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Iranian Chabahar Port India willing to spend $20 Billion

Majestic_Inzi said:
Did that hurt!!
you have greater problems its not just kashmir, many others want to be free of Bharat, all they need is a push...

What goes around comes around. remember that...
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Yes, it hurt :sree but since you want to embarrass yourself, please tell what do you know about the groups in India who want to be free from bharat :srini, let's check your knowledge :yk2
 
cricketjoshila said:
Everyone wants freedom from India.But its East Pakistan that was freed.
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It was inevitable that east would have separated from Pakistan, the bristish "lord" was probably drunk when he drew up the map. How can a state function when borders dont touch. It was a silly idea and was done deliberately.
 
KKhan said:
That's why Afghanistan asked permission from Pakistan for Pakistan-Afghanistan transit? And why their permission was denied by their father, Pakistan? To this day, they still whine about their father, but that doesn't change the fact that Pakistan is still father of Afghanistan. Afghanistan cannot breath fresh air without Pakistan's permission, talk about Chabahar port at the expense of Pakistan-Afghanistan transit and not feeling left out. :)
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Pakistan is no one's father.It doesnt even decide its own fate.Sometimes controlled by US sometimes by China and most of the times by Saudis.

Afghanistan is a free nation and they now have a second option from Chabahar which is safer and better.I know how hurt Pakistanis are at losing their influence in Afghanistan.Everyday crying about Indian consulates there.

Left out?We have only cultivated more influence in that region and given everyone involved in Afghanistan a second route via Chabahar.
 
cricketjoshila said:
You mean what our FM called peanuts.Malik bhai we have done this all before.Bring something new.
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You have a name for England's aid already? It is good name for collecting aid and redeem yourself in the eye of the world at the same time. Also, that way you can continue collecting aid. :)
 
KKhan said:
You have a name for England's aid already? It is good name for collecting aid and redeem yourself in the eye of the world at the same time. Also, that way you can continue collecting aids. :)
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Bring something new malik brother.You have been owned numerous times on this topic.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Pakistan is no one's father.It doesnt even decide its own fate.Sometimes controlled by US sometimes by China and most of the times by Saudis.

Afghanistan is a free nation and they now have a second option from Chabahar which is safer and better.I know how hurt Pakistanis are at losing their influence in Afghanistan.Everyday crying about Indian consulates there.

Left out?We have only cultivated more influence in that region and given everyone involved in Afghanistan a second route via Chabahar.
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We are scared. Now Pakistan project, Pakistan-Afghanistan transit and Gawadar port are in danger because mystical project Chabahar project is threat to both of them. :O
 
KKhan said:
We are scared. Now Pakistan project, Pakistan-Afghanistan transit and Gawadar port are in danger because mystical project Chabahar project is threat to both of them. :O
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You don't need to be scared, ab tak toh aadat ho jaani chahiye tumko :srini
 
cricketjoshila said:
Pakistan is no one's father.It doesnt even decide its own fate.Sometimes controlled by US sometimes by China and most of the times by Saudis.

Afghanistan is a free nation and they now have a second option from Chabahar which is safer and better.I know how hurt Pakistanis are at losing their influence in Afghanistan.Everyday crying about Indian consulates there.

Left out?We have only cultivated more influence in that region and given everyone involved in Afghanistan a second route via Chabahar.
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You really believe Afghani's favour India over Pakistan. Yes their have been grievances with this so called "war on terror", India trying to exploit that between two nations but keep trying... British and USA have virtually gone...

I recall China signed an deal to extract copper from Afghanistan, the deals worth $30 billion in total. Did india give them permission for that? :)))
 
Funny to hear all the Indians here calling Chabahar a "Port".

Forget cargo ships it can barely manage a handful of fishing boats.
 
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Majestic_Inzi said:
You really believe Afghani's favour India over Pakistan. Yes their have been grievances with this so called "war on terror", India trying to exploit that between two nations but keep trying... British and USA have virtually gone...

I recall China signed an deal to extract copper from Afghanistan, the deals worth $30 billion in total. Did india give them permission for that? :)))
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1.Ask Afghans who they favour.And NATO is in Afghanistan and will be there for a long long time.

2.Why will Afghanistan a free nation need permission?Btw are you china?Did Pakistan invest 30bn?Is Pakistan a chinese province?China is China and is treated as China.Pakistan is not China and doesnt get the same treatment.So dont know why you bring China when Comparing India and Pakistan.
 
Afghans and Iranians (Persians) have historically been very racist towards Indian and often gone down to shameful depths of taunting Hindu culture and people. Some of their great generals and personalities have had very degrading words to say about Indians and Hindus historically and they are still quoted by some.

