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Iran has threatened “harsh punishment” for Israel, which it says was responsible for assassinating Hamas’s leader on Wednesday.

Israel has not commented directly on the strike which killed Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran early on Wednesday.

However, Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said his country had delivered “crushing blows” to its enemies in recent days, including the killing of a senior Hezbollah commander in Lebanon hours before the Tehran strike.

He warned Israelis that “challenging days lie ahead”, as fears of a wider conflict in the Middle East grow.

"Since the strike in Beirut, we have heard threats from all sides," he told a televised address.

"We are prepared for any scenario and we will stand united and determined."

UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres warned against a "dangerous escalation" of hostilities in the region.

Hamas's armed wing said the death of Haniyeh, who was widely viewed as the group's overall leader, would "take the battle to new dimensions" and have major repercussions.

The group attacked Israel on 7 October, killing around 1,200 people. Since the attack, Israel has vowed to destroy Hamas.

Haniyeh, who played an important role in negotiations over a ceasefire in Gaza, was killed hours after attending the inauguration of Iran's new president, Masoud Pezeshkian, in Tehran.

A senior Hamas official told the BBC the killing took place in the same building where Haniyeh had stayed during previous visits to Iran.

Three Hamas leaders and a number of guards were with him in the same building, they said.

Khalil Al-Hayya, a senior Hamas official, told a news conference that a missile hit Haniyeh "directly", citing witnesses who were with him.

The group's leadership has been left in "a state of shock", top Hamas officials have told the BBC.

Hours before Haniyeh was targeted, Israel said it had killed senior Hezbollah leader Fuad Shukr in Beirut.

Israel believes he was responsible for a rocket attack that killed 12 people in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights on Saturday. Hezbollah has denied any involvement.

The Iran-backed group confirmed Shukr's body was found among the rubble of the residential building which was struck. Four other people, including two children, were killed.

Building destro yed with wires hanging out from debris.

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Iran has few options other than outright war and risk pulling USA in which they desperately dont want. I dont think they have any covert assets in Israel to take revenge in a targeted manner
 
Well to laugh missiles that get intercepted ahead of time won't suffice their agenda. Certainly they would be planning something bigger this time.

Could it ever be a high profile assasination inside Israel?
 
They will lob some missiles, they will cause couple of civilian deaths, they will ramp up their proxy wars, and then call it a day. They are no in way capable of doing anything more than that. Anything they risk a war and that won't end well for them. Israel and its allies have too much conventional, nuclear, aerial, power to make any dent into their countries. More than that modern warfare is all about superiority in gathering information and using modern software for destructive purpose. Despite their sophisticated drone technology, Iran is nowhere never Israel or their allies in modern warfare. They know that and that is why they stick to proxies
 
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lol every 6 months later someone important in Iran dies, and they vow to take revenge till the next important person of Iran dies.

Its like plucking grass
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Iran uses proxy warfare . Iran is responsible for most IDF deaths in history.
 
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lol every 6 months later someone important in Iran dies, and they vow to take revenge till the next important person of Iran dies.

Its like plucking grass
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The cards are stacked against them. It's an election year in the US. There will be a lot of pressure for Biden to enter the conflict even though he doesn't want to. And none of the Arab states are with them either.

So the retaliation will be a missile barrage which Israel will intercept with the help of allies
 
Iran warns Hezbollah will strike civilian targets deeper in Israel as war fears heighten

Iran said on Saturday it expects Lebanon’s Tehran-backed Hezbollah terror group to strike deeper inside Israel and no longer be confined to military targets after Israel killed Hezbollah military commander Fuad Shukr.

The warning comes amid increased fears of a major escalation in the area and continued cross-border fire between Israel and Hezbollah, which started attacking Israel the day after the October 7 Hamas-launched onslaught on Israel from Gaza.

But a strike claimed by Israel in a crowded residential area of South Beirut changed the Lebanese terror group’s calculus, Iran’s mission to the United Nations said.

A spokesperson for Iran’s Permanent Mission to the United Nations told CBS that until now, Hezbollah has limited itself according to an “unwritten understanding” with Israel “confining their actions to border areas and shallow zones, targeting primarily military objectives.”

“However, the [Israeli] regime’s attack on the Dahieh [neighborhood] in Beirut and the targeting of a residential building marked a deviation from these boundaries. We anticipate that, in its response, Hezbollah will choose both broader and deeper targets, and will not restrict itself solely to military targets and means,” the spokesperson said.

The strike on Tuesday killed Shukr. According to Lebanon’s health ministry, five civilians — three women and two children — also died.

Israel said Shukr was responsible for the rocket attack that killed 12 children and teens playing soccer in the Golan Heights, and had directed Hezbollah’s attacks on Israel since the Gaza war began.

Hours after Shukr’s killing, Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh, was killed in a pre-dawn explosion in his accommodation in Tehran, Iran’s Revolutionary Guards said.

Israel has not claimed responsibility.

On Thursday, Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah said Israel and “those who are behind it must await our inevitable response” to the killings of both Shukr and Haniyeh.

Iran and Hamas have also vowed to retaliate.

A main terrorist

The clashes continued over the weekend.

A prominent Hezbollah operative in the terror group’s so-called Southern Front unit was killed in an Israeli drone strike on Saturday in southern Lebanon, the IDF said.

The strike in the town of Bazourieh, near the coastal city of Tyre killed Ali Abd Ali.

The IDF said Ali was a “main terrorist in the Southern Front of the Hezbollah terror organization,” and involved in planning and carrying out numerous attacks.

His killing is a “significant blow to the functioning of the Southern Front and the Hezbollah terror organization in the region,” the IDF added.

The Southern Front is a Hezbollah regional unit responsible for the terror group’s activities in the entire southern Lebanon, the equivalent of a regional command.

A source close to Hezbollah said late Friday that Israel also carried out strikes on a convoy of trucks entering Lebanon from Syria.

“Three Israeli strikes targeted a convoy of tanker trucks on the Syrian-Lebanese border in the Hawsh el-Sayyed Ali area, injuring one Syrian driver,” the source told AFP.

It was the latest in a series of Israeli strikes in the border area, the source added.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights war monitor also reported Israeli strikes inside Syria near the border with Lebanon, without mentioning any casualties.

The strikes targeted an area near a border crossing “used by Hezbollah to move trucks and group members” between Lebanon and Syria, said the Britain-based Observatory, which relies on a network of sources inside Syria.

“One of the strikes targeted a truck convoy,” while another targeted “a farm on the outskirts of Qusayr in Homs province,” the Observatory said on Saturday.

Iran-backed Hezbollah has a strong presence on both sides of the eastern stretch of the Lebanese-Syria border, where it supports the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

Meanwhile, incoming rocket sirens were activated in the Western Galilee community of Matat, with at least one rocket exploding in an open area.

In a further sign of tension, Sweden said Saturday it was shutting its embassy in Beirut after urging thousands of its citizens to leave Lebanon.

“The foreign ministry has instructed its staff to leave Beirut and travel to Cyprus, and the foreign ministry is planning a temporary relocation of its embassy,” Swedish Foreign Minister Tobias Billstrom told Swedish Radio.

The decision had been taken “initially for the month of August but may be extended depending on the security situation.”

“The ministry is monitoring developments closely,” he said.

According to the foreign ministry, as many as 10,000 Swedish nationals may have traveled to Lebanon this summer, defying a travel warning in place for the country since October 2023.

“I urge Swedes in Lebanon to leave the country by whichever means possible, while they still can,” he said.

SOURCE: https://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-...rgets-deeper-in-israel-as-war-fears-heighten/
 
Iran can do a lot more than dropping missiles through Hezbollah into Israel.

You have a Jordanian King that says he’ll shoot down any missile that enters his airspace and is targeting Israel.

He’s your first target, if I was the supreme leader of Iran, I’d wipe out the Royal family in Jordan.

Next would be to target the Egyptian President. Get Sisi out and open up the borders.

What are Egypt and Jordan going to do to Iran in retaliation?

Killing a few civilians in Israel would be like me being robbed by Jeff Bezos and then ordering something through Amazon and reporting it as item not delivered.
 
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I think Iran should beef up its defense. It probably wouldn't be wise to fall into Israel's trap.

Seems like Israel wants a global war badly.
 

US to send jets and warships as Iran threatens Israel​


The US will deploy additional warships and fighter jets to the Middle East to help defend Israel from possible attacks by Iran and its proxies, the Pentagon said.

