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Top Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh killed in Iran

BouncerGuy said:
Saudis will never support Iran not because Iran is an extremist state but because Saudis generally do not like Iran because of their personal religious conflict.

IF IRAN is a terrorist state then Israel and USA are their leaders.
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I was talking about Hamas which is a reckognized terrorist entity.

Let’s be mature and here and refrain from calling nations as terrorist organizations. That debate never goes anywhere.
 
Some people won't even say Hamas a terrorist organization. It does not matter if USA or Israel says so then it becomes a reality.

Hamas is fighting for their land, if people believe this thing then fine. If they are using it for some personal gains then yeah, you can call anybody a terrorist who is using weapons etc against another entity.
 
HalBass9 said:
The elected ruler of India is the product and follower of Hindutva.

I am yet to meet a Pakistani who support ISIS.
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Thats because no Pakistanis or sane muslims support ISIS or Al Qaeda. Its a coping strategy.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
US officials say anticipated Iranian retaliation could occur in the coming days

The US decision to send warships and fighter squadron to the Middle East will mark perhaps the largest movement of US forces to the region since the early days of the Gaza war, when the Pentagon sent two carrier strike groups toward the Middle East in a very public warning to regional militant groups not to expand the fighting.

The region is bracing for an Iranian retaliation after the country’s supreme leader vowed to attack Israel for the assassination of Hamas political leader Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran earlier this week. Israel has not commented on the killing.

US officials said the anticipated Iranian attack could occur in the coming days, and the US is closely watching the region for any indications of how it might play out. Officials said the attack may be similar to the barrage of ballistic missiles and drones Iran launched against Israel in April, but it could also be larger and more complex, coordinated with Iranian proxies in the region.

Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah hinted that a coordinated attack on Israel could be in the works after Israel assassinated one of the Iran-backed group’s top commanders in Beirut less than 24 hours before the killing of Haniyeh.


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USA is okay with Israel striking inside Iran but if Iran strikes inside Israel, that's a redline for them.

Blatant hypocrisy.
 
Bhaijaan said:
I was talking about Hamas which is a reckognized terrorist entity.

Let’s be mature and here and refrain from calling nations as terrorist organizations. That debate never goes anywhere.
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Hamas in the eyes of their people are freedom fighters. If not for them, this blatant Genocide would have no opposition.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Hamas in the eyes of their people are freedom fighters. If not for them, this blatant Genocide would have no opposition.
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They are a designated terrorist organization which was foolish and careless enough to bring all this suffering upon Palestinians by attacking Israel. Congratulations at what Hamas achieved.

There’s a reason why we the people of the developed free world are fed up with Islamists today. They have brought it upon themselves by siding with a rogue terrorist organization.
 
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Did Israel take responsibility of the attack?

Striking in heart of Tehran isn’t easy, practically speaking the probability of it being an inside job is higher than it being an attack by Israel.
But if anyone can carry out such an attack it is Israel.

Let’s hope better sense prevails and we do not see a full blown war. The last thing the world needs is another full scale war.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Some people won't even say Hamas a terrorist organization. It does not matter if USA or Israel says so then it becomes a reality.

Hamas is fighting for their land, if people believe this thing then fine. If they are using it for some personal gains then yeah, you can call anybody a terrorist who is using weapons etc against another entity.
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Even Modi doesn't have the guys to say it lol
 
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Bhaijaan said:
They are a designated terrorist organization which was foolish and careless enough to bring all this suffering upon Palestinians by attacking Israel. Congratulations at what Hamas achieved.

There’s a reason why we the people of the developed free world are fed up with Islamists today. They have brought it upon themselves by siding with a rogue terrorist organization.
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DEVELOPED ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

So I guess your another ignorant who doesn't see the sufferings of 76 years before October the 7th
 
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big_gamer007 said:
Did Israel take responsibility of the attack?

Striking in heart of Tehran isn’t easy, practically speaking the probability of it being an inside job is higher than it being an attack by Israel.
But if anyone can carry out such an attack it is Israel.

