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Is it harder to be a Muslim in India or a Hindu in Pakistan, or a Hindu in Bangladesh?

Which community is most vulnerable in the Indian subcontinent?


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India unlawfully expels hundreds of Muslims to Bangladesh

After India deported hundreds of people to Bangladesh without trial, as confirmed by officials from both sides, activists and counsels have condemned the new expulsions, saying they are illegal and based on ethnic profiling.

The Indian authorities have said the deported individuals are undocumented migrants.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi's Hindu nationalist government has long maintained a strict stance against immigration, especially from Bangladesh, a country with a majority of Muslim population. Top Indian officials have called these immigrants "termites" and "infiltrators".

It has also sparked fear among India’s estimated 200 million Muslims, especially among speakers of Bengali, a widely spoken language in both eastern India and Bangladesh.

"Muslims, particularly from the eastern part of the country, are terrified," said veteran Indian rights activist Harsh Mander.

"You have thrown millions into this existential fear."

Bangladesh, largely encircled by land by India, has seen relations with New Delhi turn icy since a mass uprising in 2024 toppled Dhaka’s government, a former friend of India.

But India also ramped up operations against migrants after a wider security crackdown in the wake of an attack in the west — the April 22 killing of 26 people, mainly Hindu tourists, in Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu and Kashmir (IIOJK).

New Delhi blamed that attack on Pakistan, claims Islamabad rejected, with arguments culminating in a four-day conflict that left more than 70 dead.

Indian authorities launched an unprecedented countrywide security drive that has seen many thousands detained — and many of them eventually pushed across the border to Bangladesh at gunpoint.

We will shoot you’

Rahima Begum, from India’s eastern Assam state, said police detained her for several days in late May before taking her to the Bangladesh frontier.

She said she and her family had spent their life in India.

"I have lived all my life here — my parents, my grandparents, they are all from here," she said. "I don’t know why they would do this to me."

Indian police took Begum, along with five other people, all Muslims, and forced them into swampland in the dark.

"They showed us a village in the distance and told us to crawl there," she told AFP.

"They said: ‘Do not dare to stand and walk, or we will shoot you.’"

Bangladeshi locals who found the group then handed them to border police who "thrashed" them and ordered they return to India, Begum said.

"As we approached the border, there was firing from the other side," said the 50-year-old.

"We thought: ‘This is the end. We are all going to die.’"

She survived, and, a week after she was first picked up, she was dropped back home in Assam with a warning to keep quiet.

Bengali speaking Muslims being targeted
Rights activists and lawyers criticised India’s drive as "lawless".

"You cannot deport people unless there is a country to accept them," said New Delhi-based civil rights lawyer Sanjay Hegde.

Indian law does not allow for people to be deported without due process, he added.

Bangladesh has said India has pushed more than 1,600 people across its border since May.

Indian media suggests the number could be as high as 2,500.

The Bangladesh Border Guards said it has sent back 100 of those pushed across — because they were Indian citizens.

India has been accused of forcibly deporting Muslim Rohingya refugees from Myanmar, with navy ships dropping them off the coast of the war-torn nation.

Many of those targeted in the campaign are low-wage labourers in states governed by Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), according to rights activists.

Indian authorities did not respond to questions about the number of people detained and deported.

But Assam state’s chief minister has said that more than 300 people have been deported to Bangladesh.

Separately, Gujarat’s police chief said more than 6,500 people have been rounded up in the western state, home to both Modi and interior minister Amit Shah.

Many of those were reported to be Bengali-speaking Indians and later released.

"People of Muslim identity who happen to be Bengali speaking are being targeted as part of an ideological hate campaign," said Mander, the activist.

Nazimuddin Mondal, a 35-year-old mason, said he was picked up by police in the financial hub of Mumbai, flown on a military aircraft to the border state of Tripura and pushed into Bangladesh.

He managed to cross back, and is now back in India’s West Bengal state, where he said he was born.

"The Indian security forces beat us with batons when we insisted we were Indians," said Mondal, adding he is now scared to even go out to seek work.

"I showed them my government-issued ID, but they just would not listen."

Source: https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/1325023-india-unlawfully-expels-hundreds-of-muslims-to-bangladesh

India have become an extremist country. They should be sanctioned.

Maybe Bangladesh should start deporting Indian agents to India also. Cancel their Bangladeshi citizenships for a start. :inti
 
Forget all the local religious groups for a moment, here’s a fun fact, India is home to more Zoroastrians today than Iran, their land of origin.

Zoroastrians who are the original inhabitants of Persia, fled to India centuries ago when they were being persecuted during Islamic conquests. In India, they were never forced to convert. Instead, they found dignity, freedom, and the opportunity to thrive. Today, they are among the most respected and successful communities in India, known for their immense contributions to industry, philanthropy, and culture. The Tata group traces its origins to a Parsi family. Godrej - another giant business family in India - Parsi. Homi Jahangir Baba - Parsi nuclear physicist who is the father of India’s nuclear program. Freddie Mercury from the world famous British band The Queen belonged to an Indian parsi family. Rakesh Jhunjhunwala - The Big Bull of the stock markets in India - a true Indian dream. These are just few prominent examples out of hundreds of stories of Parsis finding a safe haven and a ladder to success in India, of course through their hard work.

