Top Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh killed in Iran

[BouncerGuy]

Top Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh killed in Iran - group says

Top Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh has been killed in Iran, the group has said.

In a statement released on Wednesday, Hamas said Haniyeh was killed in an Israeli raid on his residence in Tehran.

According to the group, Haniyeh died after participating in the inauguration ceremony of the new Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian who was sworn in on Tuesday.

Nobody has yet to claim responsibility.

The Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps said the cause of the "incident" was not immediately clear but was "being investigated", AFP news agency reported.

The Palestinian group controlling Gaza said Haniyeh was "killed in a treacherous Zionist raid".

Israel is yet to respond or issue a statement.

Haniyeh, 62, was a prominent member of the Hamas movement in the late 1980s.

Israel imprisoned Haniyeh for three years in 1989 as it cracked down on the first Palestinian uprising.

He was then exiled in 1992 to a no-man's-land between Israel and Lebanon, along with a number of Hamas leaders.

Haniyeh was appointed Palestinian prime minister in 2006 by President Mahmoud Abbas after Hamas won the most seats in national elections, but he was dismissed a year later after the group ousted Mr Abbas' Fatah party from the Gaza Strip in a week of deadly violence.

Haniyeh rejected his sacking as "unconstitutional", stressing that his government "would not abandon its national responsibilities towards the Palestinian people", and continued to rule in Gaza.

He was elected head of Hamas's political bureau in 2017.

In 2018, the US Department of State designated Haniyeh a terrorist. He had lived in Qatar for the past several years.

SOURCE: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ck7g0g4mk4zo

 

[IAJ]

Hamas said its political chief Ismail Haniyeh was killed in “a treacherous Zionist raid on his residence in Tehran”. Iran’s Foreign Ministry spokesman says the assassinated Hamas leader’s “blood will never be wasted”.There was no immediate comment from Israel. The Israeli military said it was conducting a situational assessment.

Israel war on Gaza updates: Fears of escalation grow after Haniyeh killing

These were the updates on Israel’s war on Gaza for Wednesday, July 31.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[IAJ]

This is quite strange. On one side you are negoatiating with him and other side you have killed him?

 

[Azzurri]

Iran has been exposed badly. They can’t even protextvtheir own capital let alone fighting with anyone

 

[Hitman]

Poor guy! So sad! Hope his family finds peace.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

This is quite strange. On one side you are negoatiating with him and other side you have killed him?

Taking out the leadership of the enemy leadership is better revenge than letting thousands of innocents die as collateral damage.

 

[nish_mate]

Stupid move IMO by Bibi, reeks of desperation. There will be another Haniyeh.

RIP the deceased.

The one question I do have, genuine one is how did Israel manage to wipe him out in Tehran of all places?

Or is it a case of the IGRC/Ayatollah not being happy with Haniyeh and have done a number on him and putting the balme on Israelis?

 

[Bhaijaan]

Stupid move IMO by Bibi, reeks of desperation. There will be another Haniyeh.

RIP the deceased.

The one question I do have, genuine one is how did Israel manage to wipe him out in Tehran of all places?

Or is it a case of the IGRC/Ayatollah not being happy with Haniyeh and have done a number on him and putting the balme on Israelis?

Israel has massive grapefruits.
They have been smashing the Arab world alone for years.

All this hoogla boobla from Iran means nothing when Israel can at will toy with them as it pleases them.

 

[nish_mate]

Israel has massive grapefruits.
They have been smashing the Arab world alone for years.

All this hoogla boobla from Iran means nothing when Israel can at will toy with them as it pleases them.

Yes but Iranians are not Arabs, they are Persians. The thing with grapefruit's massive or not they can be squished pretty easily and juiced even by a child.

All things considered Tehran's the most hostile place for Mossad agents. Looks more like IGRC getting rid of Haniyeh and appointing his successor.

 

[shortbread]

I have a sneaky suspicion his head was handed on a plate, as part of the peace deal with Israel.

 

[oatmeal]

Haniyeh was going to be killed sooner or later. The bigger embarrassment is for Iran and the new administration

 

[IAJ]

Haniyeh was going to be killed sooner or later. The bigger embarrassment is for Iran and the new administration

Yes, nothing happend to him in Qatar, but once he went to Iran he was killed. It’s understandable that Israelis didn’t want to kill him in Qatar but this was very poorly by Iran. They had the reponsibility to keep him safe while he was there.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Yahwa Sinwar is the bigger target!

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Stupid move IMO by Bibi, reeks of desperation. There will be another Haniyeh.

RIP the deceased.

The one question I do have, genuine one is how did Israel manage to wipe him out in Tehran of all places?

Or is it a case of the IGRC/Ayatollah not being happy with Haniyeh and have done a number on him and putting the balme on Israelis?

A couple of reasons I would think.

• Iran itself is a confused and incompetent administration
• Israel is not the plucky little underdog it is portrayed. They basically have the full military and intelligence network of the USA to call on.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The aim was to start a war with Iran & Lebanon . First they strike Beirut & then Tehran . Israel needs America to enter the war & make it regional , perhaps global . Resistance leaders & their families have always been killed , this doesn’t change anything for Israel , a big war will as they believe this is prophesied.