Tensions remain high in the region over the assassination of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh in Iran and a key commander of the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah.

Missile defence forces were placed on a state of increased readiness to deploy, the Pentagon said, adding that its commitment to defend Israel was "ironclad".

Iran's leader Ayatollah Khamenei has vowed "harsh punishment" against Israel for the assassination of Haniyeh.

The Hamas leader was killed in Tehran on Wednesday. Iran and its proxy in Gaza blamed the attack on Israel, which has not commented.

Haniyeh, 62, was widely considered Hamas's overall leader and played a key role in negotiations aimed at reaching a ceasefire in the Gaza war.

His death came just hours after Israel claimed it killed Fuad Shukr, the top military commander of Iran's proxy in Lebanon, Hezbollah.

A Pentagon statement said the new deployments would "improve US force protection... increase support for the defence of Israel, and ... ensure the US is prepared to respond to various contingencies".

The deployments would include additional ballistic missile defense-capable cruisers and destroyers, it said.

On Tel Aviv’s seafront, the mood appears relaxed with bronzed bodies lazing under beach umbrellas.

But few are in any doubt that the Middle East stands perilously close to full- scale war.

Israel is on high alert.

Several international airlines have suspended flights to the country.

Meanwhile, Israeli ministers were sent home this weekend with satellite phones in case of an attack on communication infrastructure.

Earlier on Saturday, Israeli forces killed a Hamas operative in the West Bank.

Dozens of Palestinians were reported to have been killed in strikes on Gaza in the last 24 hours - a reminder that Israel’s war in the region continues even as diplomats scramble to prevent its escalation.

The US military has stepped-up deployments before, on 13 April when Iran launched an attack on Israel with drones and missiles. Israel and its allies shot down almost all of roughly 300 drones and missiles that were fired.

Israel has not commented directly on the strike which killed Haniyeh. But Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said his country had delivered "crushing blows" to its enemies in recent days, including the killing of Shukr in Beirut.

He warned Israelis that "challenging days lie ahead... we have heard threats from all sides. We are prepared for any scenario".

Earlier, Pentagon spokesperson Sabrina Singh said the US did not believe escalation was inevitable.

"I think we are being very direct in our messaging that certainly we don't want to see heightened tensions and we do believe there is an off-ramp here and that is that ceasefire deal," Singh said.

An Israeli delegation will travel to Cairo in coming days for negotiations to reach a Gaza ceasefire and hostage release deal, Mr Netanyahu said on Friday.

Hamas sparked the war with its 7 October attack on Israel, which killed 1,200 people. Israel responded with an ongoing military operation in Gaza that has killed almost 40,000 people, according to the Hamas-run health ministry.

The circumstances surrounding Haniyeh's death are, as yet, still unclear.

On Saturday, the Daily Telegraph, external reported that Iranian agents hired by Israel's Mossad spy agency had planted bombs in a building where Haniyeh was staying.

The newspaper says that two agents placed bombs in three rooms of an Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corp guesthouse in Tehran, which were detonated from abroad.

An earlier report by the New York Times, external said that the bombs had been snuck into the building two months earlier.

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US deploys jets and warships as Iran threatens Israel

Iran says it will "punish" Israel for the assassination of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh.
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US urges citizens to leave Lebanon on 'any available ticket'

The US embassy in Beirut has urged its citizens to leave Lebanon on “any ticket available”, amid soaring tensions in the Middle East.

The advisory follows a similar warning from UK Foreign Secretary David Lammy, who said the regional situation “could deteriorate rapidly”.

Iran has vowed “severe” retaliation against Israel, which it blames for the death of Hamas chief Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran on Wednesday. His assassination came hours after Israel killed Hezbollah commander Fuad Shukr in Beirut.

It is feared that Lebanon-based Hezbollah, an Iran-backed group, could play a heavy role in any such retaliation, which in turn could spark a serious Israeli response.

Hezbollah launched dozens of rockets at the town of Beit Hillel in northern Israel at around 00:25 local time on Sunday (22:25 BST Saturday) .

Footage posted on social media showed Israel's Iron Dome air defence system intercepting the rockets. There have been no reports of casualties.

Jordan's Foreign Ministry has also issued advice to its citizens, telling those in Lebanon to leave immediately and warning others not to travel there.

Canada has warned its nationals to avoid travel to Israel, on top of existing advice against going to Lebanon, because the "situation can deteriorate further without warning" in the region.

The US embassy stated on Saturday that those who choose to stay in Lebanon should “prepare contingency plans” and be prepared to “shelter in place for an extended period of time”.

It said that several airlines have suspended and cancelled flights, and many have sold out, but “commercial transportation options to leave Lebanon remain available".

The Pentagon said it was deploying additional warships and fighter jets to the region to help defend Israel from possible attacks by Iran and its proxies.

The UK said it was sending extra military personnel, consular staff and border force officials to help with any evacuations - but urged UK citizens to leave Lebanon “while commercial flights are running".

Two British military ships are already in the region and the Royal Air Force has put transport helicopters on standby.

Mr Lammy said it was “in no-one’s interest for this conflict to spread across the region”.

Meanwhile in Gaza, at least 17 people in a school sheltering displaced persons were killed by an Israeli strike, the Hamas-run authorities said on Saturday.

The Israeli military says the Hamama school in Gaza City's Sheikh Radwan neighbourhood was being used as a command centre for militants. Hamas has denied it operates from civilian facilities.

Israeli ministers were sent home this weekend with satellite phones in case of an attack on the country's communication infrastructure.

In April, Iran launched an air attack on Israel using 170 drones, 30 cruise missiles and at least 110 ballistic missiles.

That was in retaliation for the Israeli bombing of an Iranian consulate in Damascus, Syria.

Many fear Iran’s retaliation on this occasion could take a similar form.

In a phone call with EU Foreign Policy Chief Josep Borrell on Friday, Iran's Acting Foreign Minister Ali Baqeri Kani said Iran would "undoubtedly use its inherent and legitimate right" to "punish" Israel.

On Friday, an announcer on Iran's state TV warned "the world would witness extraordinary scenes".

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has warned Israelis that "challenging days lie ahead... We have heard threats from all sides. We are prepared for any scenario".

Tensions between Israel and Iran initially escalated with the killing of 12 children and teenagers in a strike on the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights.

Israel accused Hezbollah and vowed “severe” retaliation, though Hezbollah denied it was involved.

Days later, senior Hezbollah commander Fuad Shukr was killed in a targeted Israeli air strike in Beirut. Four others, including two children, were also killed.

Hours after that, Hamas chief Ismail Haniyeh was assassinated in Iran, Hamas's main backer. He was visiting to attend the inauguration of Iran's new president, Masoud Pezeshkian.

At a funeral ceremony for Haniyeh in Tehran on Thursday, Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, led the prayers. He had earlier vowed that Israel would suffer a “harsh punishment” for the killing.

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Blinken said to tell US allies Iran could attack Israel within next 24 to 48 hours

IDF says officer and soldier moderately wounded in Hezbollah rocket strike in northern Israel * Biden to convene national security team Monday to discuss Middle East developments.

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Iran is like Funaki in front of The Great Khali that Israel is.
 
Must say I really respect Iran's daleri when it comes to countering Israel's badmashi. Love from India <3
 

G7 nations urge de-escalation in Middle East amid threat of broader conflict​


The Group of Seven major democracies urged restraint and de-escalation in the Middle East on Monday, saying that recent events "threatened to ignite a broader conflict in the region."

The G7 urged "all involved parties once again to refrain from perpetuating the current destructive cycle of retaliatory violence, to lower tensions and engage constructively toward de-escalation," in a statement.

 
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What Iran thinks the world sees when it throws a hissy fit


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Finally something where I completely disagree with you Bhaijan. I see Iran as the base form Goku who had jigra to take on Friezrael. Matter of time before this power-gap is bridged with other Islamic nations lending their power for the eventual spirit bomb.

Call it my delusions, but I have a feeling that Iran is about to go Super Saiyan in the region. We will hear some major earth shaking news about their nuclear program soon.
 
Biden meets national security team as fears of Iran attack on Israel grow

US President Joe Biden met his senior national security team on Monday as concerns of a possible Iranian retaliatory attack on Israel grew.

Mr Biden said he had been briefed on preparations to support Israel should it be attacked, while Secretary of State Antony Blinken said officials were working "around the clock" to prevent an escalation.

