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Is David Warner a flat track bully?

Its good to see that he atleast scores run on home tracks / flat tracks. 3 years ago he was probably considered a hack, and any cricket would not mind the way he has performed over the last couple of seasons.

Being a FTB is better than being a Tamim. 4 years since he has scored a test century-heck even our tailenders are scoring centuries at will :shakib
 
Executioner said:
Its good to see that he atleast scores run on home tracks / flat tracks. 3 years ago he was probably considered a hack, and any cricket would not mind the way he has performed over the last couple of seasons.
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The only reason he was picked when he was was because of a singular good season in FC for NSW, where he averaged 60 I think.

Taking him to South Africa is a joke.
 
Agreed.
He should not be a guaranteed selection.

If Marsh or Doolan can cement a spot, Hughes is still knocking.

I'd would be suprised if Warner was in the test team in 3-4 years time.
 
Marshland said:
The only reason he was picked when he was was because of a singular good season in FC for WA, where he averaged 60 I think.

Taking him to South Africa is a joke.
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Sod off. Over in WA we produce blokes with decent techniques.
Langer, Katich, Martyn, Rogers, Hussey even Shaun Marsh.

Nothing wrong technique wise.
 
And he just picked up nearly $900,000 in the IPL. Must be great being a FTB.
 
Good job for him that most tracks are flat now....
 
Convict said:
If Marsh or Doolan can cement a spot, Hughes is still knocking.
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Hell no! Hughes never learns either. And being at South Australia and Adelaide isn't going to fix his problems against pace/swing/spin either.
 
Marshland said:
The only reason he was picked when he was was because of a singular good season in FC for NSW, where he averaged 60 I think.

Taking him to South Africa is a joke.
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I personally felt that his performance especially in the Ashes was overlooked by his team-mates like Haddin and MJ.

And frankly he is still the best choice for the opening position for far for the Aussies. Its not like they have Langer, Hayden, Gilly in the sidelines. And preferably you want to pick someone "in-form"
 
Gilly said:
And he just picked up nearly $900,000 in the IPL. Must be great being a FTB.
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Yuvraj is picked for $2.3 million if i am not wrong and Pujara for $300K so you are telling us Yuvraj is not FTB and Pujara is?
 
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David Warner is a Flat Track Bully

Gilly said:
And he just picked up nearly $900,000 in the IPL. Must be great being a FTB.
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Butthurt comment IPL and T20 Cricket is made for FTBS and hacks it rewards being a FTB
 
Marshland said:
Hell no! Hughes never learns either. And being at South Australia and Adelaide isn't going to fix his problems against pace/swing/spin either.
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I beg to differ. Hughes is one of the blokes who works very hard on his technique all the time.
 
Strike Rate said:
Yuvraj is picked for $2.3 million if i am not wrong and Pujara for $300K so you are telling us Yuvraj is not FTB and Pujara is?
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I didnt even mention Yuvraj or Pujara so I dont know how you arrived at that, were you reading a different post.
 
He would barely make the Pakistan Test team. Hack of a player.
 
Jo_Don said:
Isn't he one of Clarke's mates though?
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Clarke isn't even a selector and in any case won't be around by then anyway.

There will only be room for one of Maddinson and Warner in the team and they'd go for the better version.
 
Convict said:
I beg to differ. Hughes is one of the blokes who works very hard on his technique all the time.
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Year 2009: 52.44

(Dropped after poor Ashes)

Year 2010: 28.00
Year 2011: 26.93

(Dropped after poor couple of years)

Year 2012: 37.33 (3 innings only, and one of them vs SL was an 86)
Year 2013: 27.00

(Dropped)

Doesn't look too encouraging to me, not an upward curve for sure.
 
Marshland said:
Year 2009: 52.44

(Dropped after poor Ashes)

Year 2010: 28.00
Year 2011: 26.93

(Dropped after poor couple of years)

Year 2012: 37.33 (3 innings only, and one of them vs SL was an 86)
Year 2013: 27.00

(Dropped)

Doesn't look too encouraging to me, not an upward curve for sure.
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You and I both know that there is more to batting than just stats. At that age Waugh had a lower average with no centuries.
Clarke had played only a handful of games.

Hughes will make it.
 
