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Is Babar Azam the Sachin Tendulkar of Pakistan?

Rana said:
What application of brains does Babar apply in the consistent losses Pakistan suffers with his presence?

Babar was telling Fakhar to slow down when Fakhar was dead set to chase 400 all on his own against NZ in the World Cup, knowing that the rest of the trash were incapable.
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You're reference of the NZ match is the perfect example of Babar using brains. We won that match!!

If Fakhar had gotten out it would've opened up the possibility of more wickets as according to you, rest of the trash were incapable so we could've fallen behind on DLS. Awesome awareness by Babar and Fakhar.

Also how are you trying to pit Fakhar against Babar? You realize Fakhar is sitting out because he supported Babar the captain. Posters see through these childish narratives.
 
pillionrider said:
I don't dislike, forget despise Babar. I just never thought he was destined for the type of greatness many Pakistanis were trying to push on him. Pretty sure I have posts here going back 4-5 years trying to tell Babar fans to reduce their expectations because they were going to end up hating him when he didn't deliver.
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Yes I agree. When did I disagree?

Sachin is way more naturally talented then Babar is. He's a 16 year old who after a few games adjusted to 140kph speed? At 16? That's god level reactions lol.

My point was that Sachin was also hard working. He'd be useless and would have been dropped had he not worked hard.

His biggest example is later on in his career around 2006 where he was struggling with injuries and delayed reactions due to age. He completly changed his playing style afterwards and came back to his best. Takes one heck of a talent to completly change your entire structure.

Sachin's career would have ended in 2006 had he not been hard working.

Babar on the other hand is overrated, as he is not the most talented pakistani batter as the likes of yousaf were way more gifted. But Babar is talented still no doubt about it.

However he's lazy. It should not take 8 years to still figure out how to play spin or improve your backfoot play vs Pace.

The amount of times he's gotten dismissed of that pull shot or Stump out is comical. None of them were mcgrath level unplayable deliveries that Sachin had to face.
 
pillionrider said:
Basically what you're trying to say is - Babar is as naturally gifted as Sachin. If only he'd worked harder and was more committed, he'd have the world at his feet. This is the kind of argument fans of his cousin used to throw out.

I like Babar. Always have.

But there is a reason you don't see 16-year-olds in international cricket (and I'm not even going to entertain those fake 14 and 15-year-olds Pakistan and IK in desperation tried to pull out to compete with Sachin). Playing international cricket at 16 is not something to be discounted. Those extra 1 or 2 years of growth makes a huge difference. I keep seeing here from time to time people saying - Oh Sachin debuted early and played long, that's why he was able to score so much. Like it's not the fantasy of every young cricketer to break into the national team, or every ageing cricketer to try and push for 1 more year in cricket :ROFLMAO:
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Well If Sachin played in Aus than he wouldn't debut in 16.Ind needed a batsman and none where better option than Sachin in that age
 
mominsaigol said:
Yes I agree. When did I disagree?

Sachin is way more naturally talented then Babar is. He's a 16 year old who after a few games adjusted to 140kph speed? At 16? That's god level reactions lol.

My point was that Sachin was also hard working. He'd be useless and would have been dropped had he not worked hard.

His biggest example is later on in his career around 2006 where he was struggling with injuries and delayed reactions due to age. He completly changed his playing style afterwards and came back to his best. Takes one heck of a talent to completly change your entire structure.

Sachin's career would have ended in 2006 had he not been hard working.

Babar on the other hand is overrated, as he is not the most talented pakistani batter as the likes of yousaf were way more gifted. But Babar is talented still no doubt about it.

However he's lazy. It should not take 8 years to still figure out how to play spin or improve your backfoot play vs Pace.

The amount of times he's gotten dismissed of that pull shot or Stump out is comical. None of them were mcgrath level unplayable deliveries that Sachin had to face.
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I guess my point is basically - the reason some Pakistanis are upset with Babar and finding reasons like laziness or lack of intent/commitment to the game is because they set such lofty standards for him and have since found themselves disappointed with what he's been able to deliver. Rather than realizing that their original assumption about his abilities was wrong, they are now trying to explain the result.

btw, I do agree that Babar has somewhat underachieved. Not to the extent that some of you believe. I think he has/had the game to be a better and more aggressive white-ball player.
 
pillionrider said:
Basically what you're trying to say is - Babar is as naturally gifted as Sachin. If only he'd worked harder and was more committed, he'd have the world at his feet. This is the kind of argument fans of his cousin used to throw out.

