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Is Alastair Cook an all-time great?

Is Alastair Cook an all-time great?


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A test great is a fair rating for me. His struggles against the top seamers of this era are what prevent me from rating him as an ATG of the game.
 
Even if you are an opener in England and SA , you can't average below 45 and be considered an ATG. Besides , being an opener is an advantage when you tour places like India etc .when it's easier to play the new ball . Somehow nobody takes this into account.
 
He was as a top batsman but he didn't perform well enough at the end of his career and that made a big difference
 
Great player. England have struggled so hard since Strauss retired to find a decent opener but Cook has always been there and is a solid player. Never far from a big score. He's still got a few years left playing for England. He most likely will be an English great but not so sure about ATG.

This is what I said about him back in November. I was wrong about the few years bit, but think what I said regarding this topic still holds true. He's not going to be mentioned with the likes of Sachin Tendulkar so I voted no, as he isn't an ATG but will definitely be an English great, no doubt about that.
 
Alastair Cook is one of England's greats but I wouldn't put him as an ATG.

For me, one of the principal factors for someone being an ATG is that that player then becomes a part of the discussion when compiling a World's Best XI team in any format. Whether he makes it to the team or not is irrelevant but for us to label someone as an ATG, he must ensure that he at least becomes part of the discussion.

Does Alastair Cook merits to be in the discussion for an ATG? Firstly, we can safely eliminate Cook's ODI and T20 careers as he is nowhere near greatness in those formats. Coming to Tests, Cook's claim to fame has been of him being an opener. Now when compiling the World's Best XI - Tests, how many openers queue ahead of Alastair Cook? I would say aplenty.

1) Sunil Gavaskar
2) Jack Hobbs
3) Len Hutton
4) Matthew Hayden
5) Graeme Smith

The fact that this thread has been made is mainly because of the sheer amount of runs Cook has scored. 12000+. That is a phenomenal achievement. But he's also played a lot of Test matches to reach that figure and to that extent it sort of loses its viability.

There is no doubt that Cook ATG proponents will point to his memorable series performances in India and Australia to further the point that that is something that most openers haven't achieved. But what needs to be realized is that Cook's 2010 Ashes performance, while wondrous, was seemingly a one-time affair. He consistently struggled in Australia in the rest of the 3 series he has played down under. An average of 27 in 2006, 25 in 2013 and 47 in 2017. We all know that 47 average in 2017 is propelled by his one innings of 244 that came when the series was gone. Apart from that he was bang average. Similarly in India he has been poor apart from that series in 2012. He did make one-off centuries in other series but he hardly had any influence on the overall series. Also from 2009-2012 Cook averaged 76 in Test cricket signifying that that was his purple patch. Nothing to take away from those performances but in order to be ATG's, you need consistency across your career.

Like I said in another thread, that Cook is my favorite English player ever as he is the poster child for hard work. And has spent his career with a lot of dignity and for that he will forever have a great place in Test cricket. However, when it comes to selecting the world's best test XI, sadly Cook doesn't even make it to the discussion and that is why I don't rate him to be an ATG.
 
Alastair Cook is one of England's greats but I wouldn't put him as an ATG.

For me, one of the principal factors for someone being an ATG is that that player then becomes a part of the discussion when compiling a World's Best XI team in any format. Whether he makes it to the team or not is irrelevant but for us to label someone as an ATG, he must ensure that he at least becomes part of the discussion.

Does Alastair Cook merits to be in the discussion for an ATG? Firstly, we can safely eliminate Cook's ODI and T20 careers as he is nowhere near greatness in those formats. Coming to Tests, Cook's claim to fame has been of him being an opener. Now when compiling the World's Best XI - Tests, how many openers queue ahead of Alastair Cook? I would say aplenty.

1) Sunil Gavaskar
2) Jack Hobbs
3) Len Hutton
4) Matthew Hayden
5) Graeme Smith

The fact that this thread has been made is mainly because of the sheer amount of runs Cook has scored. 12000+. That is a phenomenal achievement. But he's also played a lot of Test matches to reach that figure and to that extent it sort of loses its viability.

There is no doubt that Cook ATG proponents will point to his memorable series performances in India and Australia to further the point that that is something that most openers haven't achieved. But what needs to be realized is that Cook's 2010 Ashes performance, while wondrous, was seemingly a one-time affair. He consistently struggled in Australia in the rest of the 3 series he has played down under. An average of 27 in 2006, 25 in 2013 and 47 in 2017. We all know that 47 average in 2017 is propelled by his one innings of 244 that came when the series was gone. Apart from that he was bang average. Similarly in India he has been poor apart from that series in 2012. He did make one-off centuries in other series but he hardly had any influence on the overall series. <B>Also from 2009-2012 Cook averaged 76 in Test cricket signifying that that was his purple patch.</B> Nothing to take away from those performances but in order to be ATG's, you need consistency across your career.