Convict said:
You and I both know that there is more to batting than just stats. At that age Waugh had a lower average with no centuries.
Clarke had played only a handful of games.

Hughes will make it.
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I sure as hell hope so, but he better step on the gas sooner rather than later lest he be left behind by the ever maturing Shield players (Silk, Lynn perhaps, and Maddinson). Warner and Smith will undoubtedly be too.
 
Marshland said:
I sure as hell hope so, but he better step on the gas sooner rather than later lest he be left behind by the ever maturing Shield players (Silk, Lynn perhaps, and Maddinson). Warner and Smith will undoubtedly be too.
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Lynn and Maddinson are a fair way from test cricket. Way too loose.
 
Mamoon said:
He would barely make the Pakistan Test team. Hack of a player.
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Exactly! Is he even a Bully let alone an FTB/HTB one. Quite Frankly this bloke came to UAE in 2012 and trust me when I say this, he was made to look pretty funny by Hafeez who probably is one of our lesser ODI bowlers.
 
Convict said:
Lynn and Maddinson are a fair way from test cricket. Way too loose.
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And whatever happened to Peter Forrest? He was being groomed for a test match spot but is now off the radar completely. Has capped off another decent (good) domestic season too. And if they're giving the likes of Marsh and Doolan a go...
 
Marshland said:
And whatever happened to Peter Forrest? He was being groomed for a test match spot but is now off the radar completely. Has capped off another decent (good) domestic season too. And if they're giving the likes of Marsh and Doolan a go...
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Forest will never be test class. Doolan is a better player.
 
Convict said:
Forest will never be test class. Doolan is a better player.
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IMO the likes of Forrest and Cutting are unlucky to be playing for a 'backwater' side as QLD. Put them in an NSW shirt and they would have debuted a long while ago.
 
Marshland said:
IMO the likes of Forrest and Cutting are unlucky to be playing for a 'backwater' side as QLD. Put them in an NSW shirt and they would have debuted a long while ago.
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Cutting's incredibly overated- inferior version of Coulter-Nile.
Forrest just isn't any good. He's a solid shield player.
 
Large overreaction thread.

But yes he is. But a good one :)

Wouldn't get into the Pakistan team lmao
 
Warner almost guarantees runs in Australia, and that too at a fair clip.

It almost ensures Australia get their noses so far in front, esp when they bat first, that they never lose from that position. Similar to what Sehwag used to do for India. Scoring so quickly flattens a team.

Away from home he will struggle in SA and England, but that goes with the territory. You have to see if the payoff is worth it at the end of the day. Australia have pretty much decided it is.

Again, pretty similar to India with Sehwag. You would take the 'almost guarantee' that he would come off on flat/home tracks, and take it as a bonus that he will score some runs in England, SA and Australia. It worked out pretty well for them. He was a big factor in their 'test successes' a few years ago.
 
Is David Warner a Flat Track Bully?

At home Warner is a beast he can be like an Aussie Sehwag on those tracks he will struggle against lateral movement and tracks which have low bounce and turn. On wickets which are hard and bouncy he is a dangerous player so I wouldn't write him off this tour just yet
 
Struggles against sideways movement of any kind. However, he's very destructive on flat pitches, a bit like Sehwag.
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
Exactly! Is he even a Bully let alone an FTB/HTB one. Quite Frankly this bloke came to UAE in 2012 and trust me when I say this, he was made to look pretty funny by Hafeez who probably is one of our lesser ODI bowlers.
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Lesser? Hafeez was the #1 bowler for a bit as he always picked up 1-2 wickets at a 2 or 3 economy anywhere...He hasn't been at his best but he's not lesser by any means, it's only cos of the AllRounder tag but he would get into any XI as a bowling allrounder and even batting in some places :hafeez :hafeez
Dave is ok, he isn't as bad as some are making but he is a FTB at best but Aus don't exactly have World Class openers lying around soo...yeh
 
Bilal7 said:
Struggles against sideways movement of any kind. However, he's very destructive on flat pitches, a bit like Sehwag.
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The comparison with Sehwag is interesting. Sehwag didn't struggle against the turning ball (unlike Warner), but was okay against bounce and pace though (like Warner) as stated by his record against and in Australia.

Both aren't too flash vs swing though.
 