I like Babar. Always have.

But there is a reason you don't see 16-year-olds in international cricket (and I'm not even going to entertain those fake 14 and 15-year-olds Pakistan and IK in desperation tried to pull out to compete with Sachin). Playing international cricket at 16 is not something to be discounted. Those extra 1 or 2 years of growth makes a huge difference. I keep seeing here from time to time people saying - Oh Sachin debuted early and played long, that's why he was able to score so much. Like it's not the fantasy of every young cricketer to break into the national team, or every ageing cricketer to try and push for 1 more year in cricket :ROFLMAO:
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You guys make too much of this jealousy theory. Pakistan honestly didn't care too much about Sachin. Certainly not enough to try and find and induct random 16 year olds in international out of jealousy. Thats a crazy theory.
 
pillionrider said:
I guess my point is basically - the reason some Pakistanis are upset with Babar and finding reasons like laziness or lack of intent/commitment to the game is because they set such lofty standards for him and have since found themselves disappointed with what he's been able to deliver. Rather than realizing that their original assumption about his abilities was wrong, they are now trying to explain the result.

btw, I do agree that Babar has somewhat underachieved. Not to the extent that some of you believe. I think he has/had the game to be a better and more aggressive white-ball player.
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The original assumption about his abilities are wrong only because Pakistan fans just like indian fans have a horrible habit of overglorfying their players.

For example a year ago they overglorfied Gill and now jaiswal. I'm not saying jaiswal can't become a future atg, but atm nothing implies that he'll reach their, starc contrast from Sachin and kohli who at the same age were 100x better then him. Infact kohli at age 24 was a beast incarnate and so was Sachin.

Similarly Pakistan fans foolishly put him next to kohli. Say what you want about kohli however in his prime he was the 2nd best test batter of this era only behind Steve smith and easily the best odi and t20 batter of his era.

It would have been a tall tall order for Babar to reach kohli's status due to his competition with other batters especially 2019 England who atm were all superior to Babar but they later fizzled out due to injuries(bairstow) or losing interest in odi(root) etc.

Kohli even in 201i was leaps and shoulders > them.

However none of this changes the fact that he is lazy. Babar is not a kohli level talent but he is still an amla, Root, Williamson level talent but he hasn't reached any of them.

even if you argue he isn't on their talent level, He's clearly more talented then the likes of Labu, Latham, will young, etc etc, however these guys are just more hard working.

Latham literally practised day and night to figure bumrah out while Babar doesn't even bother practising against spin or improving his backfoot. Infact every batting coach he's worked with has claimed that Babar doesn't listen and it's impossible to coach him.
 
Another rubbish theory presented here , Umer Akmal better than Babar Azam, really the hate has gone to their brain
 
Fanboy375 said:
Well If Sachin played in Aus than he wouldn't debut in 16.Ind needed a batsman and none where better option than Sachin in that age
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It is possible. Ponting debuted at 20 but has said he felt he was ready at 19. I can agree with that. But the fact is, he debuted for his state at 17. So do you see how big a deal that number 16 is turning out to be.

I played school cricket around 15-16 age bracket for two schools that were the best in the state in terms of quality. Dravid, Uthappa, Mayank Agarwal, Devdutt Padikkal, Kirmani, Sadanand Vishwanatah are national players from these two teams. I was mediocre, so my point is not about me but about the quality of the teams. So we had this really fast bowler in our team who used to scare everyone. He was already playing junior state cricket and he'd have the keeper near the boundary (school-level grounds were obviously smaller). But it wa an intimidating sight for a batsman walking in to see the keeper close to the boundary. We thought he was crazy fast. But do you know how fast he actually was? 2 years later he was picked for the state senior team and was clocked as being as fast as Venkatesh Prasad :dhoni Do you rate Prasad as a tearaway quick?


Now picture Sachin as that school-level playing kid facing up to Wasim Akram, Imran Khan and Waqar Younis on his debut tour. His next set of test matches was in New Zealand against Hadlee and a young Danny Morrison. Then he goes to England and faces some decent bowlers including Fraser and the quick Devon Malcolm. The next set of test matches they prepare for him are vs Mcdermott, Bruce Reid, Merv Hughes, Whitney, Reiffel, Moody and Warne. After this he's sent to South Africa vs Donald and Mcmillan. He literally was thrown into hellfires before he'd even turned 19.

