Is India the mentally strongest team vs Pakistan the mentally weakest in cricket?

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One way to judge a team’s mental strength is by how they claw their way back into games from seemingly impossible positions. Recently, India has shown exceptional resilience under pressure, while Pakistan has choked under little pressure.

India's Mental Toughness: A Testament to Resilience

India's recent performances demonstrate a remarkable ability to fight back from challenging situations:

Chennai Test vs. Bangladesh: From a precarious 4/96, India not only recovered but dominated, eventually securing a comprehensive 280-run victory.

T20 World Cup 2024 Final vs. South Africa: With South Africa needing only 30 runs from 30 balls with 6 wickets in hand, India held their nerve and clinched the title.

T20I vs. Pakistan: Defending a seemingly low total of 159, India showcased incredible composure, restricting Pakistan to just 158 despite them having 8 wickets in hand with 40 runs required from 40 balls.

These instances highlight India's ability to maintain focus and execute under immense pressure, making them a formidable opponent.

Pakistan's Mental Fragility: Choking Under Pressure

In contrast, Pakistan has shown a tendency to falter when the pressure mounts:

Test vs. Bangladesh: Despite declaring at a commanding total of nearly 500, Pakistan lost by a humiliating 10 wickets, demonstrating a lack of mental fortitude in the second innings.

T20 World Cup 2022 vs. India: Pakistan, despite having the match seemingly within their grasp, choked under pressure and lost to India.

These instances reveal a recurring pattern of Pakistan struggling to finish games, particularly when victory is within reach.

Other Contenders for Mental Strength:

Australia's Resurgence:
Australia, too, has demonstrated remarkable mental fortitude, particularly in the recently concluded ICC Men's World Cup 2023.

After a near-elimination during the group stages, Australia rallied to win the tournament, showcasing incredible resilience and adaptability. Their victory over India in the final, in front of a hostile 130,000-strong crowd, further underlines their mental toughness.

India vs. Australia: A Battle of Titans

The upcoming Test series between India and Australia will be a fascinating test of mental fortitude. Both teams possess a strong fighting spirit and the ability to claw their way back into games. This series is likely to reveal which team truly possesses the edge in mental resilience.

Real Question:

How does Pakistan overcome choking?
 
Don’t fall for the trap brother. Transitioning and rough patches are part of life. We find ourselves on the different levels in that process but the talent and love for the game that exists in Pakistan will ensure the team is back on its feet soon and starts contending for title in the nearest future. Best thing about cricket is that the competition isn’t there as much so little bit of improvements, few good matches and boom you’re in a semi final.

But important thing is that corrective measures must be taken and tou must commit yourselves to a plan. Too much instability in Pakistan cricket has been catastrophic for you guys.


Regarding Bharat, you must realise that we had a decade of heart breaks and some that could have given us a heart attack.
 
Yes I agree with bhaijaan, Pakistan were finalists in Asia Cup 2022 as well as in T20 World Cup 2022. They played the semi final in T20 World Cup 2021 as well.

Pakistan needs to leave out the politicians from the team who are only there to make money & nothing else & bring in the performers.

I don't understand why was Mohd. Haris was sidelined after T20 World Cup 2022 as well as the batsman who hit a century against India Emerging team last year. He wasn't picked in any Pakistani team. Babar & other politicians in the team including Shaheen should be shown the door.
 
Lol no, India loses its mental toughness in finals, and are lucky to have God send bumrah who's virtually the only bowler who can hold his nerve.

If they faced Australia they'd have lost before bumrah came back on.

Pakistan is mentally weak and have also losses finals but that's because their a weak team that miraculously made it and that luck was eventually going to run out.

India on the other hand loses the plot, especially rohit.

Kohli and bumrah are the only 2 who don't lose the plot but even kohli is always a 30% chance he'll perform and if he does the innings as a whole will be medicore and nothing special.
 
Lol no, India loses its mental toughness in finals, and are lucky to have God send bumrah who's virtually the only bowler who can hold his nerve.

If they faced Australia they'd have lost before bumrah came back on.