Marshland said:
The comparison with Sehwag is interesting. Sehwag didn't struggle against the turning ball (unlike Warner), but was okay against bounce and pace though (like Warner) as stated by his record against and in Australia.

Both aren't too flash vs swing though.
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On the other hand Sehwag's record in Australia is from that series where we had Brad Williams and Nathan Bracken as our bowlers.
 
Convict said:
On the other hand Sehwag's record in Australia is from that series where we had Brad Williams and Nathan Bracken as our bowlers.
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Yes, and I remember him holing out to a Katich lollipop at the MCG too.

But a return of 47 each innings across 10 games in a foreign territory with two 150+ scores isn't too shabby.
 
Marshland said:
The comparison with Sehwag is interesting. Sehwag didn't struggle against the turning ball (unlike Warner), but was okay against bounce and pace though (like Warner) as stated by his record against and in Australia.

Both aren't too flash vs swing though.
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How did Sehwag go in SA against the bounce and pace.
 
LOL@People saying he won't get into Pakistan team. We have players like Hafeez and Khurram Mazoor in our team. lol
Yes he can't play spin unlike our players who are so good against the spin.. We were the only team who took Tahir to cleaners while other teams were gifting easy wickets to him,, oh wait..
 
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Anfield said:
LOL@People saying he won't get into Pakistan team. We have players like Hafeez and Khurram Mazoor in our team. lol
Yes he can't play spin unlike our players who are so good against the spin.. We were the only team who took Tahir to cleaners while other teams were gifting easy wickets to him,, oh wait..
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That was more psychological. On any given day, even ajju would whack tahir effortlessly


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Anfield said:
LOL@People saying he won't get into Pakistan team. We have players like Hafeez and Khurram Mazoor in our team. lol
Yes he can't play spin unlike our players who are so good against the spin.. We were the only team who took Tahir to cleaners while other teams were gifting easy wickets to him,, oh wait..
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I think Pakistan plays offies well but horrible against any leg spinner. Being from SC , the current team often gets unwarranted credit for playing spin well. Pakistan used to play spin very well in 70s/80s then in 90s, Pakistan had some players who could play spin well but not as well as earlier generations.

Pakistan, as a team , doesn't really play spin very well right now.
 
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Warner's just too hit and miss. You could argue that "that's the way he plays" but if that's the case you need to have REALLY good hand eye coordination and split second judgment to get away with it. Players like Sehwag did the same but while their hand eye coordination was right up there they could get away with it, once that goes the average goes down significantly. I think he just makes mistakes a little bit too often. He looks to be more of a lower order cowlasher really. He's really going to be given a searching examination here in SA and it's good - let's find out what he's like.
 
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Anfield said:
What Psychological issues?
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Well he left pakistan to play elsewhere and as soon as he got his first wicket, his celebrations were like he made £100000000 which obviously caused pak to worry that an ex-pakistani would earn more wickets thus causing pak to go into typical collapse mode...


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Buffet said:
I think Pakistan plays offies well but horrible against any leg spinner. Being from SC , the current team often gets unwarranted credit for playing spin well. Pakistan used to play spin very well in 70s/80s then in 90s, Pakistan had some players who could play spin well but not as well as earlier generations.

Pakistan, as a team , doesn't really play spin very well right now.
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I won't say Pakistan has always struggled against leg spin. Yes I do agree 1uality leg spinners have done well against Pakistan compared to off-spinners. Pakistan has struggled against Warne and Kumble in tests, but One was a legend and the other was a very good bowler and a legend in his country. Other than these two Pakistan has done well generally against other leg spinners.

Totally agreed this team is not that good against spin. They are not bad and don't always struggle but they just always don't look so comfortable.
 
Haz95 said:
Well he left pakistan to play elsewhere and as soon as he got his first wicket, his celebrations were like he made £100000000 which obviously caused pak to worry that an ex-pakistani would earn more wickets thus causing pak to go into typical collapse mode...


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lol.. seems like you have never seen him celebrate before..
 
Hes more suited to ODIs and T20s but in tests hes someone the Aussies will have to grin and bear with, yes he will fail quite abit with way he plays but he will also take apart the oppostion in equal measure as well
 
Haz95 said:
his celebrations were like he made £100000000 which obviously caused pak to worry that an ex-pakistani would earn more wickets thus causing pak to go into typical collapse mode...
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That's how he celebrates normally. Didn't do it when he took 2-3 Indian tails but I have seen him celebrating the same way many times.

