Is Babar Azam cut out for Test cricket?

[waleed88]

Here are the stats of Babar Azam in his last 14 innings :

7,29,90*,16,19,14,23,3,0,9,72,9*,0,0

Batting average of 27.21

Only 3 50's in 16 innings. One 50 in his last 12 innings..

Should he be dropped in the 3rd Test Match?

I can't think of any other youngster who was given 8 chances to show his talent but failed to show it in 13 of his 16 innings...

Maybe try Shan Masood in the 3rd game, and play Azhar Ali one down

 

[Abdullah]

No waleed bhai. He should play 3rd game. I'm more worried about shezzy not shafiq.
This guy has been chucked in deep end at number 3 so he needs to be given time to learn how to swim.
He is getting games in different surfaces and we hope he learns from it. He was a tad unfortunate in this game and has only had 1 stinker of a tour in Australia.
Otherwise his game has looked upto it but it just hasn't happened.

 

[waleed88]

No waleed bhai. He should play 3rd game. I'm more worried about shezzy not shafiq.
This guy has been chucked in deep end at number 3 so he needs to be given time to learn how to swim.
He is getting games in different surfaces and we hope he learns from it. He was a tad unfortunate in this game and has only had 1 stinker of a tour in Australia.
Otherwise his game has looked upto it but it just hasn't happened.

You can't expect a player to be in the team to not perform, he's not been thrown at the deep end, he was moved up in place of a more experienced and deserved Shafiq. Babar's developement has gone haywire and its clear he is not cut out for a no.3 role in Test Matches, he doesn't have the technique and patience for it

Throw anyone else and give him 16 innings to perform, he might get one or two 50s here or there too..

Unfortunately Fawad Alam never got this sort of support, benched in his 3rd test match after failing...

a run of 8 test matches is kind of a free ride

 

[Abdullah719]

a run of 8 test matches is kind of a free ride

Not a single match in UAE, or conditions that he's familiar with. Forget that, not a single match in Asia.

"Free ride"

He will remain a part of this lineup, as will Shafiq because of Younis and Misbah's retirements.

Having said that, with series coming up against the likes of SL etc, the onus is on these batsmen to raise their game.

 

[Mamoon]

Not a single match in UAE, or conditions that he's familiar with. Forget that, not a single match in Asia.

"Free ride"

I don't agree with the thread, but he did make his debut vs the WI in the UAE.

 

[waleed88]

Not a single match in UAE, or conditions that he's familiar with. Forget that, not a single match in Asia.

"Free ride"

He will remain a part of this lineup, as will Shafiq because of Younis and Misbah's retirements.

Having said that, with series coming up against the likes of SL etc, the onus is on these batsmen to raise their game.

Oh is that now a criteria to justify an average of 27? These are embarrassing numbers, exactly half of the average of Babar Azam the ODI batsman

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Seam and swing in NZ, bounce in Australia, uneven bounce in Windies. This experience will serve Babar greatly.

Babar has one technical flaw of the bat turning when he looks to play the leg glance. His problem is that his torso doesn't get forward enough to get his eyes on top of the ball. He needs to make a conscious effort. He can put away that shot but in the long run it's necessary to score runs off of.

Otherwise his defence is very compact and his judgement of offstump is probably unrivaled. Looks so much at ease out there with everyone else jumping around.

 

[Abdullah719]

I don't agree with the thread, but he did make his debut vs the WI in the UAE.

He did? My mind must be scrambled after the horror show today.

OK, one match in UAE and Asia.

 

[waleed88]

I think Babar Azam is going down the road of Mohammad Hafeez the batsman, who is a great asset to the side in ODIs, but a big burden on the Test side...

I earlier made a comparison Azam is headed down the road of Malik and Hafeez... it seems flat tracks and easy pitches are the order of the day for Babar to succeed

 

[Jabo]

Nope

And Shafiq needs to man up and bat at 3/4 or get axed too

 

[waleed88]

Seam and swing in NZ, bounce in Australia, uneven bounce in Windies. This experience will serve Babar greatly.

Babar has one technical flaw of the bat turning when he looks to play the leg glance. His problem is that his torso doesn't get forward enough to get his eyes on top of the ball. He needs to make a conscious effort. He can put away that shot but in the long run it's necessary to score runs off of.