Pakistan is mentally weak and have also losses finals but that's because their a weak team that miraculously made it and that luck was eventually going to run out.

India on the other hand loses the plot, especially rohit.

Kohli and bumrah are the only 2 who don't lose the plot but even kohli is always a 30% chance he'll perform and if he does the innings as a whole will be medicore and nothing special.
Its only against Australia somehow they falter in the finals, they beat other teams in crunch matches easily. South Africa in T20 World Cup final recently, Sri Lanka in last year's Asia Cup final.

India have been able to beat Australia in pre-final matches even in Australia's strongest era in the mid 90's until 2007. It's somehow in finals, they lose the plot.

India beat Australia in 1998 ICC Knockout q/f
India beat Australia in 2000 ICC Knockout q/f
India beat Australia in 2007 T20 WC s/f
India beat Australia in 2008 CB Series finals
India beat Australia in 2016 T20 WC Super 8's(more or less q/f for both teams)

& recently defeated Australia in 2024 T20 WC Super 8's.

With Rishabh Pant(Australian nemesis) absent last year, Australia won the 2 finals.
 
Missed the 2011 ODI World Cup q/f as well. Another example of India defeating Australia in knockout match which isn't a final.

I hope India play Australia once again in the WTC 2025 final & put one across them to balance out the final results.
 
Its only against Australia somehow they falter in the finals, they beat other teams in crunch matches easily. South Africa in T20 World Cup final recently, Sri Lanka in last year's Asia Cup final.

India have been able to beat Australia in pre-final matches even in Australia's strongest era in the mid 90's until 2007. It's somehow in finals, they lose the plot.

India beat Australia in 1998 ICC Knockout q/f
India beat Australia in 2000 ICC Knockout q/f
India beat Australia in 2007 T20 WC s/f
India beat Australia in 2008 CB Series finals
India beat Australia in 2016 T20 WC Super 8's(more or less q/f for both teams)

& recently defeated Australia in 2024 T20 WC Super 8's.

With Rishabh Pant(Australian nemesis) absent last year, Australia won the 2 finals.

good post .. pretty sure we beat them in 1983 WC and also the 1985 B&H World Championship where the tracer bullet was the MoM :ROFLMAO:
 
Australia and India have been the strongest teams for the last 15 years or so by far.
Aus edge out India in ICC finals while India has been spanking them in bilateral series. True closest rivalry in cricket left.
 
Australia and India have been the strongest teams for the last 15 years or so by far.
Aus edge out India in ICC finals while India has been spanking them in bilateral series. True closest rivalry in cricket left.
True India has been top 3 across formats for a very long time now, but no care for JAMODIS. Aus for sure not. They are and remain the No 1 team. So many WCs for a reason. India has done really well, there is basically only one sport in Pakistan and India. For Pak not even able to win games at home, shows how bad the team is. India is great in TESTS at home, home record of India in tests is indeed truly amazing.
 
True India has been top 3 across formats for a very long time now, but no care for JAMODIS. Aus for sure not. They are and remain the No 1 team. So many WCs for a reason. India has done really well, there is basically only one sport in Pakistan and India. For Pak not even able to win games at home, shows how bad the team is. India is great in TESTS at home, home record of India in tests is indeed truly amazing.
I think India is rising in other sports too. and in ICC tournaments India is only 2nd to Australia in number of titles.
In the 21st century: Australia has 8 titles and India has 5. While H2H India and Australia are pretty close throughout all over and India has been improving in the last 10 years.
 
Its only against Australia somehow they falter in the finals, they beat other teams in crunch matches easily. South Africa in T20 World Cup final recently, Sri Lanka in last year's Asia Cup final.

India have been able to beat Australia in pre-final matches even in Australia's strongest era in the mid 90's until 2007. It's somehow in finals, they lose the plot.

India beat Australia in 1998 ICC Knockout q/f
India beat Australia in 2000 ICC Knockout q/f
India beat Australia in 2007 T20 WC s/f
India beat Australia in 2008 CB Series finals
India beat Australia in 2016 T20 WC Super 8's(more or less q/f for both teams)

& recently defeated Australia in 2024 T20 WC Super 8's.