The funny thing is, he was going to be picked even earlier when India went to West Indies. But some of his Mumbai seniors like Gavaskar and Vengsarkar felt it was too risky at 15 or maybe he'd just-turned-16. There is a video of him talking about how disappointed he is for not having been picked for the WI tour. Being a kid, he also is unsophisticated and says, I have no problems with pace. I've played Kapil Dev and other Indian pacers, no problems against them lol
 
Tendulkar was a destroyer. Used to score big 100's in ODI's. I remember those twin 100's against Australia in Sharjah.

He started accumulating runs after his tennis elbow injury. He got out in 90's so many times, otherwise he would have had who knows how many more 100's.

I just checked. He has 18 90's in ODI cricket.
 
Croma said:
Tendulkar was a destroyer. Used to score big 100's in ODI's. I remember those twin 100's against Australia in Sharjah.

He started accumulating runs after his tennis elbow injury. He got out in 90's so many times, otherwise he would have had who knows how many more 100's.

I just checked. He has 18 90's in ODI cricket.
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Lara probably sacrifice his ODI career for test in 2000s.His ODI record in 2000s was laughable.People may argue Lara is better because his runs means much since WI is weak nation and he lacked help like Sachin get from Ganguly or Dravid.But Lara wasn't all format best player while Sachin gave his everything
 
DeadlyVenom said:
You guys make too much of this jealousy theory. Pakistan honestly didn't care too much about Sachin. Certainly not enough to try and find and induct random 16 year olds in international out of jealousy. Thats a crazy theory.
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Oh Imran Khan was obsessed with Sachin. You should check the number of times he used to reference Sachin during those years and finally in Inzy thought he'd unearthed a worthy contender.

Afridi, Hasan Raza are some examples btw of other attempts
 
mominsaigol said:
even if you argue he isn't on their talent level, He's clearly more talented then the likes of Labu, Latham, will young, etc etc, however these guys are just more hard working.
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I agree that it is disgraceful that someone like Labu could end up being more respected than Babar in years to come. It's a joke if it happens.
 
pillionrider said:
I agree that it is disgraceful that someone like Labu could end up being more respected than Babar in years to come. It's a joke if it happens.
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Tbf babar is still ahead of him in status atm.

Labu's biggest achievement is essentially being the equivalent of James faulkner in a world cup atm.

Otherwise he's an okay test and odi player. But babar is regressing day by day.
 
Tendulkar was a failure vs Pakistan in Test cricket, so I don’t think there is any merit to the argument that Pakistan is jealous of Tendulkar. If anything, Pakistan should have a superiority complex.
 
Mamoon said:
Tendulkar was a failure vs Pakistan in Test cricket, so I don’t think there is any merit to the argument that Pakistan is jealous of Tendulkar. If anything, Pakistan should have a superiority complex.
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Also they had more wins vs Ind in 90s.So Pak having Sachin nightmare is a myth
 
Nip it in the bud as they say. I read a stupid comment by someone defending Babar and Rizwan’s selfish tendencies by comparing them to Sachin to justify their approach.

This question needs to be dealt with immediately. Falsehoods cannot be normalised here. Due to the simple fact that Sachin never played T20i for India, and his so called “selfish” tag is generated through the concept of a vast amount of white ball (ODI) games he played for India.

On the other hand, Babar’s selfish tag comes from the vast amount of T20i cricket he has played for Pakistan in which he has used his power as captain to play in positions where he isn’t considered cut for the role. After being dropped, the campaign to have him return has been as selfish, self centred to include Babar at any cost regardless of the team’s actual requirement and at the compromise of striving towards a modern white ball outfit.

So let’s settle this once and for all. Was Sachin as selfish as Babar Azam for his country? Was Sachin given a free pass to play for himself and let the team’s goal go to the dogs? If I recall, Sachin absolutely blazed Pakistan in the 2023 World Cup playing the knock of a lifetime!
 
Sachin 100th 100 - humiliation vs Bangladesh. Sachin played 1 T20 and scored 8 runs. If he played T20I at his peak he would have similar stats to Babar.