Like I said in another thread, that Cook is my favorite English player ever as he is the poster child for hard work. And has spent his career with a lot of dignity and for that he will forever have a great place in Test cricket. However, when it comes to selecting the world's best test XI, sadly Cook doesn't even make it to the discussion and that is why I don't rate him to be an ATG.

Between 2009-12, he averages 55.28.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...9;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting
 
All Time Greatness has a lot to do with prolonged performance. Longevity.

Cook has done poorly by his standards in the last phase of his career but that's true for many ATGs.

Even after that he still averages 40+ everywhere except NZ & SA.

More importantly, he is the only opener to have played 150+ test games. In fact Cook will retire as the 7th most capped test player in history. That's a remarkably long career.

He's an ATG contender in my book and the 2nd greatest test opener of the last 30 years.
 
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Despite his limitations he has performed supremely well over his very long career and been a good servant to ECB and to the game + is a real gentleman (KP is a much better batsman but Gentleman he is not).

Cook, ATG = yes.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">More than two years after his retirement from Test cricket, Alastair Cook has brought up his 67th first-class century 🔥 <br><br>He's put Essex in a commanding position in the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BobWillisTrophy?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BobWillisTrophy</a> Final 🙌 <a href="https://t.co/WvUxRcrg8U">pic.twitter.com/WvUxRcrg8U</a></p>— ICC (@ICC) <a href="https://twitter.com/ICC/status/1309518116557328387?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2020</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On this day in 2018, Alastair Cook played his last day of international cricket.<br><br>It was a fairytale finish for him as England defeated India by 118 runs at The Oval and secured the Test series 4-1.<br><br>Cook was the Player of the Match for his fantastic 147 in the second innings &#55357;&#56613; <a href="https://t.co/YyjQtoqbWP">pic.twitter.com/YyjQtoqbWP</a></p>— ICC (@ICC) <a href="https://twitter.com/ICC/status/1436638179671617536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
No doubt that he is a modern great as far as opening in Tests is concerned, just look at the gulf between him and the openers England have tried since his retirement; his grit, determination and resolve was something to behold, and he had his fair share of struggles to but his never say die attitude and will to improve his game should set an example for cricketers who go through dips that you can come back if you seek professional help and put the work in, terrific cricketer.
 
He is not an ATG. Just a very good player.

He dominated in almost every country and it's not easy to open, there's a massive lack in Test quality openers in general but he was among the handful who were gems; even now he easily walks back into the England side.
 
Why did this man retire? Even now he walks back into the England side. 2 years on one still feels that the England openers are just a few more failures away from being dropped. Dom Sibley exemplifies that.

If he had retired from cricket altogether, I would have got it. But here he is scoring centuries for Essex whilst the national team openers sometimes look like they couldn't buy a run!
 
Cook should come out of international retirement. His country needs him. As his consistently strong county form has shown, he is still more than good enough to play for England. We need some experience at the top of the order.
 
Cook should come out of international retirement. His country needs him. As his consistently strong county form has shown, he is still more than good enough to play for England. We need some experience at the top of the order.

In an IK like scenario from the late 80’s, perhaps the PM should request he return for the series down under :akhtar
 
In an IK like scenario from the late 80’s, perhaps the PM should request he return for the series down under :akhtar

I think if Andrew Strauss was still the top man in English cricket — Cook’s former opening partner, captain, and mentor — then he might be able to tempt him back. Not sure if it will happen now that Strauss has stepped away though.
 
Why did this man retire? Even now he walks back into the England side. 2 years on one still feels that the England openers are just a few more failures away from being dropped. Dom Sibley exemplifies that.

If he had retired from cricket altogether, I would have got it. But here he is scoring centuries for Essex whilst the national team openers sometimes look like they couldn't buy a run!

He had just had his fill. Just woke up one day and didn’t want it any more.
 
Great player but not as good as KP and Root.

Agreed — albeit, a career average of 45 after 161 Tests, almost all of them as opener and many of these in tricky English conditions against the new Dukes ball, is a pretty robust record. Oh how we miss him.
 
Batting legend and former England captain Alastair Cook’s storied association with county club Essex could come to an end if reports in British media are to be believed. Cook may be forced to quit playing for Essex thanks to a row with former captain Ronnie Irani.