With Rishabh Pant(Australian nemesis) absent last year, Australia won the 2 finals.
No rishab
No jaiswal
No bumrah

Vs aus in 2023 wtc final.
That too in England post ipl
With no prep or rest.

Aus were prepared In advance.
 
True India has been top 3 across formats for a very long time now, but no care for JAMODIS. Aus for sure not. They are and remain the No 1 team. So many WCs for a reason. India has done really well, there is basically only one sport in Pakistan and India. For Pak not even able to win games at home, shows how bad the team is. India is great in TESTS at home, home record of India in tests is indeed truly amazing.
India do well in hockey where they knocked aus out in olympics.

Also in wrestling, badminton etc.
 
No rishab
No jaiswal
No bumrah

Vs aus in 2023 wtc final.
That too in England post ipl
With no prep or rest.

Aus were prepared In advance.
We are never winning WTC the way it is scheduled just after IPL and that too in England as a single test.
 
Its only against Australia somehow they falter in the finals, they beat other teams in crunch matches easily. South Africa in T20 World Cup final recently, Sri Lanka in last year's Asia Cup final.

India have been able to beat Australia in pre-final matches even in Australia's strongest era in the mid 90's until 2007. It's somehow in finals, they lose the plot.

India beat Australia in 1998 ICC Knockout q/f
India beat Australia in 2000 ICC Knockout q/f
India beat Australia in 2007 T20 WC s/f
India beat Australia in 2008 CB Series finals
India beat Australia in 2016 T20 WC Super 8's(more or less q/f for both teams)

& recently defeated Australia in 2024 T20 WC Super 8's.

With Rishabh Pant(Australian nemesis) absent last year, Australia won the 2 finals.
I'm talking about since 2013 in icc tournaments, Asia Cup is not an icc event.

2014, 2016, 2017, 2019, 2021, 2022, 2023

^^ They crashed out in spectacular fashion and eith the exception of West indies, every other time they lost via massive butchering.
 
Pakistan's struggles go beyond mental weakness. They lack professionalism in their approach. Unlike Indian players, who engage in cricket throughout the year,domestically and internationally

Pakistan's system has failed to groom them professionally, alongside developing their skills.
 
India has done really well, there is basically only one sport in Pakistan and India.
Now a days lots of sports are garnering interest.Due to social media, each and every one is promoting themselves heavily and making their own impression. In 10 years, definitely cricket stars will be on same level as Olympians.
 
India are FAR from the mentally toughest team out there, I rate New Zealand highest on that scale. AUS are always talked up but they also have been among the most talented so that colors my perception.

India however are normally tougher than Pakistan, have always been. Pakistan are a momentum team who ride high when they get on a hot streak. But wilt spectacularly when they meet the slightest resistance. Which is exactly why the cornered tigers moniker is misplaced. They rarely fight back when the heat is on. 9 out of the 10 times, they bend over and surrender.
 
India is not that strong mentally. Its just that Pakistanis are mentally chickens.

even in the 90s when Pakistan had the upper hand over India - they had this tendency to bottle big games like 1996 WC QF & the Super Six 1999 game

There is another game I remember from 1997. It was in Hyderabad ( Pakistan). Pakistan set India a very stiff target of 266 and looked all set to win. India needed 10 of the last over with tailender Rajesh Chauhan on strike. Guess what. Saqlain Mushtaq did a Nawaz - bowled a juicy full toss which Rajesh Chauhan whacked for a 6 and led India to win

6 months later Saqlain did the same thing. India was chasing 316 in Dhaka. That kidn of target was never chased before in ODI cricket till that point. India was 7 wickets down. Hrishikesh Kanitkar was on strike. Sqlain bolwed a nice flighted half volley - right in the zone. Kanitkar whacked it for 4 at it & won the match

Good that there was no social media in those days - else Saqlain wud have got trolled like NAwaz & Haris Rauf
 
India are FAR from the mentally toughest team out there, I rate New Zealand highest on that scale. AUS are always talked up but they also have been among the most talented so that colors my perception.