Likewise, when China forcefully occupied Tibet, it was India that opened its doors to the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan Buddhist community. The serene town of McLeodganj near Dharamshala now serves as their spiritual and cultural headquarters. India didn’t just shelter them—it gave them the space to preserve their identity.

India’s whole history is full with examples of offering refuge to the persecuted. Even Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu once remarked that the Jews faced persecution everywhere in the worldexcept in India, where they never encountered hostility from the native population.

This is a living testament to India’s civilizational ethos that value coexistence over domination.

On a true global platform no Pakistani or Bangladeshi will ever dare discuss this topic. Any Pakistani attempting to defend their country’s record on minorities would be dismantled by facts, history, and real-life evidence. But in guarded online spaces like these, you’ll still see attempts to whitewash the reality by arguing that Pakistan and Bangladesh have been kinder to their minorities. It’s a tragic irony and frankly a poor joke that only exposes the deep-rooted discrimination embedded in those societies.

If Pakistan is indeed a haven for Hindus, let’s see some examples. Name the grand temples still functioning there. Show us the public Hindu festivals celebrated without fear or restriction. List the number of Hindus who’ve represented Pakistan in international sports. Tell us how many Hindus have held positions of real power—in the military, judiciary, or bureaucracy.

Silence speaks louder than spin.

What’s worse is not the lack of facts—it’s the lack of shame. The denial, the gaslighting, the manufactured narratives… all to avoid facing a hard truth. It’s not just delusion. It’s a deep moral failing when a society can’t even admit what it has done—or continues to do—to its most vulnerable.

If you must defend your nation, start with honesty. Everything else is just noise.
 
Harder to be a Muslim in India definitely.

Whatever incidents happen in Bangladesh or Pakistan are not state-sponsored. Those happen at people level and happen much less compared to what happens in India.

In India, Muslim oppression is state-sponsored (removal of article 370, anti-waqf bill, bulldozing Muslim homes, mosque demolitions etc.).
Ah I see..hence the illegal Muslim immigrants are coming to Bangladesh from India in millions
 
India have become an extremist country. They should be sanctioned.

Maybe Bangladesh should start deporting Indian agents to India also. Cancel their Bangladeshi citizenships for a start. :inti
Absolutely...India is state sponsored targeting of Muslims...yet Muslims of Bangladesh don't want to leave India
 
Both countries are disasters when it comes to minority rights, and let’s be honest, they’re not exactly paradise for their majorities either.

Stop playing the game of “who’s the bigger bigot.” In India, a cow lyncher doesn’t just act, he votes for the people who cheer him on. In Pakistan, a mere accusation of blasphemy is enough to spark a mob with pitchforks.

Both nations are dry tinder, just waiting for a spark, and we all know how fast the body bags pile up once it lights.

So spare us the "who's more humane" debate, you're just comparing different flavors of the same sickness.

But let’s not ignore the elephant in the room, hatred toward Muslims in India runs deep. And Gaza's genocide laid it bare, too many Indians didn’t just stay silent, they cheered it on.
Paksitani victim mentality...

Be a ostrich...forget everything before they get their phainta... Then blame India Israel USA.


Hamas for no reason goes and kills 1000s of Israel...fires missiles and then hides among civilians - Israel retaliates...they are committing genocide.
 
The extremism we are seeing in India in modern times is similar to the extremism that was present in 1930's Germany (Nazi Germany).

Nazi Germany eventually had to be purged completely. Allied forces did exactly that.

Same solution needs to be applied to RSS India. India need to be invaded, annexed, balkanized, and purged. In other words, RSS India need to be completely de-sanghified for the region's stability.

:inti
 
The extremism we are seeing in India in modern times is similar to the extremism that was present in 1930's Germany (Nazi Germany).

Nazi Germany eventually had to be purged completely. Allied forces did exactly that.

Same solution needs to be applied to RSS India. India need to be invaded, annexed, balkanized, and purged. In other words, RSS India need to be completely de-sanghified for the region's stability.

:inti

How many concentration camps ? What is the death toll so far according to you ?

Note: to be clear I am not even asking for any sources to prove that allegation. just based on your perception.
 
Paksitani victim mentality...

Be a ostrich...forget everything before they get their phainta... Then blame India Israel USA.


Hamas for no reason goes and kills 1000s of Israel...fires missiles and then hides among civilians - Israel retaliates...they are committing genocide.

lol

:afridi
 
Paksitani victim mentality...

Be a ostrich...forget everything before they get their phainta... Then blame India Israel USA.


Hamas for no reason goes and kills 1000s of Israel...fires missiles and then hides among civilians - Israel retaliates...they are committing genocide.

Nope this is just a smoke screen for your desire to see as many Palestinians killed merely because most of them are Muslim.

To make matters worse you go out of way to stick your head into the r*** of Israel even though Israelis are deeply racist towards Indians.
 
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Nope this is just a smoke screen for your desire to see as many Palestinians killed merely because most of them are Muslim.