Otherwise his defence is very compact and his judgement of offstump is probably unrivaled. Looks so much at ease out there with everyone else jumping around.

Babar and Hafeez seem to have the same thing in common. The plus side for Babar is he hasn't faced a bowler like Dale Steyn to make him his bunny

 

[waleed88]

Babar is nothing excpetional for me.... give any youngster 16 innings, he will also give you two fifties to show for it..

Poor Sami Aslam, the stats he put up as an opening bat in foreign conditions, and is now not even on the bench..

You have to wonder what secret formula does Babar Azam have to stay relevant for this long??

 

[Haz95]

I think Babar Azam is going down the road of Mohammad Hafeez the batsman, who is a great asset to the side in ODIs, but a big burden on the Test side...

I earlier made a comparison Azam is headed down the road of Malik and Hafeez... it seems flat tracks and easy pitches are the order of the day for Babar to succeed

Babar Azams 90* in the flat NZ tracks is testimony to his Hafeezity

1,12,10,77,7,36,6,38,18
42,27,27,31,64*,39,17,13,15

I wonder which two current world class batsmen produced those figures in their first few innings.

 

[Abdullah719]

I think Babar Azam is going down the road of Mohammad Hafeez the batsman, who is a great asset to the side in ODIs, but a big burden on the Test side...

Let's make this comparison in a decade, insha'Allah.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

He will come good.
Give him time. That said he wont be the best test batsman for Pakistan for some years atleast and we should not expect him to be too.

Babar, Haris, Usman (from the little I saw) are long term investments. and Faadi in Asia or Asian kind of pitches. Just give them time

What I might do is once Haris is there I will put him at no 3 and Babar at no 4 so he faces the new ball comparatively less. He is not good as Haris against pace.

 

[Abdullah]

I think Babar Azam is going down the road of Mohammad Hafeez the batsman, who is a great asset to the side in ODIs, but a big burden on the Test side...

I earlier made a comparison Azam is headed down the road of Malik and Hafeez... it seems flat tracks and easy pitches are the order of the day for Babar to succeed

That's harsh. Did u watch the 90*
Not every1 comes and hits the floor running. Many a better player today had poor records at the start of their career
He does look comfortable out there compared to every1 else.
He needs to be given the full backing by the management

 

[waleed88]

Babar Azams 90* in the flat NZ tracks is testimony to his Hafeezity

1,12,10,77,7,36,6,38,18
42,27,27,31,64*,39,17,13,15

I wonder which two current world class batsmen produced those figures in their first few innings.

Sami Aslam did much better actually, where is he now?

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Babar and Hafeez seem to have the same thing in common. The plus side for Babar is he hasn't faced a bowler like Dale Steyn to make him his bunny

I don't know what to say here...

 

[waleed88]

That's harsh. Did u watch the 90*
Not every1 comes and hits the floor running. Many a better player today had poor records at the start of their career
He does look comfortable out there compared to every1 else.
He needs to be given the full backing by the management

That 90* not out was on a pitch that got better as the day went on, we even saw Sohail Khan get a 50.. does that mean he is a great batsman too?? NZ plundered 350 in close to 60 overs in the 3rd -4th day..

Point is that pitch was flat as a pancake..

Sami Aslam got 90 odd runs in the 4th innings in the same test match, that innings was a much better fighting knock than Babar's...

 

[Haz95]

Sami Aslam did much better actually, where is he now?

Sami Aslam has the potential to match Azhar Ali. Moronic people who get hormonal over a few failures are the reason he was dropped...them type of people remind you of anyone?

 

[waleed88]

Sami Aslam has the potential to match Azhar Ali. Moronic people who get hormonal over a few failures are the reason he was dropped...them type of people remind you of anyone?

The guy needs to be shown the bench for once, when you don't see it for too long, you forget what its like to sit on it and take your place for granted

 

[waleed88]

20 year olds can get their heads in the sky too easily... sometimes a good jolt is what is needed to fix them up

 

[Haz95]

The guy needs to be shown the bench for once, when you don't see it for too long, you forget what its like to sit on it and take your place for granted

Your bizarre disdain for Babar Azam is getting incredibly creepy. It for one has made you forget that the person taking their place for granted is Asad Shafiq who has done zilch since that overrated Brisbane knock.

