[PICTURES] Is it time to apologize Babar Azam courtesy of team India's awful performance in the MCG Test?

[Nikhil_cric]

High quality batsman , Babar. Should play all formats for the next 10 years imo.

 

[Major]

How's this, Prove the 2015 claim first and then we'll take it from their.

This was your first accusation. Prove it right now.

Here you go. Ok not 2015, but 2014. Missed it by an year.

You yourself have said it below you only started to understand the game after 2014. So for a guy who has an understanding of the game of only 10 years, i dont take his opinion on cricket before 2014 of any value.

From now on i wont say you started following cricket after 2015 ( i apologies for that, but will claim 2014 now)

 

[Rana]

@Major @Kianig89

I found their honours on Wikipedia, there is no mention of winning t20 titles. So are you guys making stuff up?

 

[Mamoon]

No it's not?

At the end of your career your avg decreases due to age and decline. For example steve smith use to avg 61 but now it's 56 and understandably so.

The only reason kohli is clowned on is because of his refusal to retire and the fact that his decline was significantly worse then batters like sachin, steve smith and various others who atleast could still perform in certain conditons.

Secondly neither of those 2 dropped their avg by 10 points.

Babar on the other hand even in his prime never averaged 50+ in test cricket unlike kohli, Smith, Sachin etc.

The fact that he's at 43 rn is a travesty since it means it'll decline even further by the time he reaches 36-38.

His only hope is to ensure that within these 5 years he hits a peak or a resurgence like Joe root has and raises his avg upto 50.

It is normal for your average to drop off at the end of your career. However, there is a difference between going from high 50s to low 50s and mid 50s to high 40s. There is not a single Test batting great who batted at 3, 4 or 5 and retired with a less than 50 average.

If you bat at these three numbers and you don't finish your career with a 50 average, you are excluded from the league of greats and find yourself in the "very good" batsman category. It is not about by how many pts your average drops; it is about meeting the minimum benchmark of greatness.

It is better to have your Test average dropped from 75 to 55 (20 pts) by the time you retire than to have it dropped from 55 to 45 (10 pts). Kohli has completely destroyed his Test legacy in the last 5 years not because he is unable to perform or refusing to retire but because he is going to retire with a highly unimpressive batting average for a number 4.

As far as Babar is concerned, people talk about his Test batting peak but his peak is starting now. What people refer to was an early career boom that started at 24 and ended at 27 followed by a mid career slump that started in 2023 but is showing signs of ending in December 2024. Now, at 30, he is entering his prime and the next 3-4 years should be the best period of his career (like it is for most batsmen) which will be followed by an end career slump from 35 to 38 or whenever he retires.

Therefore, I expect Babar to score a lot of Test runs between 2025 and 2029. My expectation is that over the next 40 odd Tests that he will be playing in this period, he should maintain a peak average of around 65+ which will help bring his overall average to 50 and above and if he can keep it above 50 in his end career slump and score 20+ tons and get close to 10k runs, he will establish himself as a Test batting great. If he retires with a less than 50 average (between 45-50), he will end up in the very good category like Kohli.

 

[mominsaigol]

Here you go. Ok not 2015, but 2014. Missed it by an year.

You yourself have said it below you only started to understand the game after 2014. So for a guy who has an understanding of the game of only 10 years, i dont take his opinion on cricket before 2014 of any value.

From now on i wont say you started following cricket after 2015 ( i apologies for that, but will claim 2014 now)
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Started watching in 2011 doofus which is what I said.

Clearly you can't read. As for opinions. Only a madman would take your opinions seriously when they include an atg pakistan odi team composed of

1) imam/saeed (Cant believe you're actually contemplating this)

2) Fakhar

3) Babar

4) Rizwan

5) Miandad

6) Misbah

7) Shadab


To top it off, I dont think I've seen a stupider comment that proclaims that we are still in early 2000's because mid 2000 is 2500 and 2000 continues till 2999.