The dispute came out in the public last month when it emerged that Irani has quit his post as the chairman of Essex’s cricket committee after senior players alongside team coach complained that there was too much meddling from his side in team’s affairs. He is reported to have alleged that there was a drinking culture inside the team which the players refuted.

The group of players included team captain Tom Westley and Cook as well. The cricket committee backed the players and later announced that Irani is leaving the role to “focus on his business commitments".

Now, as per a report in Daily Mail, Irani’s presence in the Essex general committee and the prospect of him running for the post of chairman next year has further complicated the matter.

The dispute coincides with Essex’s disappointing on-field performances that saw them not qualifying for the top division of County Championship.

The 36-year-old Cook continues to churn out outstanding performances for Essex in domestic circuit with the county keen on him to pen a new deal.

He retired from international cricket in 2018 as England’s most prolific run-getter in Test cricket, amassing 12,472 runs in 161 Tests including 33 centuries and 57 half-centuries

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...dispute-with-ronnie-irani-report-4204469.html
 
Sir Alastair Cook batted for most of the day as he ground out a tenacious century to provide Essex with a strong platform in their County Championship match against Yorkshire.

The former England captain occupied the crease doggedly for his 107 from 268 balls, sharing a third-wicket partnership of 174 with fellow left-hander Paul Walter to guide Essex to 234-3 after being put in at Chelmsford.

BBC
 
Batsman as opener since 1970 (min 5000 runs)
[table=class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]G Boycott (ENG) [/td][td]1970-1982 [/td][td]66 [/td][td]5482 [/td][td]51.23 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]29 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]ML Hayden (AUS) [/td][td]1994-2009 [/td][td]103 [/td][td]8625 [/td][td]50.73 [/td][td]30 [/td][td]29 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SM Gavaskar (INDIA) [/td][td]1971-1987 [/td][td]119 [/td][td]9607 [/td][td]50.29 [/td][td]33 [/td][td]42 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]V Sehwag (ICC/INDIA) [/td][td]2002-2013 [/td][td]99 [/td][td]8207 [/td][td]50.04 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]30 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GC Smith (ICC/SA) [/td][td]2002-2014 [/td][td]114 [/td][td]9030 [/td][td]49.07 [/td][td]27 [/td][td]36 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JL Langer (AUS) [/td][td]1993-2007 [/td][td]65 [/td][td]5112 [/td][td]48.22 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DA Warner (AUS) [/td][td]2011-2022 [/td][td]94 [/td][td]7714 [/td][td]47.61 [/td][td]24 [/td][td]34 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]HH Gibbs (SA) [/td][td]1998-2008 [/td][td]68 [/td][td]5242 [/td][td]47.22 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]21 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CG Greenidge (WI) [/td][td]1974-1991 [/td][td]107 [/td][td]7488 [/td][td]45.1 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]34 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AN Cook (ENG) [/td][td]2006-2018 [/td][td]154 [/td][td]11845 [/td][td]44.86 [/td][td]31 [/td][td]55 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GA Gooch (ENG) [/td][td]1978-1995 [/td][td]100 [/td][td]7811 [/td][td]43.88 [/td][td]18 [/td][td]41 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]ME Trescothick (ENG) [/td][td]2000-2006 [/td][td]76 [/td][td]5824 [/td][td]43.78 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]29 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MA Taylor (AUS) [/td][td]1989-1999 [/td][td]104 [/td][td]7525 [/td][td]43.49 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]40 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MS Atapattu (SL) [/td][td]1997-2007 [/td][td]79 [/td][td]5317 [/td][td]43.22 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]17 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CH Gayle (WI) [/td][td]2000-2014 [/td][td]99 [/td][td]7028 [/td][td]43.11 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]36 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MJ Slater (AUS) [/td][td]1993-2001 [/td][td]74 [/td][td]5312 [/td][td]42.83 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]21 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DL Haynes (WI) [/td][td]1978-1994 [/td][td]116 [/td][td]7472 [/td][td]42.45 [/td][td]18 [/td][td]39 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]G Kirsten (SA) [/td][td]1993-2002 [/td][td]84 [/td][td]5726 [/td][td]41.79 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]28 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]ST Jayasuriya (SL) [/td][td]1994-2007 [/td][td]90 [/td][td]5932 [/td][td]41.48 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]25 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AJ Strauss (ENG) [/td][td]2004-2012 [/td][td]97 [/td][td]6741 [/td][td]40.85 [/td][td]20 [/td][td]27 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]FDM Karunaratne (SL) [/td][td]2012-2022 [/td][td]75 [/td][td]5588 [/td][td]40.49 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]27 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MA Atherton (ENG) [/td][td]1990-2001 [/td][td]108 [/td][td]7476 [/td][td]39.14 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]45 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JG Wright (NZ) [/td][td]1978-1993 [/td][td]80 [/td][td]5260 [/td][td]38.11 [/td][td]12 [/td][td]23 [/td][/tr]
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Batsman as opener since 1970 in away matches (min 2500 runs)

