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Is Mushfiqur Rahim comfortably better than all Pakistani batsmen except Babar Azam? (All formats)

Rana said:
Talk for yourself. Not a single valid proof that Mushfiq is a better T20 player than Malik besides pure hatred
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In Pakistan "Bolnay mai kiya harj hai" is a very normal thing - I wouldnt pay too much attention to it.
 
Mamoon said:
Did this match provide the proof that you were looking for? If yes, let me be happy for you.
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A week bowling attack? They would have only been slightly stronger if Shakib was playing...a spinner. How does he completely trump Malik with his bowling?
 
Rana said:
A week bowling attack? They would have only been slightly stronger if Shakib was playing...a spinner. How does he completely trump Malik with his bowling?
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Trump Malik with his bowling? Shakib is a far better spinner and batsman than Malik, and would walk into most teams purely for his bowling.

Mushfiq is also a better batsman. You can deny it all you want, but Shakib and Mushfiq would have won the match for Bangladesh on this pitch.

They would have scored 150+ which would have been defendable on this pitch in the presence of Shakib.

This so-called victory was more of a defeat in my opinion. We should have complete thrashed them without their two best players.
 
Mamoon said:
Trump Malik with his bowling? Shakib is a far better spinner and batsman than Malik, and would walk into most teams purely for his bowling.

Mushfiq is also a better batsman. You can deny it all you want, but Shakib and Mushfiq would have won the match for Bangladesh on this pitch.

They would have scored 150+ which would have been defendable on this pitch in the presence of Shakib.

This so-called victory was more of a defeat in my opinion. We should have complete thrashed them without their two best players.
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Stick to the topic. This is not a match thread.

What proof do you have Mushfiq is a better T20 batsman than Malik? Both bat in the middle order.
 
Rana said:
Stick to the topic. This is not a match thread.

What proof do you have Mushfiq is a better T20 batsman than Malik? Both bat in the middle order.
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Because he plays pace way better than him and is as good - if not better - against spin.
 
Mamoon said:
Trump Malik with his bowling? Shakib is a far better spinner and batsman than Malik, and would walk into most teams purely for his bowling.

Mushfiq is also a better batsman. You can deny it all you want, but Shakib and Mushfiq would have won the match for Bangladesh on this pitch.

They would have scored 150+ which would have been defendable on this pitch in the presence of Shakib.

This so-called victory was more of a defeat in my opinion. We should have complete thrashed them without their two best players.
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Trump Malik by getting him out with his bowling....Malik plays spinners like Sehwag plays fast bowlers. How would Shakib have made a significant difference with his spin against Malik?
 
Rana said:
And he has the record to back that up? All around the world?
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He scored two impressive half-centuries against India in India only two months back against the likes of Chahal, and he also scored a lot of runs in Sri Lanka last year. He plays spin very well and if he can score against India in India, he is likely to do much better against a vastly inferior team in Pakistan.
 
Mamoon said:
He scored two impressive half-centuries against India in India only two months back against the likes of Chahal, and he also scored a lot of runs in Sri Lanka last year. He plays spin very well and if he can score against India in India, he is likely to do much better against a vastly inferior team in Pakistan.
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Yes ok, how does this prove he is a better batsman in T20 than Malik?
 
Rana said:
Trump Malik by getting him out with his bowling....Malik plays spinners like Sehwag plays fast bowlers. How would Shakib have made a significant difference with his spin against Malik?
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Whether he would have gotten Malik out or not is not the point. The point is that his and Mushfiq’s absence would have helped Bangladesh to a competitive total which would have been very difficult for Pakistan to chase on such a surface.

Malik is good against spin but you are making him look like Tendulkar. If you think Malik is a brilliant player of spin, play him in a Test match on an Indian pitch against Ashwin and Jadeja and you will see.
 
Mamoon said:
Whether he would have gotten Malik out or not is not the point. The point is that his and Mushfiq’s absence would have helped Bangladesh to a competitive total which would have been very difficult for Pakistan to chase on such a surface.