Tensions have risen over the last week following the assassination of Hamas' political leader Ismail Haniyeh, for which Iran has blamed Israel and vowed “severe” retaliation. Israel has not claimed responsibility for the assassination.

Numerous countries, including the US and UK, have also told their citizens to leave Lebanon, from where it is feared Hezbollah, an Iran-backed militia and political movement, could play a role in any response.

During Monday's briefing, Mr Biden was told the timing and nature of an Iranian attack remained unclear, according to US news site Axios. A day earlier, Mr Blinken reportedly told his G7 counterparts that Iran and Hezbollah could attack Israel within 24 to 48 hours.

In a statement released after the briefing, Mr Biden said: "We received updates on threats posed by Iran and its proxies, diplomatic efforts to de-escalate regional tensions, and preparations to support Israel should it be attacked again."

He added that steps were being taken to respond to attacks on US forces "in a manner and place of our choosing". On Monday, several US personnel were injured in a suspected rocket attack on a US military base in Iraq.

Speaking to reporters earlier in the day, Mr Blinken said officials were "engaged in intense diplomacy pretty much around the clock with a very simple message: All parties must refrain from escalation".

"Escalation is not in anyone's interests. It will only lead to more conflict, more violence, more insecurity," he said.

He added that a ceasefire would "unlock possibilities for more enduring calm not only in Gaza itself, but in other areas where the conflict can spread".

"It is urgent that all parties make the right choices in the hours and days ahead," he said.

Earlier in the day, Mr Biden spoke to King Abdullah II of Jordan about "efforts to de-escalate regional tensions, including through an immediate ceasefire and hostage release deal", a statement from the White House said.

A joint statement from the G7 also expressed "deep concern at the heightened level of tension in the Middle East which threatens to ignite a broader conflict in the region".

"No country or nation stands to gain from a further escalation in the Middle East," it said.

Talks that had brought renewed hope of a ceasefire deal to end the conflict in Gaza have faltered following the events of recent weeks.

On 27 July, 12 children and teenagers were killed in a strike on the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights. Israel accused Hezbollah of carrying out the strike, though Hezbollah denied any involvement.

Days later, Fuad Shukr, a senior Hezbollah military commander, was killed in an Israeli airstrike on a suburb of the Lebanese capital, Beirut. Four others, including two children, were also killed.

Hours later, Haniyeh was assassinated in Iran.

Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) said Haniyeh was killed in a "strong blast" caused by a "short-range projectile" fired from outside a house where he was staying while visiting the capital, Tehran.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said in an interview with Russian state news agency RIA Novosti that the killing would have a "negative impact on the ongoing negotiations".

Israel has not commented on the assassination, but Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said afterwards that Israel had delivered “crushing blows” to Iran’s proxy groups in recent days.

Following the killings in Lebanon and Iran, the IRGC said Israel would receive a "severe punishment at the appropriate time, place and manner", while Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah said the conflict had entered a "new phase".

It is the closest the conflict has come to escalation since April, when Iran fired some 300 drones and missiles at Israel in response to an Israeli strike on an Iranian consulate in Syria that killed a number of senior military commanders.

Flights suspended

On Monday, Jordan asked all airlines planning to land at its airports to carry an additional 45 minutes' worth of fuel, a move thought to be a precaution in case Jordan has to close its airspace in the event of a regional conflict.

German flag carrier Lufthansa has suspended all flights to Tel Aviv, Tehran, and Beirut until and including 12 August.

US airline Delta has also paused flights to Tel Aviv until at least 31 August "due to ongoing conflict in the region".

The UK Foreign Office currently advises against all travel to Lebanon and has urged British citizens in the country to leave.

It also advises against all travel to the northern area of Israel that shares a border with Lebanon.

The conflict in Gaza began following the 7 October attack on Israel by Hamas and other militant groups, which saw around 1,200 people killed and another 251 taken back to Gaza as hostages.

Since the launch of Israel's retaliatory ground invasion in Gaza, more than 39,600 Palestinians have been killed, according to the Hamas-run health ministry.

Hezbollah and Israeli forces have also exchanged near-daily attacks since the conflict began, with hundreds of people killed and thousands displaced on both sides of the Israel-Lebanon border.

Hezbollah and Hamas are both backed by Iran and form part of what Iran calls the "axis of resistance", a loose alliance of militant and political groups across the region that oppose Israel and its key ally, the US.

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Israel’s underground hospital prepares for attack

Deep under the Northern Israeli city of Haifa, there’s a vast underground hospital.

Hundreds and hundreds of beds are lined up within its concrete walls.

There are operating theatres, a maternity ward, and medical supplies stacked up in corners.

But there are no patients – yet.

Rambam Medical Centre excavated this bunker after the Israel-Hezbollah war of 2006.

It’s normally a multi-story car park but it can be converted into a hospital in less than three days.

It’s been on standby since shortly after the Hamas attacks of 7 October and Israel’s subsequent military campaign in Gaza.

The facility has more than 2,000 beds. In the event of a major attack on Israel, it would take in existing patients from the overground medical centre and other nearby hospitals. And there’s room too to treat injured casualties.

As the threat of an all-out regional war looms large following the killing of Hamas’ political leader Ismael Haniyeh and Hezbollah senior commander Fuad Shukr last week, doctors here say they’re prepared for a major attack on Haifa.

"When, when, when is it going to happen? Nobody knows. We talk about it a lot," says Dr Avi Weissman, the medical director of the centre.

People, he adds, are anxious. He and his staff just hope that any escalation of violence doesn’t last long.

Dr Weissman says the threat of an attack preoccupies the minds of staff at the hospital

Not far from the hospital there’s a stunning viewpoint over the city and its thriving port.

Out to sea, ships and tankers glide across the water.

But Haifa’s proximity to Lebanon – and Hezbollah’s rockets – leaves it vulnerable.

Look out over the shipping lanes and you can see the border.

The people who live here are used to emergency drills every few months. School children regularly rehearse what to do in the event of an attack.

One young couple we met in the city centre described living with that threat.

"It’s like a ticking timebomb," says the woman. "Any minute now it could be an alarm. Will I die? Will I have time to go to my family?"

Others are less concerned. In his newly-opened coffee shop, Luai poured a cappuccino and said he had grown accustomed to the situation.

"People are afraid. I’m not afraid," he said.

But in Haifa City Hall, the mayor admits to sleepless nights. Yono Yahav is in his eighties and the weight of responsibility hoods his eyes. He also ran the city during the 2006 war.

"I’m very sad about it," he said. "There is a fork in the Middle East. The leaders are only concerned with destruction, killing, fighting instead of building."

Haifa is a so-called "mixed city"; a place where a significant number of Israeli Arabs live alongside Israeli Jews. Mr Yahav says it’s a peaceful community, which makes the current conflict all the more painful.

Peace, he insists, is still possible.

And international diplomacy continues even as Haifa’s doctors prepare their fortress hospital.

There's still hope, perhaps, they’ll never have to use it.

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Here comes Iran with all its round shaped missiles. Israel must be scared.

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Iranian Guards navy has new highly explosive missiles: Report​


The Iranian Revolutionary Guards said on Friday that its navy has new cruise missiles equipped with highly explosive warheads that are undetectable, state media reported.

The announcement by the country’s most powerful security organization coincides with fears of a full-blown Middle East war after Iran vowed to avenge the assassination in Tehran on July 31 of Ismail Haniyeh, leader of the Palestinian group Hamas.

Iran has blamed Israel, while Israel has neither confirmed nor denied involvement.

“In today’s world you either have to be powerful to survive, or surrender. There’s no middle ground,” said the Guards’ top commander, Major-General Hossein Salami.

“A large number of cruise missiles have been added to the Guards’ navy fleet. These new missiles have capabilities of highly explosive warheads that are undetectable and can cause extensive damage and sink their targets,” a Guards statement said.

The Guards’ navy also said in a statement that various types of long and medium range missile systems, as well as reconnaissance drones and naval radars, have been added to its fleet.

“These systems are among the most up-to-date anti-surface and sub-surface weapons in the Guards’ navy,” it said.

State television displayed several of the weapons on Friday. The navy added that only 210 of the 2,654 systems were shown as it was not possible to unveil other strategic ones for security reasons.