Overall Babar will be behind Sachin because Babar does not play as many games as Sachin did but in all parameters like average 100s/innings he will be ahead even era adjusted in white ball cricket. In Tests Sachin is well ahead and arguably GOAT after Bradman. No questions there but in whiteball Babar is the boss.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Sachin 100th 100 - humiliation vs Bangladesh. Sachin played 1 T20 and scored 8 runs. If he played T20I at his peak he would have similar stats to Babar.

Overall Babar will be behind Sachin because Babar does not play as many games as Sachin did but in all parameters like average 100s/innings he will be ahead even era adjusted in white ball cricket. In Tests Sachin is well ahead and arguably GOAT after Bradman. No questions there but in whiteball Babar is the boss.
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Quite sure you are paid by Babar's PR agency to share this delusion here with us.

The guy has been consistently failing for the past two years and he is somehow 'the boss' :apology
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Sachin 100th 100 - humiliation vs Bangladesh. Sachin played 1 T20 and scored 8 runs. If he played T20I at his peak he would have similar stats to Babar.

Overall Babar will be behind Sachin because Babar does not play as many games as Sachin did but in all parameters like average 100s/innings he will be ahead even era adjusted in white ball cricket. In Tests Sachin is well ahead and arguably GOAT after Bradman. No questions there but in whiteball Babar is the boss.
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Yep, people are right that you are a cheap attention seeking troll and most probably not Pakistani.

Whats hilarious is mods like @BouncerGuy falling for it and believing you are genuinely defending Rizbar.
 
Many Pakistani fans don't understand the concept of longevity

Sachin's greatness is bcoz he played at a very high level for almost 19 years ( 1992-2011 ). His blip happened in 2012 at the age of 39. That's insane. Kohli had 7-8 great years before he became mediocre. Babar has 2-3 good years before he became mediocre at the age of 30. Now imagine maintaining that level of consistency for 19 years.

When Sachin was 30 he destroyed Pakistan's most vaunted pace attack in that Centurion WC match and sent 2 legends to retirement ( Wasim and Waqar ). At 30 Babar is struggling against South Africa's C attack

People think if Babar played that many games he wud be as great as Sachin. Babar could not maintain his level after 2-3 years - how do u think he could have lasted 19 years ? Unless Babar played 400 ODIs in that 3 year period ( 2019-22)
 
Sachin fan said:
Yep, people are right that you are a cheap attention seeking troll and most probably not Pakistani.

Whats hilarious is mods like @BouncerGuy falling for it and believing you are genuinely defending Rizbar.
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Bro... I don't care who is defending who... I need facts presented here to beleive anything.. I am not blind.
 
Sachin vs Babar.

Haha, really?

One is an ATG who defied almost 3 generations of cricketers.

Other is a mediocre batsmen who has 2 defining knocks in his entire career and has convulsive fans appreciating his cover drive after which he duly goes back to pavilion.
 
Sachin fan said:
Yep, people are right that you are a cheap attention seeking troll and most probably not Pakistani.

Whats hilarious is mods like @BouncerGuy falling for it and believing you are genuinely defending Rizbar.
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Bro, I post much less than you "Sachin fan". Just because you didn't like th stats I posted about your hero no need to get all defensive. Mods actually know a lot more than average pajeets so save your rubbish.

I post facts and numbers here. Argue if you can. Otherwise run like @Devadwal
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Dr_Bassim said:
Sachin vs Babar.

Haha, really?

One is an ATG who defied almost 3 generations of cricketers.

Other is a mediocre batsmen who has 2 defining knocks in his entire career and has convulsive fans appreciating his cover drive after which he duly goes back to pavilion.
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In whiteball it isn't as bad as you make out. Babar has much better stats even equalising for era at the same stage of their career. Sachin could not score a 100 in the first 100 odd matches almost. He failed on his only t20I match and was a failure in domestic t20
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
In whiteball it isn't as bad as you make out. Babar has much better stats even equalising for era at the same stage of their career. Sachin could not score a 100 in the first 100 odd matches almost. He failed on his only t20I match and was a failure in domestic t20
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T20 wasn't even a thing in Sachin's time.

And Babar sucks at T20. His average means nothing. He can't chase high targets because he is too slow. If he tries to attack, he will lose his wicket.

