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Bewal Express

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For a guy that has got to a 100 wickets in double quick time and it may be me, but the more i watch Yasir the more I worry for him. Quite simply, he isn't turning the ball away from the right handers. If this continues and teams play him as a straight on leg spinner, he will be finished.
 
Bewal Express said:
For a guy that has got to a 100 wickets in double quick time and it may be me, but the more i watch Yasir the more I worry for him. Quite simply, he isn't turning the ball away from the right handers. If this continues and teams play him as a straight on leg spinner, he will be finished.
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abay chal nikal......yasir is greatest legspinner after warne,he just knows how to get wickets.
 
The degree of spin that a spin bowler manages to derive is based on how conducive the pitch is to spin, how broken it is, dusty etc., Thus far the pitch isn't in a condition to expect excessive turn from Yasir or any other spinner.

In general, Yasir Shah does turn the ball a fair bit, obviously not as much relative to Shane Warne but his performances in Asia over his 17 Tests have plenty of wickets dismissed due to the extraction of spin by Yasir Shah.
 
Yasir Shah is not a typical spinner. He is like Kumble so you shouldn't be expecting much of spin. Most of his wickets are of straight deliveries. but what I'm more concerned is that the hype this guy Nawaz has he has shown no spin either. He comes and bowls same darters that Imad bowls in ODIs. Why is he even playing test matches? This guy should no where be close to our test side when we have better spinners like Asgher available. This was really a blunder by Inzi. should have picked Asgher for this series who richly deserved.
 
I have a feeling that half of the posters that will post on this thread haven't even seen Yasir bowl in Tests, or at least not in Asia.
 
What? He was getting the most spin out of any spinner in this match... And he's just getting started.

That said, this is one really flat pitch.
 
Nope, not worried at all.

He can spin the ball and you can go watch clips from the past, to observe for yourself.

The real worry is Amir.
 
Yasir is not a big spinner like Warne.

He bowls mostly straightish deliveries with some spinning big when they land in rough.
 
That's his strength

People play for big spin but he has subtleties and has variations in length
 
In spin bowling three things matter , the spin , line and length and third one, the angle which every one ignored , the angle at which Yasir Shah bowls , is very easy to play , thats the reason he is so expensive bowler , just look at the angle at which Imad wasim bowls , he neither turn , nor has many variation , but his awkward angle suffocate the batsman , thats the reason of his success , with this type of bowling , he will be very expensive in Australia.
 
Not sure if serious.

Was getting the ball to turn early on in his spell, and Bravo seemed to be struggling a fair bit against him.
 
he spins the odd one and it's down to his grip...Warne would spin his wrist over the ball while Yasir keeps his wrist under the ball. Surprising given he's worked so closely with Mushtaq but maybe changing how he has bowled all his life isn't the best idea.
 
I must have been watching a different match. He spun quite a few including the one that got the wicket.
 
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Day 2 pitch, pink ball (hear it spins less than the white) and the fact that Yasir isn't usually a HUGE spuinner of the ball anyways
 
MRSN said:
Yasir Shah is not a typical spinner. He is like Kumble so you shouldn't be expecting much of spin. Most of his wickets are of straight deliveries. but what I'm more concerned is that the hype this guy Nawaz has he has shown no spin either. He comes and bowls same darters that Imad bowls in ODIs. Why is he even playing test matches? This guy should no where be close to our test side when we have better spinners like Asgher available. This was really a blunder by Inzi. should have picked Asgher for this series who richly deserved.
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:herath we need an all rounder who can bat, not a specialist bowler like Asghar.
 
athar000 said:
In spin bowling three things matter , the spin , line and length and third one, the angle which every one ignored , the angle at which Yasir Shah bowls , is very easy to play , thats the reason he is so expensive bowler , just look at the angle at which Imad wasim bowls , he neither turn , nor has many variation , but his awkward angle suffocate the batsman , thats the reason of his success , with this type of bowling , he will be very expensive in Australia.
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An ER of 3.06 is expensive ?