Asad Shafiq is the Wahab of batting. I don't care if he produces 'one of the greatest ever knocks' in the next match because he will surely follow it with 6 more failures.

 

[waleed88]

Your bizarre disdain for Babar Azam is getting incredibly creepy. It for one has made you forget that the person taking their place for granted is Asad Shafiq who has done zilch since that overrated Brisbane knock.

Asad Shafiq is the Wahab of batting. I don't care if he produces 'one of the greatest ever knocks' in the next match because he will surely follow it with 6 more failures.

Can't compare a Babar with a Shafiq, who's been producing the goods for over 6 years.. in a position that is not suited to him

 

[waleed88]

Shafiq would be the Wahab of batting, if Wahab was asked to produce with the new ball and he swung it like Mohammad Amir, or even better than him at times

 

[troodon]

Babar Azam is the only good thing going for Pakistan and you cannot drop him.

 

[Haz95]

Can't compare a Babar with a Shafiq, who's been producing the goods for over 6 years.. in a position that is not suited to him

'Can compare Babar with Shafiq'. Yes yes of course, you can only get menstrual over Babar because of your bizarre obsession with the guy.

Stop with the ridiculous excuses... 0,0,16,17,23,0,2,137,50,16,4,30,22,15,0. Absolutely horrendous barring that Brisbane knock. This guy has been around for 6 years and is still 'finding his feet'. If Babar did as such 6 years on, you can be sure that I'd be speaking of him in the same way. Stop with this bullcrap of position not suited either because then you can use that same excuse for Umar Akmal.

Forget YK and Misbah, Pakistan must get rid of Shafiq. Total garbage.

 

[Buffet]

Hafeez and Babar don't look similar if you see them bat. Not sure why you will compare these two.

Very few batsmen do well in unfamiliar conditions in first round so you shouldn't read too much into how Babar is doing it.

 

[waleed88]

'Can compare Babar with Shafiq'. Yes yes of course, you can only get menstrual over Babar because of your bizarre obsession with the guy.

Stop with the ridiculous excuses... 0,0,16,17,23,0,2,137,50,16,4,30,22,15,0. Absolutely horrendous barring that Brisbane knock. This guy has been around for 6 years and is still 'finding his feet'. If Babar did as such 6 years on, you can be sure that I'd be speaking of him in the same way. Stop with this bullcrap of position not suited either because then you can use that same excuse for Umar Akmal.

Forget YK and Misbah, Pakistan must get rid of Shafiq. Total garbage.

Start with the two zeros from the Sharjah Test.. I see what you did there,

Because before that Shafiq has 3 50's, 1 century vs England in England.... and 2 more 50s agains the same opponent...

 

[Haz95]

Start with the two zeros from the Sharjah Test.. I see what you did there,

Because before that Shafiq has 3 50's, 1 century vs England in England.... and 2 more 50s agains the same opponent...

Does it matter? I picked his 15 most recent innings to show his recent 'successes'. At least Babar has a 70 odd in the previous game.

 

[superman]

Here are the stats of Babar Azam in his last 14 innings :

7,29,90*,16,19,14,23,3,0,9,72,9*,0,0

Batting average of 27.21

Only 3 50's in 16 innings. One 50 in his last 12 innings..

Should he be dropped in the 3rd Test Match?

I can't think of any other youngster who was given 8 chances to show his talent but failed to show it in 13 of his 16 innings...

Maybe try Shan Masood in the 3rd game, and play Azhar Ali one down

Shan masood for babar? Bro who is your supplier and can i get some of what you are on? If your not trolling lets also take our amir and out in junaid zia and make najam sethis son the captain for the last match. Some prople

 

[waleed88]

Shan masood for babar? Bro who is your supplier and can i get some of what you are on? If your not trolling lets also take our amir and out in junaid zia and make najam sethis son the captain for the last match. Some prople

Why not? He was in the 15 man squad wasn't he? Bias is you saying only Babar Azam deserves a place in the side despite scoring 1 50 in 12 innings... How am I being biased? Doesn't Shan Masood play domestic and first class? Or only Babar Azam is allowed that privelege

 

[waleed88]

شان مسعود آپکی پھپی کا لڑکا ہے ؟


Shan Masood in place of Babar Azam ? Are you kidding me ? Khuda ko maan laala

Do you think Babar Azam deserves to bat after getting a pair?

