Is Haris Rauf ready to represent Pakistan in Tests?

[Thunderbolt14]

Wasim has also said that he’s called each of the players individually and that plans are being developed for each player to continue developing at the NHPC and in domestic cricket. This is the first time I’ve heard of something like this happening in our system and it speaks to that sense of continuity that you too are talking about.

Continuity should not just occur for selected players to get a sustained run in the national side, but it should also occur for fringe and dropped players jo “abhi bhi apna loha manwa saktay hain” — making detailed technical plans about what their strengths and weaknesses are, reasons for non-selection, what they need to improve, and exactly which drills they need to focus on with the NHPC coaches.

Secondly, we need to reduce the “binarization” of selection where you are either in the team, or not. Taking your example, if Faheem is not taking to many wickets but still batting well, it should be okay to “rest” him for one series and send him to work with Mohammad Zahid and [Ian Pont] at the National High Performance Center for a 2-week intensive program.

In fact, Faheem said a couple days ago that his shoulder injury is one of the best things that has ever happened to him - unable to bowl, the management was forced to rest him a couple games and he went to the NHPC to work with Mohammad Yousuf on his batting. Yousuf worked with him on his balance and footwork for two weeks, just some minor adjustments and hard work, and the results in New Zealand are there for all to see.

We should normalize this kind of player management, and provide top class support at the NHPC to fringe players who are told - you have been “rested” so you can go work on these specific technicals. You are still in our plans.

Building on this, Haris Rauf must absolutely work hard in first class cricket and work in the NHPC on the kinds of areas he’s hitting with the ball. If he is successfully able to hit the same spot even 3-4 times per over at good pace, and ensure that the remaining 2-3 deliveries are not too full or too short, he can do well in reversing conditions as he has an action and pace conducive to reverse swing. He has a nice natural outswing with the ball as well, as well as the ability to bring the ball back in.

He has the raw ingredients but god bless his heart, he has no idea what to do with them. The likes of Mohammad Zahid will be vital in the development process at the NHPC and it remains to be seem whether Zahid can accomplish the mission he has been tasked with. This needs to happen between now and September, as Rauf is likely to play the World T20 in October-November.

Next, it should be planned starting now that Rauf will be rested from all formats beginning late November and throughout December 2021. He, along with Mohammad Hasnain, Usman Qadir, Shadab Khan, Abdullah Shafique, Haider Ali, and Zafar Gohar, should all be rested from all formats during this month so they can play first class cricket.

In fact, I would be interested in the PCB considering a proposal to have a second first class season per year, as 10 games per year seems way too less to me. I would like for the QeA trophy to be held twice a year, with one season running throughout November-December and another season running in April-May. Our domestic cricket first XI schedule for 2021-2022 should look like this:

September 15 - October 10: National T20 Cup

October 15 - November 15: Pakistan Cup (during the World T20)

November 20 - January 31: QeA Trophy (Karachi)

February 20 - March 25: PSL 7

April 1 - June 10: QeA Trophy (Rawalpindi)

June 11 - September 15: Summer break

—END OF CALENDAR YEAR 21-22—

 

[UzmanBeast]

Wasim has also said that he’s called each of the players individually and that plans are being developed for each player to continue developing at the NHPC and in domestic cricket. This is the first time I’ve heard of something like this happening in our system and it speaks to that sense of continuity that you too are talking about.

Continuity should not just occur for selected players to get a sustained run in the national side, but it should also occur for fringe and dropped players jo “abhi bhi apna loha manwa saktay hain” — making detailed technical plans about what their strengths and weaknesses are, reasons for non-selection, what they need to improve, and exactly which drills they need to focus on with the NHPC coaches.

Secondly, we need to reduce the “binarization” of selection where you are either in the team, or not. Taking your example, if Faheem is not taking to many wickets but still batting well, it should be okay to “rest” him for one series and send him to work with Mohammad Zahid and [Ian Pont] at the National High Performance Center for a 2-week intensive program.

In fact, Faheem said a couple days ago that his shoulder injury is one of the best things that has ever happened to him - unable to bowl, the management was forced to rest him a couple games and he went to the NHPC to work with Mohammad Yousuf on his batting. Yousuf worked with him on his balance and footwork for two weeks, just some minor adjustments and hard work, and the results in New Zealand are there for all to see.

We should normalize this kind of player management, and provide top class support at the NHPC to fringe players who are told - you have been “rested” so you can go work on these specific technicals. You are still in our plans.

Exactly, we need these plans in place for the players that we drop.

Ideally, Mohammad Wasin should identify a pool of players, maybe 30 or so, to keep an eye on and keep in the mix of things across all formats. Whenever one is dropped from the squad, they should report to the NHPC and receive their training program which they should finish, go back into domestic, perform, and then reclaim their spot.