It is great to see that when India finally has an upper hand over these countries they haven't let these historical facts and events play a role in their decision making and have let bygones be bygones by accepting that. Good on India. Sign of a maturing nation that despite knowing that these people have always thought of them as lesser beings throughout history, they are still willing to make promises to invest huge sums in these counties
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
These Ziddi indian officials will never learn, Iran has said the Iran, Pak and India pipeline the best way to go, India and USA firmly against this. Even threathened Pak with sanctions..
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Sorry we will not handover 600mn USD a year and a hold on Indian energy line.Forget about it.

And who told you that Iran-India underwater pipeline is geographically impossible or unviable?The pipeline will be built bypassing Pakistan's EEZ and thats it.
 
Slog said:
Afghans and Iranians (Persians) have historically been very racist towards Indian and often gone down to shameful depths of taunting Hindu culture and people. Some of their great generals and personalities have had very degrading words to say about Indians and Hindus historically and they are still quoted by some.

It is great to see that when India finally has an upper hand over these countries they haven't let these historical facts and events play a role in their decision making and have let bygones be bygones by accepting that. Good on India. Sign of a maturing nation that despite knowing that these people have always thought of them as lesser beings throughout history, they are still willing to make promises to invest huge sums in these counties
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If we go back further in history and not just 1000 years,India has had the upper hand over these regions.

For eg.India ruled over the present Afghanistan for millenias,till the Kabul Shahis were displaced in 9th century.And the Indian generals and personalities has said similar things about them also and they are quoted till this day.

But this is not medieval times and things are not dictated by religion,but national interests.
 
Who are the buyers for Afghan or central Asian resources?

Cpec is a slam dunk. Sellers and buyers all in one.

Chabahar is at the mercy of global commodities super cycle. Not the best of time right now. Apart from India, who is the buyer of central and afghan comodities.

imagine yourself as a wholesaler, you have a huge stock in massive warehouses. Unless you have customers to take the stick off your hands, it's just stock sitting costing you money. So India is going to buy all this? There are great efforts being made by established producers to ensure they don't lose market place.

Gwadar has no such issues, seller and buyer agreements are in place.... It will be a success without a doubt.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Who are the buyers for Afghan or central Asian resources?

Cpec is a slam dunk. Sellers and buyers all in one.

Chabahar is at the mercy of global commodities super cycle. Not the best of time right now. Apart from India, who is the buyer of central and afghan comodities.

imagine yourself as a wholesaler, you have a huge stock in massive warehouses. Unless you have customers to take the stick off your hands, it's just stock sitting costing you money. So India is going to buy all this? There are great efforts being made by established producers to ensure they don't lose market place.

Gwadar has no such issues, seller and buyer agreements are in place.... It will be a success without a doubt.
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If Gwadar is such a slamdunk why are you guys so concerned about Chabahar and trying to trash it as rubbish?Its between India and Iran why are Pakistanis so concerned?

And in reply to your answer,Gwadar is dependent on one country,that country has issues and Gwadar is gone.While Chabahar will have participation from Central Asia,Europe etc and will be a shorter route to the others in Indian ocean region.

Not to mention the security condition of Pakistan.
 
cricketjoshila said:
If Gwadar is such a slamdunk why are you guys so concerned about Chabahar and trying to trash it as rubbish?Its between India and Iran why are Pakistanis so concerned?

And in reply to your answer,Gwadar is dependent on one country,that country has issues and Gwadar is gone.While Chabahar will have participation from Central Asia,Europe etc and will be a shorter route to the others in Indian ocean region.

Not to mention the security condition of Pakistan.
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It's a discussion, for the umpteenth time! Why are you so defensive.

How many times one has to explain to you, of all people should know better if you really are into mining. If you had no buyers for your coal, how much will your coal be worth?

China needs raw materials, Cpec provides them with faster, cheaper route for middle eastern and African commodities.

Afghanistan is safe route?
 
My only concern is how deluded some of you are.

Question for you, why are you so eager to post these news articles on Pakpassion?

Then ask us why we are concerned.

Come back to me when this "port" is operational.
 
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Majestic_Inzi said:
You really believe Afghani's favour India over Pakistan. Yes their have been grievances with this so called "war on terror", India trying to exploit that between two nations but keep trying... British and USA have virtually gone...

I recall China signed an deal to extract copper from Afghanistan, the deals worth $30 billion in total. Did india give them permission for that? :)))
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Oh btw that deal is $3bn not 30bn as you claimed.
 