^^ Nothing beats this in pure and sheer stupidity

 

[Mamoon]

Hahahaha . Aparts from Sri Lankan match that in Asia ,babar don't have any other top knock in test cricket .

KL rahul has scored better test knock than Babar Azam and its not even close .

Babar is a statpaddler nothing more than that.

This shows your ignorance and poor cricket knowledge more than anything. Rejecting facts when they are presented to you is one of the greatest signs of human ignorance and delusion.

 

[mominsaigol]

It is normal for your average to drop off at the end of your career. However, there is a difference between going from high 50s to low 50s and mid 50s to high 40s. There is not a single Test batting great who batted at 3, 4 or 5 and retired with a less than 50 average.

If you bat at these three numbers and you don't finish your career with a 50 average, you are excluded from the league of greats and find yourself in the "very good" batsman category. It is not about by how many pts your average drops; it is about meeting the minimum benchmark of greatness.

It is better to have your Test average dropped from 75 to 55 (20 pts) by the time you retire than to have it dropped from 55 to 45 (10 pts). Kohli has completely destroyed his Test legacy in the last 5 years not because he is unable to perform or refusing to retire but because he is going to retire with a highly unimpressive batting average for a number 4.

As far as Babar is concerned, people talk about his Test batting peak but his peak is starting now. What people refer to was an early career boom that started at 24 and ended at 27 followed by a mid career slump that started in 2023 but is showing signs of ending in December 2024. Now, at 30, he is entering his prime and the next 3-4 years should be the best period of his career (like it is for most batsmen) which will be followed by an end career slump from 35 to 38 or whenever he retires.

Therefore, I expect Babar to score a lot of Test runs between 2025 and 2029. My expectation is that over the next 40 odd Tests that he will be playing in this period, he should maintain a peak average of around 65+ which will help bring his overall average to 50 and above and if he can keep it above 50 in his end career slump and score 20+ tons and get close to 10k runs, he will establish himself as a Test batting great. If he retires with a less than 50 average (between 45-50), he will end up in the very good category like Kohli.

About the kohli comment, Won't address it because if you read my previous comment I already explained why kohli gets clowned on and why his avg dropping from 57 to 47 is a travesty.

I appreciate you for adding some more context, but it's still a reiteration of the points I made about Kohli when it comes to test cricket.

Now for the 2nd half, can't comment either as it's going into predictions and hypotheticals, will have to wait to see if it happens.

 

[Mamoon]

About the kohli comment, Won't address it because if you read my previous comment I already explained why kohli gets clowned on and why his avg dropping from 57 to 47 is a travesty.

I appreciate you for adding some more context, but it's still a reiteration of the points I made about Kohli when it comes to test cricket.

Now for the 2nd half, can't comment either as it's going into predictions and hypotheticals, will have to wait to see if it happens.

Kohli's average was 55 in 2019. In these 5 years, he has played a lot of cricket on batting friendly pitches and yet his average has dropped so much that it is now practically impossible for him to get it to above 50. It is a lesson for any arrogant sports person: it is never too late to have your legacy destroyed.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

guys no more off topic discussion here... stick to the topic and avoid trolling each other

 

[Romali_rotti]

Australia has chose perfect umpires for giving the happy new year gift on Christmas party knowing the his country name and ......

If that news year gift means the end of Rohit and Queen Kohli then I am all for it.

 

[Devadwal]

This shows your ignorance and poor cricket knowledge more than anything. Rejecting facts when they are presented to you is one of the greatest signs of human ignorance and delusion.

I don't live in delusion World like you said once " 99% pakistan fans are delusion if they think babar is good batsman in test cricket " .

You can take U Turn but reality will be Remained Same forever.

Babar is very average test player who has done nothing so far.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Had babar played that inning in MCG then I would have apologized but not on the flat roads of pindi and multan etc. Yep, Babr is the best batter of Pakistan but his recent dip is form is too much.

It is crazy to see him getting out in similar fashion and there is no improvement to counter his shortcomings as well.

