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Is India now destined to be the best Asian team permanently?

Previously, Indian cricket revolved around one to three star batsmen (Gavaskar, Kapil Dev, Ganguly, Dravid) who held the entire team together. Their bowling, by contrast, had little quality to speak of. The main objective of the bowlers was simply to maintain discipline rather than take wickets.

Today, the situation is very different. Almost every Indian cricketer is a star in his own right and capable of taking the opposition apart. Their bowling now complements their batting. Each bowler has the ability to change the course of a game single-handedly.

A big part of this shift is how India began to treat cricket. Thanks to the IPL, instead of relying on a few gifted players to carry the team, they built a proper system around the sport. Fitness standards became stricter, the domestic structure expanded, and player selection became more organized and deliberate. Discipline, which once felt optional, became part of the culture.

Simply put, India is the first Asian country to treat cricket as a fully professional sport and to demand ruthless discipline and performance. This approach has produced a generation of well-polished, exciting, and highly competitive athletes.

Pakistan, by contrast, still treats cricket like an elite club where politicians, fixers, and vested interests influence the sport’s decisions. Mediocrity and nepotism are tolerated and often justified through media campaigns, while mediocre players are elevated into heroes.

Pakistan cricket has become too politicized and compromised to consistently produce professional athletes. There will continue to be moments of hope and false starts, as seen with players like Babar and Shaheen, but these cycles ultimately leave fans more disappointed each time.

Indian players are not necessarily more talented than others, but they are disciplined and driven. As the saying goes, hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard.

Given the rot across almost every sector in the country, Pakistan is decades away from fixing any of these problems. The PSL which was heralded to catapult Pakistan cricket into the 21st century has become a major enabler of the rotten culture plaguing Pakistan cricket.
 
shaz619 said:
The way India are going, they may as well be playing with themselves, it’s already a popular endeavour in India.

During a period of dominance for any team, you ought to lift the sport altogether & take it to new heights, these lot have taken it to new lows, so long their gullible flock are content with the Bollywood drama and define success by it, all good for the sheep.
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The IPL has ensured the financial security of cricketers across the world. Bcci has done its part.

There is no need to cry just because your team lacks the aukaat needed to achieve anything.

You can play the match on Mars with 15 players and you will still lose against us, no other pak or Indian team has ever been as insipid as your current lot. Your people have no talent, maybe its the genetics.

The failure of your team is a result of the failure of your nation( the real one not the adopted one which will throw you out in a couple of years due to crime rate).
 
Azhar Ali : “We have to look at the Pakistan’s bilateral series' we play. We either play against low ranked teams, or high ranked who send their B teams. When we get to world events, then all the teams have their best players playing. We then get badly exposed. Instead of getting easy wins against poor teams”

:kp
 
Devadwal said:
Azhar Ali : “We have to look at the Pakistan’s bilateral series' we play. We either play against low ranked teams, or high ranked who send their B teams. When we get to world events, then all the teams have their best players playing. We then get badly exposed. Instead of getting easy wins against poor teams”

:kp
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True lol THey keep on playing Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Srilanka, then that UAE cup for whatever reason lol I won't want even under-19 to play that cup. I would rather prefer under-19 team playing youth tests in Australia.
 
No team remains unbeatable because star players retirement or serious loss of form can derail team's balance. It has happened to every team. But when a good system in place quality replacement can come quickly.
 
Yes...just like how England are destined to be the best European team permanently..

There's just as much gap between India and the other Asian teams as there is between England and Ireland/Scotland/Netherlands.
 
Nothing is permanent in life or in sport. 25 years ago , I thought Pakistan would always dominate cricket and be a Top 3 side, especially in white ball, with only Australia and South Africa capable of beating them regularly.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
The IPL has ensured the financial security of cricketers across the world. Bcci has done its part.

There is no need to cry just because your team lacks the aukaat needed to achieve anything.

You can play the match on Mars with 15 players and you will still lose against us, no other pak or Indian team has ever been as insipid as your current lot. Your people have no talent, maybe its the genetics.

The failure of your team is a result of the failure of your nation( the real one not the adopted one which will throw you out in a couple of years due to crime rate).
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This is a Cricket Forum man, mentioning genetics here is extremely stupid considering the high levels of genetic disorders and congenital conditions that are rampant in India compared to many countries and it is not even related to cousin marriages which is the biggest issue in Pakistan.
 
GudduBadmash said:
This is a Cricket Forum man, mentioning genetics here is extremely stupid considering the high levels of genetic disorders and congenital conditions that are rampant in India compared to many countries and it is not even related to cousin marriages which is the biggest issue in Pakistan.
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I think it was tongue is cheek. Clowns like Shaz are notorious for bringing up the so called genetic superiority as an argument for Pakistan's "talunt"... Which is now down in the toilet.