Even Shafiq was demoted to 6 after he got one... and he has been in the side for 6 years

 

[Muhammad10]

He has the potential. Therefore, I'd move him down the order for a while and bring in Usman for Asad, who has never matured despite being shielded below two 40-year-olds for as long as I can remember.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Do you think Babar Azam deserves to bat after getting a pair?

Even Shafiq was demoted to 6 after he got one... and he has been in the side for 6 years

His Test performances are not satisfactory but let the boy settle. Pakistani players due to many social, cultural & religious reasons are not mature enough and strong enough mentally so if they are dropped at such stages their confidence is destroyed forever.


This isn't the first time a youngster has bagged a pair. Second innings dismissal was a unlucky way to get out.


The only player on bench I would have been tempted to replace Babar with would have been Haris. Since He isn't there I won't replace him with inferior batsman. Actually even with Haris I wouldn't drop Babar because 2 innings earlier he scored 72* so he shouldn't be dropped because he failed in 1 Test. Yes he needs to tighten up his game in Test Cricket and improve his consistency but his innings of 90* in difficult conditions of NZ proved that he is one for the future.


People are also calling for Shafique's head and majority are saying that. I don’t agree. 7 years Test Investment is huge. Azhar & Shafiq have to be the main stays after YK and MUH leave.

 

[sharon javed]

Sami Aslam did much better actually, where is he now?

sami aslam can easily score 10 k test runs if given chances

 

[ahsan17]

Amla averaged in mid 30s for at least 3-4 years at the start of his career.

 

[waleed88]

Amla averaged in mid 30s for at least 3-4 years at the start of his career.

Amla played in an era when Aussie and rival pitches weren't this flat...

To be getting out in this way time and time again point to a poor technique

 

[Abdullah719]

Amla played in an era when Aussie and rival pitches weren't this flat...

To be getting out in this way time and time again point to a poor technique

He was caught off a leading edge, and caught down the leg-side in this match.

Hardly dismissals that you see every day.

You're making it sound like he's nicking to the slips for fun or getting LBW for fun.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

He is and will soon become a very good batsman in Test cricket too.

 

[waleed88]

He was caught off a leading edge, and caught down the leg-side in this match.

Hardly dismissals that you see every day.

You're making it sound like he's nicking to the slips for fun or getting LBW for fun.

They seem to be happening on frequent occassions. Whether its straight delivery from Josh Hazelwood to be leg before the wicket trying to play across the line first up or his two dismissals against the Windies.. this is frequent happening and not a rare sighting.

If player is getting out time and again trying to flick the ball, it points to the player under prepared, or not ready to play at the highest level.. these are school boy errors which atleast shouldn't happen at International cricket

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

I wouldn't be surprised if we do to Babar what we did to Umar (before he was insane )

Ie only give them one game in Asia, play all their cricket abroad and then drop them so lesser players can feast in the UAE

 

[Ultimate]

Some people overhype him to the extent that they forget his FC batting record, which is mediocre. I am not surprised with his failures in Test cricket so far.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

I don't agree with the thread, but he did make his debut vs the WI in the UAE.

yes bro his debut match and that is the only match and 2 inns he played in UAE so far...scored 90 runs with a fifty in that match and avg 45

You can't expect a player to be in the team to not perform, he's not been thrown at the deep end, he was moved up in place of a more experienced and deserved Shafiq. Babar's developement has gone haywire and its clear he is not cut out for a no.3 role in Test Matches, he doesn't have the technique and patience for it

Throw anyone else and give him 16 innings to perform, he might get one or two 50s here or there too..

Unfortunately Fawad Alam never got this sort of support, benched in his 3rd test match after failing...

a run of 8 test matches is kind of a free ride

7,29,90*,16,19,14,23,3,0,9,72,9*,0,0

All the scores above are in away conditions.. Yet he has 2 half centuries as a young lad batting at no.3..

give the same sort of chances to who ever you want to and then decide who is good.. Im 100% sure you will comeback and give Babar azam the chance again at no.3...

Babar Azam like batsman are one for the decade.. He will join the league of Root, Kohli and Kane soon which I think he already is..

 

[ask_analyse_act]

I wouldn't be surprised if we do to Babar what we did to Umar (before he was insane )

Ie only give them one game in Asia, play all their cricket abroad and then drop them so lesser players can feast in the UAE

Yes me too.... destroyed UA completely,,, now he is worse than Afridi in batting...