Iran & others are trying to wait it out until trump returns , he’s pro Israel for politics , happy to assist ..apart from a war with Iran & Russia . This is their view .

Israel is desperate it only has air power now & is a tired army . To save Itself from defeat it will happily lead the world into a world war. This isn’t Iraq or Libya situation.

 

[nish_mate]

A couple of reasons I would think.

• Iran itself is a confused and incompetent administration
• Israel is not the plucky little underdog it is portrayed. They basically have the full military and intelligence network of the USA to call on.

I get those points about Israel Captain, but to get agents on ground and to coordinate this means Iranian Counter Intelligence is pretty rubbish and they couldnt keep a high value target like him secure in Tehran doesnt bode well for the IGRC and make you wonder if Iran's even a regional power and a serious player.

In my mind, it would have been much easier to wipe him out in Qatar, maybe not politically suitable as would queer the pitch for any ceasefire.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Yes but Iranians are not Arabs, they are Persians. The thing with grapefruit's massive or not they can be squished pretty easily and juiced even by a child.

All things considered Tehran's the most hostile place for Mossad agents. Looks more like IGRC getting rid of Haniyeh and appointing his successor.

Persians are not known for bravery either. They were put in place by Pakistan last month. Imagine how bad the situation must be if you can’t stand straight in front of Pakistan.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I get those points about Israel Captain, but to get agents on ground and to coordinate this means Iranian Counter Intelligence is pretty rubbish and they couldnt keep a high value target like him secure in Tehran doesnt bode well for the IGRC and make you wonder if Iran's even a regional power and a serious player.

In my mind, it would have been much easier to wipe him out in Qatar, maybe not politically suitable as would queer the pitch for any ceasefire.

This is why I said their administration seems borderline incompetent. But KKWC is also correct, Iran is very wary of being drawn into a full scale war where the US would be drawn in. But you are right, it does call into question their ability to even protect their own high value personnel. They just seem to be a larger version of Hezbollah, ability to lob a few missiles but beyond that not much penetrative ability.

 

[nish_mate]

Yes, nothing happend to him in Qatar, but once he went to Iran he was killed. It’s understandable that Israelis didn’t want to kill him in Qatar but this was very poorly by Iran. They had the reponsibility to keep him safe while he was there.

More reason to think this was an inside jobe by IGRC et al. if they werent happy with him, rather than Israelis. Either sacrificed him for a temporary truce or wanted to plant a successor.

 

[nish_mate]

This is why I said their administration seems borderline incompetent. But KKWC is also correct, Iran is very wary of being drawn into a full scale war where the US would be drawn in. But you are right, it does call into question their ability to even protect their own high value personnel. They just seem to be a larger version of Hezbollah, ability to lob a few missiles but beyond that not much penetrative ability.

To my mind there was always delineation between the admin that runs the civil services and amenities etc (their presidents and their mayors) and IGRC that runs the security apparatus.

IGRC was usually seasoned professionals and knew their trade- hampered by lack of funds and technology perhaps in the intelligence trade.

 

[nish_mate]

The aim was to start a war with Iran & Lebanon . First they strike Beirut & then Tehran . Israel needs America to enter the war & make it regional , perhaps global . Resistance leaders & their families have always been killed , this doesn’t change anything for Israel , a big war will as they believe this is prophesied.

Iran & others are trying to wait it out until trump returns , he’s pro Israel for politics , happy to assist ..apart from a war with Iran & Russia . This is their view .

Israel is desperate it only has air power now & is a tired army . To save Itself from defeat it will happily lead the world into a world war. This isn’t Iraq or Libya situation.

But Trump is also the one who reneged/walked away the 2018 oil/nuke deal, which enabled Iranians to trade oil in EUR. Iranians desperately need oil revenue for CAPEX on their oil infrastructure and to boost the economy.

 

[KingKhanWC]

This is why I said their administration seems borderline incompetent. But KKWC is also correct, Iran is very wary of being drawn into a full scale war where the US would be drawn in. But you are right, it does call into question their ability to even protect their own high value personnel. They just seem to be a larger version of Hezbollah, ability to lob a few missiles but beyond that not much penetrative ability.

This raid assassination is embarrassing but doesn’t mean Iran is also weak in military warfare , they are very powerful mainly with missiles & drones , state of the art . Iran can destroy all of Israel in a war , this isn’t argued but will also be in ruins , along with the world even if it’s economy wise for some .

No details of how it happened so may not be an air strike but a bombing , which are near impossible to stop .

If the cia, nsi, secret service etc near allowed trump to be killed , who is more incompetent?

 

[BouncerGuy]

China, Jordan and Lebanon join condemnation of killing

The reaction is continuing to come in from the region and beyond.

Jordan says it condemns "in the strongest terms Israel's assassination" of the Hamas leader - and that it will lead to "more tension and chaos in the region".