India however are normally tougher than Pakistan, have always been. Pakistan are a momentum team who ride high when they get on a hot streak. But wilt spectacularly when they meet the slightest resistance. Which is exactly why the cornered tigers moniker is misplaced. They rarely fight back when the heat is on. 9 out of the 10 times, they bend over and surrender.
Yes nobody comes close to Australia in mental toughness. They play in beast mode in big games !
 
India do well in hockey where they knocked aus out in olympics.

Also in wrestling, badminton etc.
No comparison with Australia in sports. They are in different league altogether

We are starting to do well in other sports
 
India are FAR from the mentally toughest team out there, I rate New Zealand highest on that scale. AUS are always talked up but they also have been among the most talented so that colors my perception.

India however are normally tougher than Pakistan, have always been. Pakistan are a momentum team who ride high when they get on a hot streak. But wilt spectacularly when they meet the slightest resistance. Which is exactly why the cornered tigers moniker is misplaced. They rarely fight back when the heat is on. 9 out of the 10 times, they bend over and surrender.
NZ melt when they are under pressure though. If their bowlers are attacked upfront, they usually fall apart and they don't come back.

I think SL are very underrated in terms of mentally tough sides.
 
Australia is mentally strong team .

If you just compared with Pakistan then india is more stronger .
 
I think India are mentally stronger than Australian

There is no pressure on Australia. If they lose a match the public will forget in the next day the only one who will remember it is in Indian trolls online.

Indians on the other hand are under tremendous pressure.

If Steve Smith fails to score people will shrug their shoulders. If Kohli feels people blame his wife his kids where he lives and he will have to double down on security.

It is hard to operate in the social media age under the expectation of 1 billion entitled people who think they own a piece of you.
 
India's problem is always balance. Mental schmental all these things go out of the window if you have a balanced side iwth able leadership. India for the last 7 or 8 years built a side that relied on perfect games Basically India carried 4 tailenders. 1 semi all rounder who goes missing half the time. Another all rounder who gets injured midway through. So essentially 5 batsmen. 5 bowlers. If they fail in one department that's it. This one-dimensional nature of Indian side did not allow them to handle crisis situations. In 2024 world T20 for the first time had a line up that boasted a long batting line up with good mixture of left/right. They absolutely destroyed every team in 2023 world cup. But in T20 world cup their ride was not exactly smooth. Guess what. They won in 2024. Failed in 2023. ONly difference is depth ofcourse exclusion of KL Rahul.

KL Rahul is a unique speciment who is yet to be part of any major event. Never won under-19 world cup, not even reached u19 final, never won IPL, never been part of world T20 win, never been part of world cup win, never been part of CT win, never been part of WTC fin. Once they kicked him out they won :)
 
Australia is mentally strong team .

If you just compared with Pakistan then india is more stronger .
Indian cricketers are mentally the strongest because they deal with expectations of over a billion cricket crazy people.

This is the reason why Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar is the greatest cricketer ever. For almost a decade he carried the team on his own shoulders.
 
TBH in every aspect India is way ahead than Pakistan but yeah that is true that one of the biggest weak point of Pakistan is they cant handle pressure at all that is the reason why they lost most of the games in crunch situation.
 
The mental weakness of the Pakistan team is because of lack of skills.
When as a batter you have no skills you try to slog your way out of tough situations , that is exactly how Pakistan batters play.

As a fast bowler when you no skills you start bowling all kinds of line and lengths.

As spinner when you have limited skills you keep pushing the ball faster and faster instead of flighting.
 
I'm talking about since 2013 in icc tournaments, Asia Cup is not an icc event.

2014, 2016, 2017, 2019, 2021, 2022, 2023

^^ They crashed out in spectacular fashion and eith the exception of West indies, every other time they lost via massive butchering.
Except for the 2017 final v Pakistan, India haven't had heavy losses. All were close contests with our chokers choking in key moments.

2017 CT final, a lot of people including Kohli wanted them coach Kumble out of the Indian team, decided to underperform. Kumble was sidelined after the final, which Kohli & his teammates wanted.
 