Iran has one of the biggest missile programs in the Middle East, regarding such weapons as an important deterrent and retaliatory force against US and Israel in the event of war.

 

Iran watched for signals of threatened attack​


In the Saudi city of Jeddah on Wednesday, the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), a group of 57 countries, held an emergency meeting at Iran’s request to discuss, among other things, the assassination of the Hamas political leader Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran last week.

The gathering was an opportunity for Iran, whose Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei has vowed “harsh punishment” for the killing, to lay out the reasons for an expected retaliation.

Both Iran and Hamas say the assassination was carried out by Israel, which has not commented but is widely believed to have been behind it.

Baqeri Ali Bagheri Kani, the acting Iranian foreign minister, said his country had “no choice” but to respond, and that this would take place “at the right time and in the appropriate shape”.

Mr Kani also described the possible Iranian reaction as “not only a defence of its own sovereignty and national security” but also a “defence of the stability and security of the entire region”.

Haniyeh was killed in a heavily protected guesthouse run by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), Iran’s elite military force, as he visited Tehran for the inauguration of the country’s new President Masoud Pezeshkian, a humiliating breach of Iranian security.

Since then, every sign, speech, or statement from Iran has been closely watched for an indication of how and when it might respond, amid concerns the retaliation could lead to a wider conflict with Israel.

But Mr Kani offered no clues and, with apparent limited intelligence by the West, it remains unclear what Iran could be planning to do.

In April, a strike on the Iranian diplomatic compound the Syrian capital, Damascus, killed eight IRGC officers, another attack believed to have been carried out by Israel - and another embarrassing setback for Iran.

After days of telegraphing its intentions, Iran launched more than 300 missiles and drones at Israel; almost all of them were intercepted by Israel and a US-led coalition, and the retaliation had no significant impact.

Last week, American officials suggested that this time, Iran might have been preparing a bigger operation, perhaps in attempt to avoid repeating that failure.

Recent media reports, however, suggest that details of how Haniyeh’s killing was carried out – possibly from inside Iran with local assistance instead of a precise air strike from outside – combined with the fact that no Iranians were killed and diplomatic efforts from Western and Arab countries, might have forced Tehran to reconsider its plans.

The Jordanian foreign minister made a rare visit to Iran earlier this week and, on Wednesday, the French President, Emmanuel Macron, spoke to Mr Pezeshkian and, according to the French presidency, urged him to “do everything to avoid a new military escalation”.

Meanwhile, there is also the wait for another expected attack on Israel, from Hezbollah, the Iranian-backed militia and political movement in Lebanon.

The group has vowed to respond to the killing by Israel of senior commander Fuad Shukr, which happened just hours before Haniyeh’s assassination, in its stronghold of Dahiya, in Beirut’s southern suburbs.

Concerns of a major conflict in Lebanon are at their highest since Hezbollah stepped up its strikes against Israel, a day after the Hamas attacks on 7 October.

Most of the violence has been contained to areas along the Lebanon-Israel border, with both Hezbollah and Israel still indicating they are not interested in an all-out war.

So far, the group has mainly targeted Israeli military facilities, although its attacks are increasingly more sophisticated and hitting positions deeper inside the country.

Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, who has promised a “strong” and “effective” response, described Shukr as one of the “strategic minds of the resistance” and said they had spoken on the phone an hour before his assassination.

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Speculation swirls about how Iran might retaliate to Israel's alleged assassination of a Hamas leader in Tehran.
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China supports Iran in defending security, says foreign minister

China supports Iran in defending its "sovereignty, security and national dignity", Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi told Iran's acting foreign minister in a phone call on Sunday, according to a statement by China's foreign ministry.

In the phone call, Wang repeated Beijing's denunciation of the assassination of Hamas chief Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran on July 31, saying the strike had violated Iran's sovereignty and threatened regional stability.

Iran and the Palestinian Islamist group Hamas have accused Israel of carrying out strike that killed Haniyeh.
Israel has not claimed or denied responsibility for the killing, which has fueled concern that the war between Israel and Hamas in the Gaza Strip was turning into a wider Middle East war.

Iran has vowed to "harshly punish" Israel over the assassination.

Wang told Ali Bagheri Kani, Iran's Acting Foreign Minister, that the killing of Haniyeh had "directly undermined the Gaza ceasefire negotiation process and undermined regional peace and stability," China's foreign ministry said.

"China supports Iran in defending its sovereignty, security and national dignity in accordance with the law, and in its efforts to maintain regional peace and stability, and stands ready to maintain close communication with Iran," Wang was quoted as saying.

Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian on Sunday nominated Abbas Araqchi as the country's foreign minister. Araqchi had been Iran's chief negotiator in nuclear talks from 2013 to 2021.



 
Iran may attack Israel within days, says Axios reporter

The Israeli intelligence community believes Iran has decided to attack Israel directly and may do so within days, Axios reporter Barak Ravid said on Sunday, citing two sources.

The attack would be in retaliation for the killing of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran in late July, Ravid added. Israel has not claimed or denied responsibility for the killing.


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Cricket Warrior said:
Iran may attack Israel within days, says Axios reporter

The Israeli intelligence community believes Iran has decided to attack Israel directly and may do so within days, Axios reporter Barak Ravid said on Sunday, citing two sources.

The attack would be in retaliation for the killing of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran in late July, Ravid added. Israel has not claimed or denied responsibility for the killing.


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Iran knows what will happen if they directly attack Israel. If they had the technology knowhow and the weapons to launch a direct attack, they would have done that long ago. They cannot fight Israel in a direct war. That is why they depend on rag tag fighters like Hamas and Hezbollah.

Iran will not attack unless there is strong assurances from China or Russia. Otherwise, it will be suicidal for them.

Another thing to keep in mind is, Iran has vowed for revenge against US and Israel many times in the past. Nothing has happened. It shows the state of their army and leadership.
 
Iran is all talk and no action. They "threaten" to 'avenge" "take revenge" etc etc. Ayotallah meets proclaims and big speeches. And what happens at the end of th day lol ? Nothing zilch nada .. :ROFLMAO:
 
Iran could attack Israel in less than 24 hours, sources say, as Western powers issue Tehran a warning

Western powers have issued a joint statement Monday warning Iran and its allies to "refrain from attacks that would further escalate regional tensions" in the Middle East as they appear to soon be heading toward a breaking point.

Regional sources told Fox News foreign correspondent Trey Yingst on Monday that they are concerned Iran and its proxies could attack Israel within the next 24 hours in retaliation for the killing of Hamas political leader Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran late last month. The message from France, Germany and the United Kingdom – which calls on Israel and Hamas to show "no further delay" in getting back to the negotiating table to hammer out a cease-fire and hostage release deal – also comes as Lebanon is bracing for a wider war and the Islamic State is plotting its re-emergence.

"We are deeply concerned by the heightened tensions in the region, and united in our commitment to de-escalation and regional stability. In this context, and in particular, we call on Iran and its allies to refrain from attacks that would further escalate regional tensions and jeopardize the opportunity to agree a ceasefire and the release of hostages," wrote French President Emmanuel Macron, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and U.K. Prime Minister Keir Starmer.

"They will bear responsibility for actions that jeopardize this opportunity for peace and stability," the leaders added. "No country or nation stands to gain from a further escalation in the Middle East."



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Iran could attack Israel in less than 24 hours, sources say, as Western powers issue Tehran a warning

Regional sources tell Fox News that Iran and its proxies could launch an attack on Israel within the next 24 hours as Western powers are calling on Tehran to show restraint.
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The last time Iran had specifically telegraphed its plans and the allies and everyone was ready to intercept its missiles. It was designed as a show of strength instead of causing any actual damage

This time they actually want to be unpredictable and strike at a moments notice. The iron dome and allies will intercept most of the missiles but there might still be some that get through and cause damage. and Hezbollah will coordinate its attacks at the same time. Question is what will Israel do next
 
US orders submarine to Middle East, carrier strike group to sail faster

United States Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin has ordered a guided missile submarine to the Middle East and the USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier strike group to sail more quickly to the area.

The order on Sunday evening followed a telephone call between Austin and Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Galant amid mounting tensions following the killing of senior members of Hamas and the Iran-backed Hezbollah.

Austin “reiterated the United States’ commitment to take every possible step to defend Israel and noted the strengthening of U.S. military force posture and capabilities throughout the Middle East in light of escalating regional tensions”, the Pentagon said in a statement.

