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Is David Warner a flat track bully?

Haz95 said:
hehe, I love how it's Indians that are getting the most triggered by Warner's inning.

I said it above but it was edited.....while he's smug- it's for the right reason, you gotta appreciate Chief Destroyers eye for talent.
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his record outside australia and south africa is poor..thats a fact.

if kohli was as bad as him outside his comfort zone the likes of you would have crucified him
 
Leo23 said:
his record outside australia and south africa is poor..thats a fact.

if kohli was as bad as him outside his comfort zone the likes of you would have crucified him
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You have unhealthy fixation with Kohli. I'm not sure if anyone has told you, but you don't need to mention him every sentence. Believe it or not, this is a thread about Warner.
 
Leo23 said:
his record outside australia and south africa is poor..thats a fact.

if kohli was as bad as him outside his comfort zone the likes of you would have crucified him
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Minion no one's claiming that Warner's the best ever or the best in the world, certified ATG and whatnot. He's not gonna be as over anlysed as your padrone Kohli is.

Besides he was ok in SL, mediocre in India and good in UAE before this. Now if you were Pakistani as you claim you'd know Warner did well vs an in form Yasir Shah, facing a 450 run deficit. Overall he's decent in Asia and generally only struggles vs quality bowling and/or tough conditions.
 
Warner redeeming himself.. the next set of Asia tours could be pivotal. If Warner fires, Aus can improve their performances substantially.
 
Haz95 said:
Minion no one's claiming that Warner's the best ever or the best in the world, certified ATG and whatnot. He's not gonna be as over anlysed as your padrone Kohli is.

Besides he was ok in SL, mediocre in India and good in UAE before this. Now if you were Pakistani as you claim you'd know Warner did well vs an in form Yasir Shah, facing a 450 run deficit. Overall he's decent in Asia and generally only struggles vs quality bowling and/or tough conditions.
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hahaha same old you are not pakistani ** :)))

it may be a complicated concept for you guys but it is not a big deal to idolize an indian player if you are a pakistani and vice versa

my dad's favorite player is tendulkar and i know indians here in america who are crazy fans of wasim akram

narrow minded folks may have trouble understanding this but cricket is above national biases and hatred

i have no liking for team india and pakistan is obviously my country but kohli is my idol. i want to become a professional player and he is the one i look up to. i just love the way he plays the game. what does this have to do with my nationality???
 
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Leo23 said:
hahaha same old you are not pakistani ** :)))

it may be a complicated concept for you guys but it is not a big deal to idolize an indian player if you are a pakistani and vice versa

my dad's favorite player is tendulkar and i know indians here in america who are crazy fans of wasim akram

narrow minded folks may have trouble understanding this but cricket is above national biases and hatred

i have no liking for team india and pakistan is obviously my country but kohli is my idol. i want to become a professional player and he is the one i look up to. i just love the way he plays the game. what does this have to do with my nationality???
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No one cares if you are gonna become a cricketer so stop using that as justication lmao. If you are so serious there are other parts of this forum where you can discuss it. One can tell by the way you belittle Pakistani players, exaggerate achievments of Indian ones while displaying poor knowledge over all of Pakistan cricket. Nothing wrong with being an Indian fan, some of the better posters are Indian on this forum. However, there's no need to fib, especially so blatantly.

Now stop bringing in Kohli into this thread and fabricating evidence to belittle any player not named Don Kohleone
 
Leo23 said:
hahaha same old you are not pakistani ** :)))

it may be a complicated concept for you guys but it is not a big deal to idolize an indian player if you are a pakistani and vice versa

my dad's favorite player is tendulkar and i know indians here in america who are crazy fans of wasim akram

narrow minded folks may have trouble understanding this but cricket is above national biases and hatred

i have no liking for team india and pakistan is obviously my country but kohli is my idol. i want to become a professional player and he is the one i look up to. i just love the way he plays the game. what does this have to do with my nationality???
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Stop strawmanning. There is nothing wrong with a Pakistani fan liking an Indian cricketer and vice versa- in fact in should be encouraged. If you read this forum, most posters do express respect for Virat and co.

