Is it time to discuss dropping Shaheen Shah Afridi from Pakistan's Test squad?

Is it time to discuss dropping Shaheen Shah Afridi from Pakistan's Test squad?


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Probs shpuld retire from international cricket now.

Ik people will call me crazy for this considering young but today I saw a guy who's disinterested in playing International.

It wasn't just a player lacking in form. Clearly the passion is gone
 
One of the worst players to ever play for Pakistan….which is tragic because this guy definitely has some talent. It’s just that the fame got to his little head and he thinks he doesn’t need to work on his game anymore, despite repeated failures.
 
Probs shpuld retire from international cricket now.

Ik people will call me crazy for this considering young but today I saw a guy who's disinterested in playing International.

It wasn't just a player lacking in form. Clearly the passion is gone

I mean, I get that he isn’t a happy bunny. But, he should be channeling that displeasure into hard work behind the scenes like a pro. Maybe they read him wrong and the current management have not quiet grasped how he should have been dealt with. His body language is just terrible, as some have said, he needs to spend time away from the game. Maybe that will involve coming to the decision that he doesn’t want to play for Pakistan and so be it, if it isn’t, then he needs to work on his flaws & re-discover the passion for playing for his country and management should assist to where needed. Other Pak players have been dealt with a lot worse. There’s a big battle going on with his ego to.
 
I mean, I get that he isn’t a happy bunny. But, he should be channeling that displeasure into hard work behind the scenes like a pro. Maybe they read him wrong and the current management have not quiet grasped how he should have been dealt with. His body language is just terrible, as some have said, he needs to spend time away from the game. Maybe that will involve coming to the decision that he doesn’t want to play for Pakistan and so be it, if it isn’t, then he needs to work on his flaws & re-discover the passion for playing for his country and management should assist to where needed. Other Pak players have been dealt with a lot worse. There’s a big battle going on with his ego to.
Pakistani people are a soft nation in general and are behind the world, When steve smith was dropped from the team, he dealt with it like a man, Our players would have caused the biggest drama imaginable.

Look at the insane drama rizwan caused from just being dropped for one series over sarfi? Or from being a no 5 in odi?

But tbf to Shaheen, Australia and England don't have to deal with nonsense such as getting dropped for no reason or discarded from captaincy for no reason.
 
Shaheen is not looking like the deadly bowler that he was before his injury. I think maybe it is because of injury or that captaincy rift but whatever it is, it is not good for him and Pakistan. Either he should be rested or maybe just drop him for next series by letting him know straightaway that you are not doing what you are meant to do.
 
Our test bowling is super poor. If we are struggling to take 20 wickets in home condition, we will be facing innings defeats in countries like Aus, SA, Eng and NZ.
 
Shaheen is not looking like the deadly bowler that he was before his injury. I think maybe it is because of injury or that captaincy rift but whatever it is, it is not good for him and Pakistan. Either he should be rested or maybe just drop him for next series by letting him know straightaway that you are not doing what you are meant to do.

Too many excuses for Shaheen. He is plain over rated. Even before his knee injury, his record against top teams was terrible
 
Too many excuses for Shaheen. He is plain over rated. Even before his knee injury, his record against top teams was terrible
Yeah I guess the excuses are overdone now. Shaheens should be shown a red card now. He is totally toothless in this game as well.
 
I think this stat is enough for selectors to give some rest to this guy now.

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I think Shaheen is happy to be dropped. Most of our players would gladly sit out of test cricket.

I'm not sure what we gain by torturing players like Shaheen on flat pitches in the summer.
 
Shaheen and Bazid making interesting points about Shaheen ie if you don't improve or evolve you stagnate. Aamir specifically criticized Shaheen that he operates more on hope than proper planning, he specifically mentioned that Shaheen keeps habitually sticking to around the wicket to the right hander regardless of whether it is working or not, not once has he tried going over the wicket to the right hander.
 
So, he won't pick 200 test wickets for Pakistan?

@Bhaag Viru Bhaag, you used to say Shaheen is a baby and has potential to pick a lot more wickets than Bumrah, seems the baby was better bowler than a grown up.

Another one bites the dust, that's why never believe in hype of a young cricketer in Pakistan. Their cricketing setup just don't know how to develop players.
 
So, he won't pick 200 test wickets for Pakistan?