 

[mominsaigol]

Had babar played that inning in MCG then I would have apologized but not on the flat roads of pindi and multan etc. Yep, Babr is the best batter of Pakistan but his recent dip is form is too much.

It is crazy to see him getting out in similar fashion and there is no improvement to counter his shortcomings as well.

Babar is not the best batter of pakistan.

In tests saud shakeel is objectively superior to him, he's played 16 test games so far and avg 50+ with 4 centuries compared to babar's 56 test games avg 43 with 9 centuries. Plus he has superior overseas numbers in sri lanka and sa atm

It is not that hard to surpass babar in test, he hasn't set a high benchmark. The only area they are comparable atm is their aus performance which is equally bad.

In odi fakhar is superior atm and I'm 100% sure saim will catch up eventually. Babar has the higher avg and more centuries but 11 of fakhar's centuries come against big teams such as India Ct 100, NZ 123 of 74 chasing 400, 193 vs SA, a double century against zimb( impressive cause no other pakistani batter has scored a double century in odi) etc etc

Saim is early into his career and already has 3 very good centuries as well. However for saim it's a bit of a steep climb atm since he's way too early into his career.

As for t20, Babar is no 1 but the issue is sr and the fact that Pakistan's t20 team is a joke. Being no 1 in pk t20 is like being the no 1 swimmer amoung people who can't swim.

 

[big_gamer007]

Under the circumstances it was a brilliant innings and should be appreciated.

Anyone who talked **** about that innings was pure hating.

Anyone considering that innings as a GOAT innings was obviously biased and trolling.

 

[Slim]

It is normal for your average to drop off at the end of your career. However, there is a difference between going from high 50s to low 50s and mid 50s to high 40s. There is not a single Test batting great who batted at 3, 4 or 5 and retired with a less than 50 average.

If you bat at these three numbers and you don't finish your career with a 50 average, you are excluded from the league of greats and find yourself in the "very good" batsman category. It is not about by how many pts your average drops; it is about meeting the minimum benchmark of greatness.

It is better to have your Test average dropped from 75 to 55 (20 pts) by the time you retire than to have it dropped from 55 to 45 (10 pts). Kohli has completely destroyed his Test legacy in the last 5 years not because he is unable to perform or refusing to retire but because he is going to retire with a highly unimpressive batting average for a number 4.

As far as Babar is concerned, people talk about his Test batting peak but his peak is starting now. What people refer to was an early career boom that started at 24 and ended at 27 followed by a mid career slump that started in 2023 but is showing signs of ending in December 2024. Now, at 30, he is entering his prime and the next 3-4 years should be the best period of his career (like it is for most batsmen) which will be followed by an end career slump from 35 to 38 or whenever he retires.

Therefore, I expect Babar to score a lot of Test runs between 2025 and 2029. My expectation is that over the next 40 odd Tests that he will be playing in this period, he should maintain a peak average of around 65+ which will help bring his overall average to 50 and above and if he can keep it above 50 in his end career slump and score 20+ tons and get close to 10k runs, he will establish himself as a Test batting great. If he retires with a less than 50 average (between 45-50), he will end up in the very good category like Kohli.

Question; how many matches you think he will win for Pakistan? Can he manage to be player of the match in 10 matches in his whole career?

 

[mominsaigol]

Under the circumstances it was a brilliant innings and should be appreciated.

Anyone who talked **** about that innings was pure hating.

Anyone considering that innings as a GOAT innings was obviously biased and trolling.

This thread(op) is basically claiming that Babar is a goat because he scored 196 in a pressure situation and drew a test match while the likes of jaiswal, kohli, rohit or anyone else weren't able to step up and make it count.

The difference is that Karachi and Aussie pitches are a totally different ball game. Babar avg 25 in aus which is pathetic.

Had babar scored 196 in Australia then yes this thread would be valid.

 

[Mesozoic]

I know this is most probably bait but atleast make it somewhat logical and believable lol.