The problem with you is that you spend your whole time belittling Amir and others in a way that comes across as spiteful and bitter.
Take for example, his performance in the final, which incidentally was against India. Any Pakistani cricket fan will understand the value of that spell, to do that in a final against arch rivals is special. Pretty much every Indian poster accepts how good a spell that was, and yet somehow you are incapable of accepting it.

At the same time you constantly make snipes about Pakistani players (see for example your comments about Saeed Anwar) you can't stop praising VK- you will defend him to the death. It's a very unhealthy fixation you have. Everyone has their favourites but, unlike you, we accept they are only human and have flaws.

Truth be told, I think you are a troll.
 
Haz95 said:
No one cares if you are gonna become a cricketer so stop using that as justication lmao. If you are so serious there are other parts of this forum where you can discuss it. One can tell by the way you belittle Pakistani players, exaggerate achievments of Indian ones while displaying poor knowledge over all of Pakistan cricket. Nothing wrong with being an Indian fan, some of the better posters are Indian on this forum. However, there's no need to fib, especially so blatantly.

Now stop bringing in Kohli into this thread and fabricating evidence to belittle any player not named Don Kohleone
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We were thinking the same thing- your comment only showed up afterwards.
 
Warner was destined to be a gun player for Australia.

I have followed him from his debut and this bloke had immense potential. Needs to stay true to his strengths which are his shots and gifted hand eye coordination.
 
Haz95 said:
No one cares if you are gonna become a cricketer so stop using that as justication lmao. If you are so serious there are other parts of this forum where you can discuss it. One can tell by the way you belittle Pakistani players, exaggerate achievments of Indian ones while displaying poor knowledge over all of Pakistan cricket. Nothing wrong with being an Indian fan, some of the better posters are Indian on this forum. However, there's no need to fib, especially so blatantly.

Now stop bringing in Kohli into this thread and fabricating evidence to belittle any player not named Don Kohleone
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how convenient of you to miss my posts where i have criticized indian team and its players

yes i have no liking for match fixers and i am not going to support them
 
mak36 said:
Stop strawmanning. There is nothing wrong with a Pakistani fan liking an Indian cricketer and vice versa- in fact in should be encouraged. If you read this forum, most posters do express respect for Virat and co.

The problem with you is that you spend your whole time belittling Amir and others in a way that comes across as spiteful and bitter.
Take for example, his performance in the final, which incidentally was against India. Any Pakistani cricket fan will understand the value of that spell, to do that in a final against arch rivals is special. Pretty much every Indian poster accepts how good a spell that was, and yet somehow you are incapable of accepting it.

At the same time you constantly make snipes about Pakistani players (see for example your comments about Saeed Anwar) you can't stop praising VK- you will defend him to the death. It's a very unhealthy fixation you have. Everyone has their favourites but, unlike you, we accept they are only human and have flaws.

Truth be told, I think you are a troll.
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sorry i cannot support match fixers
 
[MENTION=136302]Haz95[/MENTION]

warner has failed in nz,wi,ind and sl

he has one good innings on flat uae pitch and has no hundreds in eng

he is the definition of a ftb
 
Leo23 said:
[MENTION=136302]Haz95[/MENTION]

warner has failed in nz,wi,ind and sl

he has one good innings on flat uae pitch and has no hundreds in eng

he is the definition of a ftb
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Let me drop some stats for you:

Warner averages 71 in NZ with 4 100s, including a 253
Warner averages 38 in WI with 1 100 and 3 50s. Not amazing but respectable
Warner averages 38 in India, albeit not very impacting. He was mediocre there
Warner averages 39 in SL with 3 50s, again not amazing but respectable.