To make matters worse you go out of way to stick your head into the r*** of Israel even though Israelis are deeply racist towards Indians.
Sure abusing me doesn't change the terrorist Muslim mentality of killing people for no reasons and then crying genocide
 
Nope this is just a smoke screen for your desire to see as many Palestinians killed merely because most of them are Muslim.

To make matters worse you go out of way to stick your head into the r*** of Israel even though Israelis are deeply racist towards Indians.
There are racist everywhere...you guys go to China Arab countries and western countries...forget about China and West..even the Arabs consider your second grade Muslims.. some Israelis are racist..many are not...there are same kind of people in India too..
 
Lol still giving you the benefit of doubt, but apparently that structure is located on the backside of this shop as a separate structure. Anyways you can prove us wrong with exact details 👍
Is there no rule to keep an chicken shop atleast 100 meters away from a temple or masjid?in india no alcohol or meat shop is allowed near temples.am sure other holy places too.
 
You sanghis should keep quiet. Look in the mirror first. Restore Babri masjid first. :inti


Also, if a temple has been abandoned, nothing wrong with turning it into a store. :inti
Einstein, on which temple babri
masjid was built? If babar wrote that he razed a temple in babarnama, what is ur objection? Why temple is abandoned? Still the temple is there so preservation of holy place measurements should be there.

P.s u can come and argue in ayodhya thread if u want to use brain than ur normal bigotry.
 
I think I’ve said this before, but these kinds of questions can only really be answered by Pakistani Hindus or Indian Muslims.

Pakistani Muslims can’t speak on behalf of their Hindu minority, and the same applies to Hindus in India.

With that in mind, we should take the opinion of someone like Danish Kaneria, and, say, Irfan Pathan. If we do so, it becomes doodh ka doodh, paani ka paani.

Now, people might say Danish Kaneria is a bad person, he has a vendetta, bla bla bla. Fine. But then whose opinion should we take to decide whether it’s harder to be a Hindu in Pakistan? If you say Irfan Pathan is not the right person, I can give you 10 other names—Zaheer Khan, Yusuf Pathan, Mohammed Kaif, Azharuddin, etc. Which Pakistani Hindu is there to contradict Danish Kaneria?

Even in this forum, I can tag at least 10 Indian Muslim posters for their opinion. But can someone tag a Pakistani Hindu, Christian, or Sikh poster and let me know?

Frankly, these kinds of questions from the OP shouldn’t even be raised. It’s documented that anywhere there is a Muslim majority, minorities and women (of all religions) get limited or no rights. Yet, when in minority, the same population wants democracy and equality. On a forum, anyone can say anything, but facts are facts.
 
Indians shouldn't point fingers at other countries until:

- Article 370 is restored.
- Babri masjid is restored in its original place.
- Arrange referendum in Indian-occupied Kashmir.
- Arrange referendum in Punjab for an independent Khalistan.
- Arrange referendum in Tamil Nadu for an independent Tamil state.
- Criminalize cow vigilantism and prosecute cow vigilante mobs.
- Ensure safety for minorities. Ensure there is no systematic discrimination.

:inti:inti
 
I think I’ve said this before, but these kinds of questions can only really be answered by Pakistani Hindus or Indian Muslims.
I think poster sam_ahm mentioned in this thread that he never faced any discrimination in india on religion basis.our jaychand declined to comment confirming the same.
 
Indians shouldn't point fingers at other countries until:

- Article 370 is restored.
- Babri masjid is restored in its original place.
- Arrange referendum in Indian-occupied Kashmir.
- Arrange referendum in Punjab for an independent Khalistan.
- Arrange referendum in Tamil Nadu for an independent Tamil state.
- Criminalize cow vigilantism and prosecute cow vigilante mobs.
- Ensure safety for minorities. Ensure there is no systematic discrimination.

While you are at it ... perhaps fly the Pakistani flag on Redfort on Aug 15th ? Dil behalane ke liye and all that ....
 
I think I’ve said this before, but these kinds of questions can only really be answered by Pakistani Hindus or Indian Muslims.

Pakistani Muslims can’t speak on behalf of their Hindu minority, and the same applies to Hindus in India.

With that in mind, we should take the opinion of someone like Danish Kaneria, and, say, Irfan Pathan. If we do so, it becomes doodh ka doodh, paani ka paani.

Now, people might say Danish Kaneria is a bad person, he has a vendetta, bla bla bla. Fine. But then whose opinion should we take to decide whether it’s harder to be a Hindu in Pakistan? If you say Irfan Pathan is not the right person, I can give you 10 other names—Zaheer Khan, Yusuf Pathan, Mohammed Kaif, Azharuddin, etc. Which Pakistani Hindu is there to contradict Danish Kaneria?

Even in this forum, I can tag at least 10 Indian Muslim posters for their opinion. But can someone tag a Pakistani Hindu, Christian, or Sikh poster and let me know?

Frankly, these kinds of questions from the OP shouldn’t even be raised. It’s documented that anywhere there is a Muslim majority, minorities and women (of all religions) get limited or no rights. Yet, when in minority, the same population wants democracy and equality. On a forum, anyone can say anything, but facts are facts.

There is a very very simple way to answer this ... can Hindus in Pakistan think about doing something like what happened in Godhra or countless other acts of violence against the majority?
 
