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Is Aamer Yamin the fast bowling all-rounder Pakistan team needs?

Realistically, at 5'7, his bowling potential is even worse than Hasan Ali's, unless he encounters a pink ball on a greentop.

He can never be a true all-rounder. At most he can become a Paul Collingwood or a Doug Walters or a Younis Khan, bowling a couple of 4 over spells between overs 40 and 80 in a Test match to keep the real bowlers fresh.

So he would have to get into the team on batting merit. An acceptable Test for him would involve batting at Number 6 and innings by innings delivering:

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Junaids said:
Realistically, at 5'7, his bowling potential is even worse than Hasan Ali's, unless he encounters a pink ball on a greentop.

He can never be a true all-rounder. At most he can become a Paul Collingwood or a Doug Walters or a Younis Khan, bowling a couple of 4 over spells between overs 40 and 80 in a Test match to keep the real bowlers fresh.

So he would have to get into the team on batting merit. An acceptable Test for him would involve batting at Number 6 and innings by innings delivering:

8-1-30-0
70
8-2-30-1
20
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Just like pace, height isn't everything even though I agree, it is very beneficial.

Yamin averages 28 with a SR of 55 in First Class which honestly isn't that bad, especially, as his main bowling role will not be to take wickets, rather to bowl 7-12 overs in a to keep the other bowlers fresh.

And his very main role in the team will be to bat, it becomes even easier to slot him in now as hopefully Shafiq has become a permanent at 3, meaning Yamin can easily be placed at 6!

Yes, he is not the greatest, but he is the best we have and we gotta make do with what we have.
 
Junaids said:
Realistically, at 5'7, his bowling potential is even worse than Hasan Ali's, unless he encounters a pink ball on a greentop.

He can never be a true all-rounder. At most he can become a Paul Collingwood or a Doug Walters or a Younis Khan, bowling a couple of 4 over spells between overs 40 and 80 in a Test match to keep the real bowlers fresh.

So he would have to get into the team on batting merit. An acceptable Test for him would involve batting at Number 6 and innings by innings delivering:

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70
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Tbh, I follow your posts a lot but it seems nowadays you give too much attention to height. I mean, ok, a fast-medium bowler must have height but there are other things to consider as well like swing, seam, variation, changes in pace, avg. pace, bounce generated etc etc.

Would you care to explain why you give such importance to height??
 
The guy should be given a genuine chance, he didnt do too bad when he was given the zimbabwe games. He is the type of guy who will come good more often than not.
 
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Junaids said:
Realistically, at 5'7, his bowling potential is even worse than Hasan Ali's, unless he encounters a pink ball on a greentop.

He can never be a true all-rounder. At most he can become a Paul Collingwood or a Doug Walters or a Younis Khan, bowling a couple of 4 over spells between overs 40 and 80 in a Test match to keep the real bowlers fresh.

So he would have to get into the team on batting merit. An acceptable Test for him would involve batting at Number 6 and innings by innings delivering:

8-1-30-0
70
8-2-30-1
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Even worse than Hasan Ali's?

Hasan's bowling is actually very very good. He'll show that in the upcoming games. He's a genuine bowler.
 
Junaids said:
Realistically, at 5'7, his bowling potential is even worse than Hasan Ali's, unless he encounters a pink ball on a greentop.

He can never be a true all-rounder. At most he can become a Paul Collingwood or a Doug Walters or a Younis Khan, bowling a couple of 4 over spells between overs 40 and 80 in a Test match to keep the real bowlers fresh.

So he would have to get into the team on batting merit. An acceptable Test for him would involve batting at Number 6 and innings by innings delivering:

8-1-30-0
70
8-2-30-1
20
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Height is important for a specialist bowler or someone who tries to get pace and bounce. Yamin just needs to swing it a little, bowl cutters and slow balls, and a good line and length- skills that don't require a tall height.
 