Most teams these days play at well over 3 RPO, so to have an ER that is below the average means that Yasir is economical.
 
Saj said:
I must have been watching a different match. He spun quite a few including the one that got the wicket.
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The bits i saw against KB were going straight on and thats my point that he is struggling to spin away from right handers. If the batsman start to wise up and play him like off spinner, he will be in trouble.
 
Bewal Express said:
The bits i saw against KB were going straight on and thats my point that he is struggling to spin away from right handers. If the batsman start to wise up and play him like off spinner, he will be in trouble.
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He did get prodiguous turn against England and in the past in the UAE. Maybe an action issue?
 
I am more worried about how reliant we are becoming on him. Since he came into the team, I don't recall any Tests that we have won where Yasir has had performed poorly.

He got whacked in the two matches that we lost in England and the others bowlers did not show up. I am waiting to see us win a Test match/series again where Yasir is below par.

Reminds me of Ajmal in ODIs few years back where he became the go-to man for every situation. Over reliance is never good and I feel Misbah is becoming over reliant on Yasir just like he became over reliant on Ajmal.

The fact that he had to take the ball in the 9th over today and was the only one who looked like taking a wicket was a worrying sign.

If your spinner is getting the new ball in Test cricket your pacers are simply not doing the job.
 
As far as turn is concerned, he bowled with a relatively new pink ball. Why are people surprised? He will get more turn tomorrow.
 
Yasir IS a big turner of the ball, folks. The pitches in the UAE are not like they were back in 2012 and 2013 but he still manages to get it to turn quite a bit.

Watch his delivery to Bairstow (?) from earlier this year, if you disagree.
 
AlphaFighter said:
He did get prodiguous turn against England and in the past in the UAE. Maybe an action issue?
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This year my son really struggled with his leg spin and he had problems with his action-his problem was not enough side spin, so i decided that he should he get his index and middle finger a tiny bit closer on the seam and he certainly got more spin but unfortunately his action remained too inconsistent, which is the reason we asked Mushtaq for help at Worcester and i may be far off the mark but i think Yasirs index and middle are a tiny bit too far apart.Yasir's great strength is consistently of action and the dip and if he could the side spin back, he will cause the best batsman problems on all surfaces.
 
Yes, he is'nt spinning the ball and his line also goes wayward. Today in the latter prt of the innings he was goin thru the motions just bowling outside off with not spin and full. Pakistans should be looking for more spinners saw this leggie Irfan who spins more than Yasir and has quite good googly. He should be inducted into the side. Too much reliance on Yasir Shah also not good.

Don't know whow he'll perform but Yasir Shah 's performance will improve seeing other spinners being making into the squad.
 
athar000 said:
In spin bowling three things matter , the spin , line and length and third one, the angle which every one ignored , the angle at which Yasir Shah bowls , is very easy to play , thats the reason he is so expensive bowler , just look at the angle at which Imad wasim bowls , he neither turn , nor has many variation , but his awkward angle suffocate the batsman , thats the reason of his success , with this type of bowling , he will be very expensive in Australia.
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Please don't compare performances across formats.

Imad being a good ODI bowler doesn't mean he will be a good Test bowler.
 
Yasir needs to get some catches in the slip cordon while bowling to right handed batsmen as well. If he does that, he will be extremely dangerous as well.

He spins it big for the left-handers which shows that he knows how to do it. There was a very good discussion on him in the Game on hai show where Saqlain pointed out a few areas of improvement.
 
Mamoon said:
As far as turn is concerned, he bowled with a relatively new pink ball. Why are people surprised? He will get more turn tomorrow.
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My observations are not just based on today and but also on what I saw in the summer. He turns the ball more into left handers but struggles with the bread and butter of turning away from right handers. Even when he bowled well at the Oval, I can only remember a couple of balls turning away from the right hander, one of which beat Hales and hence the straight one became deadly.
 
Yasir is not a big spinner of the ball . Never has been .
Why are you surprised ?? He was never a Mcgill to begin with . He is a different bowler.
 