@Bhaag Viru Bhaag, you used to say Shaheen is a baby and has potential to pick a lot more wickets than Bumrah, seems the baby was better bowler than a grown up.

Another one bites the dust, that's why never believe in hype of a young cricketer in Pakistan. Their cricketing setup just don't know how to develop players.

Why blame the cricketing set up? What about the responsibility of the player himself and his own hard work and skill development?
 
Our players don’t develop well and i solely blame players for this. All the facilities in the world but mentally they are weaklings
 
So, he won't pick 200 test wickets for Pakistan?

@Bhaag Viru Bhaag, you used to say Shaheen is a baby and has potential to pick a lot more wickets than Bumrah, seems the baby was better bowler than a grown up.

Another one bites the dust, that's why never believe in hype of a young cricketer in Pakistan. Their cricketing setup just don't know how to develop players.
Age: 24
Tests: 30
Wickets: 113
Avg: 27.35

:inti
 
What about last 2 years? Is that average under 40 or gone past that too?
You can either focus on his overall stats or analyse his performance from the last two years. At just 24, he has at least 7-8 good years of cricket ahead of him, barring any serious injury. Stay tuned. :inti
 
I am sure someone like Wasim Jnr, Abbas or Dahani would have got at least 1-2 wickets after bowling 27 overs against Bangladesh.
 
Personally, I think too much is being read in to his attitude, loss of captaincy etc. While this may have had an effect, I maintain that never spending time getting over his knee injury is the root cause.

Our players are missing a few key ingredients:

1. Courage: it takes courage to take a break and work on your game and fitness. The risk with this is that someone may take your place in the team (this is what these simpletons fear the most). The easy way out is to continue to play on reputation and hope your lobby is strong enough to keep fighting your corner.

2. Game awareness: if you understand the game, being a tall bowler you can re-invent yourself as a tall metronome who hits a hard length. But he just wants to go for those Hollywood inswingers which are useless at medium pace.

3. Ambition: this is not to be confused with ambition for captaincy. If you have the ambition for true greatness, you would do either points 1 or 2 or even both.

Unfortunately, not only shaheen, but all our players are lacking these qualities.
 
At just 24, he has at least 7-8 good years of cricket ahead of him, barring any serious injury. Stay tuned. :inti

Condition being you remain disciplined, work hard, don't blabber, focus on your game and maintain a top notch work ethic.
 
No, there is no replacement for Shaheen Afridi. He is the default first pick as a bowler in every format. The talent in domestic cricket is quite mediocre. As long as he is fit, he should be playing every game for this country.
 
Some reports are also suggesting that Shaheen will also be dropped from the team for the next Test match against England.

Fair call.
 
I think he should be dropped for rest of England series and work in gym ,train in nets ,work hard and then come back.
Playing next 2 tests with this form will just bing his confidence further down against this mighty English batting.
 
He needs to undergo age testing. Officially on paper he is 24 years old but he is bowling like a 30 year old
 
Shaheen Shah Afridi has been dropped from the remaining second and third Tests against England, with selectors stating he has been rested.
 
He deserved to be dropped with his recent performances but will he ever rediscover his form.... I'm sceptical.
 
I am hoping he gets his zip back but I think SSA is in big trouble for Tests. He is around 28, and should be at his peak but he looks to be bowling like a 32 getting in the last couple of years of his career
 
He is far too talented a player to fizzle out. Get him to sit with a dedicated S&C coach/biomechanics expert to sort out his action, fitness and rhythm. If it takes a year, then let it take a year.
 
Should have been dropped a LONG time ago.

He's been the worst of the lot despite Babar being in the spotlight.
 
I won't be surprised if Shaheen announces his retirement from test cricket in the next month or so. I don't understand how a bowler with his height and run up, has trouble bowling around the speeds of 138 kph. I think Babar and Shaheen are still hurt for losing the captaincy and don't like playing under Shan Masood. They both are weird characters and have refused to do what is right for the team. Pcb also made a huge mistake by appointing Shan Masood as captain of Pakistan test cricket team. The sooner we move on from Masood the better. The kind of mess this current government has created by changing captains, selectors and a new chairman every few months is something I have never seen before. RIP Pakistan cricket. This is the price we must pay for removing Imran Khan and Rameez Raja who were not perfect, but still better than Sethi, Zaka and Naqvi.
 