Malik is good against spin but you are making him look like Tendulkar. If you think Malik is a brilliant player of spin, play him in a Test match on an Indian pitch against Ashwin and Jadeja and you will see.
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So your point is that Mushfiq survived and did well against Ashwin and Jadeja in a few Tests or some matches hence he is a better T20i batsman than Malik?
 
Rana said:
Yes ok, how does this prove he is a better batsman in T20 than Malik?
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It doesn’t. You either believe he is or you don’t, and you have already made up your mind. You exposed yourself when you bumped this thread in excitement even though Mushfiq did not play in this match. How was this match proof of Malik’s superiority when Mushfiq is not even playing?

I have watched both Malik and Mushfiq for a very, very long time now, and I have no hesitation in admitting that Mushfiq is a superior batsman regardless of the format. His T20I stats may not be very impressive, but they don’t always paint a true picture. You would back Mushfiq to outperform Malik against any opposition on any pitch in any format more often than not.

Mushfiq and Malik just played in the BPL and Mushfiq was clearly the better batsman. Same tournament, same opposition, same pitches, and Mushfiq outclassed Malik. That is all the prove anyone needs if he/she is interested in keeping an open mind.
 
Rana said:
So your point is that Mushfiq survived and did well against Ashwin and Jadeja in a few Tests or some matches hence he is a better T20i batsman than Malik?
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Mushfiq any day over Malik.

& Sarfraz too.

You're too delusional to think Malik is better.
 
Rana said:
So your point is that Mushfiq survived and did well against Ashwin and Jadeja in a few Tests or some matches hence he is a better T20i batsman than Malik?
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I am talking about their ability to play spin.

As far as T20s are concerned, check their respective performances in the recently concluded BPL. Mushfiq was comfortably better.

Now you will hide behind but “BPL is not International cricket”. Well yes, doesn’t take a genius to figure out. However, Malik did not underperform compared to Mushfiq because he wasn’t giving his 100%. He was outperformed because Mushfiq proved to be a better batsman in the same conditions against the same opposition against the same bowlers.

Next you will say that if that is so, then Babar is a better ODI batsman than Kohli because he had a better World Cup in the same conditions. Now before you bring that point, well, Malik is not Kohli and Kohli did not have an inferior World Cup to Babar. It is an apple-oranges comparison, and I hope you don’t go down that path for your sake.
 
I would take Mushfiqur over Malik in my limited overs team, if I had to. Malik over Rahim in tests in Asia. If you keep a gun on my head to select one of the two in tests outside Asia, I will pull the trigger for you.

Honestly, I dislike Mushfiqur for being an immature character but he is a player one needs to keep an eye on when playing against Bangladesh. Gritty and technically superior to Malik.
 
Mamoon said:
I am talking about their ability to play spin.

As far as T20s are concerned, check their respective performances in the recently concluded BPL. Mushfiq was comfortably better.

Now you will hide behind but “BPL is not International cricket”. Well yes, doesn’t take a genius to figure out. However, Malik did not underperform compared to Mushfiq because he wasn’t giving his 100%. He was outperformed because Mushfiq proved to be a better batsman in the same conditions against the same opposition against the same bowlers.

Next you will say that if that is so, then Babar is a better ODI batsman than Kohli because he had a better World Cup in the same conditions. Now before you bring that point, well, Malik is not Kohli and Kohli did not have an inferior World Cup to Babar. It is an apple-oranges comparison, and I hope you don’t go down that path for your sake.
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Stop thinking we’ll ahead of yourself pal. Signs of paranoia

It’s clear that this innings by Malik today has rattled your cage big time. It’s not even about on the day, it’s always about the pedigree in terms of the players quality and ability. Malik has proven to be superior all around the world and in international cricket definitely. A resounding 10 runs more per game in T20s as compared to Mushfiq. Malik is a T20 wc winner, runner up captain and has played semi finals for Pakistan in T20. And Mushfiq has achieved what? T20 started at the same time when both were playing cricket for their countries
 
Rahim is arguably the best player of spin in the world, but Shafiq and Haris are better overall batsmen than him.
 