 

[ask_analyse_act]

He was caught off a leading edge, and caught down the leg-side in this match.

Hardly dismissals that you see every day.

You're making it sound like he's nicking to the slips for fun or getting LBW for fun.

If they can watch test cricket as like you do, this thread wouldn't exist...

 

[Ultimate]

yes bro his debut match and that is the only match and 2 inns he played in UAE so far...scored 90 runs with a fifty in that match and avg 45



7,29,90*,16,19,14,23,3,0,9,72,9*,0,0

All the scores above are in away conditions.. Yet he has 2 half centuries as a young lad batting at no.3..

give the same sort of chances to who ever you want to and then decide who is good.. Im 100% sure you will comeback and give Babar azam the chance again at no.3...

Babar Azam like batsman are one for the decade.. He will join the league of Root, Kohli and Kane soon which I think he already is..

He may join the league of Root, Kohli, Williamson and Smith only in ODI cricket. But not in Test cricket, as domestic cricket sets the base, where he has a mediocre FC record. Kindly don't intermix formats.

 

[Ultimate]

He was caught off a leading edge, and caught down the leg-side in this match.

Hardly dismissals that you see every day.

You're making it sound like he's nicking to the slips for fun or getting LBW for fun.

At end of the day, overall record counts, where he has a mediocre record so far, backed by a mediocre FC record.

 

[R0H1T]

So long as he can last 100~200 balls every now & then he should be persisted with, if he's getting in & getting out quickly then he needs to be dropped to sort his game out at FC level.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

In the hindsight Sami Aslam, Umar Amin, Umar Akmal shouldn't be dropped from tests in the first place..

Moreover Haris Sohail should have been given the chance in tests when he did well in ODIs and showed his worth playing pace and spin with much ease..

I liked the way MICKEY brought Sharjeel to test cricket, which would have been the most fruitful thing to happen for him and pak.. Sharjeel idiot ditched his own career, would have made more money and fame from a 10 -14 years long career..

 

[TahirFan]

Give Babar Azam a chance

Don't forget that Kallis and Amla had very poor starts to their careers

 

[ask_analyse_act]

At end of the day, overall record counts, where he has a mediocre record so far, backed by a mediocre FC record.

Would like to know the record of all the batsmen from these series of inns below mentioned in OP..

7,29,90*,16,19,14,23,3,0,9,72,9*,0,0

Main parameter to keep an eye on is how many balls did they face in total..

 

[Ultimate]

Would like to know the record of all the batsmen from these series of inns below mentioned in OP..

7,29,90*,16,19,14,23,3,0,9,72,9*,0,0

Main parameter to keep an eye on is how many balls did they face in total..

I don't care about how many balls they have faced, it doesn't matter much in Test cricket. The overall batting average will always be more important.

 

[waleed88]

yes bro his debut match and that is the only match and 2 inns he played in UAE so far...scored 90 runs with a fifty in that match and avg 45



7,29,90*,16,19,14,23,3,0,9,72,9*,0,0

All the scores above are in away conditions.. Yet he has 2 half centuries as a young lad batting at no.3..

give the same sort of chances to who ever you want to and then decide who is good.. Im 100% sure you will comeback and give Babar azam the chance again at no.3...

Babar Azam like batsman are one for the decade.. He will join the league of Root, Kohli and Kane soon which I think he already is..

Talk about overrating an already overrated player, who averages 27 in test match cricket

 

[waleed88]

His career is already a foregone conclusion for me, he will do great to learn some offspin to provide some capabilities of an allrounder... because his technique is nowhere near that of an International batsman to be persisted with in Test Matches... will probably end up having sorry stats like Hafeez if he is persisted in Test Matches any longer...
After having an already below parr tour to Australia averaging 12... he now has a pair to show for his efforts in the Windies

 

[ask_analyse_act]

He may join the league of Root, Kohli, Williamson and Smith only in ODI cricket. But not in Test cricket, as domestic cricket sets the base, where he has a mediocre FC record. Kindly don't intermix formats.