Muddaser said:
My only concern is how deluded some of you are.

Question for you, why are you so eager to post these news articles on Pakpassion?

Then ask us why we are concerned.

Come back to me when this "port" is operational.
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The OP is a Pakistani.He posted the news and as usual some people were burnt and started whining.And why should anyone come back to you?LOL.
 
India cant we influence its bordering neighbours like Nepal and Pakistan yet somehow thinks it can gain a foothold in central asia and the persian gulf.
 
cricketjoshila said:
If Gwadar is such a slamdunk why are you guys so concerned about Chabahar and trying to trash it as rubbish?Its between India and Iran why are Pakistanis so concerned?

And in reply to your answer,Gwadar is dependent on one country,that country has issues and Gwadar is gone.While Chabahar will have participation from Central Asia,Europe etc and will be a shorter route to the others in Indian ocean region.

Not to mention the security condition of Pakistan.
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You think the security situation in Afghanistan is better than Pakistan.:)))

China does not own Gwadar port, if they dont want to use the port they will not take the ports and roads with them. :)).

Pakistan port can still lead to Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan etc even if china goes looney..
 
Bump this thread when India financed chabahar is operational.

Till then its all hot air.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
It's a discussion, for the umpteenth time! Why are you so defensive.

How many times one has to explain to you, of all people should know better if you really are into mining. If you had no buyers for your coal, how much will your coal be worth?

China needs raw materials, Cpec provides them with faster, cheaper route for middle eastern and African commodities.

Afghanistan is safe route?
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1.Discussion of basically saying Gwadar is great and Chabahar rubbish?

2.I am into commodities which is why i know the significance of this port.This port will bring down the cost and time of transit for trade to and from Central Asia and Europe.Right now the route is through the M.sea and Red Sea and through that area which is also very sensitive.This route will be through Iran till border of Azerbaijan,Russia and Caspian sea.There by cutting the cost and time for all trade that is between Central Asia/Eastern Europe and South Asia.

3.India wont trade with other countries through Afghanistan but through Iran,which is a stable country.Also for Afghanistan the route 606 is a safer route to trade via Chabahar.
 
Muddaser said:
India cant we influence its bordering neighbours like Nepal and Pakistan yet somehow thinks it can gain a foothold in central asia and the persian gulf.
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India just forced Nepal to change its constitution.With over 40% of Nepalese being Madhesis India can start a civil war in Nepal if it so desires.
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
You think the security situation in Afghanistan is better than Pakistan.:)))
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Do you even know the route that is being proposed?Any idea?Laughing at your own ignorance is called not so wise.

China does not own Gwadar port, if they dont want to use the port they will not take the ports and roads with them. :)).
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You can keep them.

Pakistan port can still lead to Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan etc even if china goes looney..
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By which route and through which country?
 
cricketjoshila said:
1.Discussion of basically saying Gwadar is great and Chabahar rubbish?

2.I am into commodities which is why i know the significance of this port.This port will bring down the cost and time of transit for trade to and from Central Asia and Europe.Right now the route is through the M.sea and Red Sea and through that area which is also very sensitive.This route will be through Iran till border of Azerbaijan,Russia and Caspian sea.There by cutting the cost and time for all trade that is between Central Asia/Eastern Europe and South Asia.

3.India wont trade with other countries through Afghanistan but through Iran,which is a stable country.Also for Afghanistan the route 606 is a safer route to trade via Chabahar.
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2) Europe is not Irans best buddy, they wont be trading over their.

3) You are after Afghans natural resources in the Bumiyan region, this is the only option for you to receive the commodities. If Iran tells you to go away, india will be buggered.

Also you specialise in MOU for BCCI also..
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
2) Europe is not Irans best buddy, they wont be trading over their.

3) You are after Afghans natural resources in the Bumiyan region, this is the only option for you to receive the commodities. If Iran tells you to go away, india will be buggered.

Also you specialise in MOU for BCCI also..
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1.The sanctions are gone.Everyone trades with Iran now.Europeans understand business and interest first.Europe was one of the biggest markets of Iran before sanctions.Remember how Iran and Us tied up againist Taliban.Chabahar is another option for NATO to transport into Afghanistan by passing Karachi.

2.Why will Iran ask us to leave?Because Pakistanis wish so?There is another route as well,the land route through Turkmenistan into Caspian then through Volga Don Canal into the Black Sea.

Also that MoU between BCCI and PCB was subject to so many conditions and not legally enforceable which is why PCB could not do jack about it.
 
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cricketjoshila said:
1.Discussion of basically saying Gwadar is great and Chabahar rubbish?