Rana said:
Stop thinking we’ll ahead of yourself pal. Signs of paranoia

It’s clear that this innings by Malik today has rattled your cage big time. It’s not even about on the day, it’s always about the pedigree in terms of the players quality and ability. Malik has proven to be superior all around the world and in international cricket definitely. A resounding 10 runs more per game in T20s as compared to Mushfiq. Malik is a T20 wc winner, runner up captain and has played semi finals for Pakistan in T20. And Mushfiq has achieved what? T20 started at the same time when both were playing cricket for their countries
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Rattled my cage? Malik would score runs against weak attacks on slow pitches even in the 2030s.

Why are you going off-topic now? Yes Malik was once upon a time a better player than Mushfiq in all formats and he was part of a Pakistan team that was a genuinely world class in the T20 format between 2007 and 2010, but that has no relevance today.

Today, Mushfiq is a more refined batsman in all formats, has more pedigree and literally outclassed Malik in the BPL that finished a week ago.
 
I'm pretty convinced that once this Mushfiq saw that Malik was back, he pleaded not to go to Pakistan. He knew he was going to get a proper schooling from the master blaster Malik. :ua
 
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Mamoon said:
Rattled my cage? Malik would score runs against weak attacks on slow pitches even in the 2030s.

Why are you going off-topic now? Yes Malik was once upon a time a better player than Mushfiq in all formats and he was part of a Pakistan team that was a genuinely world class in the T20 format between 2007 and 2010, but that has no relevance today.

Today, Mushfiq is a more refined batsman in all formats, has more pedigree and literally outclassed Malik in the BPL that finished a week ago.
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Hahaha you are talking as if Mushfiq scored 100-200 runs more than Malik in the BPL instead of the 40 odd runs more that he scored. Which is good for you as it gives you sufficient proof that he is 'comfortably better' than all Pakistani batsmen besides Babar.

Experience and performance create pedigree. You argue as if the -10 run average has more pedigree than Malik's career achievements on the basis of what? Ive forwarded to you the accolades Malik has as a T20 player for Pakistan yet you cannot counter the argument with anything but a few innings against Jadeja and Ashwin, plus a bpl series where he scored 40 runs more
 
Rayyman said:
Rahim is arguably the best player of spin in the world, but Shafiq and Haris are better overall batsmen than him.
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It feels like we Pakistan fans live on another planet whereas the entire world has a totally different view to us
 
Ah man, I am so tempted to argue that Hafeez is a better T20i batsman than Mushfiq. But knowing the hate Hafeez gets on this forum the response I would receive would be like I have just committed blasphemy.
 
Rana said:
Ah man, I am so tempted to argue that Hafeez is a better T20i batsman than Mushfiq. But knowing the hate Hafeez gets on this forum the response I would receive would be like I have just committed blasphemy.
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Hafeez >>> Mushfiq.

Mushfiq >>> Malik

Basically:

Hafeez > Mushfiq > Sarfraz > Malik.
 
Hawkeye said:
Hafeez >>> Mushfiq.

Mushfiq >>> Malik

Basically:

Hafeez > Mushfiq > Sarfraz > Malik.
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Na I still think Malik is the 2nd best. He has been prolific and scores a decent knock every 2-3 games. Plus the average of 30 in internationals and 37 in T20s around the world. Mushfiq has no leg to stand on against him besides a recent BPL 40 runs more and some 50s against India.

So my order,

Babar
Daylight
Malik
Hafeez
- - - -
Mushfiq

When Umar Akmal returns after consulting a mental sports psychologist, he can squeeze in between Malik and Hafeez
 
Pakistan is no 1 T20 with likes of Hafeez,Malik and Babar. Bangladesh is no 9 with likes of Shakib, Rahim and Tamim.
 
Mushfiqur is being sorely missed in this Bangladesh T20I team.