If that's the definition of a FTB I would love for England and Pakistan to have one. 'Match fixer' is a poor excuse. As soon as I mentioned Indian posters getting riled up you were the first one to reply, just look above. You took the bait, you're fooling no one lol.
 
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Haz95 said:
Let me drop some stats for you:

Warner averages 71 in NZ with 4 100s, including a 253
Warner averages 38 in WI with 1 100 and 3 50s. Not amazing but respectable
Warner averages 38 in India, albeit not very impacting. He was mediocre there
Warner averages 39 in SL with 3 50s, again not amazing but respectable.

If that's the definition of a FTB I would love for England and Pakistan to have one. 'Match fixer' is a poor excuse. As soon as I mentioned Indian posters getting riled up you were the first one to reply, just look above. You took the bait, you're fooling no one lol.
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get your facts right so that you won't embarrass yourself :)))

warner averages 70 vs new zealand overall but his average IN new zealand is pathetic where he failed miserably two years ago in swinging conditions
 
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Batting second, he has scored 88 off 170 balls with only four boundaries so far. Didn't watch it but sounds like a good quality Test match innings to me.
 
Haz95 said:
Warner averages 71 in NZ with 4 100s, including a 253
Warner averages 38 in WI with 1 100 and 3 50s. Not amazing but respectable
Warner averages 38 in India, albeit not very impacting. He was mediocre there
Warner averages 39 in SL with 3 50s, again not amazing but respectable.
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Avg in NZ - 13
Avg in WI - 26
Avg in Ind - 24
Avg in SL - 27

I think you posted his average against those countries and that one is boosted due to him scoring heavily in Aus against everyone.
 
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Leo23 said:
get your facts right so that you won't embarrass yourself :)))

warner averages 70 vs new zealand overall but his average IN new zealand is pathetic where he failed miserably two years ago in swinging conditions
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Warner will improve in coming years
 
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Warner is applying himself in in this knock. If he bats for another session or two then game will be over for BD.
 
Buffet said:
Avg in NZ - 13
Avg in WI - 26
Avg in Ind - 24
Avg in SL - 27

I think you posted his average against those countries and that one is boosted due to him scoring heavily in Aus against everyone.
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And ZERO hundreds
[MENTION=136302]Haz95[/MENTION] you have been royally owned :)) :))
 
Anyway, all countries will love to have a batsman who scores heavily in 60-65% of tests country plays. Aus will play 50% in Aus and then add 15% for SA and some other venues.
 
Good to see Warner finally starting performing outside his comfort zone. Played brilliant innings in both tests.
 
Leo23 said:
get your facts right so that you won't embarrass yourself :)))

warner averages 70 vs new zealand overall but his average IN new zealand is pathetic where he failed miserably two years ago in swinging conditions
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ma bad. My previous point still stands, Warner is not rated on the level of Don Kohleone so he doesn't need to be analysed as much
 
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Haz95 said:
ma bad. My previous point still stands, Warner is not rated on the level of Don Kohleone so he doesn't need to be analysed as much
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only a fool would rate him on his level. he is not fit to clean his boots.
 
Haz95 said:
hehe, I love how it's Indians that are getting the most triggered by Warner's inning.
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Not true. I kept on saying on Warner is no flat track bully. Scroll a page back. An Indian fan. I am neither happy nor sad about Warners innings. Just don't care how Warner plays unless its against India.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Warner will retire as the greatest opener. Better than Gavaskar.
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Gavaskar is an ATG and one of the best batsman of all time, easily the best batsman of 1970s, facing arguably the greatest bowling unit of all time (averaging 70s in West Indies, away). Warner is a HTB and poor man's Sehwag
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Gavaskar is an ATG and one of the best batsman of all time, easily the best batsman of 1970s, facing arguably the greatest bowling unit of all time (averaging 70s in West Indies, away). Warner is a HTB and poor man's Sehwag
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Sehwag is not fit to clean Warner's shoes.
 