Anfield said:
Yes I do agree 1uality leg spinners have done well against Pakistan compared to off-spinners.
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True, went bit over board here but I some how remember Pakistan struggling lot more against leggies and that's why I have that impression.
 
Hafeez adds more value to the team than this hack. Just a T20 batsman and nothing great at that either.

Hafeez is a better batsman in limited overs and a far better all round cricketer. In tests both are poor with the bat but Hafeez can bowl too.
 
Mamoon said:
Hafeez adds more value to the team than this hack. Just a T20 batsman and nothing great at that either.

Hafeez is a better batsman in limited overs and a far better all round cricketer. In tests both are poor with the bat but Hafeez can bowl too.
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With one major difference. Hafeez has never made a ton in UAE but Warner has 5 centuries with 50+ avg in Aus. That helps to win tests at home.
 
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With one major difference. Hafeez has never made a ton in UAE but Warner has 5 centuries with 50+ avg in Aus. That helps to win tests at home.
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Hafeez has a 196 in SL. I won't hold his lack of hundreds in UAE against him. It took him 8 years to score his first ODI ton but now has 9 in 3 years. Quite an insane rate and I think he's third only to Kohli and Amla in the same period.

Centuries can be like a bottle of ketchup. It doesn't pour initially but when it does, it's hard to stop. With Hafeez I believe if he gets one hundred, he's going to get them in clusters but he's return to the test lineup looks distant now with Azhar wrestling back his spot.
 
Lol Hafeez is one tenth the player that Warner is, sorry.

My answer to the thread is his century at Hobart vs you sheep shaggers. That will be all.
 
Kno whats funnier?
I'm dead serious o_O...The Pak media would go on and on about how he should come back and nonsense like that. Please, if he wasn't a pakistani, we would have given him a worse dishing than the Aussies and Indians did together... I would have cos he's a traitor lol.
 
Poison said:
Lol Hafeez is one tenth the player that Warner is, sorry.

My answer to the thread is his century at Hobart vs you sheep shaggers. That will be all.
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LOOOL
Sheep shaggin is what you're doing, and warner is the sheep. Hafeez>^100000000000> David Warner, anywhere any time. Hafeez is better than any Aussie spinner and has at least better feats in batting too than Warner....Especially against SL
He may be a mediocre test cricketer, but at least he's something in T20s and ODis, only T20s is where Warner is ok cos of the fact that every bowler is crap, barring a few along with your best friend :hafeez.
 
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Need I remind you that on international debut David Warner bombed Dale Steyn into the stands 4 times. This is the same Steyn that consistently has Hafeez looking as if he's a 12 year old girl who's about to be kicked in the face by a rhino.

Test cricket is the only real cricket and Hafeez is a gigantor failure in the format. End discussion.
 
Every batsman has a bogey bowler.

Tendulkar couldn't face Razzaq while Nazir took him to the cleaners in ICL.

Just because Warner handles Steyn better doesn't make him a better batsman.

Hafeez would have handled someone like Muralitharan better than Warner. So?
 
Poison said:
Need I remind you that on international debut David Warner bombed Dale Steyn into the stands 4 times. This is the same Steyn that consistently has Hafeez looking as if he's a 12 year old girl who's about to be kicked in the face by a rhino.

Test cricket is the only real cricket and Hafeez is a gigantor failure in the format. End discussion.
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Contradiction much.

In his ODI debut, Warner was out for 5 (7) against Steyn. And in this test, Steyn scalped him for barely double digits as well. But he 'bombed' him along the carpet once and twice respectively so I reckon it's all good eh? :)

Both those formats should be in accordance with your no T20 policy too.
 
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I was talking about cricketing aptitude of which Warner has shown much more promise than Hafeez. This thread isn't a comparison thread though.

Warner has got 5 tons of which the most impressive was 123* at Hobart, a game in which the 2nd highest individual scorer was 56. He also scored that blazing 180 at the WACA v India in which the 2nd highest individual scorer was 105 runs away (75; Kohli). He's got a couple of "easy" tons at Adelaide & Perth but the most recent hundred v England at the Gabba was another quality knock on a surface not easy for batting.

Can't judge him 100% yet but he's made a lot of runs on difficult surfaces, cannot call him an FTB.
 