2.I am into commodities which is why i know the significance of this port.This port will bring down the cost and time of transit for trade to and from Central Asia and Europe.Right now the route is through the M.sea and Red Sea and through that area which is also very sensitive.This route will be through Iran till border of Azerbaijan,Russia and Caspian sea.There by cutting the cost and time for all trade that is between Central Asia/Eastern Europe and South Asia.

3.India wont trade with other countries through Afghanistan but through Iran,which is a stable country.Also for Afghanistan the route 606 is a safer route to trade via Chabahar.
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1. Gwadar will be great but chabahar is not rubbish. But it's not the Jewel that it's made out to be. If it was the case India would be rushing to invest, which they are dragging their feet over. Why is Iran running out of patience with India over it.

2. Iran will happily give up its market share for gas from Central Asia? Do you know how much gas Iran has? It will be in direct battle with Qatar for large customers. Why do you think they are so eager for Pakistan to hurry up the pipeline? Iran needs buyers, not facilitate others to steal their customers. Do you think Iranians are stupid? If you are into commodities then you know that unless you have buyers, your commodity is worth nothing. Why do you think the Saudis have been trying to kill US oil shale with over supply. Gwadar is a slam dunk because the It cuts down time and transport costs for China. Any other route is longer and more expensive. Will India cut Saudi share of its oil imports?

3. Iranians want India to hold true to what they were boasting before. Time for continuous MOU is over and show them the money.

4. Just a point on Nepal, the only thing you succeeded in is pushing it towards China. It's started to make overtures to get supplies from China. Small in quantity for now, but the dye has been cast.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Go read history of Nepal and the divide between Madhesis and Pahadis and the recent happenings.You have no knowledge of these things yet you come and comment.
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Tell me where madhesis have been included in the nepali constitution?

Nepal has china to back it up now.

Modi effect.
 
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Eagle_Eye said:
1. Gwadar will be great but chabahar is not rubbish. But it's not the Jewel that it's made out to be. If it was the case India would be rushing to invest, which they are dragging their feet over. Why is Iran running out of patience with India over it.
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1.Gwadar is all China that is it,China stops so does that port.Iran was under sanctions so it was very difficult to get that deal going and since the sanctions are gone Chabahar port will be developed.


2. Iran will happily give up its market share for gas from Central Asia? Do you know how much gas Iran has? It will be in direct battle with Qatar for large customers. Why do you think they are so eager for Pakistan to hurry up the pipeline? Iran needs buyers, not facilitate others to steal their customers. Do you think Iranians are stupid? If you are into commodities then you know that unless you have buyers, your commodity is worth nothing. Why do you think the Saudis have been trying to kill US oil shale with over supply. Gwadar is a slam dunk because the It cuts down time and transport costs for China. Any other route is longer and more expensive. Will India cut Saudi share of its oil imports?
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Iran and India are already close to signing a 4.5bn deal for a underwater pipeline to transport gas to India.But even Iran cannot supply the whole of south Asia.So Central Asian gas will also be required to fulfill the energy needs.The energy needs of the world is rising by the day.Qatar is nowhere near this area of Caspian to supply anything.Pakistan's commitment to anything in Iran is at best sketchy because of the Saudi influence in Pakistan.

Gwadar is dependent on China,thats it.Chabahar is for Central Asia,Afghanistan,Russia and even Europe.Do the maths.

India has been cutting its imports from Saudi for sometime.Increasing import from Russia,South America and Iran.

3. Iranians want India to hold true to what they were boasting before. Time for continuous MOU is over and show them the money.
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Let the Iranians decide what they want,not Pakistanis.The Sanctions have just been lifted and the project will proceed.

4. Just a point on Nepal, the only thing you succeeded in is pushing it towards China. It's started to make overtures to get supplies from China. Small in quantity for now, but the dye has been cast.
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The thing we succeded was to further strenthen our hold in Madhesi community.Nepal can only get small supplies from China due to the terrain.Its dependent on India for majority of its supplies and yes every now and then some communist govt comes to power and goes to China.The last Maoist govt did the same 5 years down the line,the party broke into 3 and lost power.

The influence of India in Nepal is manifold,from the Army to the Preists that do Worship in Nepal's National Temple all are within India's sphere of influence.A large part of Nepali business is controlled by India.

Even recently it was India that had to convince the Madhesis to give up their blockade after constitutional amendments were passed in Nepal to satisfy the mahesis.Now before you say anything,read up who are madhesis,where they live and their popultion and connection with India.
 
Muddaser said:
Tell me where madhesis have been included in the nepali constitution?