Let’s hope better sense prevails and we do not see a full blown war. The last thing the world needs is another full scale war.
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This will scale on to a all out war Thanks to act of Terrorism by MOSAD.
 
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DeadlyVenom said:
Even Modi doesn't have the guys to say it lol while his acolytes jump up and down on forums asking others to call them terrorists.
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But Hamas IS a terrorist organization. Terrorism is a mean. The end may be something else.

If civilians are your target you are a terrorist. Taliban were terrorists (means) AND freedom fighters(end). They used terrorism as a tool as civilians, not just US troops were their targets. They liberated Afghanistan using terrorism.
 
Reading that it was iranians who helped Mossad. Iran should execute them. There is something satisfying to see justice meted out to traitors.
 
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CricketCartoons said:
But Hamas IS a terrorist organization. Terrorism is a mean. The end may be something else.

If civilians are your target you are a terrorist. Taliban were terrorists (means) AND freedom fighters(end). They used terrorism as a tool as civilians, not just US troops were their targets. They liberated Afghanistan using terrorism.
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That is your opinion and the opinion of the US and UK but not the opinion of your government not most of the world.

Your minister was happily mingling with Haniyeh and posing for pictures alongside him.
 
CricketCartoons said:
But Hamas IS a terrorist organization. Terrorism is a mean. The end may be something else.

If civilians are your target you are a terrorist. Taliban were terrorists (means) AND freedom fighters(end). They used terrorism as a tool as civilians, not just US troops were their targets. They liberated Afghanistan using terrorism.
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What would you say about IDF?
 
DeadlyVenom said:
That is your opinion and the opinion of the US and UK but not the opinion of your government not most of the world.

Your minister was happily mingling with Haniyeh and posing for pictures alongside him.
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What is your definition of terrorism then? My definition is that it targets civilians.

Mingling with haniyeh is not wrong.
 
CricketCartoons said:
What is your definition of terrorism then? My definition is that it targets civilians.

Mingling with haniyeh is not wrong.
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I was making the point around the 'recognition' aspect that one Indian poster brought up not the definition. I have asked Joshillabhai this in the past why BJP doesn't categorise Hamas as a terrorist despite the clamour from many Indians that they are a recognised group. He assured me it would happen after the election.

I agree with your definition any group be it Hamas or Indian army that targets civilians is committing an act of terrorism.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I was making the point around the 'recognition' aspect that one Indian poster brought up not the definition. I have asked Joshillabhai this in the past why BJP doesn't categorise Hamas as a terrorist despite the clamour from many Indians that they are a recognised group. He assured me it would happen after the election.

I agree with your definition any group be it Hamas or Indian army that targets civilians is committing an act of terrorism.
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India has to maintain good relations with both Iran and Israel. Don't know how they been managing it.

BJP doesn't say or do many things domestically also despite clamour from BJP supporters.
 
CricketCartoons said:
India has to maintain good relations with both Iran and Israel. Don't know how they been managing it.

BJP doesn't say or do many things domestically also despite clamour from BJP supporters.
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Now the time has come, India has to chose one Iran or Israel. Because things are not normal as before.
 
CricketCartoons said:
India has to maintain good relations with both Iran and Israel. Don't know how they been managing it.

BJP doesn't say or do many things domestically also despite clamour from BJP supporters.
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India has a good policy of foaming at the mouth sometimes and then looking away sheepishly the other time.

I respect them for it.
 
Biden tells Netanyahu to stop escalation in Middle East — Axios

The sources note that Biden and his top aides "are deeply frustrated by the fallout" from the assassination of Hamas Political Bureau chief Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran and the elimination of Hezbollah top military commander Fuad Shukr in Beirut

WASHINGTON, August 2. /TASS/. US President Joe Biden has demanded that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stop the escalation of tensions in the Middle East, the Axios news portal reported, citing sources.