Pakistan is going to struggle to get another pacer to take 200 Test wickets if Shaheen never comes back into the Test team. I don't think there is any pacer currently in the Pakistan team who looks like playing 50 Tests.
 
He’s retiring from Test cricket soon I heard.
If I'm being completly fair.

Half of these guys aren't even odi bowlers. Forget about test, they can't even bowl 10 overs.

It's very clear by(Shaheen, Naseem and the rest), that they generally do not know how to bowl long spells.

I saw the game and regardless of a road deck, every player bowled full pitch or hit me lengths as if it was t20 cricket to bait the batsmen to play a rash shot which happens in t20 cricket.

No one could bowl the same line and length for even 6 balls straight.
 
If Shaheen retires from Test cricket now, he has about the same legacy as the the long haired clown who only took 174 Test wickets in his career coupled with 0 trophies and 0 wins vs India in WCs but narrates stories as if he took 1,000 Test wickets, bowled at 250 mph and won a dozen World Cups for Pakistan.

Pakistan is a tragic cricket nation that made kings out of court jesters like Shahid Afridi and Shoaib Akhtar. Two absolute nobodies.
 
If Shaheen retires from Test cricket now, he has about the same legacy as the the long haired clown who only took 174 Test wickets in his career coupled with 0 trophies and 0 wins vs India in WCs but narrates stories as if he took 1,000 Test wickets, bowled at 250 mph and won a dozen World Cups for Pakistan.

Pakistan is a tragic cricket nation that made kings out of court jesters like Shahid Afridi and Shoaib Akhtar. Two absolute nobodies.

Shoaib had a head on prime Paul Heyman hairline, you considered that long haired?
 
During an interaction with a sports media outlet, former Pakistan head coach Mickey Arthur:

“I can't believe it. If he's not bowling in South Africa, then where the hell are they bowling him? It's the best place to bowl in the world, almost. Plus, he gives you a left-arm option. I know they have got Mir Hamza, but Shaheen is a game-breaker and match-winner. I'm not in the inner echelon in terms of knowing the ins and outs of why they haven't selected him, but on pure skill, I would have him in South Africa in any team I pick.”
 
Looks like Shaheen has de facto retired from Test cricket.

Commiserations to all PCT fans and @Bhaag Viru Bhaag . Yet another Pakistani bowler fails to reach 200 Test wickets.

They are all so fragile . Good luck finding another serviceable Test bowler let alone someone who can even come close to a Bumrah.
 
Looks like Shaheen has de facto retired from Test cricket.

Commiserations to all PCT fans and @Bhaag Viru Bhaag . Yet another Pakistani bowler fails to reach 200 Test wickets.

They are all so fragile . Good luck finding another serviceable Test bowler let alone someone who can even come close to a Bumrah.
The joke is on you for using the word ‘retired’ and Shaheen Afridi in the same sentence. :misbah :inti
 
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Shaheen has done ok in ODI series. Let him get his groove (swing seam control) back on a consistent basis. There is a world of difference between bowling 10 good overs every other day and bowling 20 overs a day. He’s a long way from his best and at his best he was overworked carrying the attack in all formats on his young inexperienced shoulders. Test cricket is no joke.
 
During an interaction with a sports media outlet, former Pakistan head coach Mickey Arthur:

“I can't believe it. If he's not bowling in South Africa, then where the hell are they bowling him? It's the best place to bowl in the world, almost. Plus, he gives you a left-arm option. I know they have got Mir Hamza, but Shaheen is a game-breaker and match-winner. I'm not in the inner echelon in terms of knowing the ins and outs of why they haven't selected him, but on pure skill, I would have him in South Africa in any team I pick.”

Mickey is dreaming of 2019, Pak have not rotated their fast bowlers in the last 5 years and run Shaheen into the ground. If they were sensible he’d only be playing Tests & major ICC tournaments, bit like how SA use to utilise Steyn. However, they’ve given him rest of some kind and I will take that, and with the CT around the corner it makes sense he’s on a plane home now. I don’t know whether it was the rest or some extra work he’s doing behind the scenes or suddenly became extra motivated with no Babar as captain but there’s more zip to his bowling, best to take that and hope he can keep it up in the CT.
 