Nepal has china to back it up now.

Modi effect.
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China couldnot do anything to help Nepal tide over its shortages when Madhesis blocked the highways to India.This China card has been played by some Pahadis an Commies of Nepal many times,result is a ZERO.The reason is terrain and hence difficult transport and very high cost of goods.

Out of the 3 demands by Madhesis 2 have been met by constitutional amendments,including that of representation by population.

Madhesis are closeto 40% of Nepali population and they inhabitat all the bordering areas of Nepal with India.
 
Now Pakistani posters bringing MoU between BCCI & PCB,lol how desperate you guys are?

I doubt even many people in India have concerns about this port like Pakistanis do :))
 
Bakasura said:
Wow,so many projects in so short time...Pakistan will become Suppa power before India finishes Chabahar :(
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this fixation with being a super power, i'm assuming you get to have 3 meals a day you got a roof on your head and probably have a nice cosy job.

But have some feeling for your brothers and sisters in the hundreds and millions who cannot even guarantee a meal to their families.

Hundred of millions... Thats a real tragedy. Thats population of europe...
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
this fixation with being a super power, i'm assuming you get to have 3 meals a day you got a roof on your head and probably have a nice cosy job.

But have some feeling for your brothers and sisters in the hundreds and millions who cannot even guarantee a meal to their families.

Hundred of millions... Thats a real tragedy. Thats population of europe...
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Have some feeling for your Pakistani brothers and sisters who are not even guaranteed their safety.
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
I only wish elements from indian govt stop training rebel groups in pakistan to futher their own goals.
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Give the proof to UN and the world.Get them sanctioned.Holding Press conferences with a video clip is not going to convince anyone.There is no proof that Indian agencies are doing anything in Pakistan except what all agencies do which is spying.
 
cricketjoshila said:
2.I am into commodities which is why i know the significance of this port.This port will bring down the cost and time of transit for trade to and from Central Asia and Europe.Right now the route is through the M.sea and Red Sea and through that area which is also very sensitive.This route will be through Iran till border of Azerbaijan,Russia and Caspian sea.There by cutting the cost and time for all trade that is between Central Asia/Eastern Europe and South Asia..
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Seen a map lately?

If the intention is to use an Iranian seaport, and then via land through Iran, Azerbaijan, Russia and onwards to Eastern Europe, an Iranian port at the northern tip of the Persian Gulf would be a far better choice economically than one at the opposite eastern end of Iran.
 
Yossarian said:
Seen a map lately?

If the intention is to use an Iranian seaport, and then via land through Iran, Azerbaijan, Russia and onwards to Eastern Europe, an Iranian port at the northern tip of the Persian Gulf would be a far better choice economically than one at the opposite eastern end of Iran.
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There are more qualified people than you who has designed this.There is a rail line that is being built till the Azerbaijan and Caspian sea.This port is being built to avoid the sensitive persian gulf else BandarAbbas would have sufficed.
 
Wasn't Gwadar supposed to be the next Dubai ten years ago already?

Yawn.

A generation ago, it was Uncle Sam that was going to take the Pakistan to new heights. Now its Uncle Cheen. Moongeri Lal ke haseen sapne. If you don't want to get used and abused by other big nations, you have to raise yourself up first. On your own two feet.
 
Ind_Yeah said:
Wasn't Gwadar supposed to be the next Dubai ten years ago already?

Yawn.

A generation ago, it was Uncle Sam that was going to take the Pakistan to new heights. Now its Uncle Cheen. Moongeri Lal ke haseen sapne. If you don't want to get used and abused by other big nations, you have to raise yourself up first. On your own two feet.
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Well We've also been hearing for 2 decades about how India is On the cusp of being declared a superpower But what I see is gut wrenching poverty and unbelievably high number people under the poverty line (even on percentage basis)
 
cricketjoshila said:
Iran and India are already close to signing a 4.5bn deal for a underwater pipeline to transport gas to India.But even Iran cannot supply the whole of south Asia.....
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Now that will be very interesting.

A country's territorial waters extend to 12 miles but it's Exclusive Economic Zone extends to 200 miles.

The interesting thing is that while other countries are allowed to lay undersea cables and pipelines through another country's Exclusive Economic Zone, the coastal state that has the sovereign rights over the Exclusive Economic Zone also has rights and obligations that it can use to block such activity.