According to the sources, Biden "privately demanded in a ‘tough’ call Thursday" that Netanyahu "stop escalating tensions in the region and move immediately toward a Gaza hostage and ceasefire deal" with the radical Palestinian movement Hamas. The sources note that Biden and his top aides "are deeply frustrated by the fallout" from the assassination of Hamas Political Bureau chief Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran and the elimination of Hezbollah top military commander Fuad Shukr in Beirut.

The news outlet stressed that the US officials "don’t mourn" these deaths but "feel that Netanyahu kept Biden in the dark over his plans to carry out the assassinations." According to the sources, in a phone conversation, Biden expressed his displeasure with Israel’s current policy course.

"Biden then told Netanyahu the US will help Israel defeat an Iranian attack, but after that he expects no more escalation from the Israeli side and immediate movement toward a hostage deal," Axios said. According to the news portal, "Biden also warned Netanyahu that if he escalates again, he shouldn't count on the US to bail him out."

Earlier, Lieutenant General Mohammad Bagheri, chief of staff of Iran’s Armed Forces, asserted that Tehran and its regional allies were determined to take revenge on Israel for the assassination of Haniyeh.

Meanwhile, the New York Times reported that the United States was preparing to send additional combat aircraft to the Middle East amid rising tensions in the region. According to the newspaper, the plan stems from the possibility of an Iranian strike on Israel following the assassination of Haniyeh.

On July 31, Hamas said that Haniyeh had been killed in an Israeli strike targeting the residence he was staying at in Tehran, where he had arrived for the inauguration of the country's president-elect, Masoud Pezeshkian. The Al Hadath TV channel reported that Haniyeh was killed in a direct missile strike. Al Mayadeen said, citing a source, that the missile was launched "from another country, not "from the territory of Iran." Deputy Chairman of the Hamas Political Bureau Mousa Abu Marzook has warned that Haniyeh’s assassination will not go unanswered.

A source in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) told TASS that the Israeli military is not commenting on Haniyeh's death. The Jerusalem Post said that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office had advised its ministers not to comment on this issue. The newspaper added that similar recommendations were issued for members of parliament.

Iranian Acting Foreign Minister Ali Bagheri Kani in a phone conversation with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov noted Tehran’s legitimate right to retaliate for the assassination.

SOURCE: https://tass.com/world/1824793
 
Ismail Haniyeh’s martyrdom: Pakistan ‘fully supports’ Iran’s call for OIC extraordinary meeting

Foreign Minister Ishaq Dar on Saturday said that Pakistan fully supported Iran’s call for an “extraordinary meeting” of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) after the killing of Hamas political chief Ismail Haniyeh in a strike in Tehran, the Foreign Office (FO) said in a press release.

Acting Foreign Minister of Iran Ali Bagheri Kani telephoned Deputy Prime Minister/Foreign Minister Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar on Saturday and shared the Iranian nation’s and leadership’s deep anguish on the assassination of Ismail Haniyeh, Pakistan’s foreign ministry said.

According to the foreign ministry, the deputy prime minister conveyed similar sentiments and Pakistan’s condemnation of the developments in Gaza and the assassination of Ismail Haniyeh “in the strongest possible terms”.

The Iranian counterpart also requested Dar to participate in the extraordinary meeting of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) being convened at the foreign ministers level.

“The deputy prime minister fully supported this call and confirmed that Pakistan will actively participate in the important meeting,” the FO said.

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Ismail Haniyeh's martyrdom: Pakistan ‘fully supports’ Iran’s call for OIC extraordinary meeting

Foreign Minister Ishaq Dar on Saturday said that Pakistan fully supported Iran’s call for an “extraordinary meeting” of the Organisation of Islamic
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sweep_shot said:
Israel attacks civilians too. Do you consider Israel to be a terrorist state (as per your definition)?
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As per my definition? What is your definition of terrorism?

I thought it was universal that those who target civilians are terrorists. Didn't know there are exceptions to that rule.
 
