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Is it time to forget Mohammad Amir, or does he still have something to offer Pakistan?

The pensioner David Wiese taking Amir to the cleaners and then Amir has the temerity to demand playing for Pakistan on his own terms.
 
Amir should retire as player and volunteer on assisting new talent for Pakistan. No point in stretching this wasteful career. should stop chasing money and regain some respect.
 
Amir can still be an asset, but first he must understand his role and standing in the team and put his heart into it. He should be won, but first step must come from Amir.
 
Iftikhar,Asif Ali, and Wiese have taken him apart. He fully deserves the humiliation for the way he thinks he is entitled to play for Pakistan. He thinks he can pick and choose his games after the humiliation he caused us in 2010. I know he is being left out for none cricketing reasons. But I'm glad he is being a taught a lesson on the pitch and off it.
 
Amir is enjoying life right now, getting paid $$$, playing whenever he wants to. He’s his own boss. And by next year he’ll be in the IPL draft. At the same time, his haters still can’t move on from the fact he took retirement. Amir was one step ahead. Whilst we’ll be stuck with the likes of Rauf, Hasnain (Sami v2), Musa (who gets picked for Pak but can’t get a game in PSL), and some other average players who get picked solely on speed and not skill.
 
Started quite well in this game, and in many games before. The question is, can he be, or should he be picked above Hasan Ali, Muhammad Hasnain, Wahab Riaz, Dhawani and any of the other bowlers who are in line with being picked (this is imagining that the core bowling unit will have Shaheen and possibly Faheem as all rounder).
 
Aamir's spell in the CT final was amazing, match winning.

But his fan boys go on like he single handily won that tournament for Pakistan.

Was he the MOTM in the final? nope
Was he best bowler in the tournament ? nope
Was he the man of the tournament? nope

It goes back to a couple of posts ago - he puts in effort when he feels like. When he does its brilliant but to do it when you feel like is a poor poor attitude.
Kinda glad he got smashed yesterday in the end ( albeit unlucky)
 
MK7Z said:
Aamir's spell in the CT final was amazing, match winning.

But his fan boys go on like he single handily won that tournament for Pakistan.

Was he the MOTM in the final? nope
Was he best bowler in the tournament ? nope
Was he the man of the tournament? nope

It goes back to a couple of posts ago - he puts in effort when he feels like. When he does its brilliant but to do it when you feel like is a poor poor attitude.
Kinda glad he got smashed yesterday in the end ( albeit unlucky)
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But he gets those big wickets.

In the last 2 tourneys he has dismissed Dhawan, Kohli, Hope, Finch, Dhoni, Faf, Guptill. His overall averages could be better but he does get those breakthroughs.
 
A player like Amir deserves this kind of treatment. Amir is probably the worst thing that happened to Pakistan cricket, he is unbelievably selfish.

1st he sold out his country for a few dollars & when Pakistan needed him most he decided to retire from test cricket to elongate his T20 career. Recalling him to international was a big mistake from PCB & this is the exact reason I'm against the inclusion of Sharjeel in the Pakistani team no matter how many centuries he scores in PSL & other leagues around the world.
 
Does Amir hold the British citizenship or even visa? How long before till he gets it?

If he gets one, he can play in the IPL like Azhar Mahmood did and rake in the dollars, much more than what he'd make playing for Pakistan. He probably wanted to make the most of his career in the IPL and so retired early. He won't be going for much money in the auctions if he's 36 as opposed to 30.
 
shamaan said:
Shaheen is three times the player amir is
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How many ICC trophies has Shaheen helped deliver for Pakistan compared to Amir?

Who did Virat Kohli and Steven Smith mention as being one of the toughest and most skilled bowlers they have faced?
 
Kroll said:
How many ICC trophies has Shaheen helped deliver for Pakistan compared to Amir?

Who did Virat Kohli and Steven Smith mention as being one of the toughest and most skilled bowlers they have faced?
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ask them again
 
Pakistan have a gem in shaeen afridi , needs to be looked after, swing, sheer pace, and control as well as height
 
Amir flew too close to the sun. Burned his wings and fell into the ocean.

The PCB then handed him a life vest and a new pair of wings.

And then Amir flew far away from them in return.
 
Kroll said:
How many ICC trophies has Shaheen helped deliver for Pakistan compared to Amir?

Who did Virat Kohli and Steven Smith mention as being one of the toughest and most skilled bowlers they have faced?
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I don’t understand this argument Amir fans continually put out of X player mentioning Amir as the toughest bowler they’ve faced. It doesn’t mean anything when your not getting them out.