Leo23 said:
sorry i cannot support match fixers
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First of all it was spot fixing.

The fixer you are talking about remained isolation (Served his ban) for 5 years and even after that he owned a player of the caliber of Kohli twice in two balls.

Start respecting the talent of the players playing the game irrespective of the team they play for.

Even the person you say you Idolize gives respect to Amir and his talent atleast learn something from him.
 
Leo23 said:
only a fool would rate him on his level. he is not fit to clean his boots.
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true because Don Kohleone was so great abroad. NZ he scored a 100 on a pitch Dhawan did where Neesham, Mcculum and co were scoring 100s and England...the less said the better.

Guy plays movement as well as Warner and is only superior due to playing spin better.
 
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Pollack said:
Not true. I kept on saying on Warner is no flat track bully. Scroll a page back. An Indian fan. I am neither happy nor sad about Warners innings. Just don't care how Warner plays unless its against India.
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Didn't say you did, but for the Deshi innings, it was only Indians getting riled up. Too insecure to see another batsmen from a different country do well.

That doesn't mean all Indians are like that, there are many good Indian posters but there's a lot of poor ones too. Vice versa with most nationalities on PP.
 
Is this a joke?
Warner is the second best opener in tests after Cook in last 10 years and if we combine all formats he is much better than Cook.

People on this forum are obsessed with stats and I think don't watch cricket matches. Actually I am pretty sure they don't watch cricket matches. Only calculate stats to prove their point.
Still remember Warner's innings against NZ in I think his second test match where he almost pulled off an unbelievable victory. Opened and stayed till the end against very difficult bowling.

If cricket is only watched on stats page then where is the fun and excitement.
 
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Being second best opener to Cook doesn't mean he can't be a FTB.

Being the second best opener to Cook is no big achievement.
 
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SarfiBabarHaris said:
Is this a joke?
Warner is the second best opener in tests after Cook in last 10 years and if we combine all formats he is much better than Cook.

People on this forum are obsessed with stats and I think don't watch cricket matches. Actually I am pretty sure they don't watch cricket matches. Only calculate stats to prove their point.
Still remember Warner's innings against NZ in I think his second test match where he almost pulled off an unbelievable victory. Opened and stayed till the end against very difficult bowling.

If cricket is only watched on stats page then where is the fun and excitement.
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he has lost as many matches for aus as he has won

his failures in 70% of the countries he has played in has not helped his team

people should not so defensive over valid criticism

his pathetic record outside his comfort zone speaks for itself
 
Haz95 said:
true because Don Kohleone was so great abroad. NZ he scored a 100 on a pitch Dhawan did where Neesham, Mcculum and co were scoring 100s and England...the less said the better.

Guy plays movement as well as Warner and is only superior due to playing spin better.
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kohli has failed in one country only so far

warner has failed in 70% of the countries he has played in

warner is not half the batsman kohli is
 
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What does it matter, Warner is doing a great job for Australia which is what he is paid to do. He might not be half as good as Kohli but he is better than any Pakistani batsman.
 
Gilly said:
What does it matter, Warner is doing a great job for Australia which is what he is paid to do. He might not be half as good as Kohli but he is better than any Pakistani batsman.
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would rather have azhar in tough conditions

younis although retired now was far better than warner can aspire to be
 
Gilly said:
What does it matter, Warner is doing a great job for Australia which is what he is paid to do. He might not be half as good as Kohli but he is better than any Pakistani batsman.
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Give Hafeez one of Warner's bats and he would have 3 more hundreds because all his outside edges over the years would've gone for 4 or six.
 
Balthazar said:
A better bat than Saeed Anwar and most current teams would love to have him.
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Nowhere near Saeed.. nowhere...
neither in class nor in talent ... but surely will be better than him in stats by the time he finishes... in both ODI's and tests...
 