In India, no human is safe, cos its a country where animals have more rights than humans.

Indeed.

I have written it many times. Minorities and women are not safe in chaiwala's India. Women are always in danger of being raped while minorities are in danger of being lynched.

What minorities go through in India is far worse than what minorities face in other subcontinental countries.

Minority oppression in India is state-sponsored.
 
Many ppians forgotten to mentioned millions of afgani nationals sent back to their country by Pakistan.... and now they are coursing other
 
Indeed.

I have written it many times. Minorities and women are not safe in chaiwala's India. Women are always in danger of being raped while minorities are in danger of being lynched.

What minorities go through in India is far worse than what minorities face in other subcontinental countries.

Minority oppression in India is state-sponsored.
If they r not safe in India, why dont you take in your country? Originally they are illegal migrants
 
Indians shouldn't point fingers at other countries until:

- Article 370 is restored.
- Babri masjid is restored in its original place.
- Arrange referendum in Indian-occupied Kashmir.
- Arrange referendum in Punjab for an independent Khalistan.
- Arrange referendum in Tamil Nadu for an independent Tamil state.
- Criminalize cow vigilantism and prosecute cow vigilante mobs.
- Ensure safety for minorities. Ensure there is no systematic discrimination.

:inti:inti
Don't worry, I'll forward your request to our PM. He has a special liking for Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. He'll look into the matter.​
 
Genuine question, why are there no Pak hindu posters here? We were told reason no hindus in Pak cricket team because none of them are talented enough as present Pak team is filled with Bradman's. But one would expect in a forum as big and diverse as this, there will be atleast one non muslim Pak poster.
 
Genuine question, why are there no Pak hindu posters here? We were told reason no hindus in Pak cricket team because none of them are talented enough as present Pak team is filled with Bradman's. But one would expect in a forum as big and diverse as this, there will be atleast one non muslim Pak poster.

Majority of the Hindus in Pakistan live in the rural parts of Sindh,

If people in Karachi are struggling to get gas, electricity and clean water then you can only imagine how difficult it would be to live outside the urban areas.

So, the last thing on their minds would be logging into an online forum to interact with Raj from Southall, I could be wrong though.
 
Majority of the Hindus in Pakistan live in the rural parts of Sindh,

If people in Karachi are struggling to get gas, electricity and clean water then you can only imagine how difficult it would be to live outside the urban areas.

So, the last thing on their minds would be logging into an online forum to interact with Raj from Southall, I could be wrong though.
So that proves the point right that it is harder to be a Hindu in Pakistan than a muslim in India? The question OP is asking?
 
So that proves the point right that it is harder to be a Hindu in Pakistan than a muslim in India? The question OP is asking?

How? OP is referring to persecution of minorities.

Are the Pakistani Hindus being persecuted? Are their homes being bulldozed over petty crimes?
 
How? OP is referring to persecution of minorities.

Are the Pakistani Hindus being persecuted? Are their homes being bulldozed over petty crimes?

Oppression of Indian minorities is state-sponsored.

That is not the case in any other regional country. India is the only extremist country in the region.
 
How? OP is referring to persecution of minorities.

Are the Pakistani Hindus being persecuted? Are their homes being bulldozed over petty crimes?

Again only Pakistani hindus will be able to answer that, isn't it? As a Pakistani muslim, you dont speak for Pakistani hindus just like as an Indian hindu I dont speak for Indian muslims.

I can tag numerous Indian muslim posters here to get their opinion about the treatment they get in India. I have done that previously as well in another thread of OP only for him to get humiliated when Indian muslim posters categorically denied any such discrimination. All I am asking for is can you tag a single Pak hindu poster here and let him say exactly what you are saying. That will clarify things.

The only Pakistani Hindu I know is Danish Kaneria and he complained about religious discrimination he faced from his team mates. On the other hand, likes of Irfan Pathan or Zaheer Khan has nothing but praise for his team mates. So you claiming anything makes no sense. We need proofs.
 
Oppression of Indian minorities is state-sponsored.

That is not the case in any other regional country. India is the only extremist country in the region.

If Indian muslims are facing state sponsored oppression why not a single Indian muslim willing to leave India and take asylum overseas. We see Abduls from all over the world taking asylum in western world after being persecuted from their respective dodgy desert countries. However, no Indian muslims leave and their population only increasing. Yeh kaisa state sponsored oppression hai?

:yk :kp
 
Again only Pakistani hindus will be able to answer that, isn't it? As a Pakistani muslim, you dont speak for Pakistani hindus just like as an Indian hindu I dont speak for Indian muslims.

I said majority of Hindus live in rural areas of Sindh, where they barely have access to gas, electricity and water.

You said that proves it right, that the Pakistani Hindus have a harder life.

The op’s question was about persecution.

By your logic, we can’t talk about the persecution of minorities in Pakistan or India because, you’re not a minority in India and I’m not a minority in Pakistan.
 
In India, minority houses get bulldozed. Minorities are lynched by retarded cow vigilante mobs.

Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Maldives etc. don't have these. Not to this extent.