And now that it's their face getting slapped with eggs...he's throwing a sissy fit. Absolutely hilarious...🤣
 
Mesozoic said:
I think it was tongue is cheek. Clowns like Shaz are notorious for bringing up the so called genetic superiority as an argument for Pakistan's "talunt"... Which is now down in the toilet.

And now that it's their face getting slapped with eggs...he's throwing a sissy fit. Absolutely hilarious...🤣
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Fair enough, makes sense
 
Mesozoic said:
Fun fact : India has won as many ICC titles in the last 20 months as Pakistan have done in their entire history.

Cop that .. :yk
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What is this cowardly argument? We have spanked you 88 times. Every time India have stepped on the field against us, we have destroyed you more often than not. Generational trauma.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
What is this cowardly argument? We have spanked you 88 times. Every time India have stepped on the field against us, we have destroyed you more often than not. Generational trauma.
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Ahh yes "generational trauma"

I still can't get over the traumatic defeat we faced in the prestigious coca cola cup of 1995 at the prestigious home of cricket - Sharjah. Spanking Pakistan 15 times in World tournaments and winning 4 world cups since then does not make up for that defeat in that marquee tournament.

If only we can exchange our World Cup record and ICC titles for the prestige of the glorious Coca cola Pepsi cups.. 😢
 
Savak said:
I just don't see how countries like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh or Afghanistan can really compete with India given that these countries do not have the financial means/resources to create India's cricketing eco system where every Indian domestic player can live a very comfortable life just from playing cricket alone for his state team even if he never ever gets to play for India or Indian national team players where they get dropped or are no longer competitive vs other competing players can still enjoy $1 to $1.5 million paydays from the IPL where they are comfortably set for life even if they don't ever play for India again.

Maybe the Asia Cup should be segregated where India should not be a part of the Asia Cup anymore and the other Asia Cup sides can compete against each other and the winner of the Asia Cup gets to play against India in a best of 3-5 finals.

Forget about Asian teams, even teams like Australia, England, South Africa, New Zealand will not be able to consistently compete with India's never ending supply of talent. New Zealand has enjoyed its golden generation for the last 12-14 years but once they lose 5-8 players, can we confidently say they have ready replacements? Australia's performance in this T-20 World Cup should have been a warning sign for them about life after Starc, Hazelwood, Cummins.
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In 90s Pakistan team was very talented at that PCB was not rich like BCCI.... real fault lies in selection process
 
shaz619 said:
The way India are going, they may as well be playing with themselves, it’s already a popular endeavour in India.

During a period of dominance for any team, you ought to lift the sport altogether & take it to new heights, these lot have taken it to new lows, so long their gullible flock are content with the Bollywood drama and define success by it, all good for the sheep.
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Again.

Bcci is perfectly fine playing bilateral cricket with other nations. There's a fixed policy with playing cricket with Pakistan. I don't agree with the policy btw. Either play Pakistan like a normal team or don't engage them at all. Playing them at World cups to maximize revenue is something I'll never agree with.

As to why this policy in place , we need to look at how the relations between both countries are.
 
shaz619 said:
The way India are going, they may as well be playing with themselves, it’s already a popular endeavour in India.

During a period of dominance for any team, you ought to lift the sport altogether & take it to new heights, these lot have taken it to new lows, so long their gullible flock are content with the Bollywood drama and define success by it, all good for the sheep.
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And in context of the recent spate of victories that Indian teams across formats, genders and age have achieved - what you have posted is supremely indicative of the green smoke and reflective of your signature below your posts :)
 
shah9425 said:
This lead will be vanished soon
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Need 5-6 more year as we hardly play against each other.

Next in 2027 World Cup , then 2028 World T20, Champion Trophy 2029 .

Asia cup won't happen atleast for the next 4-5 years due to recent developments .

:kp.
 
Devadwal said:
Need 5-6 more year as we hardly play against each other.

Next in 2027 World Cup , then 2028 World T20, Champion Trophy 2029 .

Asia cup won't happen atleast for the next 4-5 years due to recent developments .

:kp.
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Asia cup will happen

Don't see it getting postponed
 
Yes, Pakistan is light years behind them in almost every facet

Batting
Bowling
Fielding
Quality
Ability
Talent
Professionalism
Fitness
Mentality
Education
Focus
Infrastructure



Afghanistan, Srilanka and Bangladesh are no match for them either and never will be.

India is here to dominate for many years to come.
 
Truth is bitter but Ind will be the best Asian team by a distance for the foreseeable future. Just because of the systems and structures in place. And Ban will the worst, that wont change either..
 
harshjoshi87 said:
India didn't have Bumrah for most of the bilateral series, still India won 58 out of 67 matches in last 2 ½ years.

Spinners had a hard time in this WC, they will take over once Bumrah decides to move away.
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I did not mean when Bumrah moves away , I mean if he is injured or rested .