Hadi Rizvi said:
Tbh, I follow your posts a lot but it seems nowadays you give too much attention to height. I mean, ok, a fast-medium bowler must have height but there are other things to consider as well like swing, seam, variation, changes in pace, avg. pace, bounce generated etc etc.

Would you care to explain why you give such importance to height??
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With pleasure, thanks for asking.

Seam, swing and pace are very useful. But in reality, overs 20-80 with each ball in a Test match - and the whole of ODI's - are played in unhelpful bowling conditions with a soft ball with a flat seam being bowled on a grassless wicket.

There may be brief periods of reverse swing, but closer scrutiny of ball tampering has minimised such opportunities.

So bowlers have to build pressure with their line and length.

The target for a quick bowler is the top of off-stump.

For a tall bowler, he can bowl a full length and get lift which makes him impossible to drive off the front foot or cut or pull off the back foot. The likes of Hazelwood, McGrath or Broad are difficult to score off. They have around 12 inches of leeway in length. If they can land the ball consistently on an open handkerchief one foot long and one foot wide, they will be fine.

The same is not true of short bowlers like Hasan Ali or Aamer Yamin. A fraction too full and they will be driven. A fraction short and they will be cut or pulled. Rather than an open handkerchief, they have to be able to hit a twelve inch ruler, every single ball.

It means that they have to justify their position in the top six (Yamin) or top seven (Hasan Ali) or else they don't merit a place in the team.

Waqar Younis took a lot of wickets in the West Indies in 92-93. But the opposition scored so freely due to his shortness (6'0) that he single-handedly lost Pakistan the world championship season.
 
To be equally effective:

Rahat Ali at 6'3 has to be able to land the ball on a 15 inch laptop case placed on a good length.

Amad Butt at 6'0 has to be able to hit an iPad case placed on the same location.

Hasan Ali at 5'9 needs to be able to hit an iPhone case.

Aamer Yamin at 5'7 needs to be able to hit a matchbox.

And they need to be able to hit their target every single time they aim at.
 
Would he be a batting all rounder? His stats aren't very impressive.

Based on List A & T20 stats, Imad Wasim appear to be a much better player whom we are not very pleased with yet.
 
Aamer yamin bowling 139-140 good for pakistan cricket.
 
definitely added some pace before he was in the low 120s, now in the mid 130s, nothing special but it makes him serviceable to get some overs done in ODIs.

I still Hammad is the best choice, but Yamin never deserved to get dropped. Hope we see more of him especially with the bat as the recent domestic season was rough for him.

Either way hope he gets a chance at 7 for Pakistan
 
Dunno what Yamin you are talking about he was always early to mid 130 bowler and it looks like he has added 2ks of pace as well.
 
Real shame, especially as frauds like Tanvir will use this against him, but yamin is far better than that shot
 
Adil_94 said:
pathetic shot under pressure absolutely bottled it.
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Unfortunately i have noticed this thing in him in at least one domestic match. At that time he came to bat one down and Some pressure was created on him by blocking his singles and it appeared as if he was bottling it.

I hope he isnt a complete bottler becayse he looks genuinely good.
 
Madplayer said:
Unfortunately i have noticed this thing in him in at least one domestic match. At that time he came to bat one down and Some pressure was created on him by blocking his singles and it appeared as if he was bottling it.

I hope he isnt a complete bottler becayse he looks genuinely good.
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He's an aggressive player so I am guessing he is a bottler too. :stokes :kohli2 :root
 
Madplayer said:
I hope not. After razzak , Pakistan has not seen a player with strong nerves.
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Misbah ul-Haq, Shoaib Malik, Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq, and Mohammad Amir are the only ones that I can think of who turn up in big matches.
 
Rayyman said:
Misbah ul-Haq, Shoaib Malik, Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq, and Mohammad Amir are the only ones that I can think of who turn up in big matches.
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Amir and Malik aside in the world t20 and Azhar vs Sri Lanka 2013 sure I get that. When have misbah and Asad showed up and won us a big game ?
 
cricketInsight said:
Would he be a batting all rounder? His stats aren't very impressive.

