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It is day 2, and pakistan has just scored 310, one whole day has been wasted due to rain and there is a forecast of rain tommarow aswell.

This match could likely end up being a draw.

But if pakistan were to win this game, what are they suppose to do?
 
Draw is the most probable result. Pakistan need to score 50/60 quick runs tomorrow and declare or get bowled out in the process. After that we need to hope that Aussies will collapse
 
We will lose even more overs.

Look on the bright side.

We manage to draw a test in Australia after many years....

And if all goes according to plan, we can level the series in Sydney.
 
Plan is to win the series

Yes normally.

But we have 270 overs remaining and if we are really lucky we would get 250 out of them.

That means Pakistan has to collapse tomorrow within a couple of hours with 350.

Then they have to do a Houdini act and bowl out Australia for 150-200.

Then they have to bat at 4 an over for at least two sessions to give a target of 350 and one day at least to give a chance to bowl Australia out again.

Not impossible, but a result looks highly improbable.

Unless Australia collapse twice within 3 days and Pakistan collapse within 2 hours tomorrow.
 
Yes normally.

But we have 270 overs remaining and if we are really lucky we would get 250 out of them.

That means Pakistan has to collapse tomorrow within a couple of hours with 350.

Then they have to do a Houdini act and bowl out Australia for 150-200.

Then they have to bat at 4 an over for at least two sessions to give a target of 350 and one day at least to give a chance to bowl Australia out again.

Not impossible, but a result looks highly improbable.

Unless Australia collapse twice within 3 days and Pakistan collapse within 2 hours tomorrow.

Bat at 5 an over till lunch and get to 400+

bowl at australia from 2nd session and bowl them out in morning session day 4 with atleast a 150 run lead intact

bat till midway 3rd session of day 4 at a crazy rate to get your lead around 320-330

Hope Yasir works his magic on day 5
 
Bat at 5 an over till lunch and get to 400+

bowl at australia from 2nd session and bowl them out in morning session day 4 with atleast a 150 run lead intact

bat till midway 3rd session of day 4 at a crazy rate to get your lead around 320-330

Hope Yasir works his magic on day 5

This is exactly our best chance. Tomorrow am is crucial we need to bat as long as possible
 
Guys !!, we need to remember that, in order for us to win we need to take 20 wickets

Smith (2wice)
Warner (2wice)
Khwaja (2wice)
Handscom (2wice)

These ten wickets are the key while I believe even if we get 5 from these ten cheaply, we can surely run through the others with relative ease !!
 
Bat at 5 an over till lunch and get to 400+

bowl at australia from 2nd session and bowl them out in morning session day 4 with atleast a 150 run lead intact

bat till midway 3rd session of day 4 at a crazy rate to get your lead around 320-330

Hope Yasir works his magic on day 5

What if there are more rain interruptions?:ibutt
 
Guys !!, we need to remember that, in order for us to win we need to take 20 wickets

Smith (2wice)
Warner (2wice)
Khwaja (2wice)
Handscom (2wice)

These ten wickets are the key while I believe even if we get 5 from these ten cheaply, we can surely run through the others with relative ease !!

I can count only 8 from the above list.:srini
 
I don't think Pakistan has the bowling strength to take 20 aussie wickets in these conditions.

So no, I don't think Pak can win this test.
 
If you are looking for a win :

Score 350 tomorrow and declare.

Bowl aussies out for around or below 200 in the next 2 sessions.

Bat for 2 sessions on 4th day and extend the lead beyond 350. Be brave and Declare with the target for aussies to be around 350 in 4 sessions.

If you are looking for a improbable win/probable draw:

Bat tomorrow till you get all out. Preferably score 420+

Lots of time would be lost so Try to bowl out australia cheaply who will be now looking to draw the game which might cause the loss of more overs due to their defensive tactics. Bat again and get a good third innings lead. Probably Pakistan would be already in day 5 by this time. Bowl well and hope for an aussie collapse in last 2 sessions. Otherwise be happy with a draw.
 
We have avoided a whitewash, which is a positive. Can settle for a 2-0 series loss now.
 