A reminder - Israel has not commented on whether it was behind the attack.

It was also condemned by Lebanon - whose Prime Minister Najib Mikati also warned of a serious escalation in the wider region at an urgent meeting of his cabinet this morning.

And China's foreign ministry says it "resolutely opposes and condemns the assassination" and is "deeply concerned" about more turbulence in the region.

Spokesman Lin Jian adds "a comprehensive and permanent ceasefire" should be reached in Gaza.

BBC

 

[KingKhanWC]

But Trump is also the one who reneged/walked away the 2018 oil/nuke deal, which enabled Iranians to trade oil in EUR. Iranians desperately need oil revenue for CAPEX on their oil infrastructure and to boost the economy.

Trump will do what his advisors tell him unless it costs USA huge money or its war . Israel needs the USA to back them in any war, Americans are noticing this. Israel is speeding up history .

At this stage a world war by 2030 is even money. Other nations need to step up & end this & Ukraine conflict .

 

[Bhaijaan]

This raid assassination is embarrassing but doesn’t mean Iran is also weak in military warfare , they are very powerful mainly with missiles & drones , state of the art . Iran can destroy all of Israel in a war , this isn’t argued but will also be in ruins , along with the world even if it’s economy wise for some .

No details of how it happened so may not be an air strike but a bombing , which are near impossible to stop .

If the cia, nsi, secret service etc near allowed trump to be killed , who is more incompetent?

Iran is no match for Israel.
They’re at best on par with Ukraine, Pakistan.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Iran is no match for Israel.
They’re at best on par with Ukraine, Pakistan.

Everything is a laughing matter in the world of salman khan’s Bollywood but outside of Bombay a small nation like Israel regardless of its military power cannot defend against thousands of missiles , some hypersonic. It’s called science

 

[DeadlyVenom]

This is why I said their administration seems borderline incompetent. But KKWC is also correct, Iran is very wary of being drawn into a full scale war where the US would be drawn in. But you are right, it does call into question their ability to even protect their own high value personnel. They just seem to be a larger version of Hezbollah, ability to lob a few missiles but beyond that not much penetrative ability.

It is embarrassing for them.

Their main selling points is that incompetent administration with no penetrative ability as you say is still well ahead of its regional allies bar Israel and the ability to occasionally sabre rattle which is still far beyond the capability of most of the Arabs and Muslims.

When you view them in this light it's easy to see why Iran and Hezbollah enjoy so much popular support.

They have disrupted trade to Israel via Houthud
Struck Israel directly with drones
Hit hard in the Northern areas of Israel. Israel has been forced to evacuate tens of thousands of people and regularly face Hezbollah bombardment.

That's miles ahead of the achievements in any other country and why the nearby Arab regimes are deeply fearful of the Iranians.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Trump will do what his advisors tell him unless it costs USA huge money or its war . Israel needs the USA to back them in any war, Americans are noticing this. Israel is speeding up history .

At this stage a world war by 2030 is even money. Other nations need to step up & end this & Ukraine conflict .

Trump is under the thumb of Kushner without a doubt. He will cause a war and spend huge money if it is required to assist Israel.

 

[nish_mate]

Trump will do what his advisors tell him unless it costs USA huge money or its war . Israel needs the USA to back them in any war, Americans are noticing this. Israel is speeding up history .

At this stage a world war by 2030 is even money. Other nations need to step up & end this & Ukraine conflict .

The bold is not disputed. On Trump, yes he will do as per his advisors as with all Presidents in the past, but he is also a narssicist ego maniac, who will do anything that helps him/his family/his biz first- IIRC correctly he was the one who agreed to Jerusalem being the capital of Israel, which even Reagan, Bush Snr and Jnr didnt (only counting the republican pres's here).

Of the other nations that can can do anything to stop the ME war- China is keeping it's distance, Russia is preoccupied with Ukraine. Rest are insignificant players- Europe depends on US for security and gas now (self goal), Arab Petro nations want the oil money to flow.

Russia even post Ukraine special military operation ending, will be pre occupied for many years in rebuilding/recalibrating the economy- the damage from sanctions is quite severe and significant.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

More reason to think this was an inside jobe by IGRC et al. if they werent happy with him, rather than Israelis. Either sacrificed him for a temporary truce or wanted to plant a successor.

It is deeply embarrassing for them and will cause doubts in the minds of their other allies. I doubt they would have wanted to take the risk.

The truth is that Eastern countries are easily penetrated by Western intelligence agencies. A few dollars can change someone's life and despite the outward display of patriotism many of these countries armed personnel ( like Pakistans for example) only care about themselves.

Look after them and they will flip. Political allegiances will be thrown under the bus for a few dollars

 

[KingKhanWC]

The bold is not disputed. On Trump, yes he will do as per his advisors as with all Presidents in the past, but he is also a narssicist ego maniac, who will do anything that helps him/his family/his biz first- IIRC correctly he was the one who agreed to Jerusalem being the capital of Israel, which even Reagan, Bush Snr and Jnr didnt (only counting the republican pres's here).