Again, Babar vs Sachin is a laughable comparison.

Even Kohli who is leagues above Babar falls short when it comes to Sachin because of his Test pedigree.
 
Rana said:
Nip it in the bud as they say. I read a stupid comment by someone defending Babar and Rizwan’s selfish tendencies by comparing them to Sachin to justify their approach.

This question needs to be dealt with immediately. Falsehoods cannot be normalised here. Due to the simple fact that Sachin never played T20i for India, and his so called “selfish” tag is generated through the concept of a vast amount of white ball (ODI) games he played for India.

On the other hand, Babar’s selfish tag comes from the vast amount of T20i cricket he has played for Pakistan in which he has used his power as captain to play in positions where he isn’t considered cut for the role. After being dropped, the campaign to have him return has been as selfish, self centred to include Babar at any cost regardless of the team’s actual requirement and at the compromise of striving towards a modern white ball outfit.

So let’s settle this once and for all. Was Sachin as selfish as Babar Azam for his country? Was Sachin given a free pass to play for himself and let the team’s goal go to the dogs? If I recall, Sachin absolutely blazed Pakistan in the 2023 World Cup playing the knock of a lifetime!
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Rana, why even bother arguing with lockdown-era Rizwan fans (@RizwanT20Champ ) on this?

Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar owned Pakistan in every World Cup clash — 1992, 1996, 1999, and 2003 (and did fine in 2011 too). Every single time, he walked in, attacked our bowlers and removed all pressure from his team before Pakistan could even settle.

His strike rate, his tempo, his shot selection — everything was ahead of his time. If you’re looking for a modern-day equivalent in terms of impact and balance between control and aggression, Travis Head and Rohit Sharma are the closest you’ll find, but I still rate Sachin higher as he more solidity and control.

Babar Azam’s ODI strike rate in the two-new-ball era is 87. Sachin, who started in the 1980s and played through 2011, finished with nearly the same number — 87 — but against far tougher conditions, bowlers, and equipment. For comparison sakes, Ponting and Saeed’s is 80.

Comparing anyone to Sachin is just comedy. He wasn’t merely great — he was relentless. On his day, he made even Wasim Akram look pretty ordinary.
 
Farabi said:
Rana, why even bother arguing with lockdown-era Rizwan fans (@RizwanT20Champ ) on this?

Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar owned Pakistan in every World Cup clash — 1992, 1996, 1999, and 2003 (and did fine in 2011 too). Every single time, he walked in, attacked our bowlers and removed all pressure from his team before Pakistan could even settle.

His strike rate, his tempo, his shot selection — everything was ahead of his time. If you’re looking for a modern-day equivalent in terms of impact and balance between control and aggression, Travis Head and Rohit Sharma are the closest you’ll find, but I still rate Sachin higher as he more solidity and control.

Babar Azam’s ODI strike rate in the two-new-ball era is 87. Sachin, who started in the 1980s and played through 2011, finished with nearly the same number — 87 — but against far tougher conditions, bowlers, and equipment. For comparison sakes, Ponting and Saeed’s is 80.

Comparing anyone to Sachin is just comedy. He wasn’t merely great — he was relentless. On his day, he made even Wasim Akram look pretty ordinary.
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Spoken like a true Indian, congrats.
 
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Peak Tendulkar(above) was peerless. Anwar, Waugh and even Lara couldn't keep up with that . Extreme consistency combined with a high strike rate.

After that, with age and tennis elbow issues, he was still a damn good player but not the outlier he used to be, with the likes of MSD, Hussey, AB, Watson, Symonds and KP matching him for both consistency and impact

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Dr_Bassim said:
T20 wasn't even a thing in Sachin's time.

And Babar sucks at T20. His average means nothing. He can't chase high targets because he is too slow. If he tries to attack, he will lose his wicket.

Again, Babar vs Sachin is a laughable comparison.

Even Kohli who is leagues above Babar falls short when it comes to Sachin because of his Test pedigree.
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These are Babar's stats in wins

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Babar is to T20Is what Sachin is to ODIs. Top of the table. If you say Babar sucks in T20Is, then Sachin was crap in ODIs
 
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Tendulker in T20s and this is not even T20Is like for Babar as Tendulkar played just 1 of those and failed. This is all T20s over a 96 match sample. Tendu was strike 121 and averaging 32.9 and this includes mostly IPL I am assuming which is a good level below T20Is.
 