Leo23 said:
kohli has failed in one country only so far

warner has failed in 70% of the countries he has played in

warner is not half the batsman kohli is
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Warner is 3/4 the Batsman Kohli is who was mediocre in NZ and failed in England catastrophically too. All in all, no one here's claiming Warners better, it's just you mentioning your master Don Kohleone once again. Really unhealthy obsession I must say.
 
UN talkz said:
Nowhere near Saeed.. nowhere...
neither in class nor in talent ... but surely will be better than him in stats by the time he finishes... in both ODI's and tests...
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Warner is actually better than Anwar, not by much though, Anwar was a Asian track bully while Warner is an Australian track bully
 
ToeCrusher2 said:
Warner is actually better than Anwar, not by much though, Anwar was a Asian track bully while Warner is an Australian track bully
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Averaged over 40 as a Test opener in every major country barring South Africa whilst playing in the 90s. Not bad for an Asian track bully. :salute
 
Gilly said:
What does it matter, Warner is doing a great job for Australia which is what he is paid to do. He might not be half as good as Kohli but he is better than any Pakistani batsman.
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Suleiman said:
Give Hafeez one of Warner's bats and he would have 3 more hundreds because all his outside edges over the years would've gone for 4 or six.
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Hafeez can't afford to buy certain bat?
 
Abdullah719 said:
Averaged over 40 as a Test opener in every major country barring South Africa whilst playing in the 90s. Not bad for an Asian track bully. :salute
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Anwar was not an Asian track bully in the test format. He had a consistent 40-50 average everywhere except in Africa.
 
Just listen to the records clattering now that he's back in his natural habitat again.
 
Buffet said:
Anwar was not an Asian track bully in the test format. He had a consistent 40-50 average everywhere except in Africa.
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that's why He is one of the greats. who would you take in tests though. shewag or anwar?that's a tough one for me. Shewag performed vs australia,pakistan and s.africa.
anwar performed vs england, australia and india
 
Look at the discipline he showed while batting. Lot of tip and run singles. Punishing the bad balls invariably. Not playing with ego when the bowler is on top. Left the balls that were needed to be left out. HE put an exhibition for Pakistan openers. Also he showed how to convert starts and how to convert a 100 into a big one.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Look at the discipline he showed while batting. Lot of tip and run singles. Punishing the bad balls invariably. Not playing with ego when the bowler is on top. Left the balls that were needed to be left out. HE put an exhibition for Pakistan openers. Also he showed how to convert starts and how to convert a 100 into a big one.
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He always looks good in Aus as his record suggests. However, he fulfills every definition of home bully with average of less than 30 overseas.
 
Titan24 said:
He always looks good in Aus as his record suggests. However, he fulfills every definition of home bully with average of less than 30 overseas.
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Was around 37 before England tour. For the record Haydos 41, Mark Taylor 43. Warner has a brilliant record in SA. England/India are his problem areas. As an opener it is expected in England.
 
I would say he is more of a bouncy track bully, as he has a brilliant record on difficult South African pitches
 
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When in his comfort zone, he is a very dangerous batsmen but averaging under 30 in England, New Zealand, India, Sri Lanka and West Indies is not acceptable.

I am not sure if he will be able to maintain good average in UAE also but overall I will put him in same league as Mohammad Yousuf, Mahela Jayawardene and Ross Taylor.
 
Aman said:
He butchered Boult and Southee and will probably do the same to us again in a few weeks.
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Give him a concrete slab in Melbourne and he'll do all that and more.
 
biggest flat track bully ever along with rohit. I would take warner over rohit in tests though. I do not trust rohit at all. Hope india dont pick him for n.z.

Shaw is the man for the job.
 
People underestimate how hard it is to consistently be so ruthless and deadly like Sehwag and Warner are in home conditions.
 
Hasan123 said:
People underestimate how hard it is to consistently be so ruthless and deadly like Sehwag and Warner are in home conditions.
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This. Warner completely demoralizes the opponent just like Sehwag. There are very few batsmen in test history with such impact.
 
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