The USS Georgia, a nuclear-powered submarine, was already in the Mediterranean Sea in July, according to a US military post on social media, but it is rare for the US to publicly announce the deployment of a submarine.

The Abraham Lincoln has been in the Asia Pacific, and had already been ordered to the Middle East to replace the USS Theodore Roosevelt aircraft carrier strike group, which is scheduled to begin heading home.

Last week, Austin said it was expected to arrive in the area by the end of the month. The carrier has F-35 and F/A-18 fighter jets on board.

The US military had already said it will deploy additional fighter aircraft and warships to the Middle East as Washington seeks to reinforce Israeli defences from possible attack by Iran.

Ismail Haniyeh, the political leader of Hamas, the group that rules Gaza and is backed by Iran, was assassinated in Tehran on July 31, with Iran blaming Israel and promising to retaliate. Israel has not claimed responsibility.


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US orders submarine to Middle East, carrier strike group to sail faster

The move comes amid concerns of Iran’s response following the killings of senior Hamas and Hezbollah leaders.
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Starmer urges Iran to 'refrain from attacking Israel' in 'rare' phone call with country's president

Sir Keir Starmer has spoken with Iran's president as part of international efforts to de-escalate tensions in the Middle East.

The 30-minute phone conversation with Masoud Pezeshkian followed a joint statement issued by the UK, US, France, and Germany, which called on Iran and its allies to "stand down its ongoing threats of a military attack against Israel".

There are growing fears Iran will retaliate against Israel over the killing of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh in the country, prompting the US to order the deployment of a guided missile submarine to the Middle East.

During his call with Mr Pezeshkian, Sir Keir said he was "deeply concerned by the situation" and called on all parties to "de-escalate and avoid further regional confrontation", according to a readout of the conversation from Downing Street.

The prime minister also said there was a "serious risk of miscalculation and now was the time for calm and careful consideration", calling on Iran to "refrain from attacking Israel" and saying that "war was not in anyone's interests".

The readout continued: "The prime minister underlined his commitment to an immediate ceasefire, the release of all hostages and increasing humanitarian aid to Gaza.

"He added the focus should be on diplomatic negotiations, to achieve those outcomes."

Sir Keir also raised the cases of foreign detainees in Iran, and the two leaders agreed that "constructive dialogue...was in both countries' interests".

"The prime minister added that could only be furthered if Iran ceased its destabilising actions including threats against individuals in the UK and did not further aid Russia's invasion of Ukraine", Downing Street said.


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Starmer urges Iran to 'refrain from attacking Israel' in 'rare' phone call with country's president

The prime minister tells President Masoud Pezeshkian he is "deeply concerned" amid growing fears Iran will retaliate against Israel over the killing of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh.
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Cricket Warrior said:
Starmer urges Iran to 'refrain from attacking Israel' in 'rare' phone call with country's president

Sir Keir Starmer has spoken with Iran's president as part of international efforts to de-escalate tensions in the Middle East.

The 30-minute phone conversation with Masoud Pezeshkian followed a joint statement issued by the UK, US, France, and Germany, which called on Iran and its allies to "stand down its ongoing threats of a military attack against Israel".

There are growing fears Iran will retaliate against Israel over the killing of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh in the country, prompting the US to order the deployment of a guided missile submarine to the Middle East.

During his call with Mr Pezeshkian, Sir Keir said he was "deeply concerned by the situation" and called on all parties to "de-escalate and avoid further regional confrontation", according to a readout of the conversation from Downing Street.

The prime minister also said there was a "serious risk of miscalculation and now was the time for calm and careful consideration", calling on Iran to "refrain from attacking Israel" and saying that "war was not in anyone's interests".

The readout continued: "The prime minister underlined his commitment to an immediate ceasefire, the release of all hostages and increasing humanitarian aid to Gaza.

"He added the focus should be on diplomatic negotiations, to achieve those outcomes."

Sir Keir also raised the cases of foreign detainees in Iran, and the two leaders agreed that "constructive dialogue...was in both countries' interests".

"The prime minister added that could only be furthered if Iran ceased its destabilising actions including threats against individuals in the UK and did not further aid Russia's invasion of Ukraine", Downing Street said.


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Starmer urges Iran to 'refrain from attacking Israel' in 'rare' phone call with country's president

The prime minister tells President Masoud Pezeshkian he is "deeply concerned" amid growing fears Iran will retaliate against Israel over the killing of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh.
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His own country is in chaos and he is talking about peace in other countries.
 
deltexas said:
Will see when Iran retaliates. They just talk big and do nothing.
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Unlike Modi, who hastily initiated an attack on Pakistan under the misguided belief that their radar systems would overlook Indian aircraft, perhaps mistaking them for flying tuk-tuks. Iran demonstrates a far more calculated and strategic approach. Modi’s actions, seemingly designed more for domestic propaganda than military efficacy, stand in stark contrast to Iran’s measured understanding of its limitations and its awareness of Israel’s intent to provoke a broader regional conflict.

As events continue to unfold, the inevitability of war becomes increasingly apparent, whether in a matter of days or years. Nevertheless, Iran’s deliberate efforts to maintain control over the situation as much as possible reflect a level of prudence conspicuously absent in the impulsive, propaganda-driven tactics employed by Modi’s leadership in India.
 
oatmeal said:
The last time Iran had specifically telegraphed its plans and the allies and everyone was ready to intercept its missiles. It was designed as a show of strength instead of causing any actual damage

This time they actually want to be unpredictable and strike at a moments notice. The iron dome and allies will intercept most of the missiles but there might still be some that get through and cause damage. and Hezbollah will coordinate its attacks at the same time. Question is what will Israel do next
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sounds like wishful thinking if you ask me
 
sweep_shot said:
Israel is continuously trying to provoke Iran to go into a war. Iran is showing restraint.
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Iran which has no business funding Hezbollah and hamas thinks it will be immune from retaliation? Talk about entitlement.
 
oatmeal said:
The last time Iran had specifically telegraphed its plans and the allies and everyone was ready to intercept its missiles. It was designed as a show of strength instead of causing any actual damage

This time they actually want to be unpredictable and strike at a moments notice. The iron dome and allies will intercept most of the missiles but there might still be some that get through and cause damage. and Hezbollah will coordinate its attacks at the same time. Question is what will Israel do next
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This time it is different, Iran does not expect symbolic attack after Iran's symbolic attack in Israel. If Iran retaliates then Israel has secured an approval from the establishment in Washington to go to war against Iran, Lebanon and Yemen.
 
Not sure why people gave a laughing emoji.

Is Israel not provoking Iran by assassinating people in different countries (for example, Iranian embassy airstrike in Syria)? Would people be okay with it if China starts to assassinate Indian leaders in different foreign countries?

There are certain international norms which countries tend to respect. Israel have been breaking those continuously.
 
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Not sure why people gave a laughing emoji.

Is Israel not provoking Iran by assassinating people in different countries (for example, Iranian embassy airstrike in Syria)? Would people be okay with it if China starts to assassinate Indian leaders in different foreign countries?
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Is Iran not provoking Israel by funding Hezbollah and Hamas?
sweep_shot said:
There are certain international norms which countries tend to respect. Israel have been breaking those continuously.
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Yeah, like Pak and its non state actors, its support of Al qeada thro' Taliban?
 
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Most Hindutva tend to voice their opinions as if ensnared within an echo chamber, entirely dismissive of context. They project an almost comical level of confidence, seemingly convinced that the rest of the world is woefully ignorant of the facts and reality they believe they alone understand.
 
HalBass9 said:
Most Hindutva tend to voice their opinions as if ensnared within an echo chamber, entirely dismissive of context. They project an almost comical level of confidence, seemingly convinced that the rest of the world is woefully ignorant of the facts and reality they believe they alone understand.
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and most islamists would like to start history in 1948 and focus on israel and condone past and present
 
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Iran has a sad life under the dictatorship.


Wake up, get whooped by Israel, talk about vengeance, let people forget it all, sleep, wake up, get whooped by Israel and so on
 
It is good that Iran is choosing its own time to retaliate. The last time they reacted in a hurry and tragically shot the Ukrainian flight taking off from Iran.

The only muslim country which has the courage to stand against america, but doesn't get support from muslim countries.
 
CricketCartoons said:
It is good that Iran is choosing its own time to retaliate. The last time they reacted in a hurry and tragically shot the Ukrainian flight taking off from Iran.