That bowling unit looks weak.

We really need to find our flagship test pacer.
No weaker than it was a year ago in the Australia test series. Just have to wait and see. I’m quite worried about Khurram or Naseem breaking down mid series.
 
Mickey is dreaming of 2019, Pak have not rotated their fast bowlers in the last 5 years and run Shaheen into the ground. If they were sensible he’d only be playing Tests & major ICC tournaments, bit like how SA use to utilise Steyn. However, they’ve given him rest of some kind and I will take that, and with the CT around the corner it makes sense he’s on a plane home now. I don’t know whether it was the rest or some extra work he’s doing behind the scenes or suddenly became extra motivated with no Babar as captain but there’s more zip to his bowling, best to take that and hope he can keep it up in the CT.
I agree with with all this but then he went and got himself a BPL gig if he gets injured playing their joke is on PcB and Shaheen
 
I agree with with all this but then he went and got himself a BPL gig if he gets injured playing their joke is on PcB and Shaheen
Didn’t the PCB veto that? he certainly shouldn’t be given an NOC to participate in those leagues when he is rested during specific series….
 
I was okay for Shaheen not to be in the test squad if he was just resting and not playing in a franchise league.
 
That bowling unit looks weak.

We really need to find our flagship test pacer.
It is clear fast bowlers are not coming through first class system.Either there aren’t any or PCB keeps them out due to nepoyism,sifarish.It may be a good idea to hold bowling camps in all regions and big cities with the help of big companies and former cricketers especially bowlers.The bowers with best physique,height,run up,action and speed should be selected sent to PCB centres to work with bowling coaches.
 
It is clear fast bowlers are not coming through first class system.Either there aren’t any or PCB keeps them out due to nepoyism,sifarish.It may be a good idea to hold bowling camps in all regions and big cities with the help of big companies and former cricketers especially bowlers.The bowers with best physique,height,run up,action and speed should be selected sent to PCB centres to work with bowling coaches.

I would rather field TTFs than compromise on a fast bowler. No more short skiddy bowlers and trundlers. Maybe that's why nothing is coming through as they are being more selective.
 
It is clear fast bowlers are not coming through first class system.Either there aren’t any or PCB keeps them out due to nepoyism,sifarish.It may be a good idea to hold bowling camps in all regions and big cities with the help of big companies and former cricketers especially bowlers.The bowers with best physique,height,run up,action and speed should be selected sent to PCB centres to work with bowling coaches.
Mohammed Ali and abbas Afridi will be test level soon. Even Wasim Jr and Husnain could be good back ups let alone some of the under 19 crew. It takes a long time to get bowlers up to test level
 
A bunch of Pakistani podcasters explained the reason behind lack of test class pacers.

1. Money - Pak players don’t get to play IPL so a big chunk of earnings are lost. Have to compensate by playing the other leagues. Makes no sense to cultivate red ball skills and focus more on T20.

2. Fame - Pak players anyway don’t play India so can’t get famous by winning against Ind (like say Shoaib in 1999 or Asif in 2006) so they have to build up a body of work.

200 wickets for a good fast bowler take around 50 matches. Pakistan for one, anyway play lesser matches (only 2 and 3 match series). Pakistan have averaged 7.5 tests per year over the last 10 years. That's around 6.5 years. Considering injuries are the norm for fast bowlers, best case scenario it is 8 years (Shaheen 6 years post debut is at 116).

So you have to be world class with good injury luck to EVEN get 200 in 8 years. Mind you, 200 is sort of the minimum for a good bowler. The greats have 300+.

On the contrary, one good performance winning a trophy or doing well against India and you gain instant fame. It makes sense for young Pak bowlers to focus on white ball.

Until these factors change, Waqar will be the last of the 200 wicket pacers.
 
I was okay for Shaheen not to be in the test squad if he was just resting and not playing in a franchise league.
Load management is necessary now as there is too much cricket being played around the world creating extra fatigue for players can shorten their careers.
 
And Shaheen fires back in style with a series winning performance in SA. Can't believe people want him to retire. @Mamoon @Caved12 @shah9425 @Ahmed216 @jamie smith @Rana @Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH @gazza619
So let me get this straight, some people seriously want us to drop or retire our three superstars, Babar, Shaheen, and Rizwan, and replace them with what? players who can barely perform at the domestic level? That’s essentially setting Pakistan up to lose regularly. It’s hard to believe anyone making such suggestions is actually supporting Team Pakistan.