CricketCartoons said:
As per my definition? What is your definition of terrorism?

I thought it was universal that those who target civilians are terrorists. Didn't know there are exceptions to that rule.
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Israel targets civilians too. So, is Israel a terrorist state also (as per your definition)?

Yes or no question.

My definition of terrorism: Anyone who harms innocent civilians is a terrorist.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
How can one being occupied in their own land with zero human rights, face catastrophic brutality and be Terrorists.
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Let's do a little quiz. I'll give you a set of groups. You say yes or no to terrorists

IDF
Hamas
JKLF
Balochistan Liberation Army
VHP
EDF
Taliban

I'll give my answers right after yours if you're willing
 
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sweep_shot said:
Israel targets civilians too. So, is Israel a terrorist state also (as per your definition)?

Yes or no question.

My definition of terrorism: Anyone who harms innocent civilians is a terrorist.
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So is Hamas does terrorism or not, as per your definition?
 
CricketCartoons said:
So is Hamas does terrorism or not, as per your definition?
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You didn't answer my question. Do that first.

Any group that harms innocent people is a terrorist group. I have been clear in my definition. Whether it is IDF, Hamas, or another group, my definition is constant.
 
Red-Indian said:
Let's do a little quiz. I'll give you a set of groups. You say yes or no to terrorists

IDF
Hamas
JKLF
Balochistan Liberation Army
VHP
EDF
Taliban


I'll give my answers right after yours if you're willing
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VHP? Which civilians or even state forces did they kill?
 
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CricketCartoons said:
I promise I will answer right after you do. Because I suspect you are not going to answer.
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Since I asked you first, you should answer it first.

Let me repeat again. Any group that harms innocent people is a terrorist group. I have been clear in my definition. Whether it is IDF, Hamas, or another group, my definition is constant.
 
sweep_shot said:
Since I asked you first, you should answer it first.

Let me repeat again. Any group that harms innocent people is a terrorist group. I have been clear in my definition. Whether it is IDF, Hamas, or another group, my definition is constant.
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I already said IDF targets civilians too. Already explained what is terrorism, that anyone who targets civilians.

So what is left to imagination anymore?
 
sweep_shot said:
Far-right means extremist.

I have given definition of terrorism twice. Anyone who harms or intimidates innocent people is a terrorist.

Does VHP intimidate/harm innocent people? I believe so based on the following two links:

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Vishva Hindu Parishad - Wikipedia

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Vishva Hindu Parishad - Wikipedia

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Far left also means extremist.

Extremism doesn't mean terrorism.

You can be an extreme muslim. It means you adhere every rule of your beautiful religion. It doesn't make you terrorist.

Terrorist is ONLY when you kill civilians.
 
CricketCartoons said:
Far left also means extremist.

Extremism doesn't mean terrorism.

You can be an extreme muslim. It means you adhere every rule of your beautiful religion. It doesn't make you terrorist.

Terrorist is ONLY when you kill civilians.
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I agree both far-left and far-right are extremists. It is why I oppose both.

Extremism is a precursor to terrorism. Extremism always has a high chance of turning into terrorism.
 
sweep_shot said:
Far-right means extremist.

I have given definition of terrorism twice. Anyone who harms or intimidates innocent people is a terrorist.

Does VHP intimidate/harm innocent people? I believe so based on the following two links:
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Now the definition has an amendment to include intimidation?
 
sweep_shot said:
I agree both far-left and far-right are extremists.

Extremism is a precursor to terrorism. Extremism always has a high chance of turning into terrorism.
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Are you saying a muslim who prays five times a day, gives Zakat, goes to Hajj, doesn't backbite, doesn't spread rumours, doesn't mock others religions etc and does everything Islam has rules about, is a precursor to an terrorist?
 