Faheem's batting in recent times has improved tremendously, but his bowling has remained relatively constant. He's been economical in T20I, but in test matches, he's taking to a similar role like Abbas, meaning that we probably don't need Abbas anymore. If Faheem can bowl around the mid 130 kph mark, I'd say that for overseas tours, him and Shaheen should be the new ball bowlers, given that Abbas and Tabish are not in the squad at that time.

 

[shamaan]

Mohammad Wasim's presence won't do justice to Zafar Gohar's exclusion, he will seriously need to show, with evidence, that there are plans for these players.

Wasim said that Zafar wasn't a ready product at this point in time, and needed to spend some more time in FC Cricket. Whether that's from a bowling standpoint or a batting standpoint, I can't decode, but compared to the likes of Nawaz, Salman Ali Agha, his bowling is far superior though his batting average isn't as high as the likes of Nawaz.

But I can respect the inclusion of Nawaz, it's clear that our team needs some spin-bowling batting all-rounders who can be tight with overs when given the ball. I'm assuming that bringing Nawaz into the plans is similar to a like-for-like replacement to Haris Sohail, who used to bowl as well.

However, one thing I want to see is continuity. Apart from the likes of Tabish Khan and Nauman Ali, most of these candidates should get selected for future tours to keep continuity present and form a proper pool of players for specific situations. These players should only be replaced if they fail to meet the expectations of their roles, like if Faheem is batting really well but he's not taking too many wickets, we should either work on him for a few series and evaluate the progress, or substitute him for another fast-bowling all-rounder.

i think thats from a bowling point of view as hes not a good batter to compete as an all rounder.hes compeition is sajid and nuaman for bowling spot from my thinking.

 

[shamaan]

Yes Rauf and so many other players. Wasim is a small time player and in a country like Pakistan, they would never listen to someone like Wasim. He was brought in so that he listens to people higher up and does things the way they see fit. Does not mean Wasim is totally a dummy selector as he will select his favourite players as well and the ones he likes in his domestic teams. This whole process will work more like " I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine "

These things go way back. Say someone with the same family name appeared for PIA under 19 trials and was miles better than all other players, but was not selected by the person(top 15 all time player of pakistan) who was conducting these trials and the following day he announced names through a newspaper of the guys who were not even present at those trials. These kind of things annoys the entire community and from that point on, they make a mission to support their own guys at any cost and use whatever political source they can to get that player selected in PCT.

The only players you can question is rauf and abdullah and he gave his reasons why he had included them.but he also made some very good decisions such as dropping shan,haris and made changes such as saud shakeel kamran who were two of tbe most succesful scores last season.he also brought in the 2 spinners who topped the chart.if he wanted to select his faviroutes players he would have selected rohail nazir asif ali ect.

 

[UzmanBeast]

i think thats from a bowling point of view as hes not a good batter to compete as an all rounder.hes compeition is sajid and nuaman for bowling spot from my thinking.

I'd rank Nauman and Sajid ahead of Zafar as a bowler, but Zafar beats both as a batsman.

It's a thing with balance, so you'd want to have the better spinner on your side if you know your batting is good enough.

 

[Caved12]

The only players you can question is rauf and abdullah and he gave his reasons why he had included them.but he also made some very good decisions such as dropping shan,haris and made changes such as saud shakeel kamran who were two of tbe most succesful scores last season.he also brought in the 2 spinners who topped the chart.if he wanted to select his faviroutes players he would have selected rohail nazir asif ali ect.

So as per you, there are two questionable selections, and yet you give them a thumbs up. Sorry, I can't do that.

 

[dhump]

He is far from ready to even play ODI’s, but then it is not that others were setting world on fire. At best Pakistan is a mediocre test side with probably 1-2 world class players so his selection is hardly shocking.

 

[shamaan]

So as per you, there are two questionable selections, and yet you give them a thumbs up. Sorry, I can't do that.

Of course they are questionable but he gave his reasons for their inclusions which is fine.lets look at the positives for once 70 percent of his selection was excellent hes better job than all his previews selectors recently.

 

[shamaan]

I'd rank Nauman and Sajid ahead of Zafar as a bowler, but Zafar beats both as a batsman.

It's a thing with balance, so you'd want to have the better spinner on your side if you know your batting is good enough.

yes defonitely nauman and sajid are better bowlers and Nawaz and agha are better all rounders so he cant find him in the squad based upon his bowling or all rounder skills.

 

[MenInG]

So can Haris Rauf make his debut in the 2nd Test? Pakistan needs some raw pace also.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

So can Haris Rauf make his debut in the 2nd Test? Pakistan needs some raw pace also.