India is the #1 troublemaker in the region. They should stop interfering in other countries and treat their minorities better. Stop bulldozing their houses for a start. :inti
 
I said majority of Hindus live in rural areas of Sindh, where they barely have access to gas, electricity and water.

You said that proves it right, that the Pakistani Hindus have a harder life.

The op’s question was about persecution.

By your logic, we can’t talk about the persecution of minorities in Pakistan or India because, you’re not a minority in India and I’m not a minority in Pakistan.
Correct, we cannot talk about whether they are getting persecuted or not. It need to come from the horses mouth. The only difference being there are plenty of horses this side of the border but we get to neither hear or see any from Pakistan.

In a minority discussion between India and Pakistan, there is only one winner and its not even close.
 
Correct, we cannot talk about whether they are getting persecuted or not. It need to come from the horses mouth. The only difference being there are plenty of horses this side of the border but we get to neither hear or see any from Pakistan.

In a minority discussion between India and Pakistan, there is only one winner and its not even close.

Could be because India has over 200 million Muslims, compared to Pakistan having just 5 million Hindus.

:genius
 
Could be because India has over 200 million Muslims, compared to Pakistan having just 5 million Hindus.

:genius
But why? I thought Indian Muslim's are getting persecuted. How come there are 200 millions going strong?

Also, Pak hindus are treated so well and yet only 5 million .

:mv
 
But why? I thought Indian Muslim's are getting persecuted. How come there are 200 millions going strong?

Also, Pak hindus are treated so well and yet only 5 million .

:mv

Christian population in India is at 2.3%.

Hindu population in Pakistan is at 2.17%

Are Christians being persecuted in India?:gilly
 

Are We Muslims or Mujrims? How hate became India’s daily entertainment​



As violence against Muslims becomes public spectacle, India’s majoritarian politics has turned hate into entertainment and silence into complicity.
Every morning in today’s India begins with two parallel news cycles. One, broadcast on television screens, is carefully curated: Panel debates on Pakistan, Hindu pride, and endless theatre about a “new India”. The other, untelevised but deeply real, is the daily routine of Muslims being lynched, harassed, jailed, and demonised. Between the two, the message is chilling: Muslim suffering is either erased or turned into a spectacle, consumed like evening entertainment for the majority, while Muslims themselves are forced to live as if they are perpetual criminals, always accused, and never heard.

Take the killing of a seven-year-old Muslim boy in Azamgarh this September. His body, stuffed into a bag, was discovered with chilling indifference by neighbours who were later arrested. For a fleeting moment, local reports carried the story, but it quickly disappeared from prime-time television, replaced by fiery debates on “love jihad”, border tensions, or the India-Pakistan cricket match. A Muslim child’s death did not fit the script of national outrage. Instead, it became part of the silent archive of normalised violence. Sociologist Stanley Cohen once wrote about “states of denial”: Societies in which atrocities are not hidden but absorbed so routinely that they no longer shock. That is India today: Muslim killings happen in daylight, but the majority sees them as background noise.

At the same time, hate is not just silence; it is a performance. When Muslims in Kanpur raised placards saying “I love Muhammad”, the police responded not with protection but with FIRs against 1,300 Muslims and mass arrests. The act of love itself was criminalised. Yet when Hindutva mobs gather in Maharashtra or Madhya Pradesh, chanting open calls for genocide, television crews either glorify them or quietly look away. Violence against Muslims has become a kind of theatre, a script where Muslims are always on trial, and Hindutva forces play the role of guardians of civilisation.

This selective visibility is deliberate. The rise of “jihadi-mukt bazaars” in Indore, where Muslim traders were expelled overnight, is an economic lynching. Entire families lost their livelihoods, children were pulled out of school, and women were left to beg neighbours for food. Yet national media framed it as a “law and order adjustment”, barely noting the human cost. Hindutva groups celebrated on social media, turning the dispossession of Muslims into viral entertainment. What should have been a national scandal was packaged as routine “local tension”.

Chief Minister Yogi Adityanath embodies this culture of spectacle. From his official stage, he spews venom against Muslims, calling them “infiltrators” and “terror sympathisers”. These are not fringe voices; they are the ruling elite. And yet, the so-called opposition parties respond not with outrage but with their own diluted versions of Hindutva, competing to prove who can appear more “pro-Hindu” while Muslim fears are silenced. This bipartisan consensus has made it clear: Muslims are not political subjects in India any more; they are political props.

The toll of this is more than physical; it is psychological and existential. To live as a Muslim today is to live as a permanent suspect – watched in the mosque, judged in the market, doubted in the classroom. Every Friday prayer feels like a risk. Every loudspeaker call of the azaan feels like a provocation to some, even though it is the heartbeat of a community. The Urdu poet Sahir Ludhianvi once wrote, “jinhe naaz hai Hind par, woh kahan hain?” (“Where are those proud of India now?”). The question echoes today: If this is India’s greatness, why does it demand Muslim humiliation every day as proof?