Rights, jurisdiction and duties of the coastal State in the exclusive economic zone

1. In the exclusive economic zone, the coastal State has:

(a) sovereign rights for the purpose of exploring and exploiting, conserving and managing the natural resources, whether living or non-living, of the waters superjacent to the seabed and of the seabed and its subsoil, and with regard to other activities for the economic exploitation and exploration of the zone, such as the production of energy from the water, currents and winds;

(b) jurisdiction as provided for in the relevant provisions of this Convention with regard to:

(i) the establishment and use of artificial islands, installations and structures;

(ii) marine scientific research;

(iii) the protection and preservation of the marine environment;

http://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/part5.htm
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Whilst undersea telecoms and power cables are not much of an issue, pipelines carrying oil and gas is a completely different ball-game. Any damage to an oil or gas carrying pipeline has major repercussions for the whole of the marine environment, and therefore the sovereign coastal state with the rights over the exclusive economic zone will have a major say over a gas or oil pipeline being laid.
 
cricketjoshila said:
There are more qualified people than you who has designed this.There is a rail line that is being built till the Azerbaijan and Caspian sea.This port is being built to avoid the sensitive persian gulf else BandarAbbas would have sufficed.
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Can't be that qualified if they haven't look at a map of the Persian Gulf, Western Iran and Eastern Europe.
 
India may not be close to being a superpower for another 50 years and thats just fine. But more than 100 million people have risen from poverty in the last 2 decades. And InshaAllah, this momentum will keep going, inspite of jealous hateful eyes.
 
Yossarian said:
Seen a map lately?

If the intention is to use an Iranian seaport, and then via land through Iran, Azerbaijan, Russia and onwards to Eastern Europe, an Iranian port at the northern tip of the Persian Gulf would be a far better choice economically than one at the opposite eastern end of Iran.
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Trans caspian pipeline. Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan will send gas to Europe via turkey. Work has already begun, much to annoyance of Iran and Russia. This is the shortest route to Europe. The resident Bharat defender is barking up the wrong tree. There will be no customers other than India for chabahar.

There is a reason why India is reluctant in spending money in chabahar. Talk is cheap. They want to lock in long term peanut price for afghan iron ore when the market is already on the floor. Even then the upfront capital spend just does not leave you with much margin. There is so much iron ore in Africa that is not being developed by majors.

The minister who signed yet another MOU, left for uae straight after Iran, presumably to reassure them that don't worry, our MOU don't mean anything.
 
cricketjoshila said:
There are more qualified people than you who has designed this.There is a rail line that is being built till the Azerbaijan and Caspian sea.This port is being built to avoid the sensitive persian gulf else BandarAbbas would have sufficed.
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So much effort maybe for the trains lines from Chabahar to Afghanistan Bamyan Province which is rich of natural resources.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Trans caspian pipeline. Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan will send gas to Europe via turkey. Work has already begun, much to annoyance of Iran and Russia. This is the shortest route to Europe. The resident Bharat defender is barking up the wrong tree. There will be no customers other than India for chabahar.

There is a reason why India is reluctant in spending money in chabahar. Talk is cheap. They want to lock in long term peanut price for afghan iron ore when the market is already on the floor. Even then the upfront capital spend just does not leave you with much margin. There is so much iron ore in Africa that is not being developed by majors.

The minister who signed yet another MOU, left for uae straight after Iran, presumably to reassure them that don't worry, our MOU don't mean anything.
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I don't know enough details about the energy economics that you allude to, so will accept your word for it for now. But keep in mind, the Chabahaar port is not just driven by economics. If India can expand trade to Afghanistan by a significant percentage via this route - and it clearly will, since Pakistan just blocks India-afghanistan bilateral trade through its territory - thats a win. And if Afghanistan has a secondary route to the sea that reduces its complete dependence on Pakistan, that's a strategic win for India as well. And whether you like it or not, and choose to admit it or not. Bottomline is, India can afford to invest a few hundred million dollars in this venture without any return, its really not that much money for the GoI budget.
 
Black Zero said:
I'll say it's good for Iran, if it materialized.
But I am skeptic as India is known for making huge plans without the intention of ever implementing them.

Until Pakistan have the backing of China, nothing to worry about.
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I think India has a very accomplished record when it comes to public works projects. Most likely this project will be privately managed: Jaypee or L&T would be the lead.
 
Ind_Yeah said:
I don't know enough details about the energy economics that you allude to, so will accept your word for it for now. But keep in mind, the Chabahaar port is not just driven by economics. If India can expand trade to Afghanistan by a significant percentage via this route - and it clearly will, since Pakistan just blocks India-afghanistan bilateral trade through its territory - thats a win. And if Afghanistan has a secondary route to the sea that reduces its complete dependence on Pakistan, that's a strategic win for India as well. And whether you like it or not, and choose to admit it or not. Bottomline is, India can afford to invest a few hundred million dollars in this venture without any return, its really not that much money for the GoI budget.
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You got to give your own government credit, it's not few hundred million, it's a lot more. They are in bit of a conundrum as to how let down Iran without both sides losing face.
 