Based on List A & T20 stats, Imad Wasim appear to be a much better player whom we are not very pleased with yet.
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Had a disastrous domestic season that have naturally hit his stats badly. However he is decent enough to do a job for us . I still feel Hammad Azam is better suited to what we need, but in his absence Yamin is the best bet right now. Plus yamin never deserved to be dropped in the first place. Didn't do anything wrong
 
Misbah has done well in big games, but we have lost most of them
Ex:
83* vs SL in 2011 (W) WC match
96* vs WI in 2013 (L) 1st match of CT
80 vs SA in 2013 (W) SA were up 2-1 before this game
76 vs Ind in 2015 (L) WC match
etc.
Most of Shafiq's hundreds are under pressure as he comes in at 6. I can't recall him scoring in a dead rubber either; And only 1 out of his 10 hundreds is against Ban/Zim. So they were all big matches since they were in the middle of a Test series.

Anyway, this is a Yamin thread and from what I have seen so far, he isn't the calm and cool type of player.
 
I don't get the buzz around Yamin.

He's as inconsistent as you get with a batsman, a poor mans Afridi.
 
He is a number 6 batsman who can bowl abit and successfully on seaming surfaces.

Quicker he realises this himself the better it will be for Pakistan Cricket and himself aswell.


He is not a genuine allrounder and he is sent in too late.


One match he is going to be hit on the up and he will be termed useless. Which would be wrong.
 
I hope selectors are watching this guy. He can be useful in our T20 side.
 
Unlucky guy..!!Anwar ali has huge backing and this guy has no support .he is better than that useless

cricketer .i don,t see him get selected for w.i tour
 
Wasn't too comfortable against pace.

But would like to see him more. Needs to be given a chance . we don't have any options anyway.

Prefers leg side.
 
Yamin should be in both loi squads. This should be the odi lineup for WI:

1. Fakhar Zaman
2. Shehzad
3. Babar Azam
4. Malik
5. Sarfaraz
6. Yamin
7. Imad Wasim
8. Shadab Khan
9. Sohail Khan
10. Amir
11. Hassan Ali
 
I didn't see him struggling at all. Even in domestic he's never struggled against pace. Not sure where this is coming from.

What he lacks is game sense. He's not a total dud like Umar but he hasn't been taught well. In his defence, he hasn't been given many chances up the order to learn how to build an innings. After a quick start, strike rotation was all that was necessary to keep up the pace but he just kept looking for boundaries which eventually led to his downfall. Those dot balls could've very easily been converted for singles which puts the pressure back on the bowlers and leads to misdirected deliveries that can be put away.

Many Pakistani batsmen have this problem. This is mainly due to the poor coaching they receive at grassroots level. They have trouble differentiating between good and bad deliveries. Not every ball can be hit for a boundary. One has to respect good deliveries and the best way to break a bowler's rhythm is strike rotation. Mentally dominating a bowler is more important than hitting boundaries. Just a few dot balls can suddenly boost a bowler's confidence and he starts to trust his length again. But if the run flow is continuous, he's never able to settle and continuously looks to alter his length to to find an economical length or he will look for wicket taking deliveries, if left with no choice he will bowl balls he's not comfortable with. That is when you capitalize.
 
Its sad that those two bowls will probably define his tournament and kill his chances of selection.

He is batsman who can bowl not a bowler who can bat.

I reckon though he showed enough with his bowling to show that he can adequately do a job in odis, its not like he will be bowling in the death for us.

So till another option pops up I hope yamin gets picked for ODIs especially, never deserved to be dropped int he first place.

hammad isn't in the picture, havent seen talat bowl, less said of anwar the better
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
Its sad that those two bowls will probably define his tournament and kill his chances of selection.

He is batsman who can bowl not a bowler who can bat.

I reckon though he showed enough with his bowling to show that he can adequately do a job in odis, its not like he will be bowling in the death for us.

So till another option pops up I hope yamin gets picked for ODIs especially, never deserved to be dropped int he first place.

hammad isn't in the picture, havent seen talat bowl, less said of anwar the better
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I wholeheartedly agree with you.