The only muslim country which has the courage to stand against america, but doesn't get support from muslim countries.
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I think the last disaster was when they fired missiles at Balochistan and in return Pakistanis whooped them back.
 
Bhaijaan said:
I think the last disaster was when they fired missiles at Balochistan and in return Pakistanis whooped them back.
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Pakistan didn't attack Iranian forces, but baloch separatists in Iran. And Pakistan were put in a tight spot, because Iran announced the attack, so they were left with no choice. The pressure and also not to give Afghanistan and India any wrong message, Pakistan had to signal that it can also attack within Iranian borders.
 
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Not sure why people gave a laughing emoji.

Is Israel not provoking Iran by assassinating people in different countries (for example, Iranian embassy airstrike in Syria)? Would people be okay with it if China starts to assassinate Indian leaders in different foreign countries?

There are certain international norms which countries tend to respect. Israel have been breaking those continuously.
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Israel is already being supported by all western nations both in attacking Iran and getting their western allies to warn off any retaliation. It seems they have a free pass to strike anywhere in the world against Muslim targets.

Iran doesn't appear to have the ability to take out key Israeli personnel in the same manner that is done to them. Or if they do, perhaps they are just too wary of inviting in their enemies to launch a wider conflict.
 
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Israel is already being supported by all western nations both in attacking Iran and getting their western allies to warn off any retaliation. It seems they have a free pass to strike anywhere in the world against Muslim targets.

Iran doesn't appear to have the ability to take out key israeli personnel in the same manner that is done to them. Or if they do, perhaps they are just too wary of inviting in their enemies to launch a wider conflict.
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That is true. Good point.

But, Iran can do damage to enemies if things really escalate (it hasn't reached that point yet).
 
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I think negotiations will take place behind the scenes. The phone call from Starmer to the Iranian PM is telling.

If the Iranians concede but a ceasfire is signed this weak then it is for the benefit of the Palestinians.
At the moment, the Israelis are being pressured to sign a ceasefire because of the bombardment on multiple fronts. They are recieving internal pressure politically, pressure from hostage families, pressure from military who don;t want to serve and pressure from international partners. However, Netanyahu and the right wingers don't want to concede.

If Iran attacks they will blame the lack of ceasefire on them.

Too many people have died. Ceasefire should be the priority and 2 state diplomatic solution the next step.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I think negotiations will take place behind the scenes. The phone call from Starmer to the Iranian PM is telling.

If the Iranians concede but a ceasfire is signed this weak then it is for the benefit of the Palestinians.
At the moment, the Israelis are being pressured to sign a ceasefire because of the bombardment on multiple fronts. They are recieving internal pressure politically, pressure from hostage families, pressure from military who don;t want to serve and pressure from international partners. However, Netanyahu and the right wingers don't want to concede.

If Iran attacks they will blame the lack of ceasefire on them.

Too many people have died. Ceasefire should be the priority and 2 state diplomatic solution the next step.
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They are offering Iran a deal with a ceasefire but as you wrote Netanyahu & his extremists want to continue the bloodshed . It’s easy for them to keep bombing from the skies.

What many fail to accept is Netanyahu and his crew are messianic nutjobs. He believes he’s the last PM of Israel before the messiah arrives. Of course he is likely wrong by a mile but he believes it . It’s not only regional , he wants a global war . Iran hopefully doesn’t go all out & somehow Netanyahu is removed . It won’t end the tyranny for Palestinians but will temp stop the most brutal bloodshed in modern history. To kill so many kids & nobody can stop you , is literally satan in living form .

I think Iran will have no choice to attack. Also remember their Islamic foundations strongly include martyrdom. In 12 months the world will be a different place
 
HalBass9 said:
Unlike Modi, who hastily initiated an attack on Pakistan under the misguided belief that their radar systems would overlook Indian aircraft, perhaps mistaking them for flying tuk-tuks. Iran demonstrates a far more calculated and strategic approach. Modi’s actions, seemingly designed more for domestic propaganda than military efficacy, stand in stark contrast to Iran’s measured understanding of its limitations and its awareness of Israel’s intent to provoke a broader regional conflict.

As events continue to unfold, the inevitability of war becomes increasingly apparent, whether in a matter of days or years. Nevertheless, Iran’s deliberate efforts to maintain control over the situation as much as possible reflect a level of prudence conspicuously absent in the impulsive, propaganda-driven tactics employed by Modi’s leadership in India.
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Such wishful thinking. Modi's actions are not the topic of this thread but since you mentioned - the intention there was to show that Ind can attack terror camps in Pak if needed.

On topic - Iran has been saying things like this for such a long time. Iran states it does not want Israel to exist and gives these ballistic statements. It never even once as fa as I remember attacked Israel directly. For being a sworn enemy - all it does is give these empty statements. because it knows the day it attacks Israel full on , it will be battered and its economy will be in ruins for a long long time and it will become another ISIS like state. So all this talk of being prudent , control etc is just nonsense because they know they dare not attack Israel and it would be foolish and political suicide. How many times Iran has said the same thing but never followed through ? Truth is they cant and they are pretty weal. Again all talk and no action .
 
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and most islamists would like to start history in 1948 and focus on israel and condone past and present
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I assume you are using the term 'Islamist' to label Muslims as Islamic extremists.

I am trying to understand why some individuals who adhere to Hindutva ideology become upset and label any Muslim as an 'Islamist' whenever those Muslims highlight the bigotry, immature arguments, or inherent extremism of Hindutva specifically against Muslims.

Is their immediate response to label any Muslim as an 'Islamist' when Hindutva is criticized an implicit admission that Hindutva is, in fact, a far-right extremist ideology, akin to the 'Islamist' label they so readily use?

Let me address your specific reply. As a self-proclaimed atheist, one would expect you to advocate for an immediate end to genocide, ethnic cleansing, and apartheid, particularly when they are motivated by religious prejudice. Instead, you seem to find excuses to perpetuate such atrocities, possibly due to your animosity toward a particular religious group. This raises the question. Is your atheism merely a façade to mask Hindutva bigotry? It would not be unreasonable to assume so, given your repeated attempts to defend such bigotry and your reflexive defensiveness whenever Hindutva extremism is called into question.
 
sweep_shot said:
Israel is continuously trying to provoke Iran to go into a war. Iran is showing restraint.
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Restraint :misbah

They do not have it in them to attack. Iran at least has some brains to think before attacking unlike Hamas. It will not end well for Iran if they attack. They know it very well.
 
HalBass9 said:
I assume you are using the term 'Islamist' to label Muslims as Islamic extremists.

I am trying to understand why some individuals who adhere to Hindutva ideology become upset and label any Muslim as an 'Islamist' whenever those Muslims highlight the bigotry, immature arguments, or inherent extremism of Hindutva specifically against Muslims.

Is their immediate response to label any Muslim as an 'Islamist' when Hindutva is criticized an implicit admission that Hindutva is, in fact, a far-right extremist ideology, akin to the 'Islamist' label they so readily use?

Let me address your specific reply. As a self-proclaimed atheist, one would expect you to advocate for an immediate end to genocide, ethnic cleansing, and apartheid, particularly when they are motivated by religious prejudice. Instead, you seem to find excuses to perpetuate such atrocities, possibly due to your animosity toward a particular religious group. This raises the question. Is your atheism merely a façade to mask Hindutva bigotry? It would not be unreasonable to assume so, given your repeated attempts to defend such bigotry and your reflexive defensiveness whenever Hindutva extremism is called into question.
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Most Hindu extremists parade as secular atheists , it’s easier for them to attack & nothing to defend . It’s strange as Iran sells a lot of oil to India & Israeli extremist Jews in control of Israel see Hindus as idol worshippers who will be wiped out when greater Israel emerges, but they still support them . Some are happy to go down the toilet themselves if it means Muslims are killed , the strangest folk out there .
 
KingKhanWC said:
They are offering Iran a deal with a ceasefire but as you wrote Netanyahu & his extremists want to continue the bloodshed . It’s easy for them to keep bombing from the skies.

What many fail to accept is Netanyahu and his crew are messianic nutjobs. He believes he’s the last PM of Israel before the messiah arrives. Of course he is likely wrong by a mile but he believes it . It’s not only regional , he wants a global war . Iran hopefully doesn’t go all out & somehow Netanyahu is removed . It won’t end the tyranny for Palestinians but will temp stop the most brutal bloodshed in modern history. To kill so many kids & nobody can stop you , is literally satan in living form .