Of the other nations that can can do anything to stop the ME war- China is keeping it's distance, Russia is preoccupied with Ukraine. Rest are insignificant players- Europe depends on US for security and gas now (self goal), Arab Petro nations want the oil money to flow.

Russia even post Ukraine special military operation ending, will be pre occupied for many years in rebuilding/recalibrating the economy- the damage from sanctions is quite severe and significant.

He may be but also knows any war is bad for him & America, above all he wants USA to be rich , wars won’t help this but any big war could bankrupt USA .

Russia is fully behind Iran , it has no choice as Iran saved Russia in Ukraine with its drones & missiles . Iranian drones were a game changer . If Iran is attacked so will Syria . Russia has bases & a port in Syria , again will have no choice to defend it .

 

[RexRex]

Mossad is the best intelligence agency out there - top notch, and too intelligent for Hamas & Hezbollah.

 

[RexRex]

The truth is that Eastern countries are easily penetrated by Western intelligence agencies. A few dollars can change someone's life and despite the outward display of patriotism many of these countries armed personnel ( like Pakistans for example) only care about themselves.

Are Israeli patriots immune to this kind of temptation ? Arab states should have bought them off with oil money.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Mossad is the best intelligence agency out there - top notch, and too intelligent for Hamas & Hezbollah.

Not since last decade.
RAW has taken over that title.

 

[shortbread]

More reason to think this was an inside jobe by IGRC et al. if they werent happy with him, rather than Israelis. Either sacrificed him for a temporary truce or wanted to plant a successor.

I think its the same, a sacrificial goat for temporary truce. A pin point accurate strike with minimal causalities. Nethenyahu & cos desperation for war has been severely underestimated by Iran and its proxies. He's willing to escalate and kill more people, in fact eradicate as many Palestinians as he can.

Iran is fragile with a new government in place and an irate population due to a struggling economy, poverty and massive youth unemployment. Iran will be very very vulnerable in a war, it's archaic anti air defence, air force and navy are just sitting ducks for a US flotilla. Nethenyahu wants this, he wants a conflict with Iran and the US to be drawn in. What makes it worse for Iran is that the US will get plenty of anti - Iran support, the Saudis, Emaratis etc... Heck for the right price the establishment will have no qualms in playing host for a US staging ground in Pakistan at the Iranian border. Proxies hundreds of miles away are of little use then. There's plenty of support in both US houses to see action against Iran.

Find some barren desert in Israel to target in order for Iran to save face, and close this file.

 

[BouncerGuy]

What does Haniyeh's killing mean for Gaza ceasefire?

We’re beginning to get some idea of how Ismail Haniyeh was killed. Early indications suggest that he and his bodyguards died when a rocket hit the house where he was staying in Tehran.

All eyes will inevitably fall on Israel, which vowed to hunt down and punish all Hamas leaders following the brutal attacks of 7 October, in which around 1,200 Israelis and foreigners were killed.

Israel typically does not comment on its operations abroad, but this attack may have followed the same pattern as an Israeli operation which targeted Iranian air defences around its nuclear facility in Natanz on 19 April.

Israeli jets are believed to have fired rockets from outside Iranian airspace.

But while details of the attack slowly emerge, its political consequences are also coming into focus.

The most obvious is the likely damage to fragile efforts to negotiate a ceasefire in Gaza.

Ismail Haniyeh may not have been in charge of day-to-day events on the ground in Gaza – that is the domain of the military commander Yahya Sinwar – but as the Hamas leader in exile he was a critical interlocutor in negotiations brokered by Qatar, the US and Egypt.

American officials had recently suggested that ceasefire negotiations might soon succeed, although a meeting in Rome last weekend did not result in a breakthrough.

But it is extremely hard to see how any progress can be made in the immediate wake of the assassination of Ismail Haniyeh.

Why now?

All of which begs the question: If this was, as everyone assumes, an Israeli operation, why was it carried out?

Beyond the desire to exact revenge on anyone associated with Hamas, what was Israel hoping to achieve?

Turkey’s foreign ministry has already summed up the likely reaction of many in the region.

"It has been revealed once again that the government of (Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin) Netanyahu has no intention of achieving peace," it said in a statement.

The timing suggests this was a wider part of Israel’s threatened retaliation for the Hezbollah rocket attack that killed 12 Druze children and young people in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights on Saturday - retaliation that included the killing of a senior Hezbollah commander in Beirut last night.

Israel had warned that its response would be harsh.

Officials here regularly point out that Iran is the nexus for the so-called “arc of resistance” in the Middle East, which includes Hezbollah in Lebanon, Hamas in Gaza and the West Bank, and the Houthis in Yemen.

After dealing a blow to Hezbollah in Beirut (and recently to the Houthis in Hodeidah), killing the Hamas leader in Iran sends an emphatic, chilling message, to the militant groups and their Iranian backers: Israel can and will come after you, wherever you are.

BBC

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

Proper humiliation for Iran. Can't believe the stupid comments about inside job and Iran being behind it. LOL.