How is scoring on a flat Karachi road where even a pathetic test batter like Rizwan scored a hundred the same thing as playing at the MCG with seam movement and up/down bounce?

 

[uppercut]

Babar is admired for his batting skills by every team

by every team you mean BD,AF,SL,ZIM,WI and not to forget the might nepal and the USA ?

 

[Mamoon]

by every team you mean BD,AF,SL,ZIM,WI and not to forget the might nepal and the USA ?

Australia, England, South Africa, New Zealand and even Indian players admire Babar’s batting. As I said, only low IQ Internet trolls think otherwise.

 

[Mamoon]

I don't live in delusion World like you said once " 99% pakistan fans are delusion if they think babar is good batsman in test cricket " .

You can take U Turn but reality will be Remained Same forever.

Babar is very average test player who has done nothing so far.

I repeat: if you think that, it reflects your ignorance, nothing more.

 

[Mamoon]

Question; how many matches you think he will win for Pakistan? Can he manage to be player of the match in 10 matches in his whole career?

Winning matches is not a one man job. It is a team effort. You can play brilliantly but end up losing and you can play poorly but end up winning.

Khawaja has had a rubbish series but he will end up winning the series while Bumrah for all his brilliance in this series will end up losing.

It is absurd to gauge players by winning/losing in team sports.

 

[Devadwal]

I repeat: if you think that, it reflects your ignorance, nothing more.

What you think I don't care . point remain same - babar is Mediocre Test player who has done nothing in test cricket aparts from one -two innings.

I read somewhere, 99% fans are delusion who don't known nothing about cricket except taking U Turn.

 

[Mamoon]

I know this is most probably bait but atleast make it somewhat logical and believable lol.

How is scoring on a flat Karachi road where even a pathetic test batter like Rizwan scored a hundred the same thing as playing at the MCG with seam movement and up/down bounce?

Firstly, Rizwan is not a pathetic Test batsman. He is better in Test cricket than Dhoni, a joke of a player who was rubbish in two out of three formats but ended up with a biopic. Such is the power and influence of the Indian delusion.

Secondly, Pakistan was starting at a record breaking defeat in that match. They were dismissed for a very slow score in the first innings and had to bat for nearly two days to save the Test.

Battling to save a Test match in the fourth innings when there is nearly two days of play left is a very huge ask on any surface against any bowling attack let alone against a world class bowling attack.

Babar’s epic 196 is the 7th highest fourth innings score in 150 years of Test cricket. It was a magnificent knock and an illustration of skill, mental toughness and fitness.

It was greatly appreciated by the Australian players and media and also won him the MOM award, but apparently, some online keyboard warriors think it was a nothing innings because it was a flat pitch.

As I said, that innings is worth more than most centuries scored by Asian batsmen in Australia, including the 100 and 97 that he scored in Australia in the same Test in 2019.

Rizwan also played well and just because he played well doesn’t mean Babar’s innings was any less valuable. Two players forging a partnership doesn’t lessen the value of either of the two innings. It is one of the best ever partnerships in Pakistan Test history.

 

[gazza619]

I apologise to Babar on behalf of some of the posters on this forum.

 

[Devadwal]

Firstly, Rizwan is not a pathetic Test batsman. He is better in Test cricket than Dhoni, a joke of a player who was rubbish in two out of three formats but ended up with a biopic. Such is the power and influence of the Indian delusion.

Secondly, Pakistan was starting at a record breaking defeat in that match. They were dismissed for a very slow score in the first innings and had to bat for nearly two days to save the Test.

Battling to save a Test match in the fourth innings when there is nearly two days of play left is a very huge ask on any surface against any bowling attack let alone against a world class bowling attack.

Babar’s epic 196 is the 7th highest fourth innings score in 150 years of Test cricket. It was a magnificent knock and an illustration of skill, mental toughness and fitness.

It was greatly appreciated by the Australian players and media and also won him the MOM award, but apparently, some online keyboard warriors think it was a nothing innings because it was a flat pitch.