“Does Babar have the same importance for Pakistan as Sachin did for India?"

The answer is an emphatic yes.

Babar holds immense significance for Pakistani cricket, drawing thousands of fans to the stadium. The crowd's enthusiasm is palpable, and their excitement is evident when they flock to watch Babar play and then leave the ground once he is out.

I believe this clearly demonstrates the level of admiration and importance Babar holds, similar to the legendary Sachin Tendulkar for India.
 
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These are Babar's stats in wins

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Babar is to T20Is what Sachin is to ODIs. Top of the table. If you say Babar sucks in T20Is, then Sachin was crap in ODIs
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Naah.

Sachin has won an ODI WC and been man of tournament in another.

Has performed across all his ODI WCs.

Babar has won ZERO T20 titles and does not even have a MoM in WCs.

Babar is “top of the table” simply because of devaluation of bilateral white ball cricket.

Babar has been a massive failure in T20 tournaments.
 
saimayubera said:
Naah.

Sachin has won an ODI WC and been man of tournament in another.

Has performed across all his ODI WCs.

Babar has won ZERO T20 titles and does not even have a MoM in WCs.

Babar is “top of the table” simply because of devaluation of bilateral white ball cricket.

Babar has been a massive failure in T20 tournaments.
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Sachin also was the top scorer (across all teams) in two other world cups (96 and 2003).

He didn't just stat pad in bilaterals against B and C teams. And of course bilaterals and tri series were important during those times and not like now when a team sends their C side will top side is playing tests or resting.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
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Tendulker in T20s and this is not even T20Is like for Babar as Tendulkar played just 1 of those and failed. This is all T20s over a 96 match sample. Tendu was strike 121 and averaging 32.9 and this includes mostly IPL I am assuming which is a good level below T20Is.
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As good as Tendulkar was in Test. He was not that great in shorter formats.
 
RidiculousMan said:
As good as Tendulkar was in Test. He was not that great in shorter formats.
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Lmao no, he was considered goat of ODIs for a long time, on par with Viv, it's only recently Kohli etc came.

The revisionist history is hilarious.

And what shorter formats? He played one single t20 match at the end of his career
 
There is something called cricket blasphemy, comparing Babar to Sachin is probably the pinnacle of that violation. Doesn’t need an argument or a debate here lol. This is a cricket forum and I am assuming people who participate in discussions have actually watched the game. Hopefully before 2020 COVID pandemic. I will leave it there. Doesn’t merit any more discussions..
 
Local.Dada said:
There is something called cricket blasphemy, comparing Babar to Sachin is probably the pinnacle of that violation. Doesn’t need an argument or a debate here lol. This is a cricket forum and I am assuming people who participate in discussions have actually watched the game. Hopefully before 2020 COVID pandemic. I will leave it there. Doesn’t merit any more discussions..
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could nt agree more
 
Local.Dada said:
There is something called cricket blasphemy, comparing Babar to Sachin is probably the pinnacle of that violation. Doesn’t need an argument or a debate here lol. This is a cricket forum and I am assuming people who participate in discussions have actually watched the game. Hopefully before 2020 COVID pandemic. I will leave it there. Doesn’t merit any more discussions..
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the reason India has ever lasting dominance over Pak in ICC tournaments is Sachin's 2003 Innings. India was nt meant to win that with kind of attack Pak had and target India needed. That one innings of Sachin is greater than Combined career of Babar
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
the reason India has ever lasting dominance over Pak in ICC tournaments is Sachin's 2003 Innings. India was nt meant to win that with kind of attack Pak had and target India needed. That one innings of Sachin is greater than Combined career of Babar
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The biggest enemy of Babar who I think is a decent batsman and probably Pakistans best technically equipped in the current team is his PR which compared him to Virat Kohli and other legends.

Virat Kohli has had such legendary and marquee performances that people suddenly look at Babar as some minnow or associate player when in reality he is pretty good and maybe a 2nd or 3rd tier (in a good way) modern top batsman. It’s all due to the comparison. Feel for the guy unless he himself is paying for this propaganda.
 
Local.Dada said:
The biggest enemy of Babar who I think is a decent batsman and probably Pakistans best technically equipped in the current team is his PR which compared him to Virat Kohli and other legends.