We have avoided a whitewash, which is a positive. Can settle for a 2-0 series loss now.

not out of the woods yet if Australia scores 50 runs either side our score with 3-4 sessions still to go we can still lose.
 
If we score 450 until 2pm with tail wagging and no more rain than tired and down aussies will be under pressure. With no more rain we can win this. Wicket has bounce, quick sharp turn and if it doesn't rain further ball will reverse aswell. So we can win it.
 
Forecast for day 3 is good. Day 4 maybe a few hours will be lost and day 5 it is clear again. Anything can happen.
 
The thing about the bad weather, is that not only is potential time lost, but if the showers persist on an on-off basis, it might also lead to a wet ball and therefore make it harder for Yasir to grip the ball and get turn and make reverse swing less of an issue.
 
Forecast for day 3 is good. Day 4 maybe a few hours will be lost and day 5 it is clear again. Anything can happen.

I hope our players have this much belief.

Australia begging to go off before lunch shows they are rattled and lost. We need to hit some heavy blows tomorrow and look to score as close to 450 as we get.

Put some pressure on and this can easily be our game.
 
Objectively headed for a draw. Having said that, it's always good to have teams not know exactly what to do when they are out there. Pakistan will going doing everything to win, whereas Australia might feel that they just don't have the time to do anything other than play for a draw. Could lead to some interesting decision-making. Y their batsmen.
 
We have avoided a whitewash, which is a positive. Can settle for a 2-0 series loss now.

That is such a negative and poor post. You're overrating the Australians considerably. What Pakistan lacks in star power, they make up for it somewhat in guts and determination.
 
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I think this thread encapsulates it . . really unfortunate, because all the signs are that Paksitan could have played a very very good match here . . the pitch, the spin that lyon extracted, the runs we have already put on the board . . its sad!

Anyway, if I were to paint a scenario . .

1.) They plan to make up an hour a day if I am not mistaken, which is 14 to 15 overs . . I am going to count that as bogus because it's not going to happen for weather as well as over rates . . so let's forget that!

2.) Discount point number 1, there are a possible 90 overs a day so meaning we have 270 overs left in the test match . .

3.) For us to have any chance of winning, the maximum overs we can lose are about 50 in the next 3 days . . so that leaves us with 220 overs

4.) In the 220 overs, Pakistan has to bowl Australia out in about 180 overs . .

5.) Assuming Australia will bat at 3.2 an over in those 180 overs, they should have a match total of about 550 runs . .

6.) That in essence means . . Pakistan will have to score a further 250 runs in the 50 overs maximum they can bat . .

and that, is the best case scenario :-)

Coming back to reality:

We will lose another 80 to a 100 overs in this test match . .
Pakistan will dominate the rest of the game and on Day 5, we will all be creating threads about how we should be have been 1 - 1 because we played so well but got really unlucky!
 
There are only 2 possible results : Australia win or draw. The latter looks more likely as of now.

But won't be surprised if Australia end up winning. They just have to clean up the tail for not more than 50 runs and bat for 450 at a decent rate (Warner is due for a big score in tests, I feel this is going to happen in this test). If that happens, there is every chance that we witness a Pakistan collapse giving a target of around 50 for Australia.
 
That is such a negative and poor post. You're overrating the Australians considerably. What Pakistan lacks in star power, they make up for it somewhat in guts and determination.

Exactly, we almost won in the 1st Test to and have fought well in the second thus far; if anything the Aussies can thank the heavens. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is generally biased against Pakistan, if England were playing AUS here he'd advocate their greatness in fact he did just that when they lost 2-0 to pak in the UAE.
 
Forecast isn't good. This'll be a rain affected draw.

A damn shame, we started off well in this Test and had a fantastic opportunity to win; now we'll have to settle for a drawn series :(
 
Well if we are to win this then Pakistan will have to up the RR and try to get a big score as soon as possible then try to get Australia to follow and hand them an innings defeat. If Pakistan are to win this they are going to have to do it with an innings to spare.
 
I think Pakistan needs to play safe here. Get 400+. Because if we declare and go on to lose this game this will ve bad for us. Pakistan needs to get a score that allows us to win or draw it.