Shaheen has only played in 1 ICC tournament so that’s a rather mute point.
 
street cricketer said:
Does Amir hold the British citizenship or even visa? How long before till he gets it?

If he gets one, he can play in the IPL like Azhar Mahmood did and rake in the dollars, much more than what he'd make playing for Pakistan. He probably wanted to make the most of his career in the IPL and so retired early. He won't be going for much money in the auctions if he's 36 as opposed to 30.
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You can take him now if you want. He chases money so will fit in just fine!
 
Stewie said:
You can take him now if you want. He chases money so will fit in just fine!
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I'm pretty sure he will feature in the IPL sometime down the line. Think the lure of the IPL was probably a huge factor in his early retirement, otherwise his reasons for retiring from international cricket sounded like a made up B S excuse.

Funnily enough, I was reading an article about his retirement yesterday and it was mentioned he would even be eligible to play for England in a few years like Jofra Archer. Imagine Amir with the three lions shirt charging in with the Duke ball with James Anderson and Jofra against Pakistan at the Lords:)))
 
street cricketer said:
Funnily enough, I was reading an article about his retirement yesterday and it was mentioned he would even be eligible to play for England in a few years like Jofra Archer. Imagine Amir with the three lions shirt charging in with the Duke ball with James Anderson and Jofra against Pakistan at the Lords:)))
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ECB has self respect, standards and strict character criteria. They dropped the likes of Pietersen and Alex Hales, two of their best batsmen at their peak and never looked back. *** is Amir? The likes of Nasar and Atherton might show some tolerance towards him because it's their job but let me assure you everyone else in the ECB set-up and the English media hate the likes of Amir.
 
Kroll said:
How many ICC trophies has Shaheen helped deliver for Pakistan compared to Amir?

Who did Virat Kohli and Steven Smith mention as being one of the toughest and most skilled bowlers they have faced?
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Ok, you cannotm have it both ways. irfan, Sreesanth, Ishant have won more trophies than Wasim and Waqaar. And unlike amir, they defended very low scores. Either admit all these bowlers are better than Wasim and Waqar or stop making this stupid point

particularly considering the fact that no team has chased 340+ in a major final, the cup was delivered by batsmen, even Zim bowlers can defend 340 in a major final. It has not been chased in 100s of years. Ishant shamra defended 129 in 21 overs against mighty England batsmen in CT final yet no one hypes him as some champion trophy winner but someone who defended a total like 340, never ever chased in major final, delivered a trophy?
 
Kroll said:
How many ICC trophies has Shaheen helped deliver for Pakistan compared to Amir?

Who did Virat Kohli and Steven Smith mention as being one of the toughest and most skilled bowlers they have faced?
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Let's just end this debate by saying that Amir is a traitor who sold his country for easy money & when he got his chance back he once again ditched his country to get easy money from T20 leagues.

It's better for sake of Pakistan cricket that we forget this traitor as soon as possible.
 
Firebat said:
Denly's stumps goes flying!

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What an over that was, more entertaining then the entire Eng v India series thus far
 
People can cry as much as they want, the reality is that a fit and motivated Amir is still the second best fast bowler in Pakistan after Shaheen.

He only has 3-4 years left in the tank and thanks to the current management, he is going to waste.

Retiring from Test cricket is not a crime. If his body cannot hold up to the rigors of the format so be it.

Just because PCB brought him back (for their own interests) it does not mean that he is a slave to them.

But maybe this management deserves tape ball bowlers like Rauf and talentless hacks like Naseem.
 
Mamoon said:
People can cry as much as they want, the reality is that a fit and motivated Amir is still the second best fast bowler in Pakistan after Shaheen.

He only has 3-4 years left in the tank and thanks to the current management, he is going to waste.

Retiring from Test cricket is not a crime. If his body cannot hold up to the rigors of the format so be it.

Just because PCB brought him back (for their own interests) it does not mean that he is a slave to them.

But maybe this management deserves tape ball bowlers like Rauf and talentless hacks like Naseem.
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Yes he miles ahead of other bowlers. Pakistan need him for the wt20.
 
I don't understand what is the crime if anyone retires from test cricket! Amir is still the first choice new ball bowler for Pakistan in ODIs and T20
 
street cricketer said:
Does Amir hold the British citizenship or even visa? How long before till he gets it?