Kohli, Joe Root, kane, smith , amla, kallis, all had struggled starts to their careers

Steve Smith
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...3;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

Amla
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...8;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

Kallis
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...8;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

Kane W
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...2;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

Joe Root - though he avg good among the one i have shared here
look at his record for the first tour to AUS and NZL.. he is not an Asian batsman
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...4;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

Kohli
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...3;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting


The above records and links each one of them are self-explanatory..In summary the links have the records of the players for their first 3 years or first 20 inns or first 20 tests however you want to read is upto you..

Hope you hold your horses now from jumping into the bandwagon..

Moreover mainly this is the reason all other countries have one star player like kohli, root, kane, smith but pak is still finding

 

[ask_analyse_act]

His career is already a foregone conclusion for me, he will do great to learn some offspin to provide some capabilities of an allrounder...

because his technique is nowhere near that of an International batsman to be persisted with in Test Matches...

will probably end up having sorry stats like Hafeez if he is persisted in Test Matches any longer...
After having an already below parr tour to Australia averaging 12... he now has a pair to show for his efforts in the Windies

do you really know how to judge batsmen.

Same thinking applied and the following names were dropped from tests Umar Amin , Sami aslam, Umar akmal and now the knife is towards to Babar Azam lol..


What was the record of all the senior batsmen who has crossed 10k runs, in these two series... how consistent was he in all these tours that you have started the thread in the first place...

 

[Ultimate]

Kohli, Joe Root, kane, smith , amla, kallis, all had struggled starts to their careers

Steve Smith
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...3;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

Amla
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...8;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

Kallis
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...8;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

Kane W
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...2;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

Joe Root - though he avg good among the one i have shared here
look at his record for the first tour to AUS and NZL.. he is not an Asian batsman
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...4;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

Kohli
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...3;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting


The above records and links each one of them are self-explanatory..In summary the links have the records of the players for their first 3 years or first 20 inns or first 20 tests however you want to read is upto you..

Hope you hold your horses now from jumping into the bandwagon..

Moreover mainly this is the reason all other countries have one star player like kohli, root, kane, smith but pak is still finding

If you want our answer to Root and Smith in Test cricket, then it is Haris Sohail, provided he stays fit.

By the way, Kohli, Smith, Root, Williamson etc, all averaged above 45 in FC, after 20 FC games, while Babar averages under 40. So, this is a big difference, dude. FC statistics are the standard.

 

[waleed88]

do you really know how to judge batsmen.

Same thinking applied and the following names were dropped from tests Umar Amin , Sami aslam, Umar akmal and now the knife is towards to Babar Azam lol..


What was the record of all the senior batsmen who has crossed 10k runs, in these two series... how consistent was he in all these tours that you have started the thread in the first place...

Umar Amin has been given more than enough chances to prove his metall, same was the case for UA.. and both were dropped as a result of having poor attitude towards test cricket.. Babar has been given 8 chances.. more than enough to judge a batsman..

Sami aslam has put impressive numbers in England and NZ... while he was unfairly benched in the 3rd game and dropped altogether for the WI tour... that was the travesty and tragedy that cannot be compared to anyone including Babar..

You have to wonder what Babar has going for himself after being a resounding failiure at the test match level... maybe its the association with the akmals

 

[captain crook]

Ok now.. remove Babar from tests because he failed for a couple of innings in WI... wait we did the same with Umar Akmal.. so fickle we are!

 

[pakistani pride]

If we can invest all those years in mentally weak bat like shafiq for sure we can give babar atleast a year to settle.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Umar Amin has been given more than enough chances to prove his metall, same was the case for UA.. and both were dropped as a result of having poor attitude towards test cricket.. Babar has been given 8 chances.. more than enough to judge a batsman..

Sami aslam has put impressive numbers in England and NZ... while he was unfairly benched in the 3rd game and dropped altogether for the WI tour... that was the travesty and tragedy that cannot be compared to anyone including Babar..

You have to wonder what Babar has going for himself after being a resounding failiure at the test match level... maybe its the association with the akmals

Amin played 4 tests at the age of 20 in ENG and dropped - So you want your youngster beauties play like Zaheer Abbas and Majid Khan since debut - fantastic

Akmal - out of 16 tests 1 match in UAE and dropped.. - excellent

Sami Aslam - player who avg 55 overall in Eng, dropped for avg 21 in AUS n NZL.. - tracer bullet

All these are not experienced blokes.. ok now lets see the experienced blokes of pak MOYO, MYK and MISBAH in their first 3 years of their overall batting avg [MENTION=143225]Ultimate[/MENTION] abroad in conditions alien to them...