As I said, that innings is worth more than most centuries scored by Asian batsmen in Australia, including the 100 and 97 that he scored in Australia in the same Test in 2019.

Rizwan also played well and just because he played well doesn’t mean Babar’s innings was any less valuable. Two players forging a partnership doesn’t lessen the value of either of the two innings. It is one of the best ever partnerships in Pakistan Test history.

Why not babar has performed in australia ??

In the last tour if babar had scored 96 forget about 196, pakistan would have won the one test atleast.

Babar had the best chance to ending the winning streak of Australia( Currently 17-0) against Pakistan In australia if he scored some meaningful runs instead Meek surrendered .

 

[uppercut]

Australia, England, South Africa, New Zealand and even Indian players admire Babar’s batting.

since when ?

 

[Mesozoic]

Firstly, Rizwan is not a pathetic Test batsman. He is better in Test cricket than Dhoni, a joke of a player who was rubbish in two out of three formats but ended up with a biopic. Such is the power and influence of the Indian delusion.

Secondly, Pakistan was starting at a record breaking defeat in that match. They were dismissed for a very slow score in the first innings and had to bat for nearly two days to save the Test.

Battling to save a Test match in the fourth innings when there is nearly two days of play left is a very huge ask on any surface against any bowling attack let alone against a world class bowling attack.

Babar’s epic 196 is the 7th highest fourth innings score in 150 years of Test cricket. It was a magnificent knock and an illustration of skill, mental toughness and fitness.

It was greatly appreciated by the Australian players and media and also won him the MOM award, but apparently, some online keyboard warriors think it was a nothing innings because it was a flat pitch.

As I said, that innings is worth more than most centuries scored by Asian batsmen in Australia, including the 100 and 97 that he scored in Australia in the same Test in 2019.

Rizwan also played well and just because he played well doesn’t mean Babar’s innings was any less valuable. Two players forging a partnership doesn’t lessen the value of either of the two innings. It is one of the best ever partnerships in Pakistan Test history.

Ooga booga boo...


Bottom line - It was on a Karachi road and against a tiring Australian attack. I know Pakistani batting standards are low but not that low. It was decentish knock but it's illogical to compare that to something that happened on an Australian day 5 wicket.

And yes Rizwan is a pathetic test batter just like Dhoni was. The fact that he averages 40 while playing majority of his tests on Pakistani cement roads says everything we need to know.

 

[Slim]

Winning matches is not a one man job. It is a team effort. You can play brilliantly but end up losing and you can play poorly but end up winning.

Khawaja has had a rubbish series but he will end up winning the series while Bumrah for all his brilliance in this series will end up losing.

It is absurd to gauge players by winning/losing in team sports.

Please dont avoid my question.

Will Babar have at least 10 player of the match award in tests by the end of his career? I am not even asking for 50. Im asking for 10?

And let me tell you, he wouldnt have that. Hes simply not a match winner. Hes a pathetic stat padder.

 

[Mamoon]

since when ?

Since always unless you have been sleeping under a rock. Babar is the most globally admired Pakistani cricket of the last 15-20 years.

 

[Mamoon]

Please dont avoid my question.

Will Babar have at least 10 player of the match award in tests by the end of his career? I am not even asking for 50. Im asking for 10?

And let me tell you, he wouldnt have that. Hes simply not a match winner. Hes a pathetic stat padder.

I have already answered your question. If you don’t like my answer, how is it my problem.

 

[Mamoon]

Why not babar has performed in australia ??

In the last tour if babar had scored 96 forget about 196, pakistan would have won the one test atleast.

Babar had the best chance to ending the winning streak of Australia( Currently 17-0) against Pakistan In australia if he scored some meaningful runs instead Meek surrendered .

Babar performed very well in Australia in 2019-20. He didn’t do well last year but he hasn’t done well anywhere in the last 1.5 years. It is not a big deal to not do well on a couple of tours. He will have opportunities to improve his record in the future.

 

[Mamoon]

Ooga booga boo...