Virat Kohli has had such legendary and marquee performances that people suddenly look at Babar as some minnow or associate player when in reality he is pretty good and maybe a 2nd or 3rd tier (in a good way) modern top batsman. It’s all due to the comparison. Feel for the guy unless he himself is paying for this propaganda.
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the reason for his downfall from decent batsman tp absolute trash is this overhyped PR drive that creates unrealistic expectation among fans and unnecessary pressure on Babar to perform even in meaningless matches which he has been unable to handle
 
Forget batting for a second- Sachin was a great mentor to Yuvraj. Harbhajan, Sehwag, Kaif. Zak. Those guys really worship the ground he walks (not literally. I know people take such things too literally here).

Not a single coach has said Sachin was difficult to work with or wanted captaincy.

Sachin is the one who recommended Dhoni for captaincy even though Yuvraj was almost like his younger brother.

Never politicked or crossed a boundary in team decisions.

Babar is not 1/10 th of Sachin is something most will agree who followed cricket since 90s as a batsman but as a cricket personality also he is nowhere in the same stratosphere. That’s the truth/ fact.
 
Sachin fan said:
Lmao no, he was considered goat of ODIs for a long time, on par with Viv, it's only recently Kohli etc came.

The revisionist history is hilarious.

And what shorter formats? He played one single t20 match at the end of his career
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Tendu is not even the best ODI batter for India. Let alone come to the height of Sir Viv in the format.
 
RidiculousMan said:
Tendu is not even the best ODI batter for India. Let alone come to the height of Sir Viv in the format.
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Viv Richards wud be best ODI batter

Tendulkar at 2. Kohli & Rohit wud be close 3rd & 4th but Tendulkar was top scorer in WCs 3 times ( 1996 , 2003 , 2011 )

U cannot argue against those kind of numbers
 
RidiculousMan said:
Tendu is not even the best ODI batter for India. Let alone come to the height of Sir Viv in the format.
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That’s because he is competing with Virat Kohli, Rohit Sharma, Yuvraj Singh etc. that’s a testament to Indian batting talent. Not Sachin’s lack of talent or performance. None of the guys will put Tendulkar ahead of them out of respect obviously but also for the matter of fact that they see him as the guy who paved the way for them and showed them miracles could be done. You can pull 100 different players to suit your narrative and beat around the bush but forget Indians, anyone who has followed cricket passionately and doesn’t have a mental medical condition will not pick Babar over Sachin. 🤣
 
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The only similarity they have is their penchant for stat padding.

Even then, Babar is no competition
 
TheSultan said:
The only similarity they have is their penchant for stat padding.

Even then, Babar is no competition
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Penchant for statpadding won't attack Shane Warne against the turn on day 4 pitch. If he had stapadded like Lara he would have been reeling out 200s after 200s when bowlers were at his mercy. Especially in the 90s Tendulkar was opposite of a statpadder
 
Babar is the Viv Richards of Pakistan in ODIs and Rohit Sharma of Pakistan in T20Is. The lad is still 30 and has plenty of time by his side so he can be a Don Bradman of Pakistan in test matches.
 
Sachin pre his tennis elbow was a beast. I mean, you are talking someone who's averaging 44 in ODI's in the 90s, 58 in Tests in the 90's,

This is the 90s when a score of 240-250 was competitive. Not the ODI's now where a score of 330-350 is increasingly seen as the norm. And Sachin was scoring at insane strike rates then.
 
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Babar is not even half the batsman Tendulkar is. There is no similarity here. He is on his way to become a Damien Martyn or Michael Clarke level ODI batsman but that’s just about it.
 
nish_mate said:
The traumas of Sachin on Pakistani psyche continues decade on....
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There is a reason they never won a single world cup match against India till Sachin was around.


They played india in 5 world cups when Sachin was around and Sachin was man of the match in 3 and had significant contributions in the other 2.
 
As far as Sachin goes in ODIs, There's only Viv who's better than him.

Today's ODIs are far removed from the ODI's till 2010. With all the changes in rules, 2 new balls etc etc. And next thing you'll find is someone comparing Babar to Viv
 
Babar cannot be compared to anyone... There is absolutely no need..
 
Rana said:
What??