MOYO
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...1;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting
MYK
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...3;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting
MISBAH
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...0;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

 

[ask_analyse_act]

If you want our answer to Root and Smith in Test cricket, then it is Haris Sohail, provided he stays fit.

By the way, Kohli, Smith, Root, Williamson etc, all averaged above 45 in FC, after 20 FC games, while

Babar averages under 40.

So, this is a big difference, dude. FC statistics are the standard.

To avg under 40 there was a reason where Babar said he played with an injury or got injured mid-way to the season or something.. i forgot that to be exact you can find them in one of Babar Azam interview done by PP

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Umar Amin has been given more than enough chances to prove his metall, same was the case for UA.. and both were dropped as a result of having poor attitude towards test cricket.. Babar has been given 8 chances.. more than enough to judge a batsman..

Sami aslam has put impressive numbers in England and NZ... while he was unfairly benched in the 3rd game and dropped altogether for the WI tour... that was the travesty and tragedy that cannot be compared to anyone including Babar..

You have to wonder what Babar has going for himself after being a resounding failiure at the test match level... maybe its the association with the akmals

Also do u think to judge them by avg 50 in UAE is equivalent to avg 50 in ENG, AUS, NZL, WI and SA...

Do you even rate them on playing conditions alien to them..

 

[Khan12]

His career is already a foregone conclusion for me, he will do great to learn some offspin to provide some capabilities of an allrounder... because his technique is nowhere near that of an International batsman to be persisted with in Test Matches... will probably end up having sorry stats like Hafeez if he is persisted in Test Matches any longer...
After having an already below parr tour to Australia averaging 12... he now has a pair to show for his efforts in the Windies

Lol. One of the most clueless post I have ever read on pp. Congratulations.

 

[dildildalwalla]

Of course he is. He just needs the experience.

Just look at how so many other top players have started their test careers. He needs to be part of the long term plan BUT I feel he should be dropped for the next match with an extra bowler brought in, Khan moving up and Salahuddin given a shot in the middle order.

 

[Hasan123]

Babar should be persisted with. He clearly has the ability and technique for test level. He hasn't played many 1st class matches. I think he should learn in international cricket and our domestic system will make him regress as a batsmen.

That innings vs NZ showed he has the ability for this level. I would give him a long rope yet.

Spreadsheet clan who want him dropped after one bad game will be debuting new players every series.

 

[waleed88]

Babar should be persisted with. He clearly has the ability and technique for test level. He hasn't played many 1st class matches. I think he should learn in international cricket and our domestic system will make him regress as a batsmen.

That innings vs NZ showed he has the ability for this level. I would give him a long rope yet.

Spreadsheet clan who want him dropped after one bad game will be debuting new players every series.

Don't debut anyone, just give domestic performers a go those who deserve it ahead of this guy... one innings in NZ on a flat deck does no wonders to his sorry average... even Sohail Khan scored a 50 in the same series... lets play him one down as well

 

[Hasan123]

Don't debut anyone, just give domestic performers a go those who deserve it ahead of this guy... one innings in NZ on a flat deck does no wonders to his sorry average... even Sohail Khan scored a 50 in the same series... lets play him one down as well

You have an agenda against Babar for some weird reason.

He's a young player he isn't going to score in every game. Dropping him isn't going to do anything.

Sohail Khan didn't score 92 batting at 3 on a green wicket. That was Babar Azam.

 

[waleed88]

You have an agenda against Babar for some weird reason.

He's a young player he isn't going to score in every game. Dropping him isn't going to do anything.

Sohail Khan didn't score 92 batting at 3 on a green wicket. That was Babar Azam.

It wasn't green... please it was a day 2-3 wicket... and how easy it was to bat on... that NZ pummelled 320 in runs at 4-5 an over to our bowlers which was the 3rd innings of the game..

Pakistan were 100-0 in their 4th innings until we decided to chase down the total and committed harakiri

 

[Junaids]

Babar Azam is a 22 year old boy.

He has played 8 Tests, of which 7 outside Asia, and averages 27.21.

How can you drop him on that basis? The only Pakistani in recent decades to play so much of his cricket outside Asia and to average more than that was........his cousin Umar Akmal.