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[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GC Smith (ICC/SA) [/td][td]2003-2012 [/td][td]52 [/td][td]4828 [/td][td]54.86 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]19 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SM Gavaskar (INDIA) [/td][td]1971-1986 [/td][td]56 [/td][td]4869 [/td][td]52.92 [/td][td]18 [/td][td]20 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]HH Gibbs (SA) [/td][td]1999-2007 [/td][td]32 [/td][td]2568 [/td][td]48.45 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]13 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]G Boycott (ENG) [/td][td]1970-1982 [/td][td]33 [/td][td]2661 [/td][td]48.38 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AN Cook (ENG) [/td][td]2006-2018 [/td][td]66 [/td][td]5295 [/td][td]45.64 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]22 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]V Sehwag (ICC/INDIA) [/td][td]2002-2012 [/td][td]50 [/td][td]3711 [/td][td]45.25 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]13 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MS Atapattu (SL) [/td][td]1997-2007 [/td][td]35 [/td][td]2667 [/td][td]45.2 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]10 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CH Gayle (WI) [/td][td]2000-2013 [/td][td]47 [/td][td]3561 [/td][td]44.51 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]15 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AJ Strauss (ENG) [/td][td]2004-2012 [/td][td]33 [/td][td]2568 [/td][td]44.27 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]G Kirsten (SA) [/td][td]1993-2002 [/td][td]40 [/td][td]2922 [/td][td]44.27 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]13 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MA Taylor (AUS) [/td][td]1989-1998 [/td][td]49 [/td][td]3532 [/td][td]43.6 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CG Greenidge (WI) [/td][td]1974-1990 [/td][td]62 [/td][td]4339 [/td][td]42.53 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]19 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]ML Hayden (AUS) [/td][td]1994-2008 [/td][td]44 [/td][td]3169 [/td][td]41.69 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]12 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GA Gooch (ENG) [/td][td]1978-1995 [/td][td]39 [/td][td]2694 [/td][td]37.94 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MA Atherton (ENG) [/td][td]1990-2001 [/td][td]47 [/td][td]2961 [/td][td]36.1 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]15 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DA Warner (AUS) [/td][td]2012-2022 [/td][td]42 [/td][td]2662 [/td][td]33.69 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]19 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DL Haynes (WI) [/td][td]1979-1993 [/td][td]67 [/td][td]3619 [/td][td]33.5 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]17 [/td][/tr]
[/table]
Cook has generated very stable numbers in both overall and away matches. However still his numbers are bit short to be classified as ATG.
 
Sir Alastair Cook batted for most of the day as he ground out a tenacious century to provide Essex with a strong platform in their County Championship match against Yorkshire.

The former England captain occupied the crease doggedly for his 107 from 268 balls, sharing a third-wicket partnership of 174 with fellow left-hander Paul Walter to guide Essex to 234-3 after being put in at Chelmsford.

BBC

Come on Ben Stokes, get Cookie back in the England squad.

Call him up and convince him to reverse his retirement.

Pick the best players.
 
So Cook follows up his 107 in the first innings with 102 not out in the second…this man remains one of the very best batsmen in England right now.

If he was Pakistani, he would have been back in the team 5 minutes after he retired. England should convince him to play - he would transform their fortunes.
 
So Cook follows up his 107 in the first innings with 102 not out in the second…this man remains one of the very best batsmen in England right now.

If he was Pakistani, he would have been back in the team 5 minutes after he retired. England should convince him to play - he would transform their fortunes.

Hopefully the new skipper Ben Stokes is on the phone to Cookie right now!!
 
Happy Birthday to Sir Alastair Cook!

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sir Alastair Cook has his 74th first-class century 👨*🍳<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LVCountyChamp?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LVCountyChamp</a> <a href="https://t.co/OSbKlxYRI5">pic.twitter.com/OSbKlxYRI5</a></p>— LV= Insurance County Championship (@CountyChamp) <a href="https://twitter.com/CountyChamp/status/1667926347455275009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 11, 2023</a></blockquote>
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