CricketCartoons said:
Are you saying a muslim who prays five times a day, gives Zakat, goes to Hajj, doesn't backbite, doesn't spread rumours, doesn't mock others religions etc and does everything Islam has rules about, is a precursor to an terrorist?
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Any Muslim who prays 5 times a day, gives zakat, goes to Hajj etc. is not an extremist though. Does that seem like extremism to you?
 
sweep_shot said:
Any Muslim who prays 5 times a day, gives zakat, goes to Hajj etc. is not an extremist though. Does that seem like extremism to you?
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He is extremist because he follows EVERYTHING Islam says. Extreme love for Allah and extreme submission to His word that is Quran.
 
CricketCartoons said:
Have you stopped beating your wife? Yes or no.

Don't take it as a personal question. Just showing what a brain dead question you asked.
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Since you didn't answer my question, I wouldn't engage with you further on this topic.

It seems like you have no issue with Israel bombing innocent Palestinian women and children.
 
CricketCartoons said:
It seems you enjoy innocents being killed.
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Since you are losing your composure, let me make two final points before I leave the thread for now:

1) Killing innocent people is terrorism. Whether it is done by IDF, Hamas, or another group, that definition is constant.

2) Following Islam 100% is not extremism like you were insinuating. I was actually shocked you wrote that (post #294). Extremism would be trying to force it onto someone.

I answered your question but it seems like you don't have the courage to answer mine.
 
RexRex said:
I do recall you saying once that the punishment for apostasy was the death penalty. Is that still your view ?
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This is for Islamic ruler/judges to decide. Laymen don't decide this.

Not sure how this is relevant to the thread.
 
sweep_shot said:
Since you are losing your composure, let me make two final points before I leave the thread for now:

1) Killing innocent people is terrorism. Whether it is done by IDF, Hamas, or another group, that definition is constant.

2) Following Islam 100% is not extremism like you were insinuating. I was actually shocked you wrote that (post #294). Extremism would be trying to force it onto someone.

I answered your question but it seems like you don't have the courage to answer mine.
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My answer is same as yours. (Killing innocent people is terrorism. Whether it is done by IDF, Hamas, or another group, that definition is constant.).

You seem to attach negative meaning to extreme. If you love someone to the extreme? say you love kids to the extreme. Is that a precursor to terrorism?

A terrorist can be someone who believes in some extremist ideology.
But someone who is extreme in something is not necessarily a terrorism or even close.

It is not a bidirectional relation. eg when it rains, the ground is wet. But because the ground is wet, it doesn't mean it rained.
 

Iran says Haniyeh killed by short-range projectile​


Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) has accused Israel of killing Hamas political chief Ismail Haniyeh using a "short-range projectile" fired from outside his residence in Tehran.

The paramilitary organisation said the projectile weighed about 7kg (16lbs) and caused a "strong blast", killing Haniyeh and his bodyguard. The Hamas leader had been visiting the Iranian capital for the inauguration of President Massoud Pezeshkian.

Officials also accused the US of supporting in the operation. Israel has not commented on Haniyeh's death.

The IRGC account is at odds with reports in Western media, which have suggested that explosives were planted in Haniyeh's Tehran residence by Israeli operatives.

The failures surrounding Haniyeh's death, especially on a day marked by intense security, have caused embarrassment for Iran and the IRGC.

Dozens of IRGC officers have been arrested or dismissed in the days since Haniyeh's death, the New York Times reported on Saturday.

The paper said the organisation's intelligence agency had taken over the investigation. Staff members at Haniyeh's guesthouse have been interrogated and their phones and other electronics have been seized, it added.

Meanwhile, the security details of Iranian politicians have been overhauled. Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei led prayers for Haniyeh on Thursday, but was whisked away soon after the ceremony by his security detail.

The IRGC's statement on Saturday came after Britain's Daily Telegraph said Haniyeh was killed by bombs planted in his room by agents of Israel's Mossad intelligence agency

Citing Iranian officials, the paper said two Mossad agents had entered the guesthouse and planted explosives in three rooms. The Iranians, who had viewed CCTV footage of the operatives, said the two subsequently left the country before detonating the bombs from outside Iran.

