Is Hardik Pandya good enough to play as batsman in LOIs?

[Lurker_Ind]

Without his bowling, he will not be a sure shot selection in ODI's. In T20's he will an automatic selection.

 

[Ab Fan]

Without his bowling, he will not be a sure shot selection in ODI's. In T20's he will an automatic selection.

If given a chance, who would you play at 6 & 7 now?

 

[RyanRyan10]

Rayudu is a far better player than jhadav.

Besides Rahul should have always played number 4 for India. Pandey is far better than jhadav.

How are Rayudu and Pandey better than Kedar?

You are just speaking what you feel.

Rayudu's SR is just 79 and failed against Australia both home and away before the WC. He also crumbled under pressure in Asia Cup final.

Pandey hasn't played any decent knock after his century in a dead rubber against Aus.

Kedar did better than those who were given opportunities and deserved his place in the WC side.

Jadhav was good till 2017. After that, he wasn't. More often than not, Pandya batted higher than him. If I need quickfire knocks, I would send Pandya ahead of him and Dhoni. If I need to build an inning, I would have send Dhoni ahead of Pandya and Jadhav. In neither of two cases, I can rely on Jadhav though.

This is why roles matter and it need to be assigned to everyone and you react accordingly to the situation. You can't ask a Klusenar to play the Kallis role and neither can you ask Kallis to play the Klusenar role.

In 2018, Kedar played just 5 innings and was dismissed just twice. Also finished the match in Asia Cup final

In 2019 before WC, he performed in all the three series.

On the other hand, Hardik failed against SA & Eng and after that he got injured. Few months later he behaved like an idiot in KWK and got banned for a month. Then again got injured for home series against Aus.

Still you think Hardik was doing his role better than Kedar before the WC?

Hardik has missed more matches than he has played. His performance has been average. He has got the backing of management because other Allrounders we have are worse. On the other hand, Kedar made it to the side on the basis of his brilliance with the bat at the domestic level.

 

[Ab Fan]

In 2018, Kedar played just 5 innings and was dismissed just twice. Also finished the match in Asia Cup final

In 2019 before WC, he performed in all the three series.

On the other hand, Hardik failed against SA & Eng and after that he got injured. Few months later he behaved like an idiot in KWK and got banned for a month. Then again got injured for home series against Aus.

Still you think Hardik was doing his role better than Kedar before the WC?

Hardik has missed more matches than he has played. His performance has been average. He has got the backing of management because other Allrounders we have are worse. On the other hand, Kedar made it to the side on the basis of his brilliance with the bat at the domestic level.

In World Cup 2019, Jadhav scored 80 runs at strike rate of 80. Pandya scored 230 runs at strike rate of 112. Who would you pick then?

If Jadhav was a better batsman than Pandya, he would have scored more runs or scored faster if not more. If Jadhav was a better batsman than Pandya, he would have batted higher than him.

Furthermore, Jadhav was only good enough to bowl 6 overs and took zero wickets while Pandya bowled 79 overs and took 10 wickets.

In CT 2017 final, Pandya played a knock of 76(43) and Jadhav scored 9(13).

 

[RyanRyan10]

In World Cup 2019, Jadhav scored 80 runs at strike rate of 80. Pandya scored 230 runs at strike rate of 112. Who would you pick then?

If Jadhav was a better batsman than Pandya, he would have scored more runs or scored faster if not more. If Jadhav was a better batsman than Pandya, he would have batted higher than him.

Furthermore, Jadhav was only good enough to bowl 6 overs and took zero wickets while Pandya bowled 79 overs and took 10 wickets.

In CT 2017 final, Pandya played a knock of 76(43) and Jadhav scored 9(13).

I have clearly mentioned in a post above that Kedar has been downhill poor since the WC and he has also been dropped.

But that doesn't mean he was a bad player or worse than once in a blue moon performer Pandya. From late 2016 to early 2019 that's around 2.5 years, he was consistent.

On the other hand, Hardik has been inconsistent throughout his career. And he has also missed more matches than he has played in last 2-3 years.

WC performance is just one-off example. But other than that Hardik hasn't done anything special since 2017 Aus series at home.

 

[tyron_woodley]

I have clearly mentioned in a post above that Kedar has been downhill poor since the WC and he has also been dropped.

But that doesn't mean he was a bad player or worse than once in a blue moon performer Pandya. From late 2016 to early 2019 that's around 2.5 years, he was consistent.

On the other hand, Hardik has been inconsistent throughout his career. And he has also missed more matches than he has played in last 2-3 years.

WC performance is just one-off example. But other than that Hardik hasn't done anything special since 2017 Aus series at home.

He never had the power game to impress.
He is weak
He is fat.
He lacks technical shots
He had a brief good stint before 2018 yes but rayudu actually performed well in n.z back in 2018. Won us 2 games there in very difficult overcast condtions. Conditions India struggle with in general. Like I said Iyer already had outperformed jhadav in list A comps before 2019. He just don't get picked because Dhoni bird braid chose his buddies.