The whole match will depend on the way australia plays the second innings. I have hope as sohail khan is there. Pakistan only needs to concentrate on 4 batsmen....
 
I think the rain has really pushed this game into Pakistans favour. They are the only team who can win now, the pitch will have something in it because of the weather and the Aussie batsmen will be under heaps of scoreboard pressure.
Really think Pakistan can run through the aussie batsmen in the first innings.
 
Tomorrow, we must go bonkers in the first 10 overs. If we can get 50-60 runs, that's perfect.

Declare after that and bowl with intensity. We need to get them out tomorrow or early on day four as we need to set a total.

You simply can't go and bat any longer as Australia will then play for a draw.
 
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There is not enough time for Aus to win this game from here on so only one team can win. Now I think it will be hard for Pakistan to take 20 wickets as well so likely a draw here.

If Pakistan plays for too long then draw is even more likely. Pakistan has already played 100+ overs with only 3 days left. Winning games on flat tracks is hard if you are still batting on 3rd day.
 
It boils down to captaincy and weather

If weather is not too bad and we get to make some of the overs lost, Misbah has to be aggressive for once. We have to take 3 to 4 wickets a session and bowl with a purpose. Close in attacking fields for amir and sohail

Short leg and short pitched fast stuff from wahab

and Sri Lanka like spin web fielding for yasir so no edge goes down.

Be creative? If outfield is wet save the ball and bowl yasir to warner very early

FINALLY CANNPT TUK TUK NOW AT ALL or we might even lose here if aussises chase lead at 6 an over
 
Unless there is further rain, 294 overs are possible with 102 so far; so that's about 400 in total which is like Lunch on Day 5 - probably 70%-80% of Tests these days actually finish earlier than that time. I think, there is enough time not only for PAK to win, but AUS as well. Not saying, a direct result is certain, but PAK 353 & 256, AUS 450 & 161/8 - that's about 3 runs/over in 400 overs.

But, I think both teams will need to show initiatives for a result here - may be couple of declaration can help. Had it been Mac/Virat vs Smith; definitely there would have been direct result; or had it been Cook/Misbah/Mathews - it was a certain draw. Now we are stuck in between ..............
 
We have avoided a whitewash, which is a positive. Can settle for a 2-0 series loss now.

I don't think you have been following the tests or series, from day 2 on the first test Pakistan has been on an equal footing with Australia and in some sessions even done better than them.

Even the biased Aussie commies pointed it out, but here we have 'Pakistani' fans putting down their own team.
 
I think the only way for Pakistan is via the follow on route. Ideally need to get to 450-470 batting the whole of the extended first session. The bowlers can get enough rest through rain breaks on the 4th day.
 
The betting odds currently are:

Australia win: 7.2 (implied probability of 14%)
Pakistan win: 11.5 (implied probability of 9%)
Draw: 1.27 (implied probability of 77%).
 
If Pakistan manage to get 350-360, Australia will look to come hard Warner will play like he does and if he stays, then expect Aussies to get 400 inside 70-80 overs making it hard for Pakistan come the 2nd Innings.
 
Pak will be all out for 400.

Aus will bat out the remaining days on this flat wicket. A boring draw.

Aus have prepared flat beds again after SA gave them a phainty (without their best batsman and bowler). Probably hoping that on flat wickets, they can at least hope for a draw against Pak.
 
The only way we can win this from here is that we add 90 runs to get to 400 in the first 15-20 overs on day 3. Then we declare and bowl out Australia for under 200, enforce follow on and dismiss them in quick time for 250 or something and then chase down the tiny target with fading light and diminishing numbers of overs on day 5.
 
Pakistan bowling has to respond here , they need couple of bowlers to stand up and get 5 fer .

Bowl with real passion , and get 20 wickets
 
Put on quick 50-80 more runs before lunch and take 6-8 Australian wickets before the end of days play and Pakistan will be in with a great chance to force a result in this game. Apart from that, draw is the only result in sight at the moment.
 
It is very difficult with more rain predicted on the 4th Day.

It's a shame because Pak had a chance of winning this game.