Bottom line - It was on a Karachi road and against a tiring Australian attack.

A “tiring” Australian attack that had only bowled 75 overs collectively in the entire Test until Babar walked to the crease in the fourth innings.

I know Pakistani batting standards are low but not that low.

Pakistani batting standards are not sky high, but who are Indian fans with their laughable batting standards to hand out batting standards certifications?

Let me expose the batting standards of India in Test cricket:

One of your GOATs and biggest superstars ever who goes by the name of Kohli doesn’t have the skill to average barely above 47 and is huffing & puffing to get to 10k runs.

Mediocre Test batsmen like Rohit and Rahane have collectively played 150+ Tests for India.

A wildly inconsistent and underwhelming Test batsman like Laxman who averaged 46 and only scored 17 centuries in 225 innings was romanticized as a man of crisis to cover up for his inconsistency.

Ganguly survived for 100+ Tests as a batsman with a poor average of 42.

Your so-called prince and future star Gill is averaging 36 and gets clean bowled every third innings.

KL Rahul has played nearly 60 Test matches with an average of 34.

I can go on and on and on. Indian batting standards are in the mud too. You have only produced 2-3 genuinely legendary Test batsmen in your entire history while the rest are products of Indian hype and propaganda.

It was decentish knock but it's illogical to compare that to something that happened on an Australian day 5 wicket.

Firstly, it was a lot more than just a decent innings. A fourth innings score of 196 has only been bettered 6 times in the entire history of Test cricket. It is never easy to bat for that long and go that big when you are staring at defeat in the fourth innings and have to bat for 5+ sessions to save a Test.

That innings was a better than a lot of hundreds scored on Australian soil by Asian batsmen including Babar’s century in Brisbane in 2019.

And yes Rizwan is a pathetic test batter just like Dhoni was. The fact that he averages 40 while playing majority of his tests on Pakistani cement roads says everything we need to know.

Rizwan averages 46 in Australia, 43 in New Zealand and 40 in England as well. He is clearly a very good Test batsman and better than Dhoni.

The only country where he has genuinely struggled in South Africa, but he still has time to correct his record.

 

[uppercut]

Since always unless you have been sleeping under a rock. Babar is the most globally admired Pakistani cricket of the last 15-20 years.

You mean before he was even born?

 

[shaz619]

Why just apologies ?

We been waiting 2 years for his 50 to cut a cake.

 

[Mobashir]

You mean before he was even born?

@Mamoon Strange you didn't answer Such a smart question by the poster.
I didn't knew him, but he looks to be a smart one.

 

[Bewal Express]

The IPL has destroyed Ind techniques. For me 2 things distinguished Ind batsman- good techniques and intelligence. Both are on the wane. Maybe it's the wickets, maybe it's the IPL but they look really poor. Unless I am mistaken, Washington is playing as a batter who bowls the odd over in helpful conditions. Is he really the 6th best Ind batsman?

 

[JaDed]

The IPL has destroyed Ind techniques. For me 2 things distinguished Ind batsman- good techniques and intelligence. Both are on the wane. Maybe it's the wickets, maybe it's the IPL but they look really poor. Unless I am mistaken, Washington is playing as a batter who bowls the odd over in helpful conditions. Is he really the 6th best Ind batsman?

What is Jaiswal’s issue?
Gill has footwork issue but so did Sehwag, Rahul’s issue is a mental one.

Pant is what Dhoni is for us but has much better innings than Dhoni in test.

 

[FearlessRoar]

No not at all. Babar claims to be the premier player so he had to win us a Test match in Australia.

 

[Bewal Express]

What is Jaiswal’s issue?
Gill has footwork issue but so did Sehwag, Rahul’s issue is a mental one.

Pant is what Dhoni is for us but has much better innings than Dhoni in test.

To be fair to him, he looks up for it and doesn't have any obvious issues

 

[Buffet]

No not at all. Babar claims to be the premier player so he had to win us a Test match in Australia.