 

[JattMaula]

Looks like Pandya read this thread and became worried for his place!

He has started the work on his bowling and is expected to gradually ramp up the workload.

 

[Ab Fan]

He never had the power game to impress.
He is weak
He is fat.
He lacks technical shots
He had a brief good stint before 2018 yes but rayudu actually performed well in n.z back in 2018. Won us 2 games there in very difficult overcast condtions. Conditions India struggle with in general. Like I said Iyer already had outperformed jhadav in list A comps before 2019. He just don't get picked because Dhoni bird braid chose his buddies.

Yeah agreed. For all his runs he got before WC, even then team management and fans never had the confidence that we can rely on him to score some useful runs and exactly what happened in WC. It was only about time he would have got exposed and unfortunately, it happened in WC.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Yeah agreed. For all his runs he got before WC, even then team management and fans never had the confidence that we can rely on him to score some useful runs and exactly what happened in WC. It was only about time he would have got exposed and unfortunately, it happened in WC.

So basically, Jadhav's fault was that team management didn't have confidence in him. The same management which backed Pant over Iyer!

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

So basically, Jadhav's fault was that team management didn't have confidence in him. The same management which backed Pant over Iyer!

Pant is a better batsman than Iyer.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Viru Bhai, this is not an excuse for Pandya. It is an explanation on whom would I or anyone prefer between Pandya and Jadhav at no.6 as per their roles.

Yuvi has 14 ODI hundreds. He is a middle order batsmen and a top quality finisher. Ofcourse, he is a far better batsman than Pandya. It's not even comparable. But Pandya is an all-rounder and will bowl 10 overs.

Dhoni is an ATG for all his exploits between 2004-13 although he should have retired after '17 max.

Pandya is comparable to Raina as I don't think Raina has played many knocks either where he had to build the inning. Imagine Raina being sent in place of Dhoni ahead of Yuvi and Dhoni in WC 2011 final.

He is comparable to Raina? Seriously? Raina has 5 100s and 36 50s in ODI's and still he didn't know how to build partnerships and innings?

 

[Ab Fan]

So basically, Jadhav's fault was that team management didn't have confidence in him. The same management which backed Pant over Iyer!

Yes, it's the batsman fault if team management and most sensible Indian fans can't find confidence in you even after performing for 2.5 years. Add to that, he further confirmed it by scoring 80 runs in the whole tournament at strike rate of 80, so about 100 balls.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pant is a better batsman than Iyer.

Only in your la la land.

 

[Ab Fan]

He is comparable to Raina? Seriously? Raina has 5 100s and 36 50s in ODI's and still he didn't know how to build partnerships and innings?

Hitting 5 hundreds in entire career is not a great achievement for a specialist batsman who can bowl some part time spin and brother, you are making up the second part of the statement.

I said he has not played many knocks where he had to build the inning. Most of those have come in second part of his career. Of course, Pandya is 27 and is an all-rounder so you can't expect him to match a very good player like Suresh Raina in the batting department only let alone at this age.

For a 27 years old, his performance has been very good. Look at where specialist batsmen like Rohit, Rahul, Raina or Dhawan were at that age.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Yes, it's the batsman fault if team management and most sensible Indian fans can't find confidence in you even after performing for 2.5 years. Add to that, he further confirmed it by scoring 80 runs in the whole tournament at strike rate of 80, so about 100 balls.

Team management comprises of a skipper who can't win a trophy anywhwre and a coach who won't land a job anywhere else.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Rayudu is better than Jadhav

Pant is better than Iyer

Hardik and Raina are comparable

This thread is lit

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Rayudu is better than Jadhav

Pant is better than Iyer

Hardik and Raina are comparable

This thread is lit

Iyer isn't the second coming of bradman, Iyer is 26 and still has nothing to show for while Pant is the first Indian wktkeeper batsman to hit centuries in Aus and eng.

Rayudu ahead of Jadhav anyday of the week.

Raina was good and obviously Hardik isn't close at this point but Raina is no bradman. He underachieved big time and Pandya will surely end up as a better cricketer. Sometimes you need to go by instincts and ability instead of stats.

 

[KoyoAli]

Every time I see Pant fans, all they have to say are the two centuries in AUS and Eng. Like come on, Yasir Shah has one too. Azhar has a double in Aus yet most ppl here don't rate him. Its such a broken record at this point. Whenever I have seen Pant on the big stage, he has failed. One or two good innings doesn't really justify your failures when they are this glaring. Pant is milking those two innings more than some Pakistani seniors have been able to do with theirs and that impressive in itself.

 

[Ab Fan]

Team management comprises of a skipper who can't win a trophy anywhwre and a coach who won't land a job anywhere else.