I don’t think we do. If he can bowl pace with decent accuracy, sure. But right now he’s a spraygun with good T20 variations. I would be hesitant bowling him in ODIs as well, if not for the fact that we have zero new ball bowlers in domestic cricket and he can swing the ball outwards.

I rate him as a limited overs prospect, but he’s going to need to get prodigious amounts of reverse swing with decent accuracy for him to be a serious prospect for the Pindi test.

 

[moghul]

So can Haris Rauf make his debut in the 2nd Test? Pakistan needs some raw pace also.

Raw pace ?? in last matches his pace has been 133-140 mostly , that's not raw pace.

 

[moghul]

For some "unknown reason" Pakistani pacemen lose their pace when they cross mid 20 years of age. Pacemen from other countries peak at average age of 32.

Hasan Ali, Haris, Amir and before that Razzaq and many other did the same, Age fudging is a real problem in Pakistan . I'm sure "17 year old " Naseem will lose his pace at 25 also.

 

[Bewal Express]

For some "unknown reason" Pakistani pacemen lose their pace when they cross mid 20 years of age. Pacemen from other countries peak at average age of 32.

Hasan Ali, Haris, Amir and before that Razzaq and many other did the same, Age fudging is a real problem in Pakistan . I'm sure "17 year old " Naseem will lose his pace at 25 also.

Why is that a surprise? Most of the ages are faked.

 

[Bewal Express]

Haris has more to offer than Hasan. Hasan isn't any sort of bowler, he isnt quick, tall or has any real swing or seam. For me Hasan offered nothing. Haris isn't great but not being under pressure straight away like in T20 may help him to attack with the new ball. The big question is whether he has the stamina to bowl 18 overs in a day and possibly 30 in an innings.

 

[moghul]

Haris has more to offer than Hasan. Hasan isn't any sort of bowler, he isnt quick, tall or has any real swing or seam. For me Hasan offered nothing. Haris isn't great but not being under pressure straight away like in T20 may help him to attack with the new ball. The big question is whether he has the stamina to bowl 18 overs in a day and possibly 30 in an innings.

On what basis Haris deserves a test spot, what talent has he shown in longer version of the game. Whats his performance in QeA trophy. What sin other fast bowlers have committed who have been toiling hard in 4 days games throughout the season.

Street cricket and then couple of season of tamasha cricket and a test cap, really ???

 

[Bewal Express]

On what basis Haris deserves a test spot, what talent has he shown in longer version of the game. Whats his performance in QeA trophy. What sin other fast bowlers have committed who have been toiling hard in 4 days games throughout the season.

Street cricket and then couple of season of tamasha cricket and a test cap, really ???

Out of the 2 he will be more of a threat. Neither really offers much and he needs to play FC and take wickets

 

[UzmanBeast]

I don’t think we do. If he can bowl pace with decent accuracy, sure. But right now he’s a spraygun with good T20 variations. I would be hesitant bowling him in ODIs as well, if not for the fact that we have zero new ball bowlers in domestic cricket and he can swing the ball outwards.

I rate him as a limited overs prospect, but he’s going to need to get prodigious amounts of reverse swing with decent accuracy for him to be a serious prospect for the Pindi test.

Haris Rauf has a lot of potential across all formats, but that isn't a reason to give him a test cap.

With an 18-20 over old ball, I have seen him reverse it quite a few times, so he does have the skillset to do so.

Haris Rauf reminds me of Bumrah in a bit due to the way his arm comes down straight, and his natural length being extremely full.

What Haris should do is go to the NHPC and work with Mohammad Zahid, who was a very quick bowler. He'll enjoy working on Haris because he can really make him into a better bowler.

Right now, Haris is ticking a few boxes:
1. Has shown the ability to swing the ball away from right handers.
2. Has a good pace and repeatable action (I think that if he increases his runup, he could bowl maybe 148 kph regular.)
3. He has shown skills with the old ball on a few occasions.
4. He's already in the side as well.

Hasan Ali is another bowler who can bowl some good reverse swing, but I think that he played too much FC Cricket in search of a comeback. If you compare his lines and lengths from FC Cricket to how he's bowling against SA, you'll notice that he's bowling too close to the middle-leg stump line, and when he's reversing the ball, he starts it on off stump, which is wrong. If the ball is reversing considerably, you're supposed to start it on 5th stump line or 4th stump line and let it reverse and hit the pad and remove the chance of it swinging past leg-stump. I hope he corrects this mistake.

Also, I don't think Hasan with the new ball is such a good idea. Personally, I think that Shaheen and Faheem should start with the new ball because Faheem can keep things tight from one end whereas Shaheen looks to attack. Hasan should be brought in the middle overs where he can bowl freely and search for wickets.