If he gets one, he can play in the IPL like Azhar Mahmood did and rake in the dollars, much more than what he'd make playing for Pakistan. He probably wanted to make the most of his career in the IPL and so retired early. He won't be going for much money in the auctions if he's 36 as opposed to 30.
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Amir in IPL?
I wouldn't mind seeing him go through a quick burst of 2 overs.
 
shamaan said:
Defonitely agree with you
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I mean he had all that passion/jazba and then it soon fell apart when Weise smacked him about. He had 2 great overs and then couldn't close strong. I usually try not to be mean but Amir is a disgrace to cricket and we shouldn't be roped into investing in him, i don't care if we lose 1000 matches as long as we don't add him.
 
Mainul said:
Why it's a joke ? Who is better than him in current line up other than Shaheen Afridi in LOI?
Amir in 2019 played 9 ODIS averaged 21 with the ball with 17 wickets
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Ali is there
 
Kingpin786 said:
Hasan Ali
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He might not have the skills of an Amir or Shaheen per se but what a player, you gotta love his attitude and fighting spirit. I think Hasnain also has the attributes to become one of our leading bowlers.
 
Mainul said:
Why it's a joke ? Who is better than him in current line up other than Shaheen Afridi in LOI?
Amir in 2019 played 9 ODIS averaged 21 with the ball with 17 wickets
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(First choice) is not amir first choice is shaheen hands down. Then hassan ali who may not have the same skill level but he has the fighting spirit and attitude.also we cant forget his champions trophy performances.

Also good to see your mentioning his performance from the last 3 years !
 
So let's see if Amir goes back to FC/List A cricket with his free time, or fools around in some shady T10 league in the Middle East.
 
Amir doesn't have the consistency or pace left in him to compete at international levels anymore.

A bowling lineup of Shaheen, Hasan Ali, 3rd Seamer/Fast bowling Allrounder, Usman Qadir/Nawaz doesnt have space left for Amir unless Hasan Ali or Shaheen gets injured.

As a player Amir will be remembered for his exceptional spells that he produced in his career specially against Indian top order.
 
Varun said:
So let's see if Amir goes back to FC/List A cricket with his free time, or fools around in some shady T10 league in the Middle East.
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As long you have skill you can play ala Anderson. Problem with Amir is that at this stage of his career he should focus on his cricket. His habit of playing victim is costing him the support of his legit fans.
 
PakPassion.net: What are your thoughts about Mohammad Amir’s retirement and is he a player that you would be interested in selecting if he took back his retirement?

Mohammad Wasim: It’s very difficult to comment about a player who is not available for the national team. He is not available for selection at the moment, if he was available then I could answer your question. As he is not available, I think it would be unfair on the players who are available if I made a comment about Amir.


PakPassion.net: Would you like to see Mohammad Amir take back his retirement from international cricket?

Mohammad Wasim: My stance on this issue is very simple. Retirement is not an easy decision for a player - it’s not a trivial thing. Whoever makes this decision and whenever they make it, it takes a lot of effort, a lot of thought and a lot of people are involved in making the decision including a player’s family and close friends. When someone makes such a big decision, then everyone should respect that decision and not wonder about whether that player should take back his decision or not. At the moment Amir has made his decision and we have to respect it. If he hadn’t retired then it would be a different scenario, but at the moment I respect his decision.
 
LOL, Mohammad Wasim isn't interested in encouraging Amir in the slightest. People are just done with Amir now.
 
He got a lot of hate for bowling variations in his first 2 overs. They called him a trundler, and now they’ve been shown why bowling variations in T20’s is important.

He had control of his line and length.

If he wasn’t getting wickets then he’d be economical.

Now all we have is a pre programmed bowling machine that’s getting smashed by a South Africa B Team.

The haters have crawled back into the holes they came from, and they’ll come back out after the series against the MIGHTY ZIMBAAAABWEEEE
 
T20 Leagues have opened up doors for many cricketers who in the past may not have so easily given up on international cricket.

The interesting questions would be, would the likes of Mohammad Amir have given up playing for Pakistan if the T20 Leagues around the world weren't available?

Also would the likes of Mohammad Amir have put up with the team management if the T20 Leagues weren't there for him?
 
Mamoon said:
People can cry as much as they want, the reality is that a fit and motivated Amir is still the second best fast bowler in Pakistan after Shaheen.

He only has 3-4 years left in the tank and thanks to the current management, he is going to waste.

Retiring from Test cricket is not a crime. If his body cannot hold up to the rigors of the format so be it.