With that fitness, technique, body language, hitting ability, fielding, he was never cut for international cricket except those two years when he basically hit the peak at right time and played at right position.

Rayudu is obviously a better batsmen than Jadhav and would have a decent career had he played for some other team. He was suited to top 3-4 position, will not do well if you play him below 4.

Rayudu is an accumulator but can bat and score runs in top 4.

Jadhav is also an accumulator but not cut for top 4 position except for two years where everything went right for him.

Pandya is an excellent hitter of the ball but should not bat before 20 overs have been bowled in a 50-overs game.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Iyer isn't the second coming of bradman, Iyer is 26 and still has nothing to show for while Pant is the first Indian wktkeeper batsman to hit centuries in Aus and eng.

Rayudu ahead of Jadhav anyday of the week.

Raina was good and obviously Hardik isn't close at this point but Raina is no bradman. He underachieved big time and Pandya will surely end up as a better cricketer. Sometimes you need to go by instincts and ability instead of stats.

What was the need of mentioning Bradman everywhere the mediocre performers whom you are defending here are worse than those whom you consider as mediocre. That's what I wanted to say. I am not even fan of these Jadhavs and Rainas.

Iyer isn't 2nd coming of Bradman but has performed far better than Pant in Odis till now. The discussion is on odis so I don't understand why are you bringing other formats.

Rayudu has performed better than Jadhav only in IPL and nowhere else.

Raina is way better than Hardik for now and he was also better than what Hardik was at the age of 27. If Hardik ends up as a better Cricketer than Raina, it will be great for Indian Cricket and I also wish it happens. But till now, he hasn't shown signs of becoming world class. He is inconsistent and gets injured very frequently which makes him miss most of the matches.

 

[RyanRyan10]

With that fitness, technique, body language, hitting ability, fielding, he was never cut for international cricket except those two years when he basically hit the peak at right time and played at right position.

Rayudu is obviously a better batsmen than Jadhav and would have a decent career had he played for some other team. He was suited to top 3-4 position, will not do well if you play him below 4.

Rayudu is an accumulator but can bat and score runs in top 4.

Jadhav is also an accumulator but not cut for top 4 position except for two years where everything went right for him.

Pandya is an excellent hitter of the ball but should not bat before 20 overs have been bowled in a 50-overs game.

Jadhav performed better than Rayudu when both played for India and that's what matters. Stop shifting the goalpost.

Anyways, Hardik should be at his peak now. We have 3 white ball ICC events scheduled in next 3 years. If Hardik doesn't make a name for himself here, he will fo down as one of the worst investments for us.

 

[Ab Fan]

We need a better batsmen than Jadeja at no.7. Need Manjarekar to spill some words against him till Pandya starts bowling fully.

 

[choudhary6964]

This is not 2017 anymore.

He has proven himself against pace too in the last couple of years. Cummins, Archer, Boult, Rabada.... you name it..he has smashed all of them.

He must be hitting these guys in IPL.LOL.International cricket is no IPL.I have never seen him hitting these guys in international matches.Well we will find that out in upcoming matches.

 

[Mesozoic]

He must be hitting these guys in IPL.LOL.International cricket is no IPL.I have never seen him hitting these guys in international matches.Well we will find that out in upcoming matches.

No. He hit all of them (barring archer) in int'l cricket. And even if we assume that he hit them only in the IPL, I don't quite see how that is any different. May be you can shed some light on that?.....

 

[andy0204]

I will pick Abdul Samad and Sarfaraz Khan ahead of Pandya if Pandya doesn't bowl since both can do same role.

 

[Titan24]

A decent hitter but is yet to consistently perform at international level as his average of under 30 shows. He deserves a go at no 6 but, he will be under a lot more pressure by playing as a specialist batsman as India has quite a few options vs when he was playing as a pace bowling all rounder where Indian cricket team doesnt have international standard alternatives.

Main problem for India without his bowling would be possible lack of batting depth with Jadeja at No 7 and lack of other alternatives for that position. Further without Pandya's pace bowling Indian team will find it difficult to field two wrist spinners (Chahal and Yadav) which have been a common combination for them in last few years as none of them are decent enough bat making Jadeja a necessity rather than a choice.

 

[Ab Fan]

I will pick Abdul Samad and Sarfaraz Khan ahead of Pandya if Pandya doesn't bowl since both can do same role.

Samad can't bowl 10 overs.

 

[MenInG]

He is quite capable of winning games for India with the bat.

Doing well so far vs Australia in 1st ODI

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Has average of 31 with 117 SR, he is one of the best finishers in the world. Not a Jos Buttler but even 70% of Jos Buttler is great.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

He is good enough.

 

[MenInG]

Brilliant so far - can win the game for India

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=43051]Mobashir[/MENTION]

Has he proved himself at the international level now?

 

[Gabbar Singh]

I believe this is the first time he’s batted in Australia (in an international for the senior team anyway) so he’s certainly hit the ground running.

