righteous causes. But unfortunately there will always be some hardliners who will never accept Israel to exist in the region or Israel not to have full control of Jerusalem (or even West Bank and Gaza too). These are just unrealistic solutions in the bounds of impossibilities, not worth fighting forever for.
 
Varun said:
Sure, but this is not the thread for that.

The death toll in Iran as things stand is 1,255. Further, over 12,000 have been injured.

Channel your ire towards Benjamin and Donald. They should not be allowed to get away with this. Closer to (your) home, you should protest the UK sailing an aircraft carrier to this conflict.

India is irrelevant. Don't waste your ammunition on India and Bulgaria and Kenya.
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If you are not a Saghi extremist then it's not directed towards you. I do appreciate a few sane minds of India who don't support Israel and are quite open about it, got nothing agaisnt them. But any Modi Gujrat butcher fan and his sickness here for killing of Muslims for decades ll be pointed out and spoken against, it's a Pakistani forum afterall. Padosis should feel free to go elsewhere if such point of view bother them
 
straighttalk said:
The same way you know iran is decimating tel Aviv. There are enough coverage of damage in tel Aviv ...sure some is censored but you have al Jazeera trt cnn covering from tel Aviv. Only visuals are banned not coverage.

It's all about missile math...Iran navy and air force is in tatters..their leadership is wiped out and total air supremacy has been established. Which means us and Israel can do whatever it wants...by that it means can it detect and hit the nuclear infra and the missile and drone depot and. Launchers. That's not yet clear.

Iran is doing what Ukraine was doing.. fight bravely with low resources. Kudos to them but they are hardly winning militarily. But startegically they can win if the regime survives. Two are completely different.
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It seems to me you are following legacy media and legacy media alone. There is more to a war than just bug fancy visuals of building being blow up.

You don't even acknowledge that Iran won the 12 day war, multiple independent sources have confirmed it was Isael who asked the US to call for a ceasefire and both sides agreed and they had those symbolic missile barrages to pander their own audiences. You can hit our base and we will hit your Fordow NP.

You are like all the amateurs around the internet who doesn't understand military history and the enemy. There is just no way short of something catastrophic, the US can win this. They are talking the big game but they're not backing it up. For example, if things are going so smoothly for the US why are they attempting to get Europe involved? Why are the Kurds being talked about? Why are they Pulling in the 82nd airborne division? Why is a third carrier group being summoned? These are not signed they are winning.

Then let's talking about the next steps. In over a century, apart from Nuclear Weapons, no country has ever won a war from the air - it doesn't happen. As the professsor says in this video - the weight of history is against US:


So clearly the US needs ground troops and huge, massive enormous numbers. The sheer logistics involved are off the charts. They'll close to a million troops given how big Iran is. Then the question how do they get in? They can't come in via Iraq or Azerbaijan because of the very long and unprotected supply lines. They can't come in from the north obviously. They definitely can't come in via the sea as they'd be sitting ducks. Balochistan could be an option but that risks escalation on another level and I don't as corrupt as Pakistan's establishment are they would allow it.

Even if there was a way to get into Iran - it would take 6-8 months to get everything in position for the invasion. It ain't happening - the US public don't want it.

I could go on and on but that's enough for now.
 
straighttalk said:
While you are correct the hostility dates back ..the present conflict started due to Iran's proxy actions which were barbarkc and sub human and the isrselis were well within their rights to respond...howeve the prior 12 day war should have been the conclusion instead now Israel created new round of hostilities.
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The prsent conflict started due to Israel running an apartheid state that goes back decades. No apartheid state, no illegal expansions in the west bank and no proxies fighting Israel.
 
Varun said:
India is irrelevant. Don't waste your ammunition on India and Bulgaria and Kenya.
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India isn't that irrelevant I feel. They aren't involved in the military conflict but they are impacted by the economic war. India can influence this war by applying pressure on the US to end it promptly. India were also foolish to pick Israel (even though they didn't say it - their actions show it). The Russians were not happy and imposed full price fuel to India, asking them to think carefully as to which side they want to be on. India claims to be friends with all or be neutral, but in this case they haven't been.

I have heard rumours that India were considering allowing the US to use their ports but seems like they're going to use Diego Garcia.
 
ads101 said:
Also just unsure what will bring conflict to an end. Iran regime change will stop hostility to Israel and reduce terroism funding in the Arab world. That’s probably a good thing. I think Iran would also be better off.

Israel packing up their bags and leaving may also reduce the need for Iran and others to engage in terrorism. But is hardly realistic at this point.

Perhaps the best solution would be give Palestine 100% of its land and their part of Jerusalem (after the division). Recognise Israel. Cease from all terroism activities, with all countries involved agreeing in working together to fight any remaining terrorists. Terrorist groups have become so strong feeding off other countries governments fighting with each other and protection under the pretences of righteous causes. But unfortunately there will always be some hardliners who will never accept Israel to exist in the region or Israel not to have full control of Jerusalem (or even West Bank and Gaza too). These are just unrealistic solutions in the bounds of impossibilities, not worth fighting forever for.
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Another hypocritical post of making one side look bad and another just the victims. Are Muslims attacking random neighboring countries around the globe? How do you guys keep looking at it from one spectrum and completely neglect the terrorism of Israel against Palestinians for decades and it's land theft, which are the root and sole cause for the mess Middle East is in for decades.

Israel has been a terrible failed colonial project, it worked in the stone ages, but it wasn't going to work in this century. Before 9/11 majority couldn't even pinpoint Muslim countries, attack which was planned and carried out by Israel and not some cavemen whose passports were found under the burnt rubble. Not a conspiracy when things are pretty obvious
 
ElRaja said:
dont mean to be the one stating the obvious, but shias do like dynasties, lol, i do see your point though, if anything these kind of selections make it even more obvious that politically the regime is not doing well. healthy political machines have enough checks and balances to avoid the need to resort to dynastic selections to appease power blocks.

the only sensible solutions is for both sides to declare some form of hollow victory and go back to political posturing. israel has failed to instigate a regime change, and iran has further alienated every arab entity in the gulf.
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Actually Iran wanted to go away from the family dynasties after Shah, and the current situation is totally different. In a normal situation I would also have questioned this selection, but given that Mojtaba Khamenei just have lost his father, his mother, his wife, his sister, niece and his brother-in-law, this was a bold decision by him to accept this position as he is going to a almost certain death.

I mean who would do that? US and Israel have already said they are going to kill the next supreme leader, so I have to say he is a brave man who has accepted this post.
 
BREAKING: All schools, colleges and universities in Pakistan's largest province Punjab to remain closed from 10th March to 31st March due to prevailing regional situation - media reports .

Is this true @The Bald Eagle ?

:kp
 
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