The New York Times also reported that Haniyeh was killed by explosives detonated in his room, saying they could have been planted up to two months earlier. The BBC has not been able to verify these claims.

But Hamas officials told the BBC earlier this week that Haniyeh had stayed at the same guesthouse before. He had made up to 15 visits to Iran since becoming the head of the political bureau in 2017.

The papers' reports would represent an even bigger failure for the IRGC, who have long controlled internal security in the country. Experts also said it would highlight the degree to which Mossad can operate with impunity in Iran.

Regardless of the manner of Haniyeh's death, both Iran and Hamas have vowed to retaliate.

The IRGC said on Saturday that Israel would receive "a severe punishment at the appropriate time, place and manner".

After an Israeli operation killed IRGC Brig Gen Mohammad Reza Zahedi in Damascus earlier this year, Iran fired 170 drones, 30 cruise missiles and at least 110 ballistic missiles towards Israel.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has warned Israelis that "challenging days lie ahead... We have heard threats from all sides. We are prepared for any scenario".

His ministers were sent home this weekend with satellite phones in case of an attack on the country's communication infrastructure.

Despite the government's warnings, the mood appeared relaxed on Tel Aviv's seafront, with bronzed bodies lazing under beach umbrellas.

But few are in any doubt that the Middle East stands perilously close to full-scale war.

Israel is on high alert and several international airlines have suspended flights to the country.

The US has also deployed additional warships and fighter jets to the Middle East to help defend Israel from possible attacks by Iran and its proxies, the Pentagon said.

UK Foreign Secretary David Lammy has warned that the risk that "the situation on the ground could deteriorate rapidly is rising".

Meanwhile, Israel said an airstrike it conducted in the occupied West Bank killed a Hamas commander and four senior Palestinian Islamic Jihad fighters on Saturday.

The Israeli military said the airstrike hit a vehicle as the men were on the way to carry out an attack.

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Iran says Haniyeh killed by short-range projectile

Iran provides its account of the killing of the Hamas leader in Tehran, blaming Israel.
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Red-Indian said:
Let's do a little quiz. I'll give you a set of groups. You say yes or no to terrorists

IDF
Hamas
JKLF
Balochistan Liberation Army
VHP
EDF
Taliban

I'll give my answers right after yours if you're willing
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IDF - Terrorists. Their history and actions suggests.

Hamas - freedom fighters

JKLF -- Nationilsts

Balochistan LA - confused separatists

Vhp - extremist group

EDF -- far right football hooligans bordering on EXTREMISM

Taliban - hardline muslims.
 
FearlessRoar said:
Officials also accused the US of supporting in the operation. Israel has not commented on Haniyeh's death.
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Wouldn't be surprised if USA was involved.

Can you imagine if another country did that in USA? Americans would probably go nuts and declare a war.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
IDF - Terrorists. Their history and actions suggests.

Hamas - freedom fighters

JKLF -- Nationilsts

Balochistan LA - confused separatists

Vhp - extremist group

EDF -- far right football hooligans bordering on EXTREMISM

Taliban - hardline muslims.
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Thanks.

I would say the VHP and EDF are extremists. I would also say all of the others(JKLF, IDF, Hamas, Taliban) have committed enough terrorist acts to be called terrorists.

For some reason the moderators removed my question on the Indian and Pakistani armies in their respective separatist states. I think they have both committed terrorist acts in this limited context.

I would invite you to look at your list again and maybe you'll see that your lens seems pretty coloured by religion.
 
Red-Indian said:
Thanks.

I would say the VHP and EDF are extremists. I would also say all of the others(JKLF, IDF, Hamas, Taliban) have committed enough terrorist acts to be called terrorists.

For some reason the moderators removed my question on the Indian and Pakistani armies in their respective separatist states. I think they have both committed terrorist acts in this limited context.