 

[Ab Fan]

Impressive hitting but need to get rid of Jadeja. These two don't compliment each other well enough.

 

[Mean&Green]

[MENTION=43051]Mobashir[/MENTION]

Has he proved himself at the international level now?

pandya is just a false hope he’s very entertaining to watch but not a match winner in any form of international cricket to say the least majority of his runs were off pie chuckers and a couple of nice shots off a terrible out of touch Mitchell starc. Though I rate his ability to hit spinners very highly but a smart spinner won’t let him dictate terms for too long like zampa just showed. Also he has a very nice pull shot against quicks but it always goes in the same direction he doesn’t have much control or placement in it. His offside game is extremely weak and it was shown today. He is bound to get injured with that 6”2 frame and 140 pounds of bones having him just as a batsman in the team and to expect him to do the miracles he does in IPL I’m afraid that is like having extremely high standards from a player of his caliber. Too sum it up he plays an innings like this every 3 years in a losing cause like viru Bhai said nothing to go gaga about here been seeing the same pandya for quite long now nothing special here.

 

[Ab Fan]

Once Pandya starts bowling a few overs, we should play this XI in ODIs:-

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli(c)
Iyer
Rahul(wkt)
Pandya
Shankar
Kuldeep
Shami
Chahal
Bumrah

12th man- Jadeja

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Has he helped India win a match or what lol? Even Saini and Shami are punishing Australian spinners.

 

[Mean&Green]

Has he helped India win a match or what lol? Even Saini and Shami are punishing Australian spinners.

Lmao exactly if you take his whole innings majority of the punishment was delivered to pie chucker maxwell or spinner zampa and looking out of all sorts starc

 

[Ab Fan]

He played very well against all bowlers, looked quite solid while hooking shot deliveries against Hazelwood and Cummins.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Lmao exactly if you take his whole innings majority of the punishment was delivered to pie chucker maxwell or spinner zampa and looking out of all sorts starc

I would have agreed with you if he didn't hit boundaries on Starc, hazelwood and Cummins. He did all he can and was our best player no doubt about it.
Please Don't be salty

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Unimpressed.

Pandya needs to win games from adversity.

So far, he is a very good hitter. He played similar knock in Champions Trophy final as well.

Took the team to a promising position today but then holed out.

Bevan or early Dhoni or Klusener would be there till the last over.

Lots of question marks for me.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I said 3-4 years ago, this guy is batting talent.

We are all unlucky we hardly saw enough of him in international cricket through the last 3 years due to injuries and breaks

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I said 3-4 years ago, this guy is batting talent.

We are all unlucky we hardly saw enough of him in international cricket through the last 3 years due to injuries and breaks

How does he manages to play whole IPL every year though?

 

[Mobashir]

[MENTION=43051]Mobashir[/MENTION]

Has he proved himself at the international level now?

No he hasn't.
But to be fair to him he played well today.
Was very good in the first half of the innings, let's say the first 70 runs.

After that I was surprised by his approach. He didn't accelerated and went run a ball when the match was going out of reach.

Still played well against the fast bowlers and hit well against the spinners.

If you see one of my posts in this thread, I think he is a good pick for India at number 6.

 

[sindhiboy]

Once Pandya starts bowling a few overs, we should play this XI in ODIs:-

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli(c)
Iyer
Rahul(wkt)
Pandya
Shankar
Kuldeep
Shami
Chahal
Bumrah

12th man- Jadeja

I would swap shankar with bhuvneshwar Kumar

 

[Ab Fan]

I would swap shankar with bhuvneshwar Kumar

You want tail to start from 7??

 

[andy0204]

You want tail to start from 7??

Bhuvi is an injury prone player it's time to move on.

 

[Ab Fan]

Bhuvi is an injury prone player it's time to move on.

Yeah, heck even Vijay Shankar is also injury prone. There is just no option available it seems for a genuine all-rounder.

 

[Mamoon]

No he hasn't.

Yes I thought so.

 

[Forum363]

Pandya is great at coming in when matches are already lost, getting some cheap runs against mostly spinners / part timers and never actually bringing India into the game.

It’s what he did in that overrated champions trophy innings. At no point did India even dream they had a chance while he was smoking Fakhar out of the ground. Had that been Rohit or Yuvi or Kohli or Dhoni, they could have won the game.

 

[Rajdeep]

pandya is just a false hope he’s very entertaining to watch but not a match winner in any form of international cricket to say the least majority of his runs were off pie chuckers and a couple of nice shots off a terrible out of touch Mitchell starc. Though I rate his ability to hit spinners very highly but a smart spinner won’t let him dictate terms for too long like zampa just showed. Also he has a very nice pull shot against quicks but it always goes in the same direction he doesn’t have much control or placement in it. His offside game is extremely weak and it was shown today. He is bound to get injured with that 6”2 frame and 140 pounds of bones having him just as a batsman in the team and to expect him to do the miracles he does in IPL I’m afraid that is like having extremely high standards from a player of his caliber. Too sum it up he plays an innings like this every 3 years in a losing cause like viru Bhai said nothing to go gaga about here been seeing the same pandya for quite long now nothing special here.