Iran is all talk and 0 proper action.

Israel desperately want's USA to get involved in this war and especially against Iran. I guess they were the main lobbyist to remove Saddam as well. Their own army must be tired by now.

Natenyanho must have gained confidence after recent visit to USA to do this.

Israel keeps getting away with these provokations and assasinations. Not the first time Israel has assasinated people in Tehran. Iran is properly humiliated. They are forced to do something.

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

Mossad is the best intelligence agency out there - top notch, and too intelligent for Hamas & Hezbollah.

It helps they have access to CIA. Makes Mossad looks stronger at times.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Everything is a laughing matter in the world of salman khan’s Bollywood but outside of Bombay a small nation like Israel regardless of its military power cannot defend against thousands of missiles , some hypersonic. It’s called science

Being a bigger nation means nothing.
Kazakhstan and Nigeria are big nations too.

 

[nish_mate]

Proper humiliation for Iran. Can't believe the stupid comments about inside job and Iran being behind it. LOL.

Iran is all talk and 0 proper action.

Israel desperately want's USA to get involved in this war and especially against Iran. I guess they were the main lobbyist to remove Saddam as well. Their own army must be tired by now.

Natenyanho must have gained confidence after recent visit to USA to do this.

Israel keeps getting away with these provokations and assasinations. Not the first time Israel has assasinated people in Tehran. Iran is properly humiliated. They are forced to do something.

Just coz you dont agree with doesnt make it stupid and then hiding behind a LOL.

Stupidity is yes to suggest Israel convinced Saddam to go for Kuwait, get his back side whipped and then say it was Israel's doing.

The stupidity is saying Iran is all talk and 0 proper action, and then concluding they are forced to do something.

 

[Local.Dada]

I just saw the pic of the Hamas leader who got shot, I was expecting some maulana looking guy with the whole beard etc. This guy looks like a corporate businessmen.

Seems like an inside job like how Osama was sold out.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Are Israeli patriots immune to this kind of temptation ? Arab states should have bought them off with oil money.

You need some sort of other incentives plus nous to bring people to your side.

Western governments have everything in the world that is attractive.

Arabs barely spend money on external stuff they have only happened recently.

Imagine the dialogue between a western intelligence agent trying to convert someone from a Muslim country - they can offer money, safety, access to the best healthcare, kids living in freedom and luxury.

What could the Arab regimes offer Israelis lol

 

[Varun]

What could the Arab regimes offer Israelis lol

Islands off the coast of Dubai?

 

[Bhaijaan]

Israel can go on slapping spree smashing all the Arab nations + Iran with one hand tied and an eye closed and return by evening to Tel Aviv holding a hot cup of Timmy’s French Vanilla.

 

[globetrotter]

Hamas leader haniye killed, but who is responsible for it? The countries who are just declaring their oral support to Palestine. They are misleading Hamas. Poor and innocent Palestines are killed, but instead of stopping war countries like Iran, Turkey and other countries are fuelling the war.

 

[Varun]

Everything is a laughing matter in the world of salman khan’s Bollywood but outside of Bombay a small nation like Israel regardless of its military power cannot defend against thousands of missiles , some hypersonic. It’s called science

"Thousands of missiles" are only hurled in your dreams every night.

All Israel/USA has done to Iran are pinpoint attacks that has taken out who they want, when they want: Suleimani, Haniyeh, etc.

Who knows, some folks in Iran are probably in on it too. They have likely provided assistance to Israel in some way, shape or form.

 

[oatmeal]

This raid assassination is embarrassing but doesn’t mean Iran is also weak in military warfare , they are very powerful mainly with missiles & drones , state of the art . Iran can destroy all of Israel in a war , this isn’t argued but will also be in ruins , along with the world even if it’s economy wise for some .

No details of how it happened so may not be an air strike but a bombing , which are near impossible to stop .

If the cia, nsi, secret service etc near allowed trump to be killed , who is more incompetent?

Iran will get obliterated in an all out war against Israel because this will inevitably draw in USA into the conflict. Also Israel has nukes which it hasnt acknowledged.

If USA doesn't get directly involved, It will be bloody on both sides but Iran has no chance of winning without the other Arab states who wont get involved.

 

[nish_mate]

You need some sort of other incentives plus nous to bring people to your side.

Western governments have everything in the world that is attractive.

Arabs barely spend money on external stuff they have only happened recently.

Imagine the dialogue between a western intelligence agent trying to convert someone from a Muslim country - they can offer money, safety, access to the best healthcare, kids living in freedom and luxury.

What could the Arab regimes offer Israelis lol

Ideology mate. The best known Brit turncoats did it for Soviet ideology not for incentives.

Other thing is that Israelis can bank on the fact that they can place deep sleeper agents in any country of the world simpley because Jews come from all ethnicities, tribes, races, colours etc. Notable exception East Asia, but then Israel dont have conflicts with them just yet.

 

[FearlessRoar]

An open invitation to third world war

 

[BouncerGuy]

Iran's Khamenei says avenging Haniyeh's killing is 'Tehran's duty'

Avenging Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh’s assassination is “Tehran’s duty” because it occurred in the Iranian capital, Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said on Wednesday.