The past 2 months have been fantastic for us as Pakistan fans. We’ve won a Test series against England and secured three consecutive ODI series victories overseas, two of them against strong teams. Instead of celebrating these successes, some fans are busy trying to downplay the contributions of our senior players.

Babar, Shaheen, and Rizwan have been pivotal in these wins, giving their absolute best in every game. Instead of tearing them down, we should be supporting them and appreciating what they’ve achieved for the team.
 
A bunch of Pakistani podcasters explained the reason behind lack of test class pacers.

1. Money - Pak players don’t get to play IPL so a big chunk of earnings are lost. Have to compensate by playing the other leagues. Makes no sense to cultivate red ball skills and focus more on T20.

2. Fame - Pak players anyway don’t play India so can’t get famous by winning against Ind (like say Shoaib in 1999 or Asif in 2006) so they have to build up a body of work.

200 wickets for a good fast bowler take around 50 matches. Pakistan for one, anyway play lesser matches (only 2 and 3 match series). Pakistan have averaged 7.5 tests per year over the last 10 years. That's around 6.5 years. Considering injuries are the norm for fast bowlers, best case scenario it is 8 years (Shaheen 6 years post debut is at 116).

So you have to be world class with good injury luck to EVEN get 200 in 8 years. Mind you, 200 is sort of the minimum for a good bowler. The greats have 300+.

On the contrary, one good performance winning a trophy or doing well against India and you gain instant fame. It makes sense for young Pak bowlers to focus on white ball.

Until these factors change, Waqar will be the last of the 200 wicket pacers.
Default mode on Pakistani media is to attack the players and their motivations. It’s a huge generalization that its game.

If you see what generally happens are injuries that derail the pacer. I think Junaid Khan, Shaheen, Naseem could have gone to get 200+ test wickets had they kept injury free. Shoaib Akhtar was another one impacted by injuries.

Recently we saw Ihsanullah go into obscurity.

Previously, we saw Amir and Asif get caught in scandals.

Ide say injury rehab is the biggest reason followed by consistency in selection.
 
During the commentary of Day 1 of the 1st Test between South Africa and Pakistan:

Ramiz Raja:
"With his form back, he bowled brilliantly in the ODI series as well! Shaheen should've been in the Test squad and was desperate to play too."

Mpumelelo "Pommie" Mbangwa: "With his pace back up, he was swinging the ball both ways too."

Do you think Shaheen Afridi should have been selected for this Test series?
 
Load management is necessary now as there is too much cricket being played around the world creating extra fatigue for players can shorten their careers.
I think also becouse of the odi world cup that would have had a factor if to pick him or not.
 
Shaheen himself told the team management and the PCB that he is no longer interested in test cricket anymore. He cited his knee injury and the fact it can't cope with the demands of test cricket, having to bowl 15-20 plus overs in a day. The PCB have agreed to allow him to step away from Test Cricket without losing his A Contract and have given him a face saving by not having to announce not being available for test cricket anymore.
 
Shaheen himself told the team management and the PCB that he is no longer interested in test cricket anymore. He cited his knee injury and the fact it can't cope with the demands of test cricket, having to bowl 15-20 plus overs in a day. The PCB have agreed to allow him to step away from Test Cricket without losing his A Contract and have given him a face saving by not having to announce not being available for test cricket anymore.

Should be dropped from all formats then.
 
Shaheen himself told the team management and the PCB that he is no longer interested in test cricket anymore. He cited his knee injury and the fact it can't cope with the demands of test cricket, having to bowl 15-20 plus overs in a day.
Source?
 
Default mode on Pakistani media is to attack the players and their motivations. It’s a huge generalization that its game.

If you see what generally happens are injuries that derail the pacer. I think Junaid Khan, Shaheen, Naseem could have gone to get 200+ test wickets had they kept injury free. Shoaib Akhtar was another one impacted by injuries.

Recently we saw Ihsanullah go into obscurity.

Previously, we saw Amir and Asif get caught in scandals.

Ide say injury rehab is the biggest reason followed by consistency in selection.