Leadership, batting ability, organisation skills are all being missed.
 
So i guess if Mushfiq was playing this test, he would have scored a double hundred by now?

Said it before, saying it again, Mushfiq playing in the Bangla side means they will score 30 more runs in a test innings.

If anything he is a good ODI batsman, and that all!!!
 
gazza619 said:
So i guess if Mushfiq was playing this test, he would have scored a double hundred by now?

Said it before, saying it again, Mushfiq playing in the Bangla side means they will score 30 more runs in a test innings.

If anything he is a good ODI batsman, and that all!!!
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Mushfiq Bradman would have scored 300 and taken 8 stumpings with the left arm spinner operating
 
Mushfiq is a high class batsman who has a 127 against Ashwin and Jadeja in India. Yasir and other Pakistani bowlers are nothing in comparison.

However, we can pretend that he hasn’t been missed to feel good about our 6th ranked poster boys of mediocrity.

Our fans will be insufferable until we get whitewashed by England in the summer. It’s time for another reality-check because we forgot the previous one very quickly.
 
Mamoon said:
Mushfiq is a high class batsman who has a 127 against Ashwin and Jadeja in India. Yasir and other Pakistani bowlers are nothing in comparison.

However, we can pretend that he hasn’t been missed to feel good about our 6th ranked poster boys of mediocrity.

Our fans will be insufferable until we get whitewashed by England in the summer. It’s time for another reality-check because we forgot the previous one very quickly.
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Broken record. Spewing hate.

What’s England got to do with Mushfiq being better than all Pakistani batsmen?
 
Rana said:
Broken record. Spewing hate.

What’s England got to do with Mushfiq being better than all Pakistani batsmen?
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Spare yourself the hassle bro theres a ignore posts from a certain poster setting use it.
 
still unsure as to how someone can claim Mushfiq is a better test batsman than Asad Shafiq and Azhar Ali.
 
Rana said:
still unsure as to how someone can claim Mushfiq is a better test batsman than Asad Shafiq and Azhar Ali.
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He isn't.

Some people also highly rate Junaid Khan. Doesn't mean they're right.
 
Mushfiq is a non entity that's not even worth discussing. This guy stayed away under the pretext of security issues.

In reality he knew that Shahenshah was going to own him big time and ran away like a little girl.
 
Mushfiqur Rahim's 85 (106) carries BAN to a respectable 196/7 of 41.1 overs
 
He is bangladesh's best batsman.

This is probably the golden era of wicketkeeper batsman, Pant, Rizwan, DeKock, Mushfiq, Watling, Pooran, Dickwella all of them are proper batsman and way better than any wicketkeeper of the 80s and 90s as far as batting is concerned (except flower) .
 
He is on 96 off 111 balls.
Inching closer to his 8th ton in ODI
 
Mushfiqur Rahim 111 (119) with 7 fours.
Gets his 8th ODI ton
 
He came at a team when his team was in trouble. Has given Bangaldesh a solid chance to win the series.
 
Mushfiqur's overall stats are misleading. He debuted at the age of 16 when he was not ready for international cricket. However, since 2012, he has been average close to 50 in more in ODIs, Even in tests he has been among the best BD batsmen although not really been consistent enough, particularly due to keeping load. He has underachieved in T20Is though, only coming good in the last 3 years. However, his keeping just isn't quality enough.

Mushfiqur has scored runs overseas too and against big teams, even in World Cups. So overall, i have little doubt he is the best batsman in Bangladesh and better than anyone in the current Pakistan lineup with the exception of Babar who is just phenomenal. I wish more of our youngsters would emulate Mushfiqur Rahim but they simply emulate Mohammad Ashraful.
 
Fakhar Zaman has been a superior LOI batsman than anyone not named Virat Kohli, Rohit Sharma and Babar Azam among active Asian bats.
 
Mushfiqur is a handy batsman. BD need more players to stand up like him if they are to win any ICC Silverware.
 