If Haris Rauf can go into domestic cricket, predominantly List A and First Class cricket and produce promising results, I wouldn't mind keeping him near the team especially if he can learn how to control his bowling lines and lengths.

 

[Saj]

My concern about Haris would be just how many overs he could bowl in a Test match before he hobbles off the field.

The guy has bowled just 444 balls in first-class cricket in just 3 matches. To throw him into a Test match would be a massive risk.

I still can't believe he's in the Test squad.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Need to change this culture of just throwing someone in the wilderness because of some extraordinary ability.

We have this new regional system in. Tell people to perform consistently for a few seasons in this set up then expect to be selected. Saud Shakeel is a great example, someone who is ready for international cricket after performing consistently.

Reward consistency instead of flashy performances. Change this culture and reap the rewards of it in a few years.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Haris has more to offer than Hasan. Hasan isn't any sort of bowler, he isnt quick, tall or has any real swing or seam. For me Hasan offered nothing. Haris isn't great but not being under pressure straight away like in T20 may help him to attack with the new ball. The big question is whether he has the stamina to bowl 18 overs in a day and possibly 30 in an innings.

Hasan is 10 times the cricketer Haris will ever be.

 

[bilawal666]

No, Rauf will go for 12 runs an over.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

We have cheapened the value of test cap to an extent that it's a joke now.

You can't just pick a random player and start playing him in tests just on the basis of "talent" or "pace"
International cricket has prestige and only Pakistan cricket has the audacity to give every tom, dick and harry a go in international cricket.

Guys with single digit FC matches are being selected as birthday gifts. You need to earn the place to get selected for the highest level. Toil hard in domestic cricket(not PSL or t10), play a few seasons of FC cricket systematically ie club cricket to grade 2 to fc, try playing club cricket abroad. That's how cricketers are made.

PSL is destroying whatever chain pathway there is in Pakistan to rise through the ranks.

These talent hunts are picking up street cricketers, bringing them to the public eye through PSL and media campaigning, creating waves to get these street cricketers selected by whatever ways (either through creating false perceptions of having found gems and diamonds or making good connections with the people in charge of national team)

 

[Bewal Express]

Hasan is 10 times the cricketer Haris will ever be.

Neither fills me with any confidence

 

[gazza619]

Hasan is 10 times the cricketer Haris will ever be.

If you said Hasan is twice the cricketer that would have sound more reasonable.

Neither has Hasan set the world on fire nor is Haris so poor.

If Hasan doesnt start to take wickets, Haris will deserve one chance at least.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

If you said Hasan is twice the cricketer that would have sound more reasonable.

Neither has Hasan set the world on fire nor is Haris so poor.

If Hasan doesnt start to take wickets, Haris will deserve one chance at least.

Okay maybe twice.
Hasan has won us a major tournament. His performance in 2017 was extra ordinary. He has achieved much more in a 3 year career than Haris probably will (if he stays around)

 

[chacha kashmiri]

We do need a plan a to bowl to the south African top order, we currently have no chance of getting them out with the new ball
Haris rauf couldn't do any worse with the new ball in Pindi

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Hes 27 and played only 3 FC matches. Can he even bowl 18 overs a day at full pace? The justification for his selection was based on pace but keeping speeds up for 4 overs and 4 different spells a day are completely different things.

 

[Firebat]

With our Test fast bowling, I'm not sure many people could do worse. Big question however on whether he could even last a day, let alone 5.

 

[Junaids]

My concern about Haris would be just how many overs he could bowl in a Test match before he hobbles off the field.

The guy has bowled just 444 balls in first-class cricket in just 3 matches. To throw him into a Test match would be a massive risk.

I still can't believe he's in the Test squad.

That's why he is an alternative in home conditions to Faheem Ashraf. Let Hasan Ali be the third quick instead of Faheem.

 

[hitthestump]

If we needed pace so badly then someone could have just given Mohammad Sami a call, pretty certain he's free.

How did Mohammad Sami's searing pace work out at test level btw? That'll tell you what you need to know about playing Rauf merely on this premise alone.

 

[Junaids]

With our Test fast bowling, I'm not sure many people could do worse. Big question however on whether he could even last a day, let alone 5.

I actually don't worry too much about a fast bowler being 27 years old and having very few overs of wear and tear on his clock.

Curtly Ambrose debuted in Tests aged 24 years and 9 months, having only made his First Class debut at the age of 22.