Unimpressed.

Pandya needs to win games from adversity.

So far, he is a very good hitter. He played similar knock in Champions Trophy final as well.

Took the team to a promising position today but then holed out.

Bevan or early Dhoni or Klusener would be there till the last over.

Lots of question marks for me.

How do you chase 370 alone? When did Dhoni, Bevan or Klusener do this? Very seldom 350+ scores gets chased and can only happen if openers gives an excellent start.

Pandya played a brilliant innings today against a full strength Australian attack on their den under lights when team was struggling 140/4. Calling it soft runs just bcoz he couldnt win the game is hilarious. So I can also say your best batsman is not a match winner bcoz he couldnt finish the game against Zimbabwe and scored a cute little 125 soft runs in 125 balls. Lets be honest, If Pandya was a Pakistani he would be 2nd best batsman in your team and perhaps would be captaining now.

This kind of innings is so enjoyable especially in the manner in which his haters try to downplay it

 

[Mamoon]

Pandya is great at coming in when matches are already lost, getting some cheap runs against mostly spinners / part timers and never actually bringing India into the game.

It’s what he did in that overrated champions trophy innings. At no point did India even dream they had a chance while he was smoking Fakhar out of the ground. Had that been Rohit or Yuvi or Kohli or Dhoni, they could have won the game.

No player in history could have won the CT final from that situation. Please don’t be ridiculous just because you do not like Pandya and want to downplay his knock.

And besides, he was run out by Jadeja. Without that mix-up he wouldn’t have won India the final but would probably have scored a hundred which he deserved.

Pandya is an incredible ball striker and his best years are ahead of him - he is yet to peak.

Pakistan would kill to have a batsman like him down the order.

 

[Ashmal]

Pandya did very well today.

But questions still remain.

Pandya will always be a highly inconsistent batsman(given his method) and his batting won't come off everyday.
Also, his inability to bowl has really unbalanced the team.

Today when India conceded 375 runs the match was all but over.

The lack of a 6th bowling option when Bumrah, Chahal and Saini were getting thrashed hurt India really bad and that's where Pandya's inability to bowl really cost India.

India needs a 6th bowler, if they want to play Pandya as a batsman then perhaps someone else has to make way for a 6th bowling option.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

It is actually funny that Manish Pandey who scored a century in Australia and helped his team win that match is not taken seriously by same fans who worship Pandya's innings in lost matches. When someone like Jadhav/Rayudu played any match winning innings these same fans were bringing in the type of bowling attacks, spinners opposition had to downplay their innings.

Players like Pandya will never be consistent and he will mostly choke when he is needed to finish the games. Scoring these cheap runs can make his fans happy after every 3 years but don't expect others to rate this inning especially when it didn't help India win. Not sure why are his fans jumping? Some guys take f@nboyism to another level.

 

[Ashmal]

Although Pandya did very well today.

But I still don't feel confident about his batting.

He's a very good hitter against spin and has improved against pace as well.

But coming in at 100/4 chasing 375 there's not much to lose and he can afford to play his natural game and even if he gets out in the process no one would blame him.

I would like to see if Pandya can finish the game when he comes in at 80/4 and the target is 270 (So far he hasn't done it). That's where his batting ability will be tested.
If he can finish the game from those situations then he justifies his place as a specialist batsman otherwise he has to bowl to be in the playing 11.

 

[tyron_woodley]

It is actually funny that Manish Pandey who scored a century in Australia and helped his team win that match is not taken seriously by same fans who worship Pandya's innings in lost matches. When someone like Jadhav/Rayudu played any match winning innings these same fans were bringing in the type of bowling attacks, spinners opposition had to downplay their innings.

Players like Pandya will never be consistent and he will mostly choke when he is needed to finish the games. Scoring these cheap runs can make his fans happy after every 3 years but don't expect others to rate this inning especially when it didn't help India win. Not sure why are his fans jumping? Some guys take f@nboyism to another level.

pandey over iyer anyday. or surykumar yadav. or gill.

 

[Ab Fan]

pandey over iyer anyday. or surykumar yadav. or gill.

And next game when Pandey fails, you will say the opposite? MP averages 35 after all the chances that has been given to him and has S/R issues as well.

If you have to play him, it should be in place of Iyer but making that change is nonsensical at the moment as Iyer has done nothing wrong since the chance he got in the team.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

How do you chase 370 alone? When did Dhoni, Bevan or Klusener do this? Very seldom 350+ scores gets chased and can only happen if openers gives an excellent start.