India is not that strong mentally. Its just that Pakistanis are mentally chickens.

even in the 90s when Pakistan had the upper hand over India - they had this tendency to bottle big games like 1996 WC QF & the Super Six 1999 game

There is another game I remember from 1997. It was in Hyderabad ( Pakistan). Pakistan set India a very stiff target of 266 and looked all set to win. India needed 10 of the last over with tailender Rajesh Chauhan on strike. Guess what. Saqlain Mushtaq did a Nawaz - bowled a juicy full toss which Rajesh Chauhan whacked for a 6 and led India to win

6 months later Saqlain did the same thing. India was chasing 316 in Dhaka. That kidn of target was never chased before in ODI cricket till that point. India was 7 wickets down. Hrishikesh Kanitkar was on strike. Sqlain bolwed a nice flighted half volley - right in the zone. Kanitkar whacked it for 4 at it & won the match

Good that there was no social media in those days - else Saqlain wud have got trolled like NAwaz & Haris Rauf

That was not at Hyderabad it was at National Stadium in Karachi.

India had travelled to Pakistan after beating them in Toronto 4-1.
 
No rishab
No jaiswal
No bumrah

Vs aus in 2023 wtc final.
That too in England post ipl
With no prep or rest.

Aus were prepared In advance.
Even Rahul & Iyer.

Ashwin wasn't played a huge mistake on part of Rohit & Dravid.
 
Australia and India have been the strongest teams for the last 15 years or so by far.
Aus edge out India in ICC finals while India has been spanking them in bilateral series. True closest rivalry in cricket left.
True story.

But we need to win one final against them to even out the finals jinx.
 
Not sure about mentally strongest but only India can wear 36 AO as a badge of honour, post Adelaide, we battered Roos at MCG, punch drunk them at SCG and finally feasted on them at the place they thought was their fortress and Gabbatoir saw a strange scene ..

Slaughter of the Roos

Not many teams can lay claim to that...
 
India is a mentally shot team and nothing more then glorified Aussie bunnies in finals.

SA is weakest team mentally due to losing games from won positions.

In terms of mental strength it goes as follows

Note: This is about mental strength, not team strength, outplaying vs Choking are 2 separate things.

1) Australia (no other team can win from 6% like they did vs Afghanistan, nor could any team have beaten pakistan from the position that were in 2010 and 2021)

2) New Zealand (they never lose their cool when onsong, To beat them you have to outplay em which is what Australia, India and England usually do, the reason they made it far in 2019 despite being weak was due to mental resolve, hot extremely unlucky in 2019 and frankly it shpuld have been another SO or draw, But regardless they'll never lose games from already won positions)

3) England (Very mentally strong, again to beat them you have to outplay them, You can't beat them from won positions)

4) West Indies (Again people will disagree, but to beat them you need to outplay them, however De villers and a few other teams have mentally shot them down on occasion which is why their ranked low)

5) Sri Lanka (In the past they'd be ranked higher, however even so, unless your India, they don't really get scared or shot down, You need to outplay them to win, they don't really choke)

6) Afghanistan (Only India Mentally shoots them, otherwise they also fight with a never back down mentality, However their ranked here cause they brainfade alot, Maxwell was good but they virtually were bowling garbage to him)

7) India (They brainfade beyond belief in finals, they were lucky to face the one team that chokes even more, kings of choking ong, Rahul played rubbish in the final, Ashwin no balls galore didn't help against wi in 2016, Pakistan was a horror show in 2017, Dhoni and yuvi were hilarious in 2019 and 2014 etc etc, the spinners nearly axed bumrah for 2024, never ending story)

8) Pakistan (Onoy team that loses from winning positions but unlike India where it's only finals, Pakistan loses it 99% of the time)

9) South Africa (Allah Ho akbar)
 
Tbh India is not the mentally strongest team, the fact is their bottling of CWC 2023 finals and last 10 years performances. Pakistan have just fallen from grace in last few years since the arrival of Dosti Yaari culture.
 