[MENTION=138460]Nihil[/MENTION]_cric is correct to query whether Haris Rauf could bowl 18 overs per day at full pace. But that is not how you should use your express bowlers anyway: Michael Clarke commented that with Mitchell Johnson he found that he was most effective when he was at his fastest, and that was when he bowled a single 4 over spell in every session. 12 overs per day.

And that is what people used to bowl in the first 3 ICC World Cups, all of which were played with 60 over innings.

The secret to Haris Rauf being effective in Tests will be for him to be one of 3 quick bowlers in Asia and one of 4 in SENA. In a 5 or even 6 man attack, so that if Rauf gets sore there are other people to bowl the overs.

I would probably look at fielding the following attacks in Asia and SENA

IN SENA
Opening bowlers: Shaheen (11) and Haris (10)
Third seamer: Hasan Ali (9)
Fourth quick: Faheem Ashraf (8) or Amad Butt
Two part-time spinners: Shadab Khan (7) and Mohammad Nawaz (6)

IN ASIA:
Opening bowlers: Shaheen (11) and Haris (10)
Third seamer: Hasan Ali (9)
Main spinner: Sajid Khan (8)
Support-spinners: Shadab Khan (7) and Mohammad Nawaz (6)

 

[Junaids]

I guess what I'm saying is that Haris Rauf can provide the extra pace and menace that Naseem Shah has failed to deliver.

But he can only do it with a carefully restricted workload, and that requires the team to be packed with all-rounders, as follows:

1. Imran Butt
2. Azhar Ali
3. Mohammad Rizwan (wk) - the Alec Stewart role!
4. Babar Azam
5. Fawad Alam - for now. Saud Shakeel waiting in the wings.
6. Mohammad Nawaz (support spinner)
7. Shadab Khan (support spinner)
8. Faheem Ashraf in SENA (fourth quick), Sajid Khan in Asia (lead spinner)
9. Hasan Ali (third quick)
10. Haris Rauf (pace bowler restricted to 10-14 overs per day)
11. Shaheen Shah Afridi

There are three specialist bowlers (4 in Asia) plus 2-3 all-rounders, so that Haris Rauf is not overbowled.

 

[moghul]

Anyone who have played some level of club cricket or at higher level , would not support upgrading a medium fast bowler from street cricket to test cricket via T20 cricket.

Rauf is no Ambrose or Akram who burst into world cricket with very few FC games behind them and those cricketers are not born every day.

And Rauf is not a tear away 150 km/h plus shock bowler.

Just look at his pace recently even when he bowls 2-3 overs in a row, hardly touching 140.

The guy has no skill as a bowler for FC or test cricket , never been tested , and does not make sense to include him in test and expecting to be a new Shoaib Akhtar.

 

[ahmadharis1]

My concern about Haris would be just how many overs he could bowl in a Test match before he hobbles off the field.

The guy has bowled just 444 balls in first-class cricket in just 3 matches. To throw him into a Test match would be a massive risk.

I still can't believe he's in the Test squad.

Chief Selector: We want to reward domestic performers

Also chief selector: We are selecting Haris Rauf who has played 3 first class matches, hasn't played one since 2019, and has taken 7 wickets @ 40 average and 3.71 economy

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

He doesn't have the runup to bowl fast consistently.
He needs to sort out his strides, make them longer and more rhythmical.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Nope. Pakistan should go unchanged into the second game.

 

[Last Monetarist]

I guess what I'm saying is that Haris Rauf can provide the extra pace and menace that Naseem Shah has failed to deliver.

But he can only do it with a carefully restricted workload, and that requires the team to be packed with all-rounders, as follows:

1. Imran Butt
2. Azhar Ali
3. Mohammad Rizwan (wk) - the Alec Stewart role!
4. Babar Azam
5. Fawad Alam - for now. Saud Shakeel waiting in the wings.
6. Mohammad Nawaz (support spinner)
7. Shadab Khan (support spinner)
8. Faheem Ashraf in SENA (fourth quick), Sajid Khan in Asia (lead spinner)
9. Hasan Ali (third quick)
10. Haris Rauf (pace bowler restricted to 10-14 overs per day)
11. Shaheen Shah Afridi

There are three specialist bowlers (4 in Asia) plus 2-3 all-rounders, so that Haris Rauf is not overbowled.

Is this the side outside Asia or are you really advocating for selecting two part-time spinners at home?

Btw, the Alec Stewart role was one of the biggest mistakes the ECB made during the 90s, as they ruined the prospect of having one of the great opening batsmen in English history.

 

[KoyoAli]

‘Haris Rauf almost ready for Test debut’ says Misbah

Haris, who has played 11 T20Is and two ODIs for Pakistan, was named to the Test squad for the first time and chief selector Mohammad Wasim rated him as ‘X-factor’.