I think Iran will have no choice to attack. Also remember their Islamic foundations strongly include martyrdom. In 12 months the world will be a different place
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Iranians have played a good psychological game by dishing out warnings to the neighbouring Arabs and even some Israelis media I see on TG is in a state of constant worry.

But militarily they don't have the ability to cause damage or withstand a full scale American or Israeli attack.

In the Guardian today there was mention that key Iranian figures have said that if there is no ceasefire they will attack. So they are pushing for a deal.

In the meantime Hamas has launched Missiles on Tel Aviv today from position in Gaza just 2km away from Israeli positions in Gaza.

Apart from killing children Netanyahu has failed on all fronts. Hamas is still active and capable, Hezbollah has displaced 10k Israelis from the North and attacks daily and Israel is a pariah in most countries apart from US.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Most Hindu extremists parade as secular atheists , it’s easier for them to attack & nothing to defend . It’s strange as Iran sells a lot of oil to India & Israeli extremist Jews in control of Israel see Hindus as idol worshippers who will be wiped out when greater Israel emerges, but they still support them . Some are happy to go down the toilet themselves if it means Muslims are killed , the strangest folk out there .
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You dont get it , do you? For Ind , it's Ind first . Ind cant control nor it should interfere in other countries internal matters. Its the relation b/w 2 countries here. Ind needs oil for its citizens at a low price - it will buy it from Iran and Russia. Ind needs weapons and military stuff - it will but it from Israel US Russia France etc. So whatever benefits Ind and its citizens should be the 1st responsibility of the elected gov. Simple. And FWIW , Arafat in 2000 had mentioned that the Kashmir dispute should be sorted out per the Shimla agreement b/w Ind and Pak - so do you agree to that ?? See the dichotomy everywhere. Its geopolitics everywhere..
 
deltexas said:
Such wishful thinking. Modi's actions are not the topic of this thread but since you mentioned - the intention there was to show that Ind can attack terror camps in Pak if needed.

On topic - Iran has been saying things like this for such a long time. Iran states it does not want Israel to exist and gives these ballistic statements. It never even once as fa as I remember attacked Israel directly. For being a sworn enemy - all it does is give these empty statements. because it knows the day it attacks Israel full on , it will be battered and its economy will be in ruins for a long long time and it will become another ISIS like state. So all this talk of being prudent , control etc is just nonsense because they know they dare not attack Israel and it would be foolish and political suicide. How many times Iran has said the same thing but never followed through ? Truth is they cant and they are pretty weal. Again all talk and no action .
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Your post is rife with clichéd talking points designed to boost television ratings for media corporations.
 
HalBass9 said:
Your post is rife with clichéd talking points designed to boost television ratings for media corporations.
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Expected answer. When the truth is a bitter pill to swallow , cliched statements follow. The wiki link Iran Israel relations will show you all the statements that Iran has made over the years that they will "take care: and remove Israel, attack it etc et. Nothing happened. Their main war generals are killed brazenly and all they do is lip service and ballistic statements for the local public. Heck for comparison , if any of Pak top generals were targeted by any rival faction - dont think Pak would be as docile as Iran and that should says something about Irans capabilities
 
HalBass9 said:
I assume you are using the term 'Islamist' to label Muslims as Islamic extremists.

I am trying to understand why some individuals who adhere to Hindutva ideology become upset and label any Muslim as an 'Islamist' whenever those Muslims highlight the bigotry, immature arguments, or inherent extremism of Hindutva specifically against Muslims.

Is their immediate response to label any Muslim as an 'Islamist' when Hindutva is criticized an implicit admission that Hindutva is, in fact, a far-right extremist ideology, akin to the 'Islamist' label they so readily use?

Let me address your specific reply. As a self-proclaimed atheist, one would expect you to advocate for an immediate end to genocide, ethnic cleansing, and apartheid, particularly when they are motivated by religious prejudice. Instead, you seem to find excuses to perpetuate such atrocities, possibly due to your animosity toward a particular religious group. This raises the question. Is your atheism merely a façade to mask Hindutva bigotry? It would not be unreasonable to assume so, given your repeated attempts to defend such bigotry and your reflexive defensiveness whenever Hindutva extremism is called into question.
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As a said earlier the world atheist association should disown him.
 
deltexas said:
You dont get it , do you? For Ind , it's Ind first . Ind cant control nor it should interfere in other countries internal matters. Its the relation b/w 2 countries here. Ind needs oil for its citizens at a low price - it will buy it from Iran and Russia. Ind needs weapons and military stuff - it will but it from Israel US Russia France etc. So whatever benefits Ind and its citizens should be the 1st responsibility of the elected gov. Simple. And FWIW , Arafat in 2000 had mentioned that the Kashmir dispute should be sorted out per the Shimla agreement b/w Ind and Pak - so do you agree to that ?? See the dichotomy everywhere. Its geopolitics everywhere..
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Exactly, india won’t be getting cheap oil if Iran is in full out war mode . The rss fanboys wishing this , clearly are too stupid to understand this . Im
Glad you do
 
HalBass9 said:
I assume you are using the term 'Islamist' to label Muslims as Islamic extremists.

I am trying to understand why some individuals who adhere to Hindutva ideology become upset and label any Muslim as an 'Islamist' whenever those Muslims highlight the bigotry, immature arguments, or inherent extremism of Hindutva specifically against Muslims.

Is their immediate response to label any Muslim as an 'Islamist' when Hindutva is criticized an implicit admission that Hindutva is, in fact, a far-right extremist ideology, akin to the 'Islamist' label they so readily use?

Let me address your specific reply. As a self-proclaimed atheist, one would expect you to advocate for an immediate end to genocide, ethnic cleansing, and apartheid, particularly when they are motivated by religious prejudice. Instead, you seem to find excuses to perpetuate such atrocities, possibly due to your animosity toward a particular religious group. This raises the question. Is your atheism merely a façade to mask Hindutva bigotry? It would not be unreasonable to assume so, given your repeated attempts to defend such bigotry and your reflexive defensiveness whenever Hindutva extremism is called into question.
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It's strange but while it seems ok to use the term Islamist, if anyone posts "zionist" then that term is removed.
 
deltexas said:
Expected answer. When the truth is a bitter pill to swallow , cliched statements follow. The wiki link Iran Israel relations will show you all the statements that Iran has made over the years that they will "take care: and remove Israel, attack it etc et. Nothing happened. Their main war generals are killed brazenly and all they do is lip service and ballistic statements for the local public. Heck for comparison , if any of Pak top generals were targeted by any rival faction - dont think Pak would be as docile as Iran and that should says something about Irans capabilities
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Lol blaming Iran . Israel
Has been threatening & attacking Iran for far longer .
 
deltexas said:
Expected answer. When the truth is a bitter pill to swallow , cliched statements follow. The wiki link Iran Israel relations will show you all the statements that Iran has made over the years that they will "take care: and remove Israel, attack it etc et. Nothing happened. Their main war generals are killed brazenly and all they do is lip service and ballistic statements for the local public. Heck for comparison , if any of Pak top generals were targeted by any rival faction - dont think Pak would be as docile as Iran and that should says something about Irans capabilities
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Your post is filled with clichéd talking points clearly intended to boost television ratings for media corporations, while simultaneously glorify Pakistan's success against Indian aggression.
 
deltexas said:
Such wishful thinking. Modi's actions are not the topic of this thread but since you mentioned - the intention there was to show that Ind can attack terror camps in Pak if needed.

On topic - Iran has been saying things like this for such a long time. Iran states it does not want Israel to exist and gives these ballistic statements. It never even once as fa as I remember attacked Israel directly. For being a sworn enemy - all it does is give these empty statements. because it knows the day it attacks Israel full on , it will be battered and its economy will be in ruins for a long long time and it will become another ISIS like state. So all this talk of being prudent , control etc is just nonsense because they know they dare not attack Israel and it would be foolish and political suicide. How many times Iran has said the same thing but never followed through ? Truth is they cant and they are pretty weal. Again all talk and no action .
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From my perspective, I don't see a clear end goal from either Iran or Israel in this conflict.

What does Israel mean by ending Hamas? Does it intend to completely take over administration of the Gaza strip and run it as a formal apartheid state (it's already an informal one) under military jackboots? Because I can guarantee that unless they eliminate every Palestinian under the age of 18, Hamas under the same or new name will rise again. It's even more unclear what they want to achieve with Hezbollah.