Babar is a joke. He’s meme material. Sachin was never a joke or meme material throughout his career. Most decorated and respected batsman of the late 90s to 21st century
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Read the full post. This thread is not Babar vs Sachin.
 
The fact that Sachin playing in the one ball era played at an SR of 87, while his contemporaries Ricky Ponting and Brian Lara played at an SR of 80 and 79 respectively, while Babar playing in the 2 new ball era has the same SR of 87 as Sachin tells you everything.​
 
Hitman said:
The fact that Sachin playing in the one ball era played at an SR of 87, while his contemporaries Ricky Ponting and Brian Lara played at an SR of 80 and 79 respectively, while Babar playing in the 2 new ball era has the same SR of 87 as Sachin tells you everything.​
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And the amazing thing is that ponting came 6 years after Sachin and only peaked after 2000s in the flat pitch era when more than half of Sachin's career was over.. And Sachin still is way ahead in strike rate
 
DeadlyVenom said:
You guys make too much of this jealousy theory. Pakistan honestly didn't care too much about Sachin. Certainly not enough to try and find and induct random 16 year olds in international out of jealousy. Thats a crazy theory.
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This is the most ridiculously false, dishonest statement I have ever seen. Your commentators used to rant and rave about Sachin every game. When others used to praise him, they would try to come up with way of trying to put him down.

Even forums like these were obsessed with Sachin when he played.

You are so obsessed with him that you guys cannot stop downplaying him. For every other batsman who is described as great, lots of people here have no issues saying they are great.

But a lot of people here deny sachins greatness which goes against all established facts and opinions. Some nonsense statements like he was just an accumulator, he was just selfish, he was not good in ODIs is made

Such detachment from reality only comes with obsession and jealousy. When you deny established facts and reality, that can only be bias.
 
I can understand where the Sachin hate comes from, I really do.

It's easy to accept defeat when you know that your opponent is superior to you. So when Kohli hits Rauf for sixes, it hurts as it was a loss from a winning ¹position but all Pak fans knew that india is way stronger and the favorites to win.

But imagine in last decade when India is stronger, suddenly Babar starts single handedly winning every major world cup match and CT match against India. Of course we will hate Babar to the core as my team is stronger but this one guy is kicking our backside in big cups.

The one CT win and Amir and Fakhar are heroes, bit imagine one batsman doing it every single time against India in world cups and winning. He will be a legend in Pakistan and hated in india

And this isbwhat happened with Sachin
 
gazza619 said:
Read the full post. This thread is not Babar vs Sachin.
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I did read the full argument and it was nonsense

Sachin’s importance to India isn’t comparable to Babar’s importance to Pakistan.

Babar ruined his reputation by persisting in trying to make T20 his prestige format! Although he has no business making this format his priority whilst suffering massively in Test cricket. When did Sachin ever compromise his Test match importance by becoming obsessive with white ball???
 
Rana said:
I did read the full argument and it was nonsense

Sachin’s importance to India isn’t comparable to Babar’s importance to Pakistan.

Babar ruined his reputation by persisting in trying to make T20 his prestige format! Although he has no business making this format his priority whilst suffering massively in Test cricket. When did Sachin ever compromise his Test match importance by becoming obsessive with white ball???
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I believe the tens of thousands of crowd rather then a biased contentious poster.

Babar is the only star we have at present. Your views will not change this fact.
 
gazza619 said:
I believe the tens of thousands of crowd rather then a biased contentious poster.
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??

You believe tens of thousands who leave a game at the 15 over mark with still 35 overs to play and Pakistan need 170 odd runs to win with 8 wickets in hand?
 
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If there was anyone from Pakistan who could claim to be the equivalent of Sachin across all formats for Pakistan, It has to be Inzy.

Both started around the same time in ODIs and were the main batsmen for their teams for a huge chunk of their careers. From 92 onwards for Inzy and 93-94 for Sachin (when he started opening).

Comparing either of them to a kid like Babar is well not on.
 
Rana said:
??

You believe tens of thousands who leave a game at the 15 over mark with still 35 overs to play and Pakistan need 170 odd runs to win with 8 wickets in hand?
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Indeed democracy has authority.

Why would anyone want to see Hussain Talat and Shaheen bat
 
Babar's popularity in Pakistan is definitely far ahead of Sachin's fan craze in India

Never saw fans leave stadium in India once Sachin got out !
 
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