“Haris is bowling really well. He has been bowling 13-14 overs with the new and old ball. He is getting ready and almost there. If required, we will look to him,” Misbah said in a virtual presser from Pindi Cricket Stadium.

Meanwhile, Misbah is ready to make a bold decision if conditions allow them to choose one spinner from Yasir Shah and Nauman Ali, performers of first Karachi Test.

“We will make the decision of playing XI closer to the match. It’s not necessary to play a bowler if conditions are not helping him. We are ready to add a pacer if condition allows us,” he added.

Misbah was impressed with the way the home side played the first Test and end up winning it.

“It was a much-needed win. The best part was that the team fought and came back from a difficult situation. The team is looking forward to the next task as South Africa will bounce back after the defeat,” he maintained.

Note, Pakistan defeated South Africa by seven wickets at National Stadium. Both team reached Islamabad yesterday and took part in first training session at Pindi stadium. The second Test starts from February 4.

https://arysports.tv/haris-rauf-almost-ready-test-debut-misbah/

 

[redmaverik84]

I hope the management aren't emboldened by watching W Sundar play a FC after 3 years and pick up wickets and score a 50. It doesn't always happen. Moreover one is a spinner and the other a pacer. I hope this doesn't start a trend where T20 specialists are chosen to play Tests.

 

[moghul]

I hope the management aren't emboldened by watching W Sundar play a FC after 3 years and pick up wickets and score a 50. It doesn't always happen. Moreover one is a spinner and the other a pacer. I hope this doesn't start a trend where T20 specialists are chosen to play Tests.

You're right, Sundar came through the system, played club cricket, junior level cricket FC cricket, India under 19, India A and now in Indian test side. He is a spinner and also fitness level in Indian team is much better than Pakistan now.

This gut Harris , played Mohalla cricket and then some T20 cricket and now being considered for , yes, TEST .

I know under Misbah , Pakistan is becoming laughing stock in world cricket, but this is too much to digest for a traditionalist cricket follower like me.

 

[Firebat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Misbah-ul-Haq "Haris Rauf is bowling very well. He’s doing 13 or 14 overs per day as he was in Karachi and he’s also bowling well with the old ball. He’s bowling 3 spells so he’s getting ready and is almost there. He’s developing well and if we need him he’ll be ready" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvSA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvSA</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1356237598960852994?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 1, 2021</a></blockquote>
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[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Misbah's philosophy always is to try to blow opposition away with pace - hence his inclination to take Naseem, Musa to SENA and his insistence on Haris.

Trouble is, Naseem, Musa, Haris are not that skilled with the ball yet and on top of that, they are not really express pace.

Of all the new talent, my inclination is to invest in Hasnain - send him to play abroad in county etc. Play him a few seasons in domestic. I really like him - I think he is faster than all of them and has a thinking brain.

Until then, take Hasan or other domestic performers.

 

[moghul]

Misbah's philosophy always is to try to blow opposition away with pace - hence his inclination to take Naseem, Musa to SENA and his insistence on Haris.

Trouble is, Naseem, Musa, Haris are not that skilled with the ball yet and on top of that, they are not really express pace.

Of all the new talent, my inclination is to invest in Hasnain - send him to play abroad in county etc. Play him a few seasons in domestic. I really like him - I think he is faster than all of them and has a thinking brain.

Until then, take Hasan or other domestic performers.

Agree with you, Hasnain would be good investment, he is the fastest among the new ones, young and tall. Needs more FC games under his belt. In a year or so, in Shaheen and Hasnain Pakistan will have two very good new ball bowlers. Both young, tall and fast.

 

[Golden arm]

For some "unknown reason" Pakistani pacemen lose their pace when they cross mid 20 years of age. Pacemen from other countries peak at average age of 32.

Hasan Ali, Haris, Amir and before that Razzaq and many other did the same, Age fudging is a real problem in Pakistan . I'm sure "17 year old " Naseem will lose his pace at 25 also.

The obvious answer is age fudging.

Gul, Abdur Razaq, azhar Mahmood Mahmood and saeed anwar were supposedly in mid 30s when they retired but they had lost all their steam due to only one reason they had massive age fudging. They were atleast 4 to 5 years old. Not their fault. Just the poor system and culture with no proper ladder for player development

 

[offstump]

Agree with you, Hasnain would be good investment, he is the fastest among the new ones, young and tall. Needs more FC games under his belt. In a year or so, in Shaheen and Hasnain Pakistan will have two very good new ball bowlers. Both young, tall and fast.

Hasnain is not someone I’d consider to be tall. He’s probably at most 5’10.

 

[Ellipsism]

Hasnain is not someone I’d consider to be tall. He’s probably at most 5’10.