According to Reuters, Khamenei said Israel had provided the grounds for “harsh punishment” for itself.

“We consider his revenge as our duty,” he said.

There has been no immediate comment from Israel on the strike, which took place hours after Haniyeh attended the inauguration ceremony for Iran’s new president.

THE GUARDIAN

 

[Red-Indian]

It is deeply embarrassing for them and will cause doubts in the minds of their other allies. I doubt they would have wanted to take the risk.

The truth is that Eastern countries are easily penetrated by Western intelligence agencies. A few dollars can change someone's life and despite the outward display of patriotism many of these countries armed personnel ( like Pakistans for example) only care about themselves.

Look after them and they will flip. Political allegiances will be thrown under the bus for a few dollars

To be honest, I'm not sure how much intelligence gathering is human based any more. I was reading an article in the Economist about how almost the entire budget is spent on electronic and satellite/drone based intelligence gathering and human intelligence is only used for corroboration and verification.

But you're right. For all of the money that Iran and other gulf states have, all their intelligence agencies seem to be focussed internally...spying on their own population and rooting out dissidents rather than outward - trying to suborn western and Israeli intelligence and military officials.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Pakistan condemns Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh’s killing in Tehran attack​

Pakistan has strongly condemned the assassination of Ismail Haniyeh, head of Hamas' political bureau, in Tehran.

The Foreign Office spokesperson expressed deep condolences to Haniyeh's family and the Palestinian people, condemning all forms of terrorism, including extrajudicial killings.

“We express our sympathies to his family and the Palestinian people,” the spokesperson stated.

“Pakistan condemns terrorism in all its forms, including such extrajudicial killings.”

The spokesperson also expressed Pakistan's deep concern over the increasing Israeli aggression in the region.

“Pakistan is deeply concerned about the growing Israeli adventurism. These actions are a dangerous escalation in an already unstable region and undermine peace efforts,” the statement read.

Ismail Haniyeh was killed in an attack in Tehran while attending the inauguration ceremony of Iran's newly elected president.

The assassination was carried out late at night, targeting Haniyeh and his bodyguard.

Iran's Revolutionary Guard and Hamas have both blamed Israel for the assassination.

However, Israel has not yet confirmed or denied these allegations.

Pakistan condemns Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh’s killing in Tehran attack | The Express Tribune

FO expresses condolences to Haniyeh's family and the Palestinian people

tribune.com.pk

 

[Bewal Express]

Israel has massive grapefruits.
They have been smashing the Arab world alone for years.

All this hoogla boobla from Iran means nothing when Israel can at will toy with them as it pleases them.

The Arab leaders has pretended to hate them. Just imagine what the Arab world could do if there leaders werent weren't sell outs. Look at the chaos just Hamas and Hezbollah have caused them at both borders. A few telegraphed Iranian Missiles needed America and UK to protect them. Stop this myth that it's the Arab world, Arab leaders definitely

 

[DeadlyVenom]

it will be interesting to see who goes to the funeral in Qatar

Some Arab nation heads for sure but wonder if any Russian or Chinese dignitary will attend.

It's unlikely BUT worth keeping an eye on

 

[nish_mate]

To be honest, I'm not sure how much intelligence gathering is human based any more. I was reading an article in the Economist about how almost the entire budget is spent on electronic and satellite/drone based intelligence gathering and human intelligence is only used for corroboration and verification.

But you're right. For all of the money that Iran and other gulf states have, all their intelligence agencies seem to be focussed internally...spying on their own population and rooting out dissidents rather than outward - trying to suborn western and Israeli intelligence and military officials.

Satellite etc intelligence gathering was already blindsided by Soviets with Maskirovka.

Sigint or Elecint can only collate and can be blindsided again if collaborators go offline and old school. Has happened before and will happen again. How did Israel with its extensive Sig/Elec Int and AI capabilities completely miss the Hamas attack which triggered this whole war (without going on a tangent if this was an inside job etc etc).

What if your drone operator or sat operator or analyst is a double agent, will still need a human to discover that...

Mossad spend significant amount on tracking its Arab citizens as well. Mossad on its own better than any of the regional spy agencies. Mossad plus US plus UK plus EU, well its a one sided match 99%.

 

[sweep_shot]

This paints a bad picture of Iran.

If you can't prevent an attack in Tehran, country's defense capability is in question.

Israel behaved like a criminal nation again. You can't attack other countries like this. This is a blatant disregard to international norms.

 

[Local.Dada]

Best opportunity for Pak to step in and take the leadership of the ummah as the only nuclear Islamic state I feel.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Ideology mate. The best known Brit turncoats did it for Soviet ideology not for incentives.

Other thing is that Israelis can bank on the fact that they can place deep sleeper agents in any country of the world simpley because Jews come from all ethnicities, tribes, races, colours etc. Notable exception East Asia, but then Israel dont have conflicts with them just yet.