Pandya played a brilliant innings today against a full strength Australian attack on their den under lights when team was struggling 140/4. Calling it soft runs just bcoz he couldnt win the game is hilarious. So I can also say your best batsman is not a match winner bcoz he couldnt finish the game against Zimbabwe and scored a cute little 125 soft runs in 125 balls. Lets be honest, If Pandya was a Pakistani he would be 2nd best batsman in your team and perhaps would be captaining now.

This kind of innings is so enjoyable especially in the manner in which his haters try to downplay it

He has played 55 games, has an average of 31 with zero centuries. More importantly, he does not have a history of winning games from difficult situations - coming as he does at no 6 or 7 with a role to see his team home.

Even today, it was marginally winnable with support from the other end - players have done it in the past. Players like Stokes, Dhoni, Bevan have done it many times.

No one is questioning his talent or his hitting ability. But he has to make it count. That's all.

 

[Finisher]

Pandya is the Asad Shafiq of ODI Cricket

 

[Forum363]

No player in history could have won the CT final from that situation. Please don’t be ridiculous just because you do not like Pandya and want to downplay his knock.

And besides, he was run out by Jadeja. Without that mix-up he wouldn’t have won India the final but would probably have scored a hundred which he deserved.

Pandya is an incredible ball striker and his best years are ahead of him - he is yet to peak.

Pakistan would kill to have a batsman like him down the order.

So then what’s the value in his innings if he was never going to get India over the line? It was without any pressure and he bashed the spinners / part timers. On what basis is that a great innings? A few sixes against Fakhar who is not even a part timer, and Shadab?

This is like a random 50 tail Enders make when the game is already lost and the opponents take it easy. Who knows how many he would have scored but he we know that the Pakistan pacers were too good for the ATG top and middle order that day so unlikely Pandya could have done better.

He is a good six hitter against spin but even Amir has a couple of half centuries in losing causes which involves some big shots. Pandya has yet to play more than one of two decent innings of substances.

 

[Forum363]

If you must talk about innings in losing causes you have to compare them to Jadeja’s in the semi final, or Amir’s partnership with Ajmal in that ODI against New Zealand. Those were from almost unwinnable positions but gave the team hope.

What’s the point if a player scores a 50 but at no point looks like winning the game? Yes he outscored his team mates that day but that doesn’t help anyone.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

And next game when Pandey fails, you will say the opposite? MP averages 35 after all the chances that has been given to him and has S/R issues as well.

If you have to play him, it should be in place of Iyer but making that change is nonsensical at the moment as Iyer has done nothing wrong since the chance he got in the team.

Pandey averages 35 after 26 games
Pandya averages 31 after 55 games

As an allrounder Pandya may have an edge over Pandey but since OP is talking about Pandya playing as a batsman alone I don't think India should play an inconsistent player like him at that position. Raina also averages 35 and he played alongside some of the biggest names in Indian cricket. He had 5 centuries and 36 50's and he mostly came at 6. Pandya has to start winning games in order to shut or slap his critics.

 

[shariqnoor]

Pandya has an extraordinary capability of hitting the ball. But he needs to be much more than that. 375 was too big a target for him to chase. I do rate him as a great batter but he doesn't win India much matches. So at the end of the day, what good are his 70s and 80s? Guys like Stokes, Buttler, Razzaq finished matches for their team.

Needs to be backed though as he is insanely talented with the bat. But as of now, doesn't have the ability to win a match single-handedly either with the bat or the ball.

 

[shamaan]

Has he helped India win a match or what lol? Even Saini and Shami are punishing Australian spinners.

Yeah he loves playing spin bisicaly hes a spin basher

 

[shamaan]

Pandya loves playing spin hes a spin basher and okay batter against race .

 

[Mamoon]

Pandya has an extraordinary capability of hitting the ball. But he needs to be much more than that. 375 was too big a target for him to chase. I do rate him as a great batter but he doesn't win India much matches. So at the end of the day, what good are his 70s and 80s? Guys like Stokes, Buttler, Razzaq finished matches for their team.

Needs to be backed though as he is insanely talented with the bat. But as of now, doesn't have the ability to win a match single-handedly either with the bat or the ball.

Pandya’s situation is a bit unique because his team either leaves with him with too much or too little to do.

He will never be as good as Buttler and Stokes who are freakish talents, but he has all the talent and the time to be better than Razzaq.

His 83 (66) vs Australia in 2017 where he took India to 281 from 87/5 is an example of his match-winning capabilities.

He is yet to reach his peak and has many years of cricket left in him. Indian fans have a lot to look forward to.

 

[Mamoon]

So then what’s the value in his innings if he was never going to get India over the line? It was without any pressure and he bashed the spinners / part timers. On what basis is that a great innings? A few sixes against Fakhar who is not even a part timer, and Shadab?