Had it not rained, Pak could have amassed a total around 400 and most importantly, the pitch would have been exposed to the sun and allowing for the pitch to break up much quicker (meaning Yasir would have been effective potentially by Day 3).
 
We would have to bat 2 sessions and try and score about 550 Runs. Then we would have to bowl them out for less then 150 and enforce the follow on.

We would still have 5 session at least from there on to bowl them out and then we would have to try and bowl them out again. (Basically the Bowlers are going to have to bowl extremely well)

It seems very unlikely but not impossible.
 
From the memory India scored 450 in the 1st test inning
 
We have avoided a whitewash, which is a positive. Can settle for a 2-0 series loss now.

Lol you thought we would be hammered in every game yet since day 3 of the 1st test we have been competing with Australia. Your favourite team England didn't even challenge Australia in one game the last time they toured.
 
Salams guy,
I think Pak should continue batting untill tea. Score around 550 inshaAllah and then we only have to worry about 2 innings meaning bowl Australia out cheaply in the 1st innings and make them follow on and hopefully yasir can do a little something with the ball on day 5.
Setting 550 in the first innings will demoralise Australia and they will only be thinking of the draw. That my friend can only benefit Pakistan.
Let's see how it goes
 
No point in declaration. No time for three innings left.

Score 500+...and try to enforce follow on.
 
No point in declaration. No time for three innings left.

Score 500+...and try to enforce follow on.

Still need a break for the bowlers, maybe even 20 overs, unless Australia collapse for under 200 in their 1st inns.
 
Prompt change in plan needed boys.

Should not declare atleast next 10 overs.

I will say continue batting like this and declare at 500. It shouldn't take more than 10-12 overs to get to 500 from here. Aim should be to have Aus batting twice and hope for the best. Quick runs here changed the equation. Only issue can be Pakistan bowling a lot and there is not much gap between 2nd and 3rd test. Pakistan also has 4 bowlers.
 
Still too easy to bat on this pitch, 20 wickets aren't happening unless Australia mess it up. This wicket is as flat as it gets
 
Still too easy to bat on this pitch, 20 wickets aren't happening unless Australia mess it up. This wicket is as flat as it gets

Yah, wicket is very easy to bat , but when you put up runs on board then second team has to score them. Anything can happen. If Aus gets one big partnership, game will end in a draw , but Aus has lots of newbies.
 
What more just said that. Waqar
Was saying let
Azhar get double
Hundred and declare.

What's the point of wasting time just for double? Either keep slogging for the next 10 overs to get close to 500 or simply declare it during lunch.
 
It's almost certainly a draw.

The priority should be to grind down Hazlewood and Starc in the hope that one will be rested for Sydney and both will be down on pace.

And get a big enough score to put scoreboard pressure on Australia.
 
This is a 500 wicket.

I admire Azhar's concentration, but this innings of 205* was equivalent to about 50 in the Hamilton and Christchurch Tests.
 
Defensive field for Yasir with packed leg side is not the way to go. Aus batsmen looked unsure when they had to play on off side.
 
This is a 500 wicket.

I admire Azhar's concentration, but this innings of 205* was equivalent to about 50 in the Hamilton and Christchurch Tests.

Doesn't matter how much it's worth. It's worth enough to not hear about "ATG Pakistani batsman " term anymore..
 
Doesn't matter how much it's worth. It's worth enough to not hear about "ATG Pakistani batsman " term anymore..

Do you mean GOAT Pakistan batsman in Australia?

That's available for Azhar Ali. Needs another 225 runs! :)
 
Not with the captaincy, field placements and lack of fortune so far. Very disappointing.
 
Pakistan can win it if the bowlers perform well. Fielders must take the catches properly.
Also batsmen should be more cautious enough in the 2nd innings. Someone must play a big 100 if needed.

Lastly if luck favors them then nothing can stop Pakistan from winning this test match.
 
It is day 2, and pakistan has just scored 310, one whole day has been wasted due to rain and there is a forecast of rain tommarow aswell.

This match could likely end up being a draw.

But if pakistan were to win this game, what are they suppose to do?
Yes. Possible. I think you are asking of Australia win
 
Yeah, still backing Pakistan for the moral win here. All's possible folks, let's not lose hope.
 
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