Well even from an ideology perspective Arba nations have nothing to offer.

I think they make use of local assets rather than place agents for these types of activities.

What's the point planting someone when you can buy someone for a few shekels?

 

[nish_mate]

Well even from an ideology perspective Arba nations have nothing to offer.

I think they make use of local assets rather than place agents for these types of activities.

What's the point planting someone when you can buy someone for a few shekels?

The risk they can be bought over for a few more rials or Dhirams etc....

Arab nations have lots of Ideology to offer- something for another day.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It helps they have access to CIA. Makes Mossad looks stronger at times.

Yes I said this earlier. While I don't doubt Israel is competent, it's pretty hard to judge it's real military ability while it is twinned with the USA. The narrative of the plucky israelis usually involves quite a lot of propaganda which suits some quarters.

 

[FearlessRoar]

US VP Kamala Harris says Israel has ‘right to defend itself’ against Hezbollah​

US Vice President Kamala Harris, the presumptive Democratic election nominee, said Tuesday that Israel had a “right to defend itself” following a strike in Hezbollah’s stronghold in southern Beirut.

Harris -- who last week struck a tough tone with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu over Israel’s war on Gaza -- also called for a diplomatic solution to reduce the risk of all-out conflict on the Lebanon-Israel border.

“I want to address what’s happened over the last few hours in terms of the Middle East, and be very clear Israel has a right to defend itself,” Harris told reporters as she headed to an election rally in Atlanta, Georgia.

Israel said the attack on Tuesday had targeted a Hezbollah commander responsible for rocket fire that killed 12 children in the occupied Golan Heights at the weekend.

“What we know in particular is it (Israel) has the right to defend itself against a terrorist organization, which is exactly what Hezbollah is,” added Harris.

“But all of that being said, we still must work on a diplomatic solution to end these attacks, and we will continue to do that work.”

Harris is effectively locked in as the Democratic presidential nominee for November’s US election after President Joe Biden’s shock decision to drop out of the White House race just over a week ago.

With speculation swirling about whether she would moderate Biden’s stalwart support for Israel’s Gaza war, Harris said last week after meeting Netanyahu in Washington that she “will not be silent” about Palestinian casualties there.

Harris said on Thursday she expressed “serious concern about the scale of human suffering” to Netanyahu, who held separate meetings with her and Biden.

https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2024/07/31/us-vp-kamala-harris-says-israel-has-right-to-defend-itself-against-hezbollah

 

[Hitman]

Who knew on October 7th last year that the retaliation would be so, so, so devastating. The whole thing has completely spiralled out of control.

 

[sweep_shot]

Israel gets away with all these because they are backed by USA/UK.

Even during 1947 war, they were backed.

Israel gets billions of Dollars of military aid every year.

A pampered and spoiled kid.

 

[FearlessRoar]

US not involved in the killing of Hamas chief Haniyeh, says Secretary of State Blinken​

The United States was "not aware of or involved in" the killing of top Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said on Wednesday (Jul 31).

He was speaking to CNA during his two-day official visit to Singapore, hours after it was reported that Haniyeh - a key figure in the Gaza ceasefire talks - was killed in his residence in Iran's capital Tehran.

When asked if what impact the killing is going to have, Blinken said: “It's very hard to speculate, and I've learned over many years never to speculate on the impact one event may have on something else.”

Instead, he stressed on the importance of getting a ceasefire to end the nine-month war, saying: “We will continue to labour that for as long as it takes to get there.”

He noted: “It's vitally important to help end the suffering of Palestinians in Gaza. It's vitally important to get the hostages home, including a number of Americans.

“It's vitally important to hopefully put things on a better path for more enduring peace and more enduring security, so that focus remains and again, speculating on the impact of any one event, I've learned, is not a not a wise thing to do.”

Blinken said the imperative of getting a ceasefire remains the best way of bringing down tensions in the Middle East.

“One of the things that we've been focused on is trying to make sure that the conflict that emerged in Gaza doesn't spread, doesn't go to other places, doesn't escalate, and we're going to continue to do that as well," he added.

"Now again, the best way to bring temperature down everywhere and to put us on a better path is through a ceasefire in Gaza."

Blinken arrived in Singapore on Tuesday as part of his 18th trip to the Indo-Pacific region.

“What we're seeing across the board is something that (US) President Joe Biden was determined to do from day one. And that was to reinvigorate, to - in some cases - even reimagine, but to start by reinvigorating our core alliances and our core partnerships,” he told CNA.

“Even with everything else that's going on in other parts of the world, our focus is here, because we see our future, as an Indo-Pacific country ourselves, as very much being with this region.”

Both President Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee in the Nov 5 presidential election, see the US' future in the Indo Pacific, said Blinken.

“When it comes to the Indo Pacific, for us, that's not only the present, it's clearly the future,” he said.

“That's reflected in what we're doing now with this intense and sustained engagement these last three-and-a-half years. And I'm convinced that that will be the approach that's taken in the coming time as well.”