He is much better than what he has shown in this PSL. He is a capable batsman and a decent option with the ball for middle overs for 5-6 overs.
 
I don't blame him he tried his best it's games like these which make you great as it gives you the necessary experience to survive at highest level. I will surely get him in the squad as bowling all rounder along with Shadab
 
He shouldn't have been bowling the last over anyways, he's not a proper bowler, let alone a death bowler.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
Its sad that those two bowls will probably define his tournament and kill his chances of selection.

He is batsman who can bowl not a bowler who can bat.

I reckon though he showed enough with his bowling to show that he can adequately do a job in odis, its not like he will be bowling in the death for us.

So till another option pops up I hope yamin gets picked for ODIs especially, never deserved to be dropped int he first place.

hammad isn't in the picture, havent seen talat bowl, less said of anwar the better
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That´s the nature of the beast (T20 cricket), the guy got a raw deal bowling an over that the whole of Pakistan was watching. Although I fully admit that he has pretty good the entire tournament, but that last over even when he was getting away with it the first four balls, I was constantly mentioning that it is the inability of the batsmen in getting the bat under it as otherwise he was bowling an extremely hittable length. He was luckily getting away with it, except for the fourth ball which was bowled really well, but then....

What a match! The best of the lot from this year.
 
Not a sort of bowler who should be bowling at death. He should be bowling all or most of his overs in the first spell with the new ball.
 
Stallion__ said:
Not a sort of bowler who should be bowling at death. He should be bowling all or most of his overs in the first spell with the new ball.
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for Pakistan he should be bowling in the middle, much like matthews or mitch marsh. He has has the natural line into the right hander which combined with being able to skid the bowl means that if he is smart he can easily give us 5 overs a game plus bat at 7
 
Another overhyped Pakpassion player. Pathetic bowling in the last over. He has cost Lahore Qalandars the playoffs. Should not be seen anywhere near the national team.
 
Has ability to bowl yorkers, but has no plan B.

Pollard knew what was coming and set himself up for it. That is why he was able to hit those sixes.


Has bowling potential, but seems like he would be a better ODI bowler if he is given the responsibility of completing his quota between overs 15 and 45.
 
SM1989 said:
Another overhyped Pakpassion player. Pathetic bowling in the last over. He has cost Lahore Qalandars the playoffs. Should not be seen anywhere near the national team.
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Same thing happened to Ben Stokes in WT20 Final. He has recovered well.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
for Pakistan he should be bowling in the middle, much like matthews or mitch marsh. He has has the natural line into the right hander which combined with being able to skid the bowl means that if he is smart he can easily give us 5 overs a game plus bat at 7
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Tbh, Matthews and Marsh (as bowlers) are hardly the names we should be looking forward to. Amir, Hasan and one other specialist bowler to bowl 30 overs plus Shadab, Yamin and another all-rounder or part timer to share 20 overs among them would be ideal. Yamin will be best utilized with a 6-7 over spell with the new ball. He is skiddy and nippy and can get us a wicket or two with a new ball. I can't see him either taking wickets or controlling runs in the middle overs.
 
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First of all he should himself realize that he isnt a full time bowler. He is more capable as a batsman.
 
You've got to watch his on the Up straight drive of the bowling of Jongwe on Youtube.


He must bat at number 5 or 6 for SBP in domestic cricket and make a comeback as a batsman who can bowl abit. Not as an allrounder. He was, is, will never be a genuine allrounder. He is wasted at number 8,9 etc as a batsman.
 
Aamer Yamin's last T20i for Pakistan.
15* off 6 (finishing in the last over)
4 overs, 25 runs and 1 wicket. (Stokes went for 55)
I have always believed that him and Amin were unfairly dropped after this match. Only Inzi and Mickey could've pulled this.
 
Time and time again he has proved himself. Yet this guy poor guy will not get in the team. Will probably be given a chance when his pace drops to Abbas level.
 
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