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Is David Warner a flat track bully?

Have to admire the resilience of Renshaw. Now that is what you call a real Test opener.
 
Warner is almost like Sehwag minus the stamina for big innings, Warner is not a FTB, he is not good enough to score on turners
 
Warner has proved that he has been nothing more than a FTB who although enjoys pace and bounce but cant perform outside his comfort zone.

He has massive issues vs spin, swing and seam and is clearly nothing more than an inferior version of Matthew Hayden.

Hayden was brilliant in Asian conditions and was Australian best bat in 2001 series to India.
 
Made a career by bullying bowlers on home tracks.

Australia should start looking for another opener outside Australia.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Made a career by bullying bowlers on home tracks.

Australia should start looking for another opener outside Australia.
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Does well in South Africa as well. And NZ also. Struggles against spin and a bit on England early summer pitches (like most batsmen)
 
By now, it's quite clear that he will be super effective in certain conditions and useless in other conditions. You know what you are going to get from him and it's not likely to change in future. Use him accordingly.
 
Pete Rose said:
Does well in South Africa as well. And NZ also. Struggles against spin and a bit on England early summer pitches (like most batsmen)
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Australia never tour England during the early summer though. That privilege is left to the lesser teams like the West Indies or Sri Lanka.

When Australia tour, it's the Ashes and into June or July proper.
 
Varun said:
Australia never tour England during the early summer though. That privilege is left to the lesser teams like the West Indies or Sri Lanka.

When Australia tour, it's the Ashes and into June or July proper.
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He has a good average in England but that is misleading. He has never got a big score and doesn't occupy the crease long enough to protect the middle-order from the new ball. It was one of the major reasons why they lost 3 Tests last time around.
 
Varun said:
Australia never tour England during the early summer though. That privilege is left to the lesser teams like the West Indies or Sri Lanka.

When Australia tour, it's the Ashes and into June or July proper.
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we have that privilege in 2018.
yes you are right, I confused his struggles in the 'colder' summer of 2015 with...early summer.
Can bank on him to do well in Lord's and maybe Edgbaston.
 
is one dimensional and can only play one way on pitches suited to his style i.e bouncy roads in AUS and SA. cant play on green wickets on spin tracks or any swing friendly conditions. An inferior Sehwag.
 
Warner is no FTB. He is getting mini starts but is not able to sustain due his style of play which is too risky against Indian spinners in India.His lack of patience is bringing his downfall. Renshaw at the other end is showing exemplary temperament and presence of mind.
 
Pollack said:
Warner is no FTB. He is getting mini starts but is not able to sustain due his style of play which is too risky against Indian spinners in India.His lack of patience is bringing his downfall. Renshaw at the other end is showing exemplary temperament and presence of mind.
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Take today for example.

He scored 3 boundaries against Ashwin but looked scared and shaky as hell. Was funny to see a Bangladeshi poster in another forum interpreting that as good batting. lol.

Could have got out bad pad.

Could have got out caught in mid on.

Could have got out lbw. Backleg but angle saved him.

Then Jaddu's speared delivery in the rough did it. Even then he wasn't fully forward. Basics was all wrong.

Those mini starts mean nothing cos he is not doing it from a strong base. He needs more luck with that kind of approach.
 
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sensible-indian-fan said:
Take today for example.

He scored 3 boundaries against Ashwin but looked scared and shaky as hell. Was funny to see a Bangladeshi poster in another forum interpreting that as good batting. lol.

Could have got out bad pad.

Could have got out caught in mid on.

Could have got out lbw. Backleg but angle saved him.

Then Jaddu's speared delivery in the rough did it. Even then he wasn't fully forward. Basics was all wrong.

Those mini starts mean nothing cos he is not doing it from a strong base. He needs more luck with that kind of approach.
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Lol the. Only reason he was playing with that approach is because he knew as much as Ashwin and Jadeja that he is getting out pretty soon

So might as wel throw the kitchen sink and see where that goes because there is no way in hell caution or technique would have made him survive

The more I think about it the more it seems Warners UAE and SA performances were flukes
 
Warner could have played a big knock in the first inning of this test. Got out at full toss. The conditions were really good for batting and really not much for bowlers on a day1 pitch.

Think he missed a big chance there. Could have boosted the stats like he did in England with quick 70s.
 
David Warner in his last 6 tests in Asia:

12 innings, 294 runs, average 24.50

50s 1
100s 0

Do not remember anyone having such a horrible record outside his comfort zone in his peak years
 
Slog said:
Lol the. Only reason he was playing with that approach is because he knew as much as Ashwin and Jadeja that he is getting out pretty soon

So might as wel throw the kitchen sink and see where that goes because there is no way in hell caution or technique would have made him survive

The more I think about it the more it seems Warners UAE and SA performances were flukes
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He isn't too bad against pace to be honest.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Take today for example.