You seem to feel very confident in your opinion. This is a plan with a longer time-horizon than keyboard warriors can think of. Keep in mind, the Indian government has already completed the road building pieces successfully from Delaram to Zaranj a few years ago already. Slowly but surely, the rest of the pieces will fall into place. And remember, We don't really need Uncle Sam or Uncle Cheen to finance the project. it may take some more time than ideal, but so what. Time is just one variable, and in the mean time, Iran's eastern neighbor will keep shooting itself in the foot, literally for the next few years anyway...
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
So much effort maybe for the trains lines from Chabahar to Afghanistan Bamyan Province which is rich of natural resources.
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There is highway Zarang Delaram Highway for Afghanistan to Iran.

People are mistaken if they think Chabahar is only for India and only for transport of minerals from Afghanistan to India.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Trans caspian pipeline. Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan will send gas to Europe via turkey. Work has already begun, much to annoyance of Iran and Russia. This is the shortest route to Europe. The resident Bharat defender is barking up the wrong tree. There will be no customers other than India for chabahar.

There is a reason why India is reluctant in spending money in chabahar. Talk is cheap. They want to lock in long term peanut price for afghan iron ore when the market is already on the floor. Even then the upfront capital spend just does not leave you with much margin. There is so much iron ore in Africa that is not being developed by majors.

The minister who signed yet another MOU, left for uae straight after Iran, presumably to reassure them that don't worry, our MOU don't mean anything.
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The minister is on a tour of that whole area and unlike some other country we are not lapdogs of one country and trade with most countries.

The Transcaspian pipeline has nothing to do with the Central Asian countries and Russia Caucasus Areas trade with South Asia.Seems you have no idea that a country can conduct trade in many directions.Right now as India isnt interested in TAPI that project is dead and hence the central asian countries need another way to trade with South Asia and beyond.

Pakistanis can keep wishing that Chabahar wont happen etc etc etc well it will happen with India in the lead.It may hurt you that while you guys are happy with a 36bn dole out from China,India can invest 20bn in another country.Not to forget that this gives India a strategic hold in Afghanistan.

So as much as you guys whine and diss Chabahar it doesnt matter because its neither your land nor your money hence not your decision and neither your opinion will matter to Iran or India.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
You got to give your own government credit, it's not few hundred million, it's a lot more. They are in bit of a conundrum as to how let down Iran without both sides losing face.
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Pakistani wishing Iran and India lose face.They have been wishing it since god knows when.If Pakistani wishes could harm India.
 
India’s intent to invest was made by Petroleum Minister Dharmendra Pradhan at a meeting with his Iranian counterpart Bijan Zangeneh in Tehran on Saturday.
“Pradhan conveyed to the Iranian side that Indian companies could invest upto $20 billion and were interested in setting up petrochemical and fertiliser plants, including in the Chabahar SEZ, either through joint venture between Indian and Iranian public sector companies or with private sector partners,” the statement said.
“In this regard, he requested Iran to allocate appropriate and adequate land in the SEZ. He also expressed India’s interest in setting up a LNG plant and a gas cracker in the Chabahar port,” it said.
“He also requested the Iranian side for favourable treatment in the pricing of gas for India and also supply of rich gas at competitive price and on long term basis for the life of the joint venture projects that Indian companies are interested in setting up,” it added.
In May 2014, India and Iran signed an MoU to jointly develop the port once the international sanctions against Iran were lifted.
Chabahar is located in the Gulf of Oman on the border with Pakistan, and Iran plans to turn it into a transit hub for immediate access to markets in the northern part of the Indian Ocean and Central Asia.
The statement said Pradhan also expressed India’s interest in importing LPG from Iran and said that companies from both sides could, if required, discuss setting up an extraction plant in Chabahar.
On the final day of his two-day visit to Iran on Sunday, the first visit by an Indian minister to the country since sanctions against it were lifted earlier this year, Pradhan and his delegation visited the Chabahar free trade zone and port and discussed the facilities and incentives which could be offered to Indian companies, it added.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...development/story-ShCXzf7MNodhyro3G5WYSM.html
 
cricketjoshila said:
The minister is on a tour of that whole area and unlike some other country we are not lapdogs of one country and trade with most countries.