If Bumrah does not play , it does make a difference. He is once in a generation bowler.
 
India should be targeting to become best ever in cricket’s history.

Asia has mediocre teams barring India and in these foreseeable future I don’t see how teams like Pakistan, SL, Afg can even remotely match Indian excellence
 
Devadwal said:
Azhar Ali : “We have to look at the Pakistan’s bilateral series' we play. We either play against low ranked teams, or high ranked who send their B teams. When we get to world events, then all the teams have their best players playing. We then get badly exposed. Instead of getting easy wins against poor teams”

:kp
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The problem is not bilateral series....... beat full strength Aus, SA and zim before ct25 and we all knew what happen in CT25 with players changed and in form players get injured...... and by the way Azhar Ali Sahb Pakistan is playing ODI bilateral series with Bamgladesh after 11 years and in between countless series with SENA countries....... instead of improving cricket...just giving excuses........ England and Aistralia is still inviting Pakistan more than SA and NZ.... Pakistan gonna tour England for 3 tests in 2026 and then for 5 tests in 2028...... I dint knew how much more cricket they want....just excuses to save zimbu ass
 
They are currently best team under flat deck conditions. Even their women won world cup by chasing a mammoth total against Aus-W. However, I could also see that they got battered as soon as they stepped into pace, swing, and bounce of Australian conditions.
 
BDfanforever said:
They are currently best team under flat deck conditions. Even their women won world cup by chasing a mammoth total against Aus-W. However, I could also see that they got battered as soon as they stepped into pace, swing, and bounce of Australian conditions.
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The only Asian team to win not just 1, but 2 Test series in Australia. The true format of the game.
 
BDfanforever said:
They are currently best team under flat deck conditions. Even their women won world cup by chasing a mammoth total against Aus-W. However, I could also see that they got battered as soon as they stepped into pace, swing, and bounce of Australian conditions.
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How about Austlraia getting battered by INdia in India in Test lol Stop whining man. India won 2 back to back test series in Australia. would have drawn 3rd one but for Bumrah's injury. If anything SENA teams are the biggest FTBs lol That is why Australia got their ass kicked by zimbabwe and srilanka.

In India 2011 INdia was teh table topper of the group
In Australia 2015 India was the table topper of their group
In England 2019 INdia was the table topper when we reached semi final
In India 2023 india was the table topper


CT

2013 ENgland winner
2017 England Runner
2025 UAE winner

India is the most versatile all condition team for the last 15 years. Do some basic research dude. Australia got their ass kicked out couldn't even reach semi final in their own conditions in 2022.
 
hur rizvi said:
India should be targeting to become best ever in cricket’s history.

Asia has mediocre teams barring India and in these foreseeable future I don’t see how teams like Pakistan, SL, Afg can even remotely match Indian excellence
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Can't be the best ever unless they win a World Cup in Australia or England.
 
Nothing is permanent.... Every rise has a fall.... India is at the top of the ladder in white ball atm.. no one is catching them atm that is for sure.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Nothing is permanent.... Every rise has a fall.... India is at the top of the ladder in white ball atm.. no one is catching them atm that is for sure.
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The rise will be stable for a while not because India will keep on churning out talents. Theyw ill given the incentives they get. But if your competitiors are blind you just need one eye. They don't have to be perfect. SA, England, NZ have good talent in pipeline. Australia so far signs are alarming. Not much coming through. Among the current Australian team not many Australians could find a spot in Indian set up. May be Travis Head and Hazlewood. Zampa outside chance. That's it.One of the biggest advantage that India has is T20 unit is a completely different unit. Abhishek, Sanju, SKY, Tilak, Kishan they are not part of ODI/Test set up as of now. That is a different set of players. So they won't have to worry about switching between formats.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
The rise will be stable for a while not because India will keep on churning out talents. Theyw ill given the incentives they get. But if your competitiors are blind you just need one eye. They don't have to be perfect. SA, England, NZ have good talent in pipeline. Australia so far signs are alarming. Not much coming through. Among the current Australian team not many Australians could find a spot in Indian set up. May be Travis Head and Hazlewood. Zampa outside chance. That's it.One of the biggest advantage that India has is T20 unit is a completely different unit. Abhishek, Sanju, SKY, Tilak, Kishan they are not part of ODI/Test set up as of now. That is a different set of players. So they won't have to worry about switching between formats.
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Of all the teams, I am honestly very impressed by SA - they were losing players to England till recently, but have some good players coming in now.

Looks like the popular SA T20 league there is infusing some enthusiasm & more importantly, money & stability into their setup now.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Nothing is permanent in life or in sport. 25 years ago , I thought Pakistan would always dominate cricket and be a Top 3 side, especially in white ball, with only Australia and South Africa capable of beating them regularly.
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PCT overall hasn’t recovered after 1999 final.. that tournament while being at their peak they still managed to lose to their neighbors and absolutely bottled it in the final.