He's 6'1 at the very least. Where you getting 5'10 from?

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Hasnain is not someone I’d consider to be tall. He’s probably at most 5’10.

Lol..
He is 6'1- 6'2.

 

[Greenstorm]

He doesn't have the runup to bowl fast consistently.
He needs to sort out his strides, make them longer and more rhythmical.

Is it that easy ?

From my experience, any attempt at making longer final strides demands change in action, and it puts you off during delivery stride.

 

[Omer2002]

Hasnain is perfect but for some reason he hasnt played first class at all and he needs to before he is inducted i think he will be a better investment thank Naseem

 

[Bewal Express]

Agree with you, Hasnain would be good investment, he is the fastest among the new ones, young and tall. Needs more FC games under his belt. In a year or so, in Shaheen and Hasnain Pakistan will have two very good new ball bowlers. Both young, tall and fast.

Fastest on the speed gun but is amongst the slowest ever when it comes to beating someone for pace.

 

[Loralai]

One of the worst selections in recent times. Why not include Hasnain? Or include Arshad, Sameen or Musa in the squad. They at least have the capacity and attitude to improve. Haris Rauf is not an international standard cricketer.

 

[Bewal Express]

One of the worst selections in recent times. Why not include Hasnain? Or include Arshad, Sameen or Musa in the squad. They at least have the capacity and attitude to improve. Haris Rauf is not an international standard cricketer.

Between Hasan and Haris, Haris would offer more of a threat based on what Hasan showed in the 1st test. If M Waseem, Waqar and Misbah are seeing something then i am trusting them. Sooner or later we will see if their instincts were right. None of the bowlers you mentioned are close to being Test bowlers

 

[wajid]

The obvious answer is age fudging.

Gul, Abdur Razaq, azhar Mahmood Mahmood and saeed anwar were supposedly in mid 30s when they retired but they had lost all their steam due to only one reason they had massive age fudging. They were atleast 4 to 5 years old. Not their fault. Just the poor system and culture with no proper ladder for player development

Don’t know about others but I believe saeed was not an age fudger.

 

[moghul]

Don’t know about others but I believe saeed was not an age fudger.

Totally agree with you.

I have been to under 16 and under 19 trials in Lahore those days. Age fudging was easy for the school dropouts or uneducated cricketers but was not easy at all for the players in colleges as they had to show their matriculation certificate with date of birth on that .

Thats why age fudging was less an issue in the previous generation of Pakistani cricketers as most of them went to college , at least .

Saeed Anwar was highly educated, graduated form prestigious NED university in 1989 majoring in computer System Engineering , so he would not and could not commit age fudging .

Razzaq, according to my information has been the undisputed champion in age fudging.

 

[offstump]

Judging from pictures. Here is a pic of Hasnain standing next to Yousuf, I have seen MoYo up close and he is definitely not 6'1

 

[Kingpin786]

Judging from pictures. Here is a pic of Hasnain standing next to Yousuf, I have seen MoYo up close and he is definitely not 6'1

 

[Kingpin786]

Judging from pictures. Here is a pic of Hasnain standing next to Yousuf, I have seen MoYo up close and he is definitely not 6'1

You should at least confirm before posting.This pic was taken in New Zealand and MOYO was not with the squad that toured New Zealand

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

You should at least confirm before posting.This pic was taken in New Zealand and MOYO was not with the squad that toured New Zealand

Dude, yousuf is 5'9. Hasnain is atleast, 3 inches taller than him.
This is not even a discussion. Look at how he compares to Watson, who is 6'0.

 

[Markhor]

We have cheapened the value of test cap to an extent that it's a joke now.

You can't just pick a random player and start playing him in tests just on the basis of "talent" or "pace"
International cricket has prestige and only Pakistan cricket has the audacity to give every tom, dick and harry a go in international cricket.

Guys with single digit FC matches are being selected as birthday gifts. You need to earn the place to get selected for the highest level. Toil hard in domestic cricket(not PSL or t10), play a few seasons of FC cricket systematically ie club cricket to grade 2 to fc, try playing club cricket abroad. That's how cricketers are made.

PSL is destroying whatever chain pathway there is in Pakistan to rise through the ranks.

These talent hunts are picking up street cricketers, bringing them to the public eye through PSL and media campaigning, creating waves to get these street cricketers selected by whatever ways (either through creating false perceptions of having found gems and diamonds or making good connections with the people in charge of national team)

Agreed, this method of selection is an insult to those toiling hard in domestic cricket and an insult to our cricket pathway.

Rauf's runup is too laboured nor has he demonstrated the stamina to bowl long spells. Taking wickets in T20s where batsmen are under pressure to attack and slog their wickets away, and taking wickets in a Test where the art of setting up a batsman is crucial are two completely different things.