He scored 3 boundaries against Ashwin but looked scared and shaky as hell. Was funny to see a Bangladeshi poster in another forum interpreting that as good batting. lol.

Could have got out bad pad.

Could have got out caught in mid on.

Could have got out lbw. Backleg but angle saved him.

Then Jaddu's speared delivery in the rough did it. Even then he wasn't fully forward. Basics was all wrong.

Those mini starts mean nothing cos he is not doing it from a strong base. He needs more luck with that kind of approach.
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Its all in his head. He isn't confident enough. Hence those mistakes. Ashwin has gotten into his head.Jaddu is damn good nowadays and would trouble any batsman in India. Ofcourse he is weak against spin but certainly not poor. Swinging conditions he won't survive though but then how many of them score in such conditions.
 
Slog said:
Tbf those were horrible pitches and I wouldn't use that series against any batsmen.

But no excuses for Warner in this match
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AB avgd 36 in that series(including one where he faced 300 balls to save a test) and I am pretty sure if he would have got fairly better pitches, he would have got atleast one or even two hundred in that series.
 
Slog said:
Tbf those were horrible pitches and I wouldn't use that series against any batsmen.

But no excuses for Warner in this match
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Bangalore and Delhi were really good pitches but Faf just mentally lost it.

I wouldn't hold Mohali or Nagpur against him.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Faf does not destroy bowling attacks in his own backyard, neither is he ever considered one of the very best batsman around.
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But that wasn't the argument. The argument was about having a "terrible record" outside the comfort zone and Faf struggles vs spin a lot.

Anyways, Warner isn't well ahead of Faf as a test player either IMO. I do agree that he is heavily overrated which Faf isn't and there is not much to compare between the two either as a player. They are so opposite w.r.t each other.
 
Usman Khawaja needs to replace this walking wicket for the last test. Would be sweet seeing an Aussie with Pakistani roots contributing to another series defeat for the Indians.

:salute:
 
Bilal7 said:
Usman Khawaja needs to replace this walking wicket for the last test. Would be sweet seeing an Aussie with Pakistani roots contributing to another series defeat for the Indians.

:salute:
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Not happening.

For heavens sake he was struggling against Azhar Ali, I dare to imagine how he would fare against Ashwin and Jadeja.
 
Ellipsism said:
Not happening.

For heavens sake he was struggling against Azhar Ali, I dare to imagine how he would fare against Ashwin and Jadeja.
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Pretty sure Chris Martin would be more useful than Warner at this point. Khawaja would do better than Warner and that is all he needs to do. Not difficult.
 
Bilal7 said:
Pretty sure Chris Martin would be more useful than Warner at this point. Khawaja would do better than Warner and that is all he needs to do. Not difficult.
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Because Khawaja's average of 19 against inferior spinners testifies that.
 
I notice Warner flopped again today. Has a 24 average for this tour, to go with his equally dismal average from the previous tour. Not to mention the terrible performances everywhere else outside Australia and South Africa.
 
Struggles when the batsman have to dig in. A one dimensional batsman who cant perform outside his comfort zone.

But he will start hitting run a ball centuries at home and Aussie commentators will start hyping him to the moon again.
 
He should bat no higher than no 10 on asian pitches. He is walking wicket as soon as he steps foot in asia.

He has inflated his stats scoring bulk of the runs on the flat pattas of Australia.

He is biggest FTB going around.
 
The comfort zone king.

Destructive batsman on flat, true pitches with a bit of bounce but doesn't have a good defence in spin or swing/seam friendly conditions.
 
[MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION]

you seem to rate warner highly.what is your opinion on his pathetic performance in asia and overall mediocre away record minus south africa?

this is very concerning for australia. they need a lot more steel from their experienced and main opener
 
Basically the Mahela Jayawardene of the era.

A notch below the likes of Hayden, Clarke , Cook, KP, ABD, Inzy and Sehwag.
 
Leo23 said:
[MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION]

you seem to rate warner highly.what is your opinion on his pathetic performance in asia and overall mediocre away record minus south africa?

this is very concerning for australia. they need a lot more steel from their experienced and main opener
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Australians care about performing in three away countries: England, India and SA. He's performed in two. Third, he will eventually.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
He scored 418 last tour to England. 50+ average in UAE.

Let his career finish. He will recover from this.
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failed in 3 out of 4 innings in the uae and has no hundreds in england

he is in the peak of his career and he is only going to get worse from here on

if he can't score in asia now he never will
 
Hamza_ said:
Maybe Warner should try batting at #7 like Gilly in tests.
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Nah, he's just having trouble finding a balance between attack and defence against spin. He got quite a few starts in India that should've been converted but they were still valuable runs. Unlike Smith who was reprieved many times and started off the tour with a ton which boosted his confidence whereas Warner continued getting out to very good deliveries. If anyone actually watched him in India, they will realize that his technical application was very good but he was continually dismissed to very good balls and was unlucky a few times. He just needed that one big score to clear his mind. Unfortunately, it never happened.
 