They never reached that peak..
 
Mockingbird said:
Of all the teams, I am honestly very impressed by SA - they were losing players to England till recently, but have some good players coming in now.

Looks like the popular SA T20 league there is infusing some enthusiasm & more importantly, money & stability into their setup now.
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Yes they are good to watch, plus i always loved to see games in SA something about those grounds is awesome since 1990s
 
JaDed said:
PCT overall hasn’t recovered after 1999 final.. that tournament while being at their peak they still managed to lose to their neighbors and absolutely bottled it in the final.

They never reached that peak..
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They stopped being an elite ODI side sometime in 2002.

They have been good in patches ever since. But 1999-2002 Pakistan was the last time they were consistently a Top3 side.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
They stopped being an elite ODI side sometime in 2002.

They have been good in patches ever since. But 1999-2002 Pakistan was the last time they were consistently a Top3 side.
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Top 3 side that was struggling to win games against Australia in the C&U Series in 1999-00?

We were only a top side under Imran Khan, have always been an inconsistent side since his departure.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Top 3 side that was struggling to win games against Australia in the C&U Series in 1999-00?

We were only a top side under Imran Khan, have always been an inconsistent side since his departure.
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I said Top 3 side. Australia and South Africa used to cane Pakistan even back then.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
I said Top 3 side. Australia and South Africa used to cane Pakistan even back then.
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Exactly, we used to beat mediocre sides which we are doing now aswell.

Just the number of top teams in world cricket has increased due to cricket becoming more professional.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Exactly, we used to beat mediocre sides which we are doing now aswell.

Just the number of top teams in world cricket has increased due to cricket becoming more professional.
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Yeah OK but it's all relative anyway. Regardless of whether PAK has declined or whether IND, NZ and ENG have improved massively , the effect has been the same
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Yeah OK but it's all relative anyway. Regardless of whether PAK has declined or whether IND, NZ and ENG have improved massively , the effect has been the same
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Both are true, India, New Zealand and England have improved a lot while there is a decline in quality in our cricket.

The processes have remained archaic while not many middle-class kids play this sport now in Pakistan. This is also a huge reason most of these kids have extremely poor game awareness at any level they play.
 
shah9425 said:
We are not even winning against them in premium formats mate
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Last big match in ODI we smashed them by 180 runs, we are 73-58 or something ridiculous against them in ODIs. Won't even mention tests as we have not played for almost 20 years but we whipped them a new one when we did. Stop trying to be neutral to get brownie points from Devdawal and Sachin fan.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Last big match in ODI we smashed them by 180 runs, we are 73-58 or something ridiculous against them in ODIs. Won't even mention tests as we have not played for almost 20 years but we whipped them a new one when we did. Stop trying to be neutral to get brownie points from Devdawal and Sachin fan.
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Pakistan hasn't beaten india in odi since 2017. .. it has been 9 year. .

Since 2017 india vs Pakistan in odi

1-2) India Humiliated Pakistan twice with in a week in Asia cup 2018 .
3) india thrashed Pakistan in 2019 ODI World Cup
4) india smashed Pakistan in 2023 Aisa cup by 228 runs. . Pakistan hasn't recovered from that Phainta yet.
5) India had defeated the Pakistan team badly in the 2023 World Cup in the world's largest stadium.

This is your team Aaukat infront of team india. .. You were, are and will remain Minnow infornt of mighty team india.

:shh :kp
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
That is what Inds are hoping but it will never happen. It is close now only because of hickey mouse t20. We kept smashing them in the premium formats.
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When did Pak defeat us in ODI & Tests? We don’t even play tests with you & the last time we played ODIs in Champions Trophy we all know what happened.

Plus it is so very ironic to conveniently call T20 a Mickey Mouse format when your handle is ‘RizwanT20champ’ 😂😂😂
 
Mockingbird said:
When did Pak defeat us in ODI & Tests? We don’t even play tests with you & the last time we played ODIs in Champions Trophy we all know what happened.

Plus it is so very ironic to conveniently call T20 a Mickey Mouse format when your handle is ‘RizwanT20champ’ 😂😂😂
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What does handle have to do with anything? Hindvatas are so dense not going to lie. Your handle is Mocking bird so should I assume you come from a family of birds?
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
What does handle have to do with anything? Hindvatas are so dense not going to lie. Your handle is Mocking bird so should I assume you come from a family of birds?
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Well, you are celebrating Rizwan for being a t20 champ (whatever!) & calling out India for winning back to back world cups? Funny guy

Also, yes I am a proud bird - a Hokiebird (you probably won’t get the ref - but that’s the mascot of my Alma mater - Virginia Tech). Go Hokies!
 
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