Just because PCB brought him back (for their own interests) it does not mean that he is a slave to them.

But maybe this management deserves tape ball bowlers like Rauf and talentless hacks like Naseem.
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One of the few times I agree with you wholeheartedly.
 
Well he's getting hit all around the park so far in Abu Dhabi at PSL 6.
 
Atleast Abbas is man enough and honest enough to request the keeper to stand up for him
 
Mohammad Amir so far in PSL 6:

Overs - 31.4
Wickets - 4
Average - 68.25
Economy - 8.62
 
The biggest match winner in Pakistan right now. Misbah and etc should swallow their pride and bring this man back into the team if they want Pakistan to have even an outside chance in WT20. The likes of Haris, Hasnain, Hassan always fail under pressure.
 
Caved12 said:
Obviously I am commenting right after this game is over. Tell me how did he save the game and then I will take you to my school.
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He conceded just 7 runs in 2nd last over. Bowled two dot balls to Rashid Khan in the last two balls.
 
SangasCoverDrive said:
He conceded just 7 runs in 2nd last over. Bowled two dot balls to Rashid Khan in the last two balls.
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Noor Ahmad saved the game and Amir just bowled an ok over when the asking rate was already too high and Rashid is not a proven batsman, so not a big deal that he bowled couple of dots to him.
 
Caved12 said:
Noor Ahmad saved the game and Amir just bowled an ok over when the asking rate was already too high and Rashid is not a proven batsman, so not a big deal that he bowled couple of dots to him.
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No it was not. Noor might have saved the game but it was put back on hold by the overs from Abbas and Ilyas. 27 off 12 is a cakewalk in T20 these days and Rashid is no mug with a bat. He scored 16 in last over against Islamabad and has smashed bowlers around the park in every league. It seems like you have not watched the match at all and just reading the scorecard.
 
SangasCoverDrive said:
No it was not. Noor might have saved the game but it was put back on hold by the overs from Abbas and Ilyas. 27 off 12 is a cakewalk in T20 these days and Rashid is no mug with a bat. He scored 16 in last over against Islamabad and has smashed bowlers around the park in every league. It seems like you have not watched the match at all and just reading the scorecard.
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Again with that silly comment that I did not watch the game. Try and pay attention to what I am telling you and try to learn something. That can;t be called a match saving over when the asking run rate was already too high no matter who was batting and Rashid no matter what he did in the other game, is just a tailender who can bat a bit and is trying to improve as a batsman these days. If that was case, how did he miss that last ball from Amir? Any good bastman would have hit that ball for six. That was a huge gamble by Amir and it only paid off because a tailender was batting. Did you watch the game?
 
He usually bowls well at death. It's not a new thing. We all know that. But one man can't be given preferential treatment over others. If one's heart isn't into playing international cricket, he shouldn't be convinced to.
 
Hes nothing special but such are the standards of our cricket these days that he is still the best fast bowler in Pakistan.
 
Amir is a very good bowler, but to say that he bowled a match saving over is completely wrong here. He got hit for a six on the second ball of that over and that last ball of that over, could have also gone for six. He only got away because Rashid was batting. Rashid was clueless today and was feeling the heat.
 
Amir does not believe in working hard and is purely relying on his talent. A bowler like Amir should have been top 5 in every format of this game, but what good is that talent when you don't work on your bowling
and your physique.
 
Caved12 said:
Amir is a very good bowler, but to say that he bowled a match saving over is completely wrong here. He got hit for a six on the second ball of that over and that last ball of that over, could have also gone for six. He only got away because Rashid was batting. Rashid was clueless today and was feeling the heat.
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You are proving in this post of yours how Amir saved the match for Karachi. Had Amir let the pressure get to him in that over and was taken to cleaners for 17 in that over getting 10 runs in the final over which was bowled by a inexperienced bowler would have been cake walk for them. Amir showed exactly why he is the king of big matches in this match. His over was no doubt vital for Karachi's victory.
 
Only takes a few dot balls to elevate someone to a match winner, that is how low our standards have fallen.

Amir is just a poor man's Mark Ealham with the ball. Doesn't take wickets, zero fire in his bowling, inconsistent economy rate, can't single handedly win matches, low on pace but still the boy wants respect
 
Savak said:
Only takes a few dot balls to elevate someone to a match winner, that is how low our standards have fallen.

Amir is just a poor man's Mark Ealham with the ball. Doesn't take wickets, zero fire in his bowling, inconsistent economy rate, can't single handedly win matches, low on pace but still the boy wants respect
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Exactly! And these fans are literally spitting on the faces of other bowlers who actually bowled well and saved this game for Karachi, and have zero understanding of how this game is played.
 