The Ugandan-born Muslim scholar Mahmood Mamdani offers a framework that helps us name this reality. In his famous work Good Muslim, Bad Muslim, he explains how states and societies divide Muslims into two categories: The “acceptable” one who submits quietly, and the “dangerous” one who resists or even asserts dignity. In India, this division is weaponised daily. The Muslim who hides his faith, who stays invisible, is tolerated. But the Muslim who affirms his identity – who says “I love Muhammad” in public, who asks for equal rights, who resists erasure – is instantly cast as mujrim, the criminal. Mamdani reminds us that this is not about theology, it is about power: Who has the right to define legitimacy, and who must live under suspicion.

This is why lynching videos circulate on WhatsApp like memes, why anchors smirk when peddling conspiracy theories about “Muslim population explosion”, and why mobs laugh after torching shops. Hatred is not just politics any more; it has become collective leisure. When cruelty becomes comedy, when humiliation becomes a prime-time script, the line between democracy and fascism has already collapsed.

History warns us: Societies that turn minority suffering into entertainment do not remain immune from the rot. The silence of German liberals during Nazi rallies, the casual indifference of Americans during the lynching of Black people, and the cheering of Israeli crowds during bombings in Gaza all stand as reminders that entertainment built on hate eventually devours the society itself. India is not exempt.

So I return to the question: Are we Muslims or mujrim? Why must we live on trial every day while killers walk free? Why must our children’s deaths be erased while the state celebrates “Amrit Kaal”? The answer is not just for Muslims to give; it is for India’s majority to decide whether they will continue to watch hate as their favourite serial or finally switch off the screen.

will not just roll over Muslim corpses. They will roll over the death of the Republic itself. And history will not ask whether you were Hindu or Muslim, right-wing or liberal, it will ask only why a society that prided itself on civilisation turned cruelty into comedy and silence into consent. The question before India’s majority is no longer about tolerance or secularism; it is about whether they can still recognise the human in their neighbour.

If today you clap when the Muslim is punished as mujrim, tomorrow you will wake to find that the very nation you cheered for has turned into your prison, and by then, the laughter of hate will be the only sound left in this Republic.




Pakistani Hindus / christians + Bangaldeshhindus/christians have it way easier compared to Indian muslims - india is far behind
 
Much harder to be a Muslim in India because India is now run by rabid RSS animals. :inti

If Muslims are harmed in India, it is generally state-sponsored or have political backings.
 

Lord Ram was Muslim: Trinamool MLA sparks row; BJP slams 'insult to Hindu faith'​



TMC MLA Madan Mitra sparked a political row after claiming in a speech that Lord Ram was a Muslim, saying his remarks were meant to challenge what he called the BJP's shallow understanding of Hinduism.

Trinamool Congress (TMC) MLA Madan Mitra triggered a political controversy after a video of his speech surfaced in which he claimed that Lord Ram was a Muslim, drawing sharp reactions from the BJP, which termed the remarks an insult to Hindu faith.

In the speech, delivered in Bengali, Mitra began by reciting a Hindu shloka and went on to attack the BJP’s interpretation of Hindu religion. He said his remarks were aimed at questioning the BJP leadership’s understanding of Hinduism rather than targeting the religion itself.

Reacting strongly, BJP spokesperson Pradeep Bhandari condemned Mitra’s remarks, saying, “TMC MLA Madan Mitra’s outrageous claim that ‘Prabhu Sri Ram was a Muslim, not a Hindu’ is a deliberate insult to Hindu faith. This is what the TMC has degenerated into: daily attacks on Hindu belief.”

(Leaders cannot help but insult Hindu Gods and Hindu beliefs it seems. Now TMC MLA Madan Mitra says Lord Ram was a Muslim, Not Hindu. This continuous abuse of our culture and history is not a slip of tongue! Rather it is a no-so-subtle message to illegal Bangladeshis, that the TMC is the most Hindu Birodhi party, and therefore represents their beliefs. Thankfully, in a few more months, such anti Hindu leaders will no longer be in power.)



Recounting an alleged personal interaction, the Kamarhati MLA said he once challenged a senior BJP leader in Delhi to prove that Lord Ram was a Hindu. “I told him, prove to me that Ram is a Hindu. Tell me what Ram’s surname is,” Mitra said, adding that no one present could answer his question. He claimed that even BJP leaders, including Suvendu Adhikari, failed to respond.

Mitra further alleged that a Hindu sadhu later told him that Lord Ram’s surname was “Ramjethmalani,” a claim he ridiculed in his speech. “Would any Hindu believe this? Would they believe such people and go offer their puja?” Mitra said, asserting that his comments were meant to mock what he described as the BJP’s superficial understanding of Hinduism.

Mitra added he was unafraid of political consequences. “I am saying this, I am Madan Mitra. You can spread this across India. What will the BJP do? Will they beat me?” he said, while also invoking references from the Bhagavad Gita to argue about destiny and duty.
 
Let's look at facts

Population of Muslims in India over the years
Vs
Population of Hindus over the years in Pakistan and Bangaldesh

And it will be clear where people want to live
 

If another Muslim had exposed India’s reality, Tharoor would’ve sprinted in with the emergency defense line, ‘relax everyone, India once had a Muslim President.’ Case closed. Democracy certified.

Honestly, Hindutva should also thank Pakistan for May, after the jets went down, the PAF generously handed them a brand-new talking point, ‘Look, a Muslim army officer gave the militar briefing.’ Representation unlocked.