The Transcaspian pipeline has nothing to do with the Central Asian countries and Russia Caucasus Areas trade with South Asia.Seems you have no idea that a country can conduct trade in many directions.Right now as India isnt interested in TAPI that project is dead and hence the central asian countries need another way to trade with South Asia and beyond.

Pakistanis can keep wishing that Chabahar wont happen etc etc etc well it will happen with India in the lead.It may hurt you that while you guys are happy with a 36bn dole out from China,India can invest 20bn in another country.Not to forget that this gives India a strategic hold in Afghanistan.

So as much as you guys whine and diss Chabahar it doesnt matter because its neither your land nor your money hence not your decision and neither your opinion will matter to Iran or India.
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If TAPI is dead then why is India giving go ahead for it.

Or is India just making empty grandstanding gestures once again?

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/12/tapi-pipeline-silk-route-pipe-dream-151215211343976.html

The man to the left of our ganja is your Vice President hand in hand launching the start of TAPI. Keep in mind this only a few months ago.

Turkmenistan and I think so too Kazakhstan have already signed upto trans caspian pipeline. Europeans are the one pushing for it. You don't quite seem to understand that your government is right in going like warm on chabahar. India is the customer for chabahar not Europe.
 
Indians and Pakistanis are the same, both cry babies, India raised issue about the port which Ching Chong is building now Pakistanis returning the favor by crying over the Iranian port..... Just put a sock in it and move on.........................
 
Romali_rotti said:
Indians and Pakistanis are the same, both cry babies, India raised issue about the port which Ching Chong is building now Pakistanis returning the favor by crying over the Iranian port..... Just put a sock in it and move on.........................
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Read the article about CPEC how China is buying Pakistan :))
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
this fixation with being a super power, i'm assuming you get to have 3 meals a day you got a roof on your head and probably have a nice cosy job.

But have some feeling for your brothers and sisters in the hundreds and millions who cannot even guarantee a meal to their families.

Hundred of millions... Thats a real tragedy. Thats population of europe...
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Just returning the words of some Pakistani posters..

By the way Pakistsn don't have to pay anything to China right??

China Pakistan friendship hospital...man Pakistan cannot even build hospital on its own,shows how much value for people's lives:(
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Trans caspian pipeline. Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan will send gas to Europe via turkey. Work has already begun, much to annoyance of Iran and Russia. This is the shortest route to Europe. The resident Bharat defender is barking up the wrong tree. There will be no customers other than India for chabahar.

There is a reason why India is reluctant in spending money in chabahar. Talk is cheap. They want to lock in long term peanut price for afghan iron ore when the market is already on the floor. Even then the upfront capital spend just does not leave you with much margin. There is so much iron ore in Africa that is not being developed by majors.

The minister who signed yet another MOU, left for uae straight after Iran, presumably to reassure them that don't worry, our MOU don't mean anything.
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May be you should read but more...India plan to build a fertiliser factory in Iran + there is natural gas filed which found by Indian companies that deal also happening...along with this India wants land for SEZ (ever heard about SEZ??)
 
Bakasura said:
Read the article about CPEC how China is buying Pakistan :))
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Yeah they are well on the way to owning Pak Occupied Kashmir it seems with all the roads and highways and whatever else they are doing there.. Sorry Ching Chong but you aint gonna get Indian Kashmir :P
 
Bakasura said:
May be you should read but more...India plan to build a fertiliser factory in Iran + there is natural gas filed which found by Indian companies that deal also happening...along with this India wants land for SEZ (ever heard about SEZ??)
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You should read on capital costs for gas fields.

Iran with history of western countries stealing its oil has peculiar oil and gas laws. ONGC - videsh can can spend upfront billions without actually having farzad b as an asset which it can sell if wants to in future. Iranian law prohibits foreigners from owning oil and gas assets.

SEZ - is all about Iran wanting India to spend money and industrialise the area. It reinforces my point that chabahar is for India!

The Indians are working out whether such capital costs justify the returns in the short and long term economic as well as political environment.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
You should read on capital costs for gas fields.

Iran with history of western countries stealing its oil has peculiar oil and gas laws. ONGC - videsh can can spend upfront billions without actually having farzad b as an asset which it can sell if wants to in future. Iranian law prohibits foreigners from owning oil and gas assets.

SEZ - is all about Iran wanting India to spend money and industrialise the area. It reinforces my point that chabahar is for India!

The Indians are working out whether such capital costs justify the returns in the short and long term economic as well as political environment.
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What are you blabbering man? India wants to build SEZ so it benefits Indian companies [Private or Govt.]

Gas field is discovered by Indian companies some time ago now negotiating with Iran...

Why you guys so desperate?
 
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