Hasan123 said:
He never really spins it loads anyway
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Macgill and Warne were freaks but although I agree he doesn't spin big, he still needs to spin it more than he does for long term success. We saw Bishoo turn the ball yesterday, so the argument that the ball is not turning is not credible.
 
Bewal Express said:
The bits i saw against KB were going straight on and thats my point that he is struggling to spin away from right handers. If the batsman start to wise up and play him like off spinner, he will be in trouble.
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No bowler in the history of the game has been able to spin every ball they bowl.

Also this is hardly a dust bowl as yet.
 
To the op did you watch Kumble bowl. The number of wickets Kumble had shows spinning the ball isn't everything.
 
Saj said:
No bowler in the history of the game has been able to spin every ball they bowl.

Also this is hardly a dust bowl as yet.
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I agree that it's not a dust bowl but we saw an inferior bowler in Bishoo turn the ball more.
 
He has never been a big turner of the ball. Something that will help him in Australia
 
Bewal Express said:
I agree that it's not a dust bowl but we saw an inferior bowler in Bishoo turn the ball more.
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Anyone can turn the ball at the speed bishoo bowls. If yasir bowls as slow as bishoo with as much flight then even a batsman will as much batting skill as chris martin wont get out LBW
 
Kumble initially took lots of wickets since batsmen were playing for turn and got LBW or Bowled. Once the batsmen started playing Anil as some inswing bowler, Anil struggled overseas to pick wickets. He was still effective in India due to the pitches and the uneven bounce he was able to extract. Only after 2003/04 season did Anil reinvented himself and was successful outside India. Took fifers in Australia, bowled us to wins in Pakistan, West Indies. I cannot comment too much on Yasir yet as I haven't seen him bowl that much but looking at the mode of dismissals, he seems to get batsmen out mostly bowled or LBW. I agree with a poster above that a Legspinners main aim should be to beat the outside edge, while the sliders, flippers and googly's as attacking weapons. Yasir is a very good bowler and I expect him to keep improving as he plays more.
 
Moiza said:
Anyone can turn the ball at the speed bishoo bowls. If yasir bowls as slow as bishoo with as much flight then even a batsman will as much batting skill as chris martin wont get out LBW
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Maybe Yasir could vary his speed to get the odd ball to turn more.
 
athar000 said:
In spin bowling three things matter , the spin , line and length and third one, the angle which every one ignored , the angle at which Yasir Shah bowls , is very easy to play , thats the reason he is so expensive bowler , just look at the angle at which Imad wasim bowls , he neither turn , nor has many variation , but his awkward angle suffocate the batsman , thats the reason of his success , with this type of bowling , he will be very expensive in Australia.
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His angle is fine, but it is not good as he is bowling stump to stump. If he wants to use the angle, he must flight the ball and slow down his deliveries.
 
Yasir used to turn and spin the ball much more. In the recent few test matches i am noticing he is focusing more on drifting the ball into the right hander, bowling straight, getting the Lbw. He has lost his natural spin away from the right hander. I wonder if this is because he is trying to mold his bowling style to stake a claim in ODI's and T-20's.
 
AlphaFighter said:
Yasir used to turn and spin the ball much more. In the recent few test matches i am noticing he is focusing more on drifting the ball into the right hander, bowling straight, getting the Lbw. He has lost his natural spin away from the right hander. I wonder if this is because he is trying to mold his bowling style to stake a claim in ODI's and T-20's.
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When you try to give the ball a real rip, you do get less control as a leggie.
 
Putting quiet a bit of revs on it, getting significant spin. Was expected as the match goes on, some beautiful leg breaks right there! :murali
 
The track was dead.

He was spinning/turning and skidding it. Now for final day he will come good and win it for Pak Insha'Allah
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
The track was dead.

He was spinning/turning and skidding it. Now for final day he will come good and win it for Pak Insha'Allah
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Around the wicket he turns the ball to left handers, but although i saw a little more today, i am not convinced that the issues have been solved. If the leg spinner turns, then the straight on delivery will become more deadly.
 