Big whoop, Hafeez Bombed Steyn and co too when he made 64 or something not too long ago when he had that really good partnership with Umar Akmal
 
Hafeez has destroyed Steyn in ODIs.

Remember the series in UAE in 2010. Don't remember which ODI it was but Steyn ended up conceding 70 runs and Hafeez manhandled him like Gul was by Sehwag in the World Cup semi final.
 
Poison said:
He also scored that blazing 180 at the WACA v India...
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On a flat wicket against the most toothless bowling in the world. I think the 'attack' was Sharma, Kumar and some other guy. Also note the lack of a spinner on that deck, usually a symptom that Warner is going to fire.

Poison said:
Most recent hundred v England at the Gabba was another quality knock
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Refer above; easy opposition, terrible bowling and they were leading by 160+ when they started out.

Innings like this Marsh one, or Clarke's 150 last time around in SA are what constitute good test match performances. I'm sorry if you're a fan, but none of Warner's runs make the cut, bar that ton against us at Hobart but it wouldn't have hurt if he could finish it off for his team (don't hold this last point though, not his fault his teammates threw their wickets away).
 
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Comparing Hafeez and Warner is like comparing Oranges with Mangoes. Both are fundamentally different players. Warner is a specialist opening batsman, if I am not mistaken and that is about it. He cannot bowl neither does he have a thinking brain like the Professor.

Hafeez on the other hand is the T20 captain and a vital allrounder for Pakistan. He bowls his complete quota of 10 overs each game and bats at #3. Hafeez is not an opener by any means and whoever thinks that needs to visit a doctor. Plus Hafeez is almost 10x times better a spin player while Warner is almost 10x times better when facing fast bowlers.

Someone corrently pointed out earlier that Warner would struggle against Murli while Hafeez is the bunny of the century for Steyn hence both players have weaknesses and both are good in their given facet of the game.

Realistically if I am playing in the Subcontinent of on any slow/low track I would pick Hafeez in LOIs. If matches are played outside SC - I'd pick them both. For test matches I'd ban Hafeez forever :D
 
Are we really comparing Hafeez with Warner? Warner's a hack, but really.
 
Marshland said:
On a flat wicket against the most toothless bowling in the world. I think the 'attack' was Sharma, Kumar and some other guy. Also note the lack of a spinner on that deck, usually a symptom that Warner is going to fire.



Refer above; easy opposition, terrible bowling and they were leading by 160+ when they started out.

Innings like this Marsh one, or Clarke's 150 last time around in SA are what constitute good test match performances. I'm sorry if you're a fan, but none of Warner's runs make the cut, bar that ton against us at Hobart but it wouldn't have hurt if he could finish it off for his team (don't hold this last point though, not his fault his teammates threw their wickets away).
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You may think you sound like a real cricket expert ML but it seems like you have never played cricket, to dismiss Warners hundreds like they mean nothing shows a complete lack of cricket knowledge. Any batsman that scores a hundred in an international match will tell you how hard it is and if as you point out why didnt every batsman in those matches score hundreds at will. Probably the most imature statement I have read on here for a while is "but none of Warner's runs make the cut" really Marshland is that your real belief, are you that far from reality.
 
No one originally was comparing the two..
But just for the record, Warner struggles against anything moving too. Whilst Hafeez only struggles against swing and not really against pace, Warner struggles against swing and spin and he's like hafeez vs Pace. So wouldn't you rather have 1 fault than 2?
 
One averages 41 in test cricket other averages 31 but apparently both are at same level? Wow!
 
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One averages 41 in test cricket other averages 31 but apparently both are at same level? Wow!
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This isn't about tests, they're both hacks at that...This is about T20s and ODIs where Hafeez is miles ahead
 
The previously much derided pair of Steve Smith and David Warner will improve any team in the world.
 
Warner is like hit-miss player like Sehwag. But he is a match winner on his day.
 
Marshland said:
On a flat wicket against the most toothless bowling in the world. .
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You clearly didn't actually watch the match if you think that wicket was flat, outside of that one cowan/warner partnership both sides bats struggled, sydney and adelaide were very flat but that track certainly wasn't.
 
The 3 drops helped, but credit to him for making them pay for it.
 
It is great to see him perform away from home though.
 
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