Misbah's insane if he thinks bowling 12-13 overs in the nets is at all comparable to bowling 12-13 overs in Test match conditions. It proves nothing when he has played just 3 FC matches.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Agreed, this method of selection is an insult to those toiling hard in domestic cricket and an insult to our cricket pathway.

Rauf's runup is too laboured nor has he demonstrated the stamina to bowl long spells. Taking wickets in T20s where batsmen are under pressure to attack and slog their wickets away, and taking wickets in a Test where the art of setting up a batsman is crucial are two completely different things.

Misbah's insane if he thinks bowling 12-13 overs in the nets is at all comparable to bowling 12-13 overs in Test match conditions. It proves nothing when he has played just 3 FC matches.

The thing is why he has been selected for Tests in the first place. He can't even two balls at the same point together let alone bowl a sustained spell.

 

[imshally81]

He isn't ready for red ball cricket..

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

A very rough around the edges T20 bowler. Like Wahab but worse.

However he's the fastest we have so we have no choice.

 

[Bewal Express]

He isn't ready for red ball cricket..

You have to chose someone, and its obvious the think tank rate him. Hasan Ali looks very average at this level, and as we have seen N Shah et al are also ineffective.

 

[moghul]

A very rough around the edges T20 bowler. Like Wahab but worse.

However he's the fastest we have so we have no choice.

His pace has decreased as he has passed that magic age of 26 , young Hasnain is the fastest bowler in Pakistan.

 

[Kingpin786]

Dude, yousuf is 5'9. Hasnain is atleast, 3 inches taller than him.
This is not even a discussion. Look at how he compares to Watson, who is 6'0.

If you read my post iam saying that the man in the pic with hasnain is not yousuf

 

[Kingpin786]

His pace has decreased as he has passed that magic age of 26 , young Hasnain is the fastest bowler in Pakistan.

you have mentioned this many times that pace of rauf has gone down. Do you know what pace he was bowling in Nz tour or in BBL.The man bowled150kph in Nz and 154 kph in BBL

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

His pace has decreased as he has passed that magic age of 26 , young Hasnain is the fastest bowler in Pakistan.

Lol...you keep outdoing yourself with your cluelessness.
He just hit 154 in Australia and hit 150 kph in New Zealand. If anything, he is in his physical peak right now.
And what is this magic age of 26? Heard that for the first time.

 

[Kingpin786]

Lol...you keep outdoing yourself with your cluelessness.
He just hit 154 in Australia and hit 150 kph in New Zealand. If anything, he is in his physical peak right now.
And what is this magic age of 26? Heard that for the first time.

Dude why are you quoting me ?

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

You should at least confirm before posting.This pic was taken in New Zealand and MOYO was not with the squad that toured New Zealand

Dude why are you quoting me ?

That was by mistake. Nvm

 

[Kingpin786]

That was by mistake. Nvm

no problem

 

[Mamoon]

"We are hoping that Haris Rauf will bring in to red-ball cricket, the same killer instinct that he has shown in white-ball cricket" : Mohammad Wasim

Haris Rauf, The future of Pakistan Test bowling according to the visionary chief selector Mohammad Wasim

 

[Ozeirk]

Haris Rauf, The future of Pakistan Test bowling according to the visionary chief selector Mohammad Wasim

He did mention there is no bowler who can ball at 145+ so he was given as an option for test. Don't think there was much to choose from considering we did not have any express bowlers in domestic. He was rightly not selected for the test matches.

 

[Hasan123]

It's worry if the selector sees him as a test option.

 

[shah_1]

6 wickets haul on a very flat pitch

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[Artaxerxes]

Haris Rauf needs to play a few more four day games.He should bowl 20 overs per day to build up stamina.He will be ready soon.His run up needs tweaking.He slows down before delivering the ball.He has good yorkers at high pace.He can trouble batsmen.

 

[warcry]

i'd rather have him over Abbas.
hate seeing the keeper up to the stumps for the new ball.

 

[ethan hunt]

That was a beautiful spell.
All wicket taking balls delivered at pace.

 

[Rana]

Genuinely the fastest bowler in Pakistan

Needs to be given a go I recon!

 

[James]

Fast bowler Haris Rauf who was making his first Quaid-e-Azam Trophy appearance in the season then rocked the Central Punjab batters with his fearsome pace as he returned his best-ever first-class bowling haul.

The right-armer, fresh from representing Pakistan in the ICC Men’s T20 World Cup and the three-match T20I series against Bangladesh took a liking to the red ball taking six wickets for 41 runs from 15 overs of electrifying pace.