I feel sorry for Yasir. Way too much pressure and responsibility on a player who is only 16 Tests old.

Staggeringly over-dependent on him at the moment.
 
His spin has declined. When he played his first few games, he was getting more spin on the ball. Watch the deliveries which dismissed David Warner, and NZ left Handers. I suspect trying to become an ODI and T-20 bowler, looking to bowl straight, getting the drift going, within the stumps has caused all this.
 
AlphaFighter said:
His spin has declined. When he played his first few games, he was getting more spin on the ball. Watch the deliveries which dismissed David Warner, and NZ left Handers. I suspect trying to become an ODI and T-20 bowler, looking to bowl straight, getting the drift going, within the stumps has caused all this.
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Attention to detail, my friend. If you look at his deliveries from around the wicket to left handers you'll see that his body is much more involved in the follow through which doesnt happen when he bowls over the wicket. He even spun the ball miles bowling to right handers around the wicket in England. He can spin the ball at will, he chooses not to since the current strategy seems to be working well enough.
 
Watch out for the early double break through to rip the match open for Pakistan first thing. InshaAllah
 
he spins but not as much as you would expect from a typical leg spinner like Shahzaib
 
Moiza said:
Attention to detail, my friend. If you look at his deliveries from around the wicket to left handers you'll see that his body is much more involved in the follow through which doesnt happen when he bowls over the wicket. He even spun the ball miles bowling to right handers around the wicket in England. He can spin the ball at will, he chooses not to since the current strategy seems to be working well enough.
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Good spot, that was my original point about a lack of Spin to right handers. He uses more body and hip rotation around the wicket and hence more spin.
 
Looked rubbish compared to Bishoo in the second innings. There's clearly turn there for a legspinner but Shah's not bowling many threatening deliveries.
 
Hes lack of turn soon gonna haunt him sooner or later. Not a long term test prospect unless he starting turning it big.
 
Complete lack of trust in nawaz by misbha. Yasir hasnt bowled one threatening ball for 10 overs and still misbah isnt going with nawaz.
 
Such a poor mindset bowling around the wicket to Chase is unbelievable tactics
 
muhammad saad said:
Hes lack of turn soon gonna haunt him sooner or later. Not a long term test prospect unless he starting turning it big.
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I was worried about it even when he was taking boat load of wickets; still feel Shahzaib Ahmed was a better leg spinner than Yasir Shah
 
I just watched a little after getting home, and my worst fears about his leg spinner to the right hander are slowly coming true.
 
Expectations of him running through sides in the 4th innings have often not come true .
Infact his record may not be all that better in the 4th innings to all 3 other imnings of a test match which is a complete contrast to other spinners .
He has never been a big spinner.of the ball and that has been his major issue in various forms of the game because he has fantastic control for a leg spinner
 
ethan hunt said:
Expectations of him running through sides in the 4th innings have often not come true .
Infact his record may not be all that better in the 4th innings to all 3 other imnings of a test match which is a complete contrast to other spinners .
He has never been a big spinner.of the ball and that has been his major issue in various forms of the game because he has fantastic control for a leg spinner
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No, he has probably the best 4th innings record in the world.
 
Where are you getting these stats? Its wrong street cricketer.

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Yasir 4th innings stats look fine to me.

But they do show Zulfi has been just as good in 4th innings. Same average and wickets per innings.

Pakistan missing Zulfi. He was very good in 3rd and 4th innings.
 
Asia stats:

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Same. Yasir's numbers are solid here too.

Just shows how much Babar has done.

You should always have 2 wicket taking spinners in the XI. One person can't be expected to click always. That's too much pressure.
 
I forgot to change the cutoff for Asia which meant Jaddu missed out.

Jaddu's stats are a bit surprising though.

Averages 17 in 4th innings in Asia but SR is 70. Whaaaat.

His overall Asia SR is 53.

So much for Jaddu only doing well when the pitch spits.

Cricket is a funny game. Never linear. Haha.
 
He doesn't spin much and no variation.

Bishoo's deliveries were spinning a lot.
 
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