This is like a random 50 tail Enders make when the game is already lost and the opponents take it easy. Who knows how many he would have scored but he we know that the Pakistan pacers were too good for the ATG top and middle order that day so unlikely Pandya could have done better.

He is a good six hitter against spin but even Amir has a couple of half centuries in losing causes which involves some big shots. Pandya has yet to play more than one of two decent innings of substances.

The value of his CT innings was that he provided Indian cricket fans with a glimpse of what he could provide in the future. He was the only Indian batsman who gave Indian fans something to cheer about.

Without his slogfest, India would have been dismissed for less than a hundred.

He mauled Shadab who is considered a future star by Pakistani fans and against whose bowling, the likes of Yuvraj, Dhoni and Jadhav looked like sitting ducks.

His confidence to make a statement in that situation on that stage give Indian fans a glimpse of the high impact player that he could become in the future.

Moreover, Pakistan did not look like they had an answer to his onslaught and without the run out, he could have scored a hundred.

If the shoe was on the other foot and Pakistan was in India’s position on that day, and Shadab or Faheem would have smashed 76 in 43, do you think Pakistani fans would not get excited and would not consider it a great knock?

As far as tail-enders playing cameos in losing causes are concerned, they reason people do not rate those innings is because they are tail-enders and they are not expected to deliver with the bat.

When Shoaib smoked some 40 odd runs in 16 balls against England in the 2003 World Cup, no one talked much about that innings because it wasn’t an indication of what was to come. Everyone knew he will remain a tail-ender who was just having a great day.

On the contrary, Pandya’s innings gave India a glimpse of what he could deliver in the future.

Obviously, Amir’s knock against New Zealand in 2009 cannot be compared to other tail-enders playing cameos when the game is over. That was a tremendous innings and nearly took Pakistan home.

 

[Ab Fan]

Pandey averages 35 after 26 games
Pandya averages 31 after 55 games

As an allrounder Pandya may have an edge over Pandey but since OP is talking about Pandya playing as a batsman alone I don't think India should play an inconsistent player like him at that position. Raina also averages 35 and he played alongside some of the biggest names in Indian cricket. He had 5 centuries and 36 50's and he mostly came at 6. Pandya has to start winning games in order to shut or slap his critics.

What about Strike Rate?? Pandya 115, Pandey 91.

Pandey is a good batsmen but suits at no.4 position, not below that. He is an accumulator.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

What about Strike Rate?? Pandya 115, Pandey 91.

Pandey is a good batsmen but suits at no.4 position, not below that. He is an accumulator.

Pandya batted at a strike rate of 52 in the Semi Final of the World Cup. If you think his strike rate can keep him as a specialist batsman in ODI team then I won't argue over it anymore

 

[Ab Fan]

Pandya batted at a strike rate of 52 in the Semi Final of the World Cup. If you think his strike rate can keep him as a specialist batsman in ODI team then I won't argue over it anymore

So, you think S/R don't matter in ODIs? It's okay to bat slowly and shamelessly just to maintain better average then? To me, it's the other way round. At batting position below no.4, S/R actually matters even more than averages.

I am sure your avatar and profile name would have been different if Sehwag would have batted at 75 S/R in ODIs than 105. Isn't it?

 

[sharmaji]

He played a decent innings today. And proved many skeptics like me wrong who questioned his position as a no 6 batsman who can't bowl. However, even though Pandya has mad hitting skills against spinners,I think he doesn't have the technique, temperament to make 100s like a proper batsman. Yes, if he can bowl, then he is a huge asset in the team as an allrounder. But as batsmen alone, he is still not there for me. But then, I don't see any better alternatives either. Manish Pandey or Sanju Samson maybe, I am not convinced of them either.

 

[Mobashir]

His confidence to make a statement in that situation on that stage give Indian fans a glimpse of the high impact player that he could become in the future.

And 3 years after that innings Indian fans are still looking at the impact innings he will play.
Yet to win them or play important innings.
One in test vs South Africa and that's all in so many years.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

And 3 years after that innings Indian fans are still looking at the impact innings he will play.
Yet to win them or play important innings.
One in test vs South Africa and that's all in so many years.

He already won a MOS vs aus.
As Saj said, Pakistan would love to have someone like him.

 

[Mobashir]

He already won a MOS vs aus.
As Saj said, Pakistan would love to have someone like him.

You guys need to understand something. I am Pakistani so a Pakistan supporter but I don't rate those poor Pakistani players.

When you talk being better than Faheem Ashraf, Iftikhar etc that really doesn't mean anything in the cricketing terms.

Pakistan is a poor team filled with some of the worst players going around. I am shocked Bangladesh has not got in front of us.