Using just ICC final to decide which team chokes the most is ridiculous. What about Test series where even after losing all the major players they came back from 0-1 to win 2-1. Ashwin and Vihari batted 43 overs at the SCG against world clas bowling attack to earn a draw. Then India chased 329 at the Gabba breached the fortress. Where did the mental strength of Australia go then? That was the decider. Don't tell only ICC tournament matters in Tests. In Tests series win is 1000 times bigger than this made up one-off Test final. India has shown enough resilience at various stages. Only problem in LOI was poor team combination. Nothing else.
 
India is a mentally shot team and nothing more then glorified Aussie bunnies in finals.

SA is weakest team mentally due to losing games from won positions.

In terms of mental strength it goes as follows

Note: This is about mental strength, not team strength, outplaying vs Choking are 2 separate things.

1) Australia (no other team can win from 6% like they did vs Afghanistan, nor could any team have beaten pakistan from the position that were in 2010 and 2021)

2) New Zealand (they never lose their cool when onsong, To beat them you have to outplay em which is what Australia, India and England usually do, the reason they made it far in 2019 despite being weak was due to mental resolve, hot extremely unlucky in 2019 and frankly it shpuld have been another SO or draw, But regardless they'll never lose games from already won positions)

3) England (Very mentally strong, again to beat them you have to outplay them, You can't beat them from won positions)

4) West Indies (Again people will disagree, but to beat them you need to outplay them, however De villers and a few other teams have mentally shot them down on occasion which is why their ranked low)

5) Sri Lanka (In the past they'd be ranked higher, however even so, unless your India, they don't really get scared or shot down, You need to outplay them to win, they don't really choke)

6) Afghanistan (Only India Mentally shoots them, otherwise they also fight with a never back down mentality, However their ranked here cause they brainfade alot, Maxwell was good but they virtually were bowling garbage to him)

7) India (They brainfade beyond belief in finals, they were lucky to face the one team that chokes even more, kings of choking ong, Rahul played rubbish in the final, Ashwin no balls galore didn't help against wi in 2016, Pakistan was a horror show in 2017, Dhoni and yuvi were hilarious in 2019 and 2014 etc etc, the spinners nearly axed bumrah for 2024, never ending story)

8) Pakistan (Onoy team that loses from winning positions but unlike India where it's only finals, Pakistan loses it 99% of the time)

9) South Africa (Allah Ho akbar)
So the current Best team for almost a decade and having the 2nd best ICC Trophy cabinet is in the bottom tier of mental toughness. Interesting analysis, ChatGPT really needs to improve a lot. :nonstop:
 
So the current Best team for almost a decade and having the 2nd best ICC Trophy cabinet is in the bottom tier of mental toughness. Interesting analysis, ChatGPT really needs to improve a lot. :nonstop:
People who have fail to grasp cricketing nuance will see everything in black and white. On a given day some teams may be better. May be the conditions favored them a tad bit. May be a team lost a player in this case India lost Pandya at a vital period. India could have played Ashwin in place of Siraj. Whole combination would have been different. India winning from 2/3 against AUstralia in the 1st round means they also proved that quality.
 
India is mentally strong against every other team except Australia in ICC event finals. With this newfound snatching victory from defeat’s jaw confidence (twice in this last WC & especially in the finals), they can get over their bogie and defeat Aussies once & for all in a WC final. That will make them truly mentally invincible.
 
India is mentally strong against every other team except Australia in ICC event finals. With this newfound snatching victory from defeat’s jaw confidence (twice in this last WC & especially in the finals), they can get over their bogie and defeat Aussies once & for all in a WC final. That will make them truly mentally invincible.
They still have to get the XI right. Cannot go with 9 one-dimensional cricketers. That is where INdia falters time and again.
 
So the current Best team for almost a decade and having the 2nd best ICC Trophy cabinet is in the bottom tier of mental toughness. Interesting analysis, ChatGPT really needs to improve a lot. :nonstop:
India packs their team with big guns in terms of skill.

I'd like to see them win from a position where their skills are lacking such as Afghanistan or Australia does. They've never been able to, In fact they lose it in finals despite having no rhyme or reason to.
 
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