Good player but I doubt he can replicate this performance in tests to help his side win, SL have just progressively lost touch and become a poor limited overs team since the departure of Jaywardene, Sanga, Dilshan and lately Malinga
 
He's quite ok. Only thing going against him is him being physically too dossile to make the big hits required in white ball cricket.
 
Executioner said:
Off late Rizwan has been an absolute beast without question. Rizwan definitely is a better T20 I bowler but dont think he is better in ODIs or Tests.
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LMAO are you serious? Rizwan has scored 90s in NZ and Australia in his first few tours over there. In ODIs, he scored two hundreds against Australia in a series, albeit against a weaker bowling line up but still.
 
Executioner said:
Off late Rizwan has been an absolute beast without question. Rizwan definitely is a better T20 I bowler but dont think he is better in ODIs or Tests.
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Rizwan is a good Test Batsman I’ll tell you that now. I don’t even like the guy but I can’t deny this.
 
I find Mushfiqur Rahim pretty immature and unlikeable but he has been brilliant since 2012. I remember he used to have stats like average of 29 with a SR of 68 around 2012. Since then, he has become quite consistent and has improved his SR a lot. Has improved in the test format as well. But his test performances might be a little skewed owing to having played majority of tests against Zim, WI and SL and at home. Not saying that other good batters don't have their stats skewed but Ban doesn't play against Eng,Aus,NZ,India,Pak,SA as much as other teams do and when they do, they usually play them at home.
 
Mushfiq was a late bloomer so he can only be compared to a late bloomer not strong starters like Imam, Haris and Fakhar. Closest semblance is Hafeez.
Although Mushfiqur has bloomed as a reliable Middle order batsman, Hafeez bloomed as a lower order accelerator. Again can't be compared.
Malik can be compared due to similar role and experience. Mushfiqur did better than Malik in ODIs and test cricket as a similar Middle order anchor role. Malik did better in T20 hands down.
 
Mushfiqur Rahim, player of the match in both ODIs, has moved up four places to a career-best 14th position after scoring 84 and 125. Mahmudullah has advanced two places to 38th position after his scores of 54 and 41.
 
Mushfiq is not better than Babar, Fakhar, and Rizwan. Mushfiq flops when it matters (big tournaments, away tours etc.).

He is a home track bully. He scores a lot of soft runs.

Tamim and Shakib are much more impactful players than him.
 
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Rana said:
He is not better than Hafeez in T20s either.
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Yeah. I forgot Hafeez. Hafeez is better than Mushfiq. Hafeez can bowl too.

Mushfiq is generally a bunny when he plays in away tours. He generally only does well in home games and also against Sri Lanka (LOL).

He has played quite a few match winning knocks against Sri Lanka.
 
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sweep_shot said:
Mushfiq is not better than Babar, Fakhar, and Rizwan. Mushfiq flops when it matters (big tournaments, away tours etc.).

He is a home track bully. He scores a lot of soft runs.

Tamim and Shakib are much more impactful players than him.
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Thats bit harsh on Mushy I recon. Still remember he played a brilliant knock against Pak in Asia cup 2018 which was a virtual semi final. He walked in when BD was 12/3 and he singlehandedly won the game for his side. He also played many good knocks under pressure against India.

Fakhar is cluch no doubt but care to remind when did Babar/Rizwan won his team any games that mattered?
 
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sweep_shot said:
Mushfiq is generally a bunny when he plays in away tours. He generally only does well in home games and also against Sri Lanka (LOL)..
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He scored a century vs Australia in wc 19, has a 150 odd vs nz in nz, century vs India in India (against ashwin, jaddu) and even against you guys in uae he has played match winning knocks. This is totally unfair, he is way ahead of Hafeez in odi and he is someone who actually performs the best when his team is under crisis.

As for impact, I don't think Babar has played half the impact innings Mushi has.
 
https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cricket/bangladeshs-mushfiqur-rahim-to-skip-zimbabwe-t20s/article34758761.ece

Bangladesh will be without Mushfiqur Rahim for the forthcoming Twenty20 series against Zimbabwe, an official said on Tuesday, after the star batsman asked to sit out the games.