At this rate, the overplayed greatest hits are clear, ‘India has a huge Muslim population’ and ‘Muslims didn’t move to Pakistan.’ Apparently, existing and not leaving are now proof that everything else is perfectly fine.
 
If another Muslim had exposed India’s reality, Tharoor would’ve sprinted in with the emergency defense line, ‘relax everyone, India once had a Muslim President.’ Case closed. Democracy certified.

Honestly, Hindutva should also thank Pakistan for May, after the jets went down, the PAF generously handed them a brand-new talking point, ‘Look, a Muslim army officer gave the militar briefing.’ Representation unlocked.

At this rate, the overplayed greatest hits are clear, ‘India has a huge Muslim population’ and ‘Muslims didn’t move to Pakistan.’ Apparently, existing and not leaving are now proof that everything else is perfectly fine.

"Stripped of my agency" what does it even mean? Its basically a drive by

Did you understand what she means by stripped me of my agency?

Universal moral order? I read that "only if everybody accepts Shariah world would be better place"
 
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Being a Hindu in Pakistan is the hardest. They may not be beaten in the streets, but there is substantial structural racism that makes them second-class citizens in the country. No Hindu has ever progressed to a position of authority in Pakistan.

I don't have facts or figures, but this is my observation.
@Major seems to be doing well as a Hindu in Pakistan
 

Imagine living under the threat of Blasphemy or mob-lynching just because someone claimed that you have insulted their God. And Pakistan have a codified blasphemy law to support it.

And we talk about minorities faring well in Pakistan and Bangladesh.
most hindus in pakistan are converting to Islam, thr seeing sense
Cannot get a better reason to convert than fear of death.
 
@Theanonymousone truly lives in an alternative sanghi reality.

Minorities in India get lynched/attacked/killed. Their houses get bulldozed. They are forced to chant "jay sri ram". Such things do not happen in any other country in the region (not to that extent at least).

India is a terrible place for minorities, women, men, children, tourists etc. :inti
 
Minorities in India get lynched/attacked/killed. Their houses get bulldozed. They are forced to chant "jay sri ram". Such things do not happen in any other country in the region (not to that extent at least).
The problem is that you have no clue about India, read some online articles, form your biased opinion against India and keep posting about India. And your feed gets the same data that you want based on the algorithm and the cycle repeats.

There are as many muslims in India as in Pakistan and Bangladesh. It is better to call Muslims as second majority than minority in India and true minorities are Christians, Buddhists etc. Atrocities in India is not an outlier than anyway compared to sub-continent. Please provide the parameter to compare and we will as you wish if you would like.

I have my colleagues who are Muslims and none of them chant ‘Jai shree ram’. As a matter of fact, Hindus in general do not bring religion into the face of others like Muslims. If India is truly a tough place for Muslims, they would not have thrived in India experiencing a population growth better than Hindus.

I mean look at yourself in the Mirror. How will a Hindu feel comfortable around you when you bring religion into every aspect of life and pass judgements?? Which is not an average Hindu does. You call for executions on Awami league in the other thread based on your judgements without letting law and order take its course.
Can anyone get more extreme than this??
 
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Making a whole thread on the issue says how much you are detached from the ground reality. Hundreds of thousands of hindus and other religious minorities are leaving Bangladesh every year. Pakistan Shouldn’t even be discussed on this issue as even muslims are not safe down there. On the other hand, I'm yet to meet an Indian muslim who has migrated from India to Bangladesh.
 
I think being of lower caste in India is definitely worse than being Hindu in Pakistan but for Muslims in India, I still think it’s somehow manageable given that they are so many. As for minorities in Pakistan, Ahmadis…..
 

Lord Ram was Muslim: Trinamool MLA sparks row; BJP slams 'insult to Hindu faith'​



TMC MLA Madan Mitra sparked a political row after claiming in a speech that Lord Ram was a Muslim, saying his remarks were meant to challenge what he called the BJP's shallow understanding of Hinduism.

Trinamool Congress (TMC) MLA Madan Mitra triggered a political controversy after a video of his speech surfaced in which he claimed that Lord Ram was a Muslim, drawing sharp reactions from the BJP, which termed the remarks an insult to Hindu faith.

In the speech, delivered in Bengali, Mitra began by reciting a Hindu shloka and went on to attack the BJP’s interpretation of Hindu religion. He said his remarks were aimed at questioning the BJP leadership’s understanding of Hinduism rather than targeting the religion itself.

Reacting strongly, BJP spokesperson Pradeep Bhandari condemned Mitra’s remarks, saying, “TMC MLA Madan Mitra’s outrageous claim that ‘Prabhu Sri Ram was a Muslim, not a Hindu’ is a deliberate insult to Hindu faith. This is what the TMC has degenerated into: daily attacks on Hindu belief.”

(Leaders cannot help but insult Hindu Gods and Hindu beliefs it seems. Now TMC MLA Madan Mitra says Lord Ram was a Muslim, Not Hindu. This continuous abuse of our culture and history is not a slip of tongue! Rather it is a no-so-subtle message to illegal Bangladeshis, that the TMC is the most Hindu Birodhi party, and therefore represents their beliefs. Thankfully, in a few more months, such anti Hindu leaders will no longer be in power.)