I don't think batsmen can win tests. You have to outbowl opposition in test to win. In ODI, you have to outbat oposition and win without taking a single wicket. Not true in test.

Babar can draw a test by going big. He can sure contribute in win and he had chance to do the same in the last series in Aus. he had many chances to draw as well.


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Same thing in ongoing SA test. Babar can score a double ton and draw this game. Bowlers had to take 20 wickets to win, Babar can't take those wickets.

 

[FearlessRoar]

I don't think batsmen can win tests. You have to outbowl opposition in test to win. In ODI, you have to outbat oposition and win without taking a single wicket. Not true in test.

Babar can draw a test by going big. He can sure contribute in win and he had chance to do the same in the last series in Aus. he had many chances to draw as well.


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Same thing in ongoing SA test. Babar can score a double ton and draw this game. Bowlers had to take 20 wickets to win, Babar can't take those wickets.

How can you say that batters can't win you a Test match? Don't you remember Ben Stokes' heroics in the 2019 Ashes?

 

[Buffet]

How can you say that batters can't win you a Test match? Don't you remember Ben Stokes' heroics in the 2019 Ashes?

Ben got that chance due to bowlers, otherwise no heroics from Ben will ever result in win in test if bowlers can't pick 20 wickets.

Put it this way,

You can have 11 Bradman playing for you in test, but if you don't have bowlers to pick 20 wickets you can't win test. Primarily bowlers win you tests by taking 20 wickets.

In ODI, it's flipped. If you have 11 Brandman playing for you, you can win ODI by outbatting opposition wihtout taking a single wickets. you can't do that in test.


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Does not mean that both contributions are not required, but relative importance for bowlers vs batsmen for winning games is different in ODI and test. Both can still win you some matches in each format, but making a general point.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Ben got that chance due to bowlers, otherwise no heroics from Ben will ever result in win in test if bowlers can't pick 20 wickets.

Put it this way,

You can have 11 Bradman playing for you in test, but if you don't have bowlers to pick 20 wickets you can't win test. Primamrily bowles win you tests by taking 20 wickets.

In ODI, it's flipped. If you have 11 Brandman playing for you, you can win ODI by outbatting opposition wihtout taking a single wickets. you can't do that in test.


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Does not mean that both contributions are not required, but relative importance for bowlers vs batsmen for winning games is different in ODI and test. Both can still win you some matches in each format, but making a general point.

Bro your logic sounds like Aaqib Javed. Yes bowlers have to take 20 wickets but as it happened today the South Africans posted 600+ runs so now it's safe to say the batters have sealed the deal.

 

[Mamoon]

@Mamoon Strange you didn't answer Such a smart question by the poster.
I didn't knew him, but he looks to be a smart one.

It was such a smart question I went speechless.

 

[Buffet]

Bro your logic sounds like Aaqib Javed. Yes bowlers have to take 20 wickets but as it happened today the South Africans posted 600+ runs so now it's safe to say the batters have sealed the deal.

SA batsmen have sealed the deal that SA won't lose. For winning , SA bowlers have to take 20 wickets otherwise SA is not winning it. It will be bowlers who have to take 20 wickets and win the test for SA. Without that it will end up in a draw. That's the point I was making.

 

[mominsaigol]

What is Jaiswal’s issue?
Gill has footwork issue but so did Sehwag, Rahul’s issue is a mental one.

Pant is what Dhoni is for us but has much better innings than Dhoni in test.

Jaiswal is an exception, in the same way saim ayub is an outlier. Pakistan has zero infrastructure which is why everyone has technical issues. Pakistan's best wb batter fakhar has a baseball stance. However saim is techincally very sound and so is jaiswal.

But Gill has zero footwork, Rahul doesn't have a mental issue, he genuinely can't play seam and swing for the life of him. His footwork issues aren't as bad as Gill but their visibly present and his wristwork is horrible.

Pant is a gilly danda player. Will sometimes kick off and sometimes won't.

As for sehwag, Theirs a difference between having footwork issues and not having your feet move at all like Gill.