Mushfiqur will still be available for the tour's Test and three one-day internationals.

"Mushfiq called me and said he would like to stay out of the T20 series against Zimbabwe," chief selector Minhajul Abedin told AFP, adding that the 34-year-old had asked for a rest.

"We will now forward it to the cricket operations department and they will make the final decision."

Local media quoted Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) officials saying Mushfiqur was tired of biosecurity measures brought in because of Covid-19.

Bangladesh will play a Test, three one-day internationals and three Twenty20 internationals in July, during its first tour to the southern African nation in more than eight years.

The series is expected to begin on July 7 with the one-off Test in Bulawayo, according to a draft schedule.

The Bangladesh team will leave for Zimbabwe on June 29, BCB officials said.

Mushfiqur is the side's most in-form batsman, having scored 237 runs in three one-day internationals against Sri Lanka at home in May.

He also missed the T20 series against New Zealand earlier this year, due to a frozen shoulder.
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He's progressed well the more he's played. Certainly better than hafeez malik akmal shehzad and many other failed investments from Pak
 
50 for Mushfiqur Rahim against Sri Lanka in their 1st Super 12 game.
 
Whatta player!

His stats don't show how good a player he is just bcoz he was drafted in the team when he was too young (after Khaled Mashud left).
If we filter his stats since 2015 that will show the exact picture of how good he is and to top it all he is a wicketkeeper too!
As of now he is a better batsman than Shakib and definitely a bigger impact player than the likes of Imam, Abid etc.
Fakhar is better though (in lois).
 
His innings looks to be the difference between the two sides at this stage, Bangladesh's score is about 20 runs above par.
 
Comfortably better than everyone in Pakistan except Babar













My foot
 
funny thread.

Bangladesh have been on steady decline after highs of 2015-18. Even WC2019 was a very disappointing campaign where Shakib alone was doing everything for the team. If it wasnt for him, the team would've ended up last in the league. I personally dont rate Mushfiq or Mahmadullah, just never strike confidence on big stages. Shakib is their only world class batsman.

My most fond memory of them was WT20 16 match against India. Only 2 runs were needed off 3 balls and both Mushfiq and Mahmadullah were caught in the deep and run out on the final ball (Dhoni classic). Another one of the many games when Bangladeshi batsmen just couldnt held their nerves at crunch time.
 
Mushfiqur Rahim is just going through a bad patch. He is definitely a good player.

I hate this tradition of bumping a thread here in PP when a player does bad momentarily .
 
Mainul said:
Mushfiqur Rahim is just going through a bad patch. He is definitely a good player.

I hate this tradition of bumping a thread here in PP when a player does bad momentarily .
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But the thread is also bumped when the player does well momentarily as well…
 
Rana said:
But the thread is also bumped when the player does well momentarily as well…
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I don't support either .
I won't jump into praisal until a player has passed sufficient time with consistent performances. Mushfiqur has done that .
I am not sure about Asif Ali yet.
 
farazaidi said:
funny thread.

Bangladesh have been on steady decline after highs of 2015-18. Even WC2019 was a very disappointing campaign where Shakib alone was doing everything for the team. If it wasnt for him, the team would've ended up last in the league. I personally dont rate Mushfiq or Mahmadullah, just never strike confidence on big stages. Shakib is their only world class batsman.

My most fond memory of them was WT20 16 match against India. Only 2 runs were needed off 3 balls and both Mushfiq and Mahmadullah were caught in the deep and run out on the final ball (Dhoni classic). Another one of the many games when Bangladeshi batsmen just couldnt held their nerves at crunch time.
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i agree with you. Shakib is their only world class player. i think mushfiqur has been a decent player, but ultimately not great. And im not sure why mahmadullah is even in the conversation. he seems to be a nothing player who has benefitted from being in bangla setup far too long than he deserves.
 
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