Recounting an alleged personal interaction, the Kamarhati MLA said he once challenged a senior BJP leader in Delhi to prove that Lord Ram was a Hindu. “I told him, prove to me that Ram is a Hindu. Tell me what Ram’s surname is,” Mitra said, adding that no one present could answer his question. He claimed that even BJP leaders, including Suvendu Adhikari, failed to respond.

Mitra further alleged that a Hindu sadhu later told him that Lord Ram’s surname was “Ramjethmalani,” a claim he ridiculed in his speech. “Would any Hindu believe this? Would they believe such people and go offer their puja?” Mitra said, asserting that his comments were meant to mock what he described as the BJP’s superficial understanding of Hinduism.

Mitra added he was unafraid of political consequences. “I am saying this, I am Madan Mitra. You can spread this across India. What will the BJP do? Will they beat me?” he said, while also invoking references from the Bhagavad Gita to argue about destiny and duty.
This fellow seems out of touch. I'm not sure why he is bringing muslims into this. AFAIK there is no movement claiming ownership of Ram. Some in the past have given Hindus ahle-kitab status and belief that hindu scriptures had divine origins, but they are two completely belief systems with no obvious parrallels.

As far as Lord Ram surname, what kind of question is this? Can't Hindus just check birth certificate and prove this guy wrong? They know when/where he was born so there will be a log of the name too for sure.
 

Imagine living under the threat of Blasphemy or mob-lynching just because someone claimed that you have insulted their God. And Pakistan have a codified blasphemy law to support it.

And we talk about minorities faring well in Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Cannot get a better reason to convert than fear of death.
No they do not fare well in Pakistan. You are right.

I am not sure about Bangladesh and how much is due to Modi's disasterous policy in the region giving blockback on innocent people.

But in Pakistan they don't fare well. We should be honest about this instead of burying our head in the sand. otherwise the situation wont change.

Rather than criticise India, we should educate our own people on minority rights. We are starting to do a bit better in some areas, but large parts of the population are very ignorant.
 
The problem is that you have no clue about India, read some online articles, form your biased opinion against India and keep posting about India. And your feed gets the same data that you want based on the algorithm and the cycle repeats.

There are as many muslims in India as in Pakistan and Bangladesh. It is better to call Muslims as second majority than minority in India and true minorities are Christians, Buddhists etc. Atrocities in India is not an outlier than anyway compared to sub-continent. Please provide the parameter to compare and we will as you wish if you would like.

I have my colleagues who are Muslims and none of them chant ‘Jai shree ram’. As a matter of fact, Hindus in general do not bring religion into the face of others like Muslims. If India is truly a tough place for Muslims, they would not have thrived in India experiencing a population growth better than Hindus.

I mean look at yourself in the Mirror. How will a Hindu feel comfortable around you when you bring religion into every aspect of life and pass judgements?? Which is not an average Hindu does. You call for executions on Awami league in the other thread based on your judgements without letting law and order take its course.
Can anyone get more extreme than this??



Are you joking that - Muslims and none of them chant ‘Jai shree ram’. As a matter of fact, Hindus in general do not bring religion into the face of others like Muslims - thrs many loads on pp on cow vigilante and hindus forcing muslims to say jai shree ram
 
Are you joking that - Muslims and none of them chant ‘Jai shree ram’. As a matter of fact, Hindus in general do not bring religion into the face of others like Muslims - thrs many loads on pp on cow vigilante and hindus forcing muslims to say jai shree ram
These cow vigilantes should be dealt with in a legal manner. But you do understand that India has 28 states and 8 UT and may be in 1/2 in Northern India have these occurrences. I have never seen or heard of a Cow vigilante in my state or neighboring states to be honest. Now, I am not implying that it doesn't happen but wanted to prove that how small these occurrences are in the scale of this country. We are still a developing nation and by no means, India is different than other parts of sub-continent like Pakistan or Bangladesh except Southern states which are considerably developed. And forcing Muslims?? Even our corporate offices allow Muslim prayer time every Friday and here we are discussing about forcing them to chant ‘Jai Shree Ram’.

India had cases where Muslims killed a merchant in Rajasthan and showed his head as a status in his WhatsApp. Should we generalize that Muslims violence is high in India??
 
These cow vigilantes should be dealt with in a legal manner. But you do understand that India has 28 states and 8 UT and may be in 1/2 in Northern India have these occurrences. I have never seen or heard of a Cow vigilante in my state or neighboring states to be honest. Now, I am not implying that it doesn't happen but wanted to prove that how small these occurrences are in the scale of this country. We are still a developing nation and by no means, India is different than other parts of sub-continent like Pakistan or Bangladesh except Southern states which are considerably developed. And forcing Muslims?? Even our corporate offices allow Muslim prayer time every Friday and here we are discussing about forcing them to chant ‘Jai Shree Ram’.

India had cases where Muslims killed a merchant in Rajasthan and showed his head as a status in his WhatsApp. Should we generalize that Muslims violence is high in India??
Its not a generalisation, when we have threads full of articles and reports on the matter,


Its still a massive problem within India
 
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