Leo23 said:
failed in 3 out of 4 innings in the uae and has no hundreds in england

he is in the peak of his career and he is only going to get worse from here on

if he can't score in asia now he never will
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58 is a failure? I can't take you seriously.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
58 is a failure? I can't take you seriously.
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you don't have to :)

my point is that you are not making a strong case for warner's poor performance outside australia and south africa

no matter how you put it there is huge disparity between his home and away record
 
Leo23 said:
you don't have to :)

my point is that you are not making a strong case for warner's poor performance outside australia and south africa

no matter how you put it there is huge disparity between his home and away record
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I'm not trying to make any case. You asked for my opinion and I'm confident he will perform in Asia before his career ends.
 
In general most Australians have issues against spin bowling. It is no wonder he is having issues against the Bangali spinners as well.

It's an area he needs to fix in order to become a legendary opener.
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
In general most Australians have issues against spin bowling. It is no wonder he is having issues against the Bangali spinners as well.

It's an area he needs to fix in order to become a legendary opener.
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he has issues against swing and seam as well
 
It's over for him and usman in Asia
 
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Stop opening these threads like this against quality players. Stokes overrated, Root overrated, Warner FTB. You will continue eating humble pie.
 
As posted before, no, he is not. One of the talented players EVER in the history of cricket. He is in the league of Devilliers on pure talent. This guy is a serious match-winner. Just a matter of time before he kicks on in Asia as well. Scored a hundred in UAE, had starts in India series, now on his way for a rare win for Australia in Asia. He played some big, effortless knocks in the IPL too. Granted most of the pitches in IPL are flat, but there were some pitches which were tricky, had low bounce, spin, but he single-handedly won many of those for Sunrisers. I can only laugh at some of the comments above.
 
King Kong said:
As posted before, no, he is not. One of the talented players EVER in the history of cricket. He is in the league of Devilliers on pure talent. This guy is a serious match-winner. Just a matter of time before he kicks on in Asia as well. Scored a hundred in UAE, had starts in India series, now on his way for a rare win for Australia in Asia. He played some big, effortless knocks in the IPL too. Granted most of the pitches in IPL are flat, but there were some pitches which were tricky, had low bounce, spin, but he single-handedly won many of those for Sunrisers. I can only laugh at some of the comments above.
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Not talented as ABD but he's surely immensely talented and a pure match winner who can change the course of the game so quickly irrespective of conditions.He's a new version of sehwag i would say,such players may have some flaws in techniques but we can't underestimate them in any situation because of their huge impact.Even in their bad days some odd 50's can be vital and match winning.Such players are rare
 
100 on a fourth day turner...Not bad at all for the 'worst player to tour Asia'
 
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I am capable of scoring well even on turning tracks, says David Warner

Though Australia might have slumped to their first-ever defeat against Bangladesh in the opening Test of the two-match series, opener David Warner's drought-breaking century in Dhaka was the shining light for the visitors.

Resuming on 75 on Day Four with Australia still trailing by 155 runs for victory, the vice-skipper conquered his spin demons as he brought up a 112-run knock, his first Test century away from home in nearly three years, off just 121 balls.

It had been 34 innings since he had scored 133 against Pakistan in the UAE in 2014 tour, but his century in Mirpur is undoubtedly up there alongside his finest for Australia.

Reflecting on his blistering ton, Warner said that he trusted his game by having an attacking approach with defence at the back of my mind.

"I always talk about my defence taking care of itself if I am having that attacking approach. When things aren't going my way, I've thought of defending rather than trying to set myself a platform looking to score. It is about trusting my game, and that is having that attacking approach with defence at the back of my mind," Warner stated as media reports suggest.

"I probably tinkered with it a lot over the last couple of years in these conditions and just didn't nail the basics of what I do best - attacking and then defending," he added after the match, where Australia suffered a 20-run defeat to Bangladesh.

Dubbing his innings as the finest of his career, Warner said he has proved that he is capable of scoring well even on the turning tracks.
"During the fourth innings in the subcontinent, I proved to myself that I am capable of doing it on turning tracks as well with that positive mindset and energy in the legs. That's the key to getting down the wicket, lunging forward and launching back and not getting caught in between," Warner said.

http://www.indiatvnews.com/sports/c...an-steve-smith-pakistan-turning-tracks-399142
 
bangladesh spinners are not at the level of the other asian spinners

we saw him in india and sri lanka not long ago
 
hehe, I love how it's Indians that are getting the most triggered by Warner's inning.
Chief Destroyer said:
not surprised to see no bump.
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I said it above but it was edited.....while he's smug- it's for the right reason, you gotta appreciate Chief Destroyers eye for talent.
 
mak36 said:
Whatever prediction Leo23 makes, the opposite happens. :))
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what prediction?

i am only commenting on his career so far. he has been a big flop in asia.

of course i don't know what will happen in the future
 
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