Babar is going to be fine. I'd worry if he was averaging less than 20, but he isn't.

He's made some mistakes - two dismissals in the last Test playing high risk/low reward leg glances.

But if he learns from those mistakes he will be a great asset.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Don't debut anyone, just give

domestic performers

a go those who deserve it ahead of this guy... one innings in NZ on a flat deck does no wonders to his sorry average... even Sohail Khan scored a 50 in the same series... lets play him one down as well

yes please

because Pindi is equivalent to Perth

Gadaffi = Gabba

Karachi = Headingley

and they face starc, Boult and anderson day n night...

 

[Markhor]

Ideally Babar would've been eased in at 6 with Shafiq making his long-awaited promotion to 3 but Arthur didn't really handle that well.

 

[waleed88]

Ideally Babar would've been eased in at 6 with Shafiq making his long-awaited promotion to 3 but Arthur didn't really handle that well.

+1
Babar Azam is the cure to all of his problems apparently

 

[waleed88]

Babar Azam is a 22 year old boy.

He has played 8 Tests, of which 7 outside Asia, and averages 27.21.

How can you drop him on that basis? The only Pakistani in recent decades to play so much of his cricket outside Asia and to average more than that was........his cousin Umar Akmal.

Babar is going to be fine. I'd worry if he was averaging less than 20, but he isn't.

He's made some mistakes - two dismissals in the last Test playing high risk/low reward leg glances.

But if he learns from those mistakes he will be a great asset.

Sometimes 22 year old boys can get their heads in the sky very easily, when they have seen the bench from far away for a long time, they think they can do whatever they want and get away with... a bench demotion once will make you realize what it took for him to become a regular...

 

[Destroyer88]

Dropping babar azam wil be a huge let down. Yes his test performance hasnt been as illustrous as his limited over game but this guy needs to settle down. If the team management is sensible then we would invest with him. The problem with us guys is our tolerance level. Failure in a few innings and we start calling for the guy's head. Same with asad shafiq, the guy's been an investment. The argument can be applied on his recent performances as well. Should we drop him as well?? Too many questions on whom can we replace.
Shan masood is a definite no-no. The guy has a very limited game. Maybe he should have had more opportunities with yk and misbah to develop his game

 

[Abdullah719]

They seem to be happening on frequent occassions. Whether its straight delivery from Josh Hazelwood to be leg before the wicket trying to play across the line first up or his two dismissals against the Windies.. this is frequent happening and not a rare sighting.

If player is getting out time and again trying to flick the ball, it points to the player under prepared, or not ready to play at the highest level.. these are school boy errors which atleast shouldn't happen at International cricket

Yes, hopefully Babar improves soon.

But Shafiq has been getting out in this way for the past seven years.

Now that is what I call real disappointment.

I dislike it when players don't show any improvement.

Too early for Babar, but I am expecting him to get better with time. Let's see.

Obviously if he continues this output for a prolonged period of time, there will be some questions over his place in the side, and they will be justified. However, they won't be on the basis of flimsy theories such as '22-year-olds get carried away and need to be benched'.

 

[waleed88]

Yes, hopefully Babar improves soon.

But Shafiq has been getting out in this way for the past seven years.

Now that is what I call real disappointment.

I dislike it when players don't show any improvement.

Too early for Babar, but I am expecting him to get better with time. Let's see.

Obviously if he continues this output for a prolonged period of time, there will be some questions over his place in the side, and they will be justified. However, they won't be on the basis of flimsy theories such as '22-year-olds get carried away and need to be benched'.

We've seen it happen too many times before, overrated youngster, hyped to no ends, build up as the next Sachin, Inzamam, Saeed Anwar, Virat Kohli, ends up disappointing... specially in our cricketing circuit

 

[Abdullah719]

He may join the league of Root, Kohli, Williamson and Smith only in ODI cricket. But not in Test cricket, as domestic cricket sets the base, where he has a mediocre FC record. Kindly don't intermix formats.

At end of the day, overall record counts, where he has a mediocre record so far, backed by a mediocre FC record.

When Joe Root made his Test debut, he had a similar FC record as Babar does right now.

 

[Iddy]

Whilst Babar has struggled in Tests, you can tell that he can bat and should do well in the longer run. He needs to stay with the team and be persisted with for now.