Shazzam said:
You are proving in this post of yours how Amir saved the match for Karachi. Had Amir let the pressure get to him in that over and was taken to cleaners for 17 in that over getting 10 runs in the final over which was bowled by a inexperienced bowler would have been cake walk for them. Amir showed exactly why he is the king of big matches in this match. His over was no doubt vital for Karachi's victory.
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lol, No I am not!!
 
Where was this match winning Amir when Iftikhar was sweeping him like a spinner?
 
Savak said:
Where was this match winning Amir when Iftikhar was sweeping him like a spinner?
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The last game was not exactly the big match or the elimination game for his team, so in his head, he was busy planning for the game today and this was some Einstein level of thinking and planning as he was trying to figure out how to be a match winner by simply bowling dots to a tailender ;)
 
Shazzam said:
You are proving in this post of yours how Amir saved the match for Karachi. Had Amir let the pressure get to him in that over and was taken to cleaners for 17 in that over getting 10 runs in the final over which was bowled by a inexperienced bowler would have been cake walk for them. Amir showed exactly why he is the king of big matches in this match. His over was no doubt vital for Karachi's victory.
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If 7 are down and the required rate is 14 an over, then it is not exactly a match winning over. just an ok over to a tailender who just came on to the crease and had not faced a ball until the last 2. Rashid looked clueless and had no idea how to win the game from there. To be fair to him, it would have been a difficult job even for a match winner like Dhoni. I am sure you are smart enough to figure out the rest.
 
He was, He is and He Will always be Pakistan 1st choice bowler in pressure situation.
He is an impact player.
 
The last thing Pakistan needs is Amir retiring. The current bowlers aren’t good enough, and everyone here knows it. Now that Amir isn’t in the team the haters are now saying “it’s a meaningless series”.
 
Amir gets serious hate on this forum.

Even when he wasn't picking up wickets, at least he was keeping it tight and not giving up 75 runs a game.
 
Nazir_ Rules said:
Amir gets serious hate on this forum.

Even when he wasn't picking up wickets, at least he was keeping it tight and not giving up 75 runs a game.
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He gave away 70 runs in the 2019 ODI WC game against England. People need to wake up, he is not the 2010 Amir and neither is he a great bowler.
 
Savak said:
He gave away 70 runs in the 2019 ODI WC game against England. People need to wake up, he is not the 2010 Amir and neither is he a great bowler.
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You might wanna have a look at the scorecard again, and compare his performance to some other superstars on that day.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...-vs-pakistan-6th-match-1144488/full-scorecard

No ones claiming him to be a great bowler, or what he was from 2010, yet he still walks straight into this team. Your current resources are just that bad.

No one apart from Hassan Ali recently has even shown a bit of backbone in bowling with some consistency and taking wickets. Sadly our fans seem to have just accepted mediocrity, and it shows.
 
Savak said:
He gave away 70 runs in the 2019 ODI WC game against England. People need to wake up, he is not the 2010 Amir and neither is he a great bowler.
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It was a motorway and a high scoring game, bowlers on both sides went for plenty. I was there live and Amir was among the better pacers overall, he turned the game around with the wicket of Butler. Ignoring that, folk must suffer from severe ignorance and delusional to assume he wouldn’t do any better then the bowling attack we have seen today, plus I wouldn’t get out of bed to watch them either, Amir has his flaws but he is still arguably Pak’s best bowler and certainly the most box office.
 
Savak said:
He gave away 70 runs in the 2019 ODI WC game against England. People need to wake up, he is not the 2010 Amir and neither is he a great bowler.
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In the same game: Jofra Archer - 0-79 (10)
Chris Woakes - 1-71 (8)
Hassan Ali - 0-66 (10)

Mohammad Amir - 2-67 (10)

You chose stats from a game where Amir had the best figures out of the Pakistan pace attack. 🤣
 
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YousafTheBeast said:
In the same game: Jofra Archer - 0-79 (10)
Chris Woakes - 1-71 (8)
Hassan Ali - 0-66 (10)

Mohammad Amir - 2-67 (10)

You chose stats from a game where Amir had the best figures out of the Pakistan pace attack. &#55358;&#56611;
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He still went for 67 runs and got 2 lucky wickets. This is a guy who only picked up one wicket in the PSL. Very high chance he would have been smashed as well.
 
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