Agreed. Injuries to fast bowlers happen all the time across teams yet if you look at bowlers like Cummins/Bumrah/Wood etc.. they come back just as good if not better.

Pakistani bowlers, immediately see reduction in pace, effectiveness and are simply not the same. We've seen this happen way too often recently to consider it a coincidence. It's a pattern at this point from players like Junaid who should have had a long great career but immediately lost a lot of pace and effectiveness. Look at the bowlers like Hasan Ali used to be, got injured, lost pace and hasn't been the same since. Amir had a back fracture, lost pace and had to retire from Tests to prolong his career. Faheem is another one who used to bowl at fairly decent pace and looked like a decent pace allrounder in Tests, he also had some injuries, lost pace and has been rubbish since. It doesn't just extend to fast bowlers either, just look at what happened to Haris Sohail.

Now we've seen Shaheen/Naseem/Ihsanullah injured, lost pace and effectiveness. We can't keep blaming the players because it's not a one-off. It's a pattern that exists with PCB and its medical department. Calling it third class would be generous and I think there's simply a lack of professionalism and care by PCB for its players. We clearly saw Shaheen left on his own to deal with a serious injury and he was even paying the bills himself for it, which is so ridiculous. Because of the quantity of players in Pakistan, PCB disregards players who get injured and seem happy with finding the next guy mentality instead of preserving what you have. This extends to the development of players too, if they don't think you are not good enough, they will look for another guy instead of putting time in to develop and enhance the players skills & development.
 
Shaheen's form was bad in tests that is why he was rested/dropped. Nothing to worry about here. Yep. conditions were favourable for pacers but playing shaheen every series is not necessary. Even Mir Hamza is not gettinga chance that much.
 
Agreed. Injuries to fast bowlers happen all the time across teams yet if you look at bowlers like Cummins/Bumrah/Wood etc.. they come back just as good if not better.

Pakistani bowlers, immediately see reduction in pace, effectiveness and are simply not the same. We've seen this happen way too often recently to consider it a coincidence. It's a pattern at this point from players like Junaid who should have had a long great career but immediately lost a lot of pace and effectiveness. Look at the bowlers like Hasan Ali used to be, got injured, lost pace and hasn't been the same since. Amir had a back fracture, lost pace and had to retire from Tests to prolong his career. Faheem is another one who used to bowl at fairly decent pace and looked like a decent pace allrounder in Tests, he also had some injuries, lost pace and has been rubbish since. It doesn't just extend to fast bowlers either, just look at what happened to Haris Sohail.

Now we've seen Shaheen/Naseem/Ihsanullah injured, lost pace and effectiveness. We can't keep blaming the players because it's not a one-off. It's a pattern that exists with PCB and its medical department. Calling it third class would be generous and I think there's simply a lack of professionalism and care by PCB for its players. We clearly saw Shaheen left on his own to deal with a serious injury and he was even paying the bills himself for it, which is so ridiculous. Because of the quantity of players in Pakistan, PCB disregards players who get injured and seem happy with finding the next guy mentality instead of preserving what you have. This extends to the development of players too, if they don't think you are not good enough, they will look for another guy instead of putting time in to develop and enhance the players skills & development.
Exactly! I see it the same way. It’s not just bowlers—you're right, it’s also players like Haris Sohail, Azhar Ali, and Fakhar Zaman. Even spinners like Saqlain Mushtaq in the past and more recently Shadab Khan have been sidelined due to injuries that other countries would have been able to address and rescue.

If there’s ONE thing Pakistan cricket could do to become a top-3 side, it’s improving injury rehabilitation to meet international standards. Just that one change. Even if all the other flaws—like domestic quality, selection issues, and nepotism—persist, this single improvement could make Pakistan a dominant force in world cricket.
 
He should be rested for home tests, not a tour of SA. I didn’t like the decision.

He was playing white ball too but resting from a test series? That’s absurd.
 
He should be rested for home tests, not a tour of SA. I didn’t like the decision.

He was playing white ball too but resting from a test series? That’s absurd.
It’s a ridiculous decision. Shaheen was looking in form and would have caused mayhem in these conditions
 
The purpose of workload management is to ensure that your bowlers are ready for ICC and SENA tours. Yet Pakistan’s 2 best pacers are either “resting” and another “not playing test cricket”.
 
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