Here the discussion is about Hardik Pandya. Not a comparaison with Pakistani players.
After 4 years of international cricket and nearly 100 matches it will be hard to find a good player that has done less than Pandya. He has literally done nothing to be seen as a good player.
Today's innings was good, nothing very good or amazing about it. He will have to play like this many more times to become a good player.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Pandya batted at a strike rate of 52 in the Semi Final of the World Cup. If you think his strike rate can keep him as a specialist batsman in ODI team then I won't argue over it anymore

Dhoni batted at str rate of 67 and wasn't able to finish the match and if you are basing someones whole career on semis then even sharma and kohli ahould be kicked out of the team.

 

[Rajdeep]

Dhoni batted at str rate of 67 and wasn't able to finish the match and if you are basing someones whole career on semis then even sharma and kohli ahould be kicked out of the team.

He is no fan of Dhoni either. The only reason for all this love and adulation for expired Dhoni is because he posed no threat as a player, especially when India is playing against the team he supports. Once Pandya passed his peak years and no longer a threat...the admiration for him will also automatically increase. Its a pretty old game...aap chronology ko samjhiye

Anyway, real Indian cricket fans like us knows the worth of Pandya in the team. The good thing is even our captain and team management rates him highly. Thats all matters. Hardik Pandya has lots to offer in next 3 world cups with 2 of them being in India. His peak years are just starting. Lets not bring legends like Dhoni and give the naysayers what they want to hear.

 

[King_Kohli]

He is no fan of Dhoni either. The only reason for all this love and adulation for expired Dhoni is because he posed no threat as a player, especially when India is playing against the team he supports. Once Pandya passed his peak years and no longer a threat...the admiration for him will also automatically increase. Its a pretty old game...aap chronology ko samjhiye

Anyway, real Indian cricket fans like us knows the worth of Pandya in the team. The good thing is even our captain and team management rates him highly. Thats all matters. Hardik Pandya has lots to offer in next 3 world cups with 2 of them being in India. His peak years are just starting. Lets not bring legends like Dhoni and give the naysayers what they want to hear.

+1
Expecting from him in next 3 cups.

 

[MenInG]

India batsman Hardik Pandya smashed a 31-ball 50 while chasing a mammoth target of 375 against Australia in the first ODI in Sydney on Friday.

Pandya, who made his ODI debut against New Zealand in Dharamsala in 2016, completed 1,000 ODI runs. He took 55 matches to reach the landmark.

The 27-year-old has been a regular in the limited-overs side before injury issues ruled him out of important tournaments. He returned to international cricket after more than a year.

AUS vs IND Live Score

Pandya had a lower back surgery in October 2019. The Indian Premier League 2020 triumph with Mumbai Indians prepared him well for the tour Down Under. At present, he is playing purely as a batsman and has not resumed bowling.

Pandya took guard at a critical juncture of the game with India losing its top four inside the first 15 overs. He added 128 runs for the fifth wicket with Shikhar Dhawan (74, 86b, 10x4). He missed his century by a whisker, falling for 90 off 76 balls (7x4, 4x6).

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...-steve-smith-cricket-news/article33192840.ece

 

[Mobashir]

India batsman Hardik Pandya smashed a 31-ball 50 while chasing a mammoth target of 375 against Australia in the first ODI in Sydney on Friday.

Pandya, who made his ODI debut against New Zealand in Dharamsala in 2016, completed 1,000 ODI runs. He took 55 matches to reach the landmark.

The 27-year-old has been a regular in the limited-overs side before injury issues ruled him out of important tournaments. He returned to international cricket after more than a year.

AUS vs IND Live Score

Pandya had a lower back surgery in October 2019. The Indian Premier League 2020 triumph with Mumbai Indians prepared him well for the tour Down Under. At present, he is playing purely as a batsman and has not resumed bowling.

Pandya took guard at a critical juncture of the game with India losing its top four inside the first 15 overs. He added 128 runs for the fifth wicket with Shikhar Dhawan (74, 86b, 10x4). He missed his century by a whisker, falling for 90 off 76 balls (7x4, 4x6).

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...-steve-smith-cricket-news/article33192840.ece

After the fifty his SR was under 100 and the RRR was jumping toward 12.
Not helped by partners but don't know what he was trying to do at the end. It was better for him to continue trying to win the match rather than just go trough the motions.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

So, you think S/R don't matter in ODIs? It's okay to bat slowly and shamelessly just to maintain better average then? To me, it's the other way round. At batting position below no.4, S/R actually matters even more than averages.

I am sure your avatar and profile name would have been different if Sehwag would have batted at 75 S/R in ODIs than 105. Isn't it?

Now you are putting dumb arguments. Scoring 10 runs from 4 balls as a specialist batsman may be exciting for you but not me. It may work in T20's but in ODI's you need to be consistent and stay at the wicket especially when you are chasing. Guys like Pandya/Pant keeps throwing their wickets away and haven't shown any signs of staying till the end to finish games.

Few days ago you were comparing him with Raina and now you are bringing Sehwag into discussion. Also sehwag was a match winner. He didn't need to score cheap runs to stay relevant lol.