Iran is the same. They really need to s...t or get off the pot. Either concern themselves only with stuff happening within their own borders or...nothing really. At this point, they have no effective options to sustain the fight. If they really want to persecute this conflict in the longer term, they need to build up their capabilities and alliances for both conventional and unconventional warfare through a period of low rhetoric and high behind the scenes activity.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Iran is hijacking this war by getting it's top generals killed by Israel? :unsure:

That is some top level geopolitics I must say!
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Iran knows very well no Sunni nation have guts to fight against Israel, this is why they want to emerge as a leader amongst Muslim nations (hijacking this war from other Muslim nations).. other hand Turkey president said they will attack on Israel… it’s a clearly battle for leadership amongst shia and Muslim nations.

If u are saying Israel killed top Iran officials, but Iran already responded by firing missiles on Israel. Now Iran wants to enter war because Hamas leader killed in Tehran. It’s not easy for Iran to attack on Israel as US will clearly impose more restrictions on Iran and isolate them
 
globetrotter said:
Iran knows very well no Sunni nation have guts to fight against Israel, this is why they want to emerge as a leader amongst Muslim nations (hijacking this war from other Muslim nations).. other hand Turkey president said they will attack on Israel… it’s a clearly battle for leadership amongst shia and Muslim nations.

If u are saying Israel killed top Iran officials, but Iran already responded by firing missiles on Israel. Now Iran wants to enter war because Hamas leader killed in Tehran. It’s not easy for Iran to attack on Israel as US will clearly impose more restrictions on Iran and isolate them
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If getting slapped in the face repeatedly then responding with a lame "please stop or I might hit back" is implementing war then I don't think israel has too much to worry about.
 
Red-Indian said:
From my perspective, I don't see a clear end goal from either Iran or Israel in this conflict.

What does Israel mean by ending Hamas? Does it intend to completely take over administration of the Gaza strip and run it as a formal apartheid state (it's already an informal one) under military jackboots? Because I can guarantee that unless they eliminate every Palestinian under the age of 18, Hamas under the same or new name will rise again. It's even more unclear what they want to achieve with Hezbollah.

Iran is the same. They really need to s...t or get off the pot. Either concern themselves only with stuff happening within their own borders or...nothing really. At this point, they have no effective options to sustain the fight. If they really want to persecute this conflict in the longer term, they need to build up their capabilities and alliances for both conventional and unconventional warfare through a period of low rhetoric and high behind the scenes activity.
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The people of Palestine continue to resist and endure in their struggle against apartheid, occupation, and now, the horrors of genocide and ethnic cleansing.

Iran and Lebanon are dragged into it as Israel wish to escalate it to a regional conflict.
 
HalBass9 said:
The people of Palestine continue to resist and endure in their struggle against apartheid, occupation, and now, the horrors of genocide and ethnic cleansing.

Iran and Lebanon are dragged into it as Israel wish to escalate it to a regional conflict.
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That's very noble but they need to live a day-to-day life. It's in everybody's interest to take a deep breath here.

Israel to stop this near-genocidal violence and war that there's no winning condition to
Palestinians to accept whatever humiliating terms are imposed by a peace agreement - surrender all remaining hostages, no independent government, frequent Israeli army inspections, constant surveillance
Iran and Hezbollah to butt out and stop making things worse

A lasting solution is beyond my comprehension but will probably need a major power like China to step in on behalf of the Palestinians and advocate for them if it's interested in acting as a counterweight to the US.

For now all we can hope for is an end to the slaughter.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
If getting slapped in the face repeatedly then responding with a lame "please stop or I might hit back" is implementing war then I don't think israel has too much to worry about.
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This is a very simplistic understanding of the situation.
 

Only Gaza ceasefire will delay retaliation, say Iranian officials​


One of the sources, a senior Iranian security official, said Iran, along with allies such as Hezbollah, would launch a direct attack if the Gaza talks fail or it perceives Israel is dragging out negotiations. The sources did not say how long Iran would allow for talks to progress before responding.

With an increased risk of a broader Middle East war after the killings of Haniyeh and Hezbollah commander Fuad Shukr, Iran has been involved in intense dialogue with Western countries and the United States in recent days on ways to calibrate retaliation, said the sources, who all spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the matter.
In comments published on Tuesday, the U.S. ambassador to Turkey confirmed Washington was asking allies to help convince Iran to de-escalate tensions. Three regional government sources described conversations with Tehran to avoid escalation ahead of the Gaza ceasefire talks, due to begin on Thursday in either Egypt or Qatar.

"We hope our response will be timed and executed in a way that does not harm a potential ceasefire," Iran's mission to the U.N. said on Friday in a statement. Iran's foreign ministry on Tuesday said calls to exercise restraint "contradict principles of international law."

Iran's foreign ministry and its Revolutionary Guards Corps did not immediately respond to questions for this story. The Israeli Prime Minister's Office and the U.S. State Department did not respond to questions. "Something could happen as soon as this week by Iran and its proxies... That is a U.S. assessment as well as an Israel assessment," White House spokesperson John Kirby told reporters on Monday.

"If something does happen this week, the timing of it could certainly well have an impact on these talks we want to do on Thursday," he added. At the weekend, Hamas cast doubt on whether talks would go ahead. Israel and Hamas have held several rounds of talks in recent months without agreeing a final ceasefire.

In Israel, many observers believe a response is imminent after Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said Iran would "harshly punish" Israel for the strike in Tehran.

Iran's regional policy is set by the elite Revolutionary Guards, who answer only to Khamenei, the country's top authority. Iran's relatively moderate new president Masoud Pezeshkian has repeatedly reaffirmed Iran's anti-Israel stance and its support for resistance movements across the region since taking office last month.

Meir Litvak, a senior researcher at Tel Aviv University's Alliance Center for Iranian Studies, said he thought Iran would put its needs before helping its ally Hamas but that Iran also wanted to avoid a full-scale war.

"The Iranians never subordinated their strategy and policies to the needs of their proxies or protégées,” Litvak said. “An attack is likely and almost inevitable but I don't know the scale and the timing.” Iran-based analyst Saeed Laylaz said the Islamic Republic's leaders were now keen to work towards a ceasefire in Gaza, "to obtain incentives, avoid an all-out war and strengthen its position in the region."

Laylaz said Iran had not previously been involved in the Gaza peace process but was now ready to play "a key role."
Iran, two of the sources said, was considering sending a representative to the ceasefire talks, in what would be a first since the war started in Gaza.

The representative would not directly attend the meetings but would engage in behind-the-scenes discussions "to maintain a line of diplomatic communication" with the United States while negotiations proceed. Officials in Washington, Qatar and Egypt did not immediately respond to questions about whether Iran would play an indirect role in talks.

Two senior sources close to Lebanon's Hezbollah said Tehran would give the negotiations a chance but would not give up its intentions to retaliate.

A ceasefire in Gaza would give Iran cover for a smaller "symbolic" response, one of the sources said.

Israel launched its assault on Gaza after Hamas fighters stormed into southern Israel on Oct. 7, killing 1,200 people, mostly civilians, and capturing more than 250 hostages, according to Israeli tallies. Since then, nearly 40,000 Palestinians have been killed in the Israeli offensive in Gaza, according to the health ministry.

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Iran has not publicly indicated what would be the target of an eventual response to the Haniyeh assassination. On April 13, two weeks after two Iranian generals were killed in a strike on Tehran's embassy in Syria, Iran unleashed a barrage of hundreds of drones, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles towards Israel, damaging two airbases. Almost all of the weapons were shot down before they reached their targets.

"Iran wants its response to be much more effective than the April 13 attack," said Farzin Nadimi, senior fellow with the Washington Institute for Near East policy."

Nadimi said such a response would require "a lot of preparation and coordination" especially if it involved Iran's network of allied armed groups opposing Israel and the United States across the Middle East, with Hezbollah the senior member of the so-called "Axis of Resistance," that along with Iraqi militias and Yemen's Houthis have harried Israel since Oct. 7.

Two of the Iranian sources said Iran would support Hezbollah and other allies if they launched their own responses to the killing of Haniyeh and Hezbollah's top military commander, Fuad Shukr, who died in a strike in Beirut the day before Haniyeh was killed in Tehran.

Source: Reuters
 
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