US not involved in the killing of Hamas chief Haniyeh, says Secretary of State Blinken

In an exclusive interview with CNA, United States Secretary of State Antony Blinken stressed the importance of getting a ceasefire in the Gaza war.

www.channelnewsasia.com

 

[Champ_Pal]

He should have stayed in Qatar. Israel would not have targeted him there.

Anyway, good riddance.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Iran has been exposed badly. They can’t even protextvtheir own capital let alone fighting with anyone

They are good at swearing for revenge and blowing a ton of hot air.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Iran will get obliterated in an all out war against Israel because this will inevitably draw in USA into the conflict. Also Israel has nukes which it hasnt acknowledged.

If USA doesn't get directly involved, It will be bloody on both sides but Iran has no chance of winning without the other Arab states who wont get involved.

Sure but Israel is tiny , not difficult to obliterate too . The world will also fall into an economic hellhole , bringing forth the collapse of many economies.

Iran is far more civilised & doesn’t want bloodshed while Israelis today are celebrating their soldiers freedom after gangraping a detainee, rabbis voucherd for them to be allowed. People should be grateful Iran is holding back .

 

[KingKhanWC]

He should have stayed in Qatar. Israel would not have targeted him there.

Anyway, good riddance.

He is martyr now , there is no lose situations left for Palestinians

 

[Local.Dada]

He is martyr now , there is no lose situations left for Palestinians

What changes now? It’s not like they were less mad about Israel yesterday.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Who knew on October 7th last year that the retaliation would be so, so, so devastating. The whole thing has completely spiralled out of control.

I presume History was not one of your strong points. Infact I'm adamant history is definitely not your strong point.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Everything is a laughing matter in the world of salman khan’s Bollywood but outside of Bombay a small nation like Israel regardless of its military power cannot defend against thousands of missiles , some hypersonic. It’s called science

Who will fight Israel?

Unless Russia or China join the war, nothing will happen to Israel. But China never fights any war. Russia is already bankrupt due to Ukraine war. Arab countries are rag dolls for Israel. They are all at Israel's mercy.

 

[sweep_shot]

I presume History was not one of your strong points. Infact I'm adamant history is definitely not your strong point.

It makes me laugh when these Indians try to butt in in Palestine-Israel discussions. They don't have any stake and their historic knowledge tends to be limited/inaccurate.

For example, one Indian poster wrote that Israeli settlers were grabbing Palestinian lands legally. I couldn't believe my eyes.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

What changes now? It’s not like they were less mad about Israel yesterday.

Your confused or ignorant.

It's the Pro israeli who refusing to accept a Palastanian state.

It's the Pro israeli who are expanding their illegal occupation more and more in to the palastanian territory

It's the Pro israeli who continue to bomb innocent civilians

It's the Pro israeli who are breaching ICJ rulings

 

[Hitman]

I presume History was not one of your strong points. Infact I'm adamant history is definitely not your strong point.

Thanks for the compliment! None of it would have happened if the events on October 7th last year didn't happen.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Who will fight Israel?

Unless Russia or China join the war, nothing will happen to Israel. But China never fights any war. Russia is already bankrupt due to Ukraine war. Arab countries are rag dolls for Israel. They are all at Israel's mercy.

Israel can’t even defeat hamas . Hezbollah alone can punish Israel as they did in 2006 winning the war . This isn’t the 1970s , Iran’s missile technology is more than enough to destroy tel aviv & every major city . Look at the facts not your personal Hindi bias & you wouldn’t be asking such stupid questions

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Thanks for the compliment! None of it would have happened if the events on October 7th last year didn't happen.

Prior to October 7th. 2023 was the bloodiest year for the Palastanians in casualties since 2005, so you can jump on your narrative all you want.

 

[Local.Dada]

Israel can’t even defeat hamas . Hezbollah alone can punish Israel as they did in 2006 winning the war . This isn’t the 1970s , Iran’s missile technology is more than enough to destroy tel aviv & every major city . Look at the facts not your personal Hindi bias & you wouldn’t be asking such stupid questions

Best time to walk the talk then. Can’t get more real than this incident. can it?

 

[sweep_shot]

Prior to October 7th. 2023 was the bloodiest year for the Palastanians in casualties since 2005, so you can jump on your narrative all you want.

These Indians seem to think conflict started on October 7, 2023. LOL.

They need to read history and news more.

Conflict started almost 100 years ago (Balfour declaration).

 

[aboveandbeyond]

It makes me laugh when these Indians try to butt in in Palestine-Israel discussions. They don't have any stake and their historic knowledge tends to be limited/inaccurate.

For example, one Indian poster wrote that Israeli settlers were grabbing Palestinian lands legally. I couldn't believe my eyes.

Confused lot.

Even in the UK we have Hindutwas in the far right rallies, when the same Far right comprehensively declined both sunak and Braverman who sucked up as uncle toms

 

[sweep_shot]

After spending all these years on PP, I learned not to discuss any Middle East conflict/Muslim issue with Indians (particularly BJP Indians).

It is like discussing Sudan civil war with someone from Vanuatu. There is a knowledge gap.