I would invite you to look at your list again and maybe you'll see that your lens seems pretty coloured by religion.
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Not going to change anything from my list to suit your narrative. Buddy
 
Iran should get defense weapons from Russia. Time to get Russian surface-to-air missiles.
 
sweep_shot said:
Iran should get defense weapons from Russia. Time to get Russian surface-to-air missiles.
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Russia will give them money, but no chance of getting any missiles. Russia itself is using iranian drones and North Korean ammunition.

They have also very high need of missiles themselves for the Ukraine war
 
Red-Indian said:
Thanks.

I would say the VHP and EDF are extremists. I would also say all of the others(JKLF, IDF, Hamas, Taliban) have committed enough terrorist acts to be called terrorists.

For some reason the moderators removed my question on the Indian and Pakistani armies in their respective separatist states. I think they have both committed terrorist acts in this limited context.

I would invite you to look at your list again and maybe you'll see that your lens seems pretty coloured by religion.
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is it getting thro' to you yet?

You think there is something to be salvaged with you proposals?

LMAO
 
oatmeal said:
Russia will give them money, but no chance of getting any missiles. Russia itself is using iranian drones and North Korean ammunition.

They have also very high need of missiles themselves for the Ukraine war
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Looks like Russia is sending in weapons (as per news below). Check below:


As per the news, Iran deployed Russia's Murmansk-BN jamming communication system in many locations.
 
rpant_gabba said:
is it getting thro' to you yet?

You think there is something to be salvaged with you proposals?

LMAO
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People like him don't get this simple idea, that when you are being neutral, you are already conceding ground to the biased person. There is no negotiation to win. They have already made concessions which will be selectively used by the biased person in his favour, and the other side is not going to give you an inch.

You don't sit on the center of the see saw. You sit as far as the other person is sitting. That is why these neutrals lose to the biased.
 
sweep_shot said:
Looks like Russia is sending in weapons (as per news below). Check below:


As per the news, Iran deployed Russia's Murmansk-BN jamming communication system in many locations.
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The main russian weapons that Iran dont have are the most advanced missile systems that might be capable of evading the Iron Dome.

But I doubt those can easily be transported because they need targeting technology and launch systems to be transferred too. Its not like ammo which is standardized and can be transferred easily
 
rpant_gabba said:
is it getting thro' to you yet?

You think there is something to be salvaged with you proposals?

LMAO
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What proposals? I haven't made any...am not smart enough.

I'm fully aware that religious folks are deeply biased...I deal with them day in-day out.

And of course stuff can be salvaged. I've given this example before but my grandparents lived in an Agraharam where it was apparently impermissibly for the shadow of an untouchable to fall. I am a beef eating apostate. Things change, people open up...if not in this generation them the next. All you can do is keep talking.
 
Red-Indian said:
What proposals? I haven't made any...am not smart enough.

I'm fully aware that religious folks are deeply biased...I deal with them day in-day out.

And of course stuff can be salvaged. I've given this example before but my grandparents lived in an Agraharam where it was apparently impermissibly for the shadow of an untouchable to fall. I am a beef eating apostate. Things change, people open up...if not in this generation them the next. All you can do is keep talking.
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Yes, things can change.

Every indication is talking to them has not helped things one bit and has actually given them leverage.

Not talking has actually worked better from that change perspective.

The change might accelerate if they are properly ignored for a decade or so.
 
FearlessRoar said:
Now the time has come, India has to chose one Iran or Israel. Because things are not normal as before.
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India doesn’t have to choose that’s your fantasy, Pakistan chooses sides. India chooses business.

Indian state is aware regarding Indian poverty, Pakistani Establishment is oblivious to theirs.
 

Iran Arrests Dozens in Search for Haniyeh Killing Suspects​


Iran has arrested more than two dozen people, including senior intelligence officers, military officials and staff workers at a military-run guesthouse in Tehran after the assassination of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh, according to two Iranians familiar with the investigation.

Haniyeh was visiting Tehran for the inauguration of Iran’s new president and staying at a guesthouse in northern Tehran when he was killed.

“The fervor of the response to the killing of Haniyeh underscores what a devastating security failure this was for Iran’s leadership, with the assassination occurring at a heavily guarded compound in the country’s capital within hours of the swearing-in ceremony of the country’s new president,” the New York Times reported.

Israel’s intelligence agency, the Mossad, hired Iranian security agents to plant explosives in three separate rooms of the building where Haniyeh was staying, Britain’s the Telegraph reported.

Iranian officials and Hamas said Wednesday that Israel was responsible for the assassination. But Israel has not acknowledged that it was responsible for planting the bomb.

“The perception that Iran can neither protect its homeland nor its key allies could be fatal for the Iranian regime, because it basically signals to its foes that if they can’t topple the Islamic Republic, they can decapitate it,” said Ali Vaez, the Iran director for the International Crisis Group.

The Revolutionary Guards Corps’ specialized intelligence unit for espionage has taken over the investigation and is hunting down suspects that it hopes will lead it to members of the assassin team that planned, aided and carried out the killing, according to the two Iranian officials, who requested anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the investigations.

The news of the sweeping arrests came after the Revolutionary Guards announced in a statement that “the scope and details of this incident are under investigation and will be announced in due course.”

After the attack, Iranian security agents raided the guesthouse compound, The New York Times reported. The agents placed all the guesthouse’s staff members under quarantine, arrested some, and confiscated all electronic devices, including personal phones, according to the two Iranians.

A separate team of agents interrogated senior military and intelligence officials with roles in safeguarding the capital. It placed a number of them under arrest until investigations are completed, according to the two Iranians.

When the security agents raided the guesthouse compound, they combed through every inch of it, inspecting surveillance cameras dating back months as well as guest lists. They also were examining the comings and goings of staff members, who are strictly vetted before employment and drawn from the rank and file of the Guards as well as from the Basij, its paramilitary volunteer task force, the two Iranian officials said.

The investigation also focused on Tehran’s international and domestic airports, where agents have been stationed, looking through months of footage on cameras from the arrival and departure lounges and examining flight lists, the two Iranians said. They said that Iran believes members of Mossad’s assassin team are still in the country and their goal is to arrest them.

An Iranian member of the Revolutionary Guards, who requested anonymity because he was not authorized to speak, said he was not aware of the arrests, but said that security protocols had been completely overhauled in the past two days for senior officials. The security details for senior officials were changed, and electronic equipment such as mobile phones swapped. He said some senior officials had been moved to a different location.
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Reference: https://english.aawsat.com/arab-world/5046756-iran-arrests-dozens-search-haniyeh-killing-suspects.
 
Senate passes resolution on Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh’s martyrdom

The Senate of Pakistan on Monday unanimously passed a resolution on martyrdom of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh, also condemning the brutal war crimes of Israel against innocent Palestinians.

The resolution passed by the Senate said, “This House expresses profound grief and sorrow on the martyrdom of eminent Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh in an attack by Israeli Zionists in Tehran on 31st July, 2024. The House condemns human rights violations and unprovoked bombing of Israel in Beirut and the recent killing of 250 innocent civilians in Palestine in addition to thousands of others. Realizing that Israel is morphing into an international criminal and terrorist entity that is attacking Muslim Nations with impunity; the Senate of Pakistan strongly recommends that all countries, the Organization of Islamic Cooperation and particularly Muslim countries to counter and restrain Israeli from its terrorist agenda and ensure lifting of siege of Gaza to provide immediate assistance to the starving and injured civilians and halting of bombing at Gaza on immediate basis.”

The mover of the resolution Senator Palwasha Mohammad Zai Khan said that Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was the leader of the Muslim world who raised this issue at international level and untied the entire Muslim Ummah.


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Senate passes resolution on Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh’s martyrdom

ISLAMABAD: The Senate of Pakistan on Monday unanimously passed a resolution